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>> david pecker? >> yeah. >> i felt there were some partings of what he was saying were credible, but he was definitely more inclined to help the former president. >> definitely sounded pro trump throughout his entire thing. >> what was it he said or what was it about his demeanor, hope, that made you think he wanted to help donald trump? >> throughout his entire interview basically, he was talking a lot about, oh, yes, they were, we were referring to the boss, mr. trump. and lots of pro trump language throughout his entire argument. and social studies class, we learn a lot about bias and bias in the media and bias in all different sorts of stories. so it was very interesting to hear how someone actually in court was showing the same bias that we've seen in the media sometimes. >> testimony, also -- >> go ahead, owen. sorry. >> okay. his testimony also reflected how crucial this whole case michael cohen is and will be when he takes the stand in a few weeks. >> i have to ask you both very quickly, what
>> david pecker? >> yeah. >> i felt there were some partings of what he was saying were credible, but he was definitely more inclined to help the former president. >> definitely sounded pro trump throughout his entire thing. >> what was it he said or what was it about his demeanor, hope, that made you think he wanted to help donald trump? >> throughout his entire interview basically, he was talking a lot about, oh, yes, they were, we were referring to the...
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that's what pecker says. he said then a prosecutor had pecker confirm that the positive stories about trump were of mutual benefit? but stopping stories from being printed about trump, catching and killing stories that would have sold on the newsstand, but he killed them like karen mcdougal only benefitted the campaign and did not benefit the national enquirer. explain why that clarification was necessary because who the winner out of all this, when we look at the intent and what the purpose and goal is, you have to see, well, why are we doing this? and that's a big question. the jury's going to ask and you're going to get some of that direct evidence. but it also doesn't take a leap of faith to say, well, michael cohen's not benefiting. what is he necessarily getting directly david pecker now clears up that other piece. we're not getting in any extra money. we're not getting extra oversight. a. pardon me, more publicity for our articles. hr actually losing that publicity. so who is the person who's winning h
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pecker's testimony resumes thursday. trump today complaining he's stuck in court while president biden is out on the campaign trail. >> they're keeping me in a courtroom, that's freezing, by the way, he's out campaigning and i'm here in a courtroom sitting here, sitting up as straight as i can all day long, because you know what, it's a very unfair situation. >> reporter: before today's testimony, prosecutors accused trump of repeatedly violating the judge's gag order, attacking witnesses, even potential jurors. defense attorneys insisted trump is complying, but the judge interjected, you're losing credibility. there was no immediate ruling from the judge, but david, prosecutors said it's almost as if trump is trying to force the judge to throw him in jail, and tonight, sources told abc news the secret service is actually
pecker's testimony resumes thursday. trump today complaining he's stuck in court while president biden is out on the campaign trail. >> they're keeping me in a courtroom, that's freezing, by the way, he's out campaigning and i'm here in a courtroom sitting here, sitting up as straight as i can all day long, because you know what, it's a very unfair situation. >> reporter: before today's testimony, prosecutors accused trump of repeatedly violating the judge's gag order, attacking...
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pecker is going to be talked to. they're going to say, you know, you're just supporting the candidate you wanted. that's what magazines do, right? >> kaitlan, how do you think it did on this? i'm not sure that's what all magazines do not way if people would like to have a word, but i think it's watching all of play out. it's fascinating to see david pecker sitting there in testify in this way, and they're laying the groundwork to get to something bigger obviously, with all of this and with his relationship with trump. but he met marlow. he met trump visited mar-a-lago, met him in the 80s, worked with them in the 90s, worked with him when the apprentice became a show, trump would send him apprentice ratings and they would publish them in the national enquirer. and david pecker was kinda saying it was this mutually beneficial relationship between the two of them, this two-way street. and then you he was helping promote trump. and then when he got closer to the election, he was helping bury negative stories which he had
pecker is going to be talked to. they're going to say, you know, you're just supporting the candidate you wanted. that's what magazines do, right? >> kaitlan, how do you think it did on this? i'm not sure that's what all magazines do not way if people would like to have a word, but i think it's watching all of play out. it's fascinating to see david pecker sitting there in testify in this way, and they're laying the groundwork to get to something bigger obviously, with all of this and...
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pecker. and when he says, for instance, that trump was detail oriented or micromanager, how would he know that? he would know that because they have spent so much time together. he would know that because they have discussed business together. so, you're laying the foundation in many ways, and, by the way, you're not just doing it through mr. pecker. he's, you know, witness number one on days number one and two. they're going to be many more witnesses, and they're going -- the prosecutors are going to ask all the witnesses how do you know the things that you say you know? what is the basis for it. all of that foundational testimony tells the jury in essence, you can trust the government's case. >> so, catherine, the prosecution has been drilling down on alleged conspiracy. hatch, between these three guys that now infamous trump tower meeting, and, vaughn talked about this, as part of that, they allege pecker agreed to be the eyes and ears of the campaign. the eyes and ears. publish flattering
pecker. and when he says, for instance, that trump was detail oriented or micromanager, how would he know that? he would know that because they have spent so much time together. he would know that because they have discussed business together. so, you're laying the foundation in many ways, and, by the way, you're not just doing it through mr. pecker. he's, you know, witness number one on days number one and two. they're going to be many more witnesses, and they're going -- the prosecutors are...
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pecker, that one point, mr. trump said in addition to the campaign millennials need to hear about this. it's only need is for that m&ms. yes, he was concerned about melannie. he was concerned about baron because it's gotta be that the expenditure is 100% for him to become president of the united states. i'm sorry, that's wrong. that's just not the law. it does not have to be 100%. i see jeffries agreeing with me. it does not have to be 100% campaign related. those campaigns should be both. >> i wanted to predict the campaign, but also i was worried about my wife. yes. >> the campaign has to be a substantial factor, does not but three, 100% and nobody would ever be able to prove that my view of david pecker today as he was a rock solid start for the prosecutors. you're not going to win your case that the first witness, it's a mistake to try to do that. i agree that if the case ended right now, we'd have no crime made out. >> so he's sort of setting the table exactly what i think he did. >> that was really the int
pecker, that one point, mr. trump said in addition to the campaign millennials need to hear about this. it's only need is for that m&ms. yes, he was concerned about melannie. he was concerned about baron because it's gotta be that the expenditure is 100% for him to become president of the united states. i'm sorry, that's wrong. that's just not the law. it does not have to be 100%. i see jeffries agreeing with me. it does not have to be 100% campaign related. those campaigns should be both....
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david pecker is a narrator for this case. and he's laying out the scheme, the multiple times that they killed any bad evidence against donald trump, and that they promoted bad evidence against his opponents. so you have this, you know, like you're building a house and now you have the framework. then you get to michael cohen, and it's already been built up, so he sounds sensible and okay. and then you have the documents. and you can't rebut the documents. donald trump signed those checks. you have the tape recordings. donald trump said, oh, yeah, i know, let's just use cash. no, no, no. so i think the defense really has its work cut out for it. one of the senior people on the watergate case, one said, you know, there are some cases that no one can win. there are some cases where you have to pound the table with the facts because you have the facts. some where you have the law, you emphasize the law, and some where you don't have anything. and even clarence darryl couldn't win the case. so i don't think blanch is clarence daro
david pecker is a narrator for this case. and he's laying out the scheme, the multiple times that they killed any bad evidence against donald trump, and that they promoted bad evidence against his opponents. so you have this, you know, like you're building a house and now you have the framework. then you get to michael cohen, and it's already been built up, so he sounds sensible and okay. and then you have the documents. and you can't rebut the documents. donald trump signed those checks. you...
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with more testimony from david pecker. joining us now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, mia wylie, former civil attorney in new york, and hugo, covering washington and all things donald trump. joyce, i want to start with you. we've talked often about trying cases. when you have your case in chief, that primacy is how you do this. you start and end strong when it comes to the presentation of your witnesses. was it smart for the prosecution to start with david pecker thus far? >> well, it was smart, katie, and i am reminded that it was you who first said that you thought david pecker would be a great kickoff witness. i think that's the case, right? this is someone who doesn't have the baggage of a michael cohen, and who tells the origin story. he has now walked us through the election interference conspiracy. this is now patch and kill to elect trump. that's the case that the prosecution will put on. they've done a great job of giving the jury sort of the basics, the land marks and the road map that they'll move ahead on
with more testimony from david pecker. joining us now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, mia wylie, former civil attorney in new york, and hugo, covering washington and all things donald trump. joyce, i want to start with you. we've talked often about trying cases. when you have your case in chief, that primacy is how you do this. you start and end strong when it comes to the presentation of your witnesses. was it smart for the prosecution to start with david pecker thus far? >> well,...
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pecker, increase. how often were you in touch with michael cohen after trump announced his candidacy? pecker, maybe daily. one of the most interesting things that happens today with pecker is what's been public facing trump, cohen, stormy, macdougal. what happened today was trump, pecker, and everybody else. i mean, the chart of the hush money election interference, corporate criminal enterprise totally changed. >> and you really see the impact of pecker and the "national enquirer" and how it plays into kind of the center hub of media, politics, consumerism, and the fact that he's -- obviously, there's legal decisions, but it's a shame. because there was a real, real -- he was -- he was more of a fiction than michael cohen in certain ways. >> and more influential. what dawned on me, i wondered from the outside, pomeranz's book, you wonder what bragg did with the time between the first team that looks at the facts and the charging of trump. clearly what they did, with 22 meetings with michael cohen, the
pecker, increase. how often were you in touch with michael cohen after trump announced his candidacy? pecker, maybe daily. one of the most interesting things that happens today with pecker is what's been public facing trump, cohen, stormy, macdougal. what happened today was trump, pecker, and everybody else. i mean, the chart of the hush money election interference, corporate criminal enterprise totally changed. >> and you really see the impact of pecker and the "national...
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. >> david pecker. the first witness in the new york case. >> all right, good morning, everybody. welcome to "morning joe." it's wednesday, april 24th. along with willie and me we have a member of the "the new york times" editorial board maya and sam stein. our top story has to do with pecker. >> i think you're enjoying saying his name. testimony in donald trump's hush money criminal trial is scheduled to resume tomorrow after several key developments in court yesterday. first, the judge held a hearing at the start of tuesday's proceedings on whether the former president had violated his gag order. prosecutors have asked the judge to fine him $1,000 for each violation. trump's attorney said he hasn't violated the order. he was, quote, being careful about complying with the order. but the judge expressed extreme frustration with that argument, telling his attorney saying, quote, losing all credibility with the court. any violation of the gag order in articles he repost to social media is unintentional. >
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pecker's testimony resumes thursday. trump today complaining he's stuck in court, while president biden is out on the campaign trail. >> they're keeping me in a courtroom that's freezing, by the way. he's out campaigning, and i'm here in a courtroom, sitting here, giving -- sitting up as straight as i can all day long, because, you know what? it's a very unfair situation. >> reporter: before today's testimony, prosecutors accused trump of repeatedly violating the judge's gag order, attacking witnesses, even potential jurors. and they said it's posing a very real threat to the trial. the defense insisted trump is complying but the judge interjected "you're losing credibi credibility." no immediate ruling from the judge but prosecutors said, david, it's almost as if trump is daring the judge to hold him in contempt and throw him in jail. and tonight, sources tell abc news the secret service is preparing for that possibility. david? >> david: aaron katersky leading us off here tonight. aaron, thank you. >>> we turn now to t
pecker's testimony resumes thursday. trump today complaining he's stuck in court, while president biden is out on the campaign trail. >> they're keeping me in a courtroom that's freezing, by the way. he's out campaigning, and i'm here in a courtroom, sitting here, giving -- sitting up as straight as i can all day long, because, you know what? it's a very unfair situation. >> reporter: before today's testimony, prosecutors accused trump of repeatedly violating the judge's gag order,...
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pecker responds yes. for the first time in the public record, we're getting david pecker corroborating what michael cohen for years has now articulated about that meeting. to note, hope hicks could well be a witness. pecker has testified hope hicks was in and out of this meeting. so we could very well get more corroborating testimony as it pertains to that exact meeting in trump tower in august of 2015. >> so chuck, is this the beginning of trying to build up the credibility of michael cohen? who was obviously a flawed witness. a convicted admitted perjurer. >> building up mr. cohen's credibility, andrea, might be a long walk through dry sand. he's a criminal and a liar, but that doesn't mean he's not telling the truth here at trial. so what you're really trying to do is corroborate him. and by the way, i have said this before, in many years as a prosecutor, i wish all of my witnesses were nuns and librarians but they're not the ones who are around when crimes are committed. this may sound trite and it ma
pecker responds yes. for the first time in the public record, we're getting david pecker corroborating what michael cohen for years has now articulated about that meeting. to note, hope hicks could well be a witness. pecker has testified hope hicks was in and out of this meeting. so we could very well get more corroborating testimony as it pertains to that exact meeting in trump tower in august of 2015. >> so chuck, is this the beginning of trying to build up the credibility of michael...
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trump, what do you think of david pecker? >> reporter: pecker describing a meeting at trump tower in 2015 with mr. trump and his former fixer michael cohen, where pecker says he agreed to serve as the eyes and ears for rumors that could hurt mr. trump, adding, "what i would do is publish positive stories about trump and publish negative stories about his opponents." the prosecution then showing the jury a series of glowing headlines about then candidate trump and derogatory ones making baseless claims about mr. trump's republican opponents, including ted cruz. pecker admitting today the enquirer made up a story about cruz's father and the man who assassinated jfk. also testifying his company paid a doorman $30,000 for a completely untrue story about mr. trump fathering a child with his housekeeper so the doorman couldn't take the story elsewhere, trying to save mr. trump and the campaign the potential embarrassment. the day began with the judge taking the defense team to task over mr. trump's posts on social media targeting c
trump, what do you think of david pecker? >> reporter: pecker describing a meeting at trump tower in 2015 with mr. trump and his former fixer michael cohen, where pecker says he agreed to serve as the eyes and ears for rumors that could hurt mr. trump, adding, "what i would do is publish positive stories about trump and publish negative stories about his opponents." the prosecution then showing the jury a series of glowing headlines about then candidate trump and derogatory ones...
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and just once that pecker talks about that pecker talks about for a campaign, why this issue of women could be important. steinglass asked, can you explain to the jury how the topic of women in particular came up pecker says well, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a number, a lot of women come out to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known and the most eligible bachelor and date of the most beautiful women. and it was clear based on my past experience that when someone is running for public office like this, it is very common for these women to call it the magazine like the national enquirer and try to sell them their stories and this was before this was before the access hollywood tape. >> so the actual, the importance of the access hollywood tape in this is that it sort of the the drumbeat got much louder about indiscretions, changed everything. because remember is stormy daniels was shopping around her story and was essentially offering to sell it and they argued that the price was too high and said no, that they weren't int
and just once that pecker talks about that pecker talks about for a campaign, why this issue of women could be important. steinglass asked, can you explain to the jury how the topic of women in particular came up pecker says well, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a number, a lot of women come out to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known and the most eligible bachelor and date of the most beautiful women. and it was clear based on my...
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and just once that pecker talks about that, pecker talks about for a campaign, why this issue of women could be important. steinglass asked, can you explain to the jury how the topic of women in particular came up pecker says well, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a number, a lot of women come out to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known and the most eligible bachelor and date of the most beautiful women. and it was clear based on my past experience that when someone is running for public office like this, it is very common for these women to call up a magazine like the national enquirer and try to tell their stories and this was before this was before the access hollywood tape. >> so the actual, the importance of the access hollywood tape in this is that it sort of the the drumbeat got much louder about indiscretions, changed everything. because remember stormy daniels was shopping around her story and was essentially offering to sell it. >> and they argued that the price was too high and said no, that they weren't intereste
and just once that pecker talks about that, pecker talks about for a campaign, why this issue of women could be important. steinglass asked, can you explain to the jury how the topic of women in particular came up pecker says well, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a number, a lot of women come out to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known and the most eligible bachelor and date of the most beautiful women. and it was clear based on my...
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pecker testified the plan was concocted at trump tower in 2015. trump and former fixer michael cohen allegedly asked him how he could help the campaign. he told them, i would be your eyes and ears, explaining the practice of catch and kill. the inquirer would buy the rights to any damaging story about trump and never publish i. prosecutors say that plan was the origin of 's $130,000 payment to former adult film star stormy daniels to keep her quiet about an alleged sexual encounter with trump, who denies it all. one example of catch and kill discussed in court today in bold a trump building doorman who was selling what turned out to be a fake story about trump fathering a son. pecker told the jury today he bought the story because of the potential embarrassment it would have to the campaign and mr. trump. >> david pecker is a very strong witness for the prosecution. he seems very solid on the stand. he certainly seems like he doesn't have any ax to grind with donald trump and seems almost apologetic for having to tell this story. >> reporter: on t
pecker testified the plan was concocted at trump tower in 2015. trump and former fixer michael cohen allegedly asked him how he could help the campaign. he told them, i would be your eyes and ears, explaining the practice of catch and kill. the inquirer would buy the rights to any damaging story about trump and never publish i. prosecutors say that plan was the origin of 's $130,000 payment to former adult film star stormy daniels to keep her quiet about an alleged sexual encounter with trump,...
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was paying trump money, and it shows trump trusts pecker, so when trump goes to pecker, and this testimony will come out, about covering up various sorted issues that he thinks will interfere with the election, pecker is somebody he could count on. we will see what will develop in the testimony. i cannot imagine it will end today and will probably go on until tomorrow. >> what about this whole gag order and the issues that have been brought up to the court this morning, the judge apparently has not ruled on that, but how do you see that? >> it's interesting, josÉ. every judge that i have spoken to has said they would not lock trump up. judges are very reluctant to do that, but he will reach a point where if trump continues to violate the gag order and it certainly appears he did violate the gag order, he will have to do something. as chuck rosenberg said earlier, sequestering the jury is a difficult thing because it's harmful to a juror. sometimes it facilitates a quicker verdict because the jurors just want to go home. so marchand will have to do something, and it's something he could tr
was paying trump money, and it shows trump trusts pecker, so when trump goes to pecker, and this testimony will come out, about covering up various sorted issues that he thinks will interfere with the election, pecker is somebody he could count on. we will see what will develop in the testimony. i cannot imagine it will end today and will probably go on until tomorrow. >> what about this whole gag order and the issues that have been brought up to the court this morning, the judge...
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pecker responded on no. so how does that help bolster the case that this was potentially criminal interference in the presidential election. >> yeah. was that the timing of that? particular meeting helps do it because there'll be right around the time we would expect that trump would be contemplating his run gearing up for the run, worried about potential negative press and i completely agree with kaitlan here. this is the start of a story that it's really going to be extending throughout this trial. it's not actually the crux of the criminal case. the crux of the criminal case concerns how and why stormy daniels was paid through michael cohen. that's gonna be the main event for the jurors. with this is all crucial context with the jury's to understand all of everything that leads as three microbreweries with us as well. a former us attorney, michael, let's talk a little bit about pecker's testimony. he said trump was quote, frugal in his approach to money. frugal, a direct quote personally reviewing all exp
pecker responded on no. so how does that help bolster the case that this was potentially criminal interference in the presidential election. >> yeah. was that the timing of that? particular meeting helps do it because there'll be right around the time we would expect that trump would be contemplating his run gearing up for the run, worried about potential negative press and i completely agree with kaitlan here. this is the start of a story that it's really going to be extending throughout...
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we're talking about david pecker. amanda has been friends with donald trump's since the 80s, sitting right across from him in a witness. dan, just feet away from the former president as he stares him down, giving these dirty details about this catch and kill scheme in full detail. that is what we are expecting more for up tomorrow. and that all started of course, as we've learned from the testimony in august 2015, when they made that deal between trump, michael cohen and david pecker about being the eyes and the ears of a campaign and how they were going to find the stories that were negative about trump are salacious about trump bury them and promote stories that were positive ahead of that, campaign. they went into detail about that trump tower doorman who had a story about a woman who claimed that she fathered a child or he fathered a child of hers, and then before court wrapped up and david pecker was done for the day they got into the details about another playboy playmate, karen mcdougal, who of course alleged o
we're talking about david pecker. amanda has been friends with donald trump's since the 80s, sitting right across from him in a witness. dan, just feet away from the former president as he stares him down, giving these dirty details about this catch and kill scheme in full detail. that is what we are expecting more for up tomorrow. and that all started of course, as we've learned from the testimony in august 2015, when they made that deal between trump, michael cohen and david pecker about...
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pecker. that's the jury like? what's donald trump like in that room? >> well, i would say everybody is really attentive today, which hasn't always as you know been the case. donald trump's attention kind of fluctuates. he has come in on days and been extraordinarily bored. but when the subject is donald trump and donald trump directly, he stands at attention and he was very curious to hear how david pecker would describe his relationship. i would say his expression for the most part was fairly even. he was neither snarling at pecker as he sometimes does when he heads down the aisle and exits the courtroom and sees the press assembled, but he wasn't exactly friendly. my best recollection of the interaction was when pecker came into the courtroom yesterday and donald trump was almost like leaning around the table so he could get as close a look at david pecker's face as he could. it was as if he were daring pecker, you knew me for decades. make eye contact with me now. and pecker didn't seem to
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>> of david pecker? >> yeah. >> i think they're going to do everything they can to showhe hs a liar, what he's saying is not only ill-informed but he's doing it because he got a non pros cushion agreement. theno u.s. attorney's office ha forced a his hand, forced him there today, and he's trying to cover his bases by lying. poke holes in the case one witness at a time, and that's what they're going to be doing with david pecker probably starting tomorrow or the day after. >> well, we shall see. listen, we may know this story quite nowell, at least the broa contours of atit, but when it comes down to the actual trial, there is so much to dig into. thank you so much for your time tonight. duncan, i think we have lassoed you inav for one more block, so please stay right there. coming up at long last congress votes to send aid toon ukraine. but don't ask anyone in the republican party if this means the debate is settled. and coming up as we await judge merchan's ruling on the gag order prosecutors are sugges
>> of david pecker? >> yeah. >> i think they're going to do everything they can to showhe hs a liar, what he's saying is not only ill-informed but he's doing it because he got a non pros cushion agreement. theno u.s. attorney's office ha forced a his hand, forced him there today, and he's trying to cover his bases by lying. poke holes in the case one witness at a time, and that's what they're going to be doing with david pecker probably starting tomorrow or the day after....
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david pecker will be back. he spoke for about 30 minutes or so in testimony yesterday after those opening statements. anything that stuck out to you and just how important is he to this case? >> david pecker may in fact be the people's star witness and not michael cohen. david pecker may ultimately be a better witness for a few different reasons. number one, he has some baggage, but he doesn't have the baggage of a michael cohen. number two, he's going to lay the foundation of this pre-existing relationship and this catch and kill arrangement. and that's going to match up to a lot of documents that the state is going to introduce. number three, he was a friend of donald trump's. so his testimony may be more credible for that reason. he may be testifying about something we're not anticipating, and it might be about a direct conversation with donald trump, because, remember, that there were these entries in business records can be shown from the records with the state, with the people need to show is donald trump
david pecker will be back. he spoke for about 30 minutes or so in testimony yesterday after those opening statements. anything that stuck out to you and just how important is he to this case? >> david pecker may in fact be the people's star witness and not michael cohen. david pecker may ultimately be a better witness for a few different reasons. number one, he has some baggage, but he doesn't have the baggage of a michael cohen. number two, he's going to lay the foundation of this...
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this idea of friends of pecker, fops, a friend of pecker, so trump gets a free ride. it is nothing to do with journalism. in fact, david pecker is revealing himself not to be a news man. he's an advertiser, a marketering, and his product was donald trump. >> when he gave him something about an estimate of $3 million a month of free advertising. he created a magazine that was a quarterly magazine that's literally just about donald trump. he was talking about it in these weird reverential terms. he was asked what can you do to help the campaign? he's oh, i know what i can do. we're going to find all these negative stories. >> your, quote, eyes and ears. and michael cohen was the go between. to your point, this is setting up the cohen testimony. >> how is that a crime? that's what the prosecutor has to prove. catch and kill is unseemly, gross, but it's not illegal. >> that's why the new york statute that was previewed previously in the motions that were dealt with prior to this case surviving the motions to dismiss, because you know, this is important. trials don't just
this idea of friends of pecker, fops, a friend of pecker, so trump gets a free ride. it is nothing to do with journalism. in fact, david pecker is revealing himself not to be a news man. he's an advertiser, a marketering, and his product was donald trump. >> when he gave him something about an estimate of $3 million a month of free advertising. he created a magazine that was a quarterly magazine that's literally just about donald trump. he was talking about it in these weird reverential...
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so you were pecker's communications chief at ami, right? so you worked with them, you saw him, you know how all of this worked in intimate detail? so pass her testified today, he told trump he'd be as eyes and ears during the campaign. so as you're seeing the transcript of exactly what he said today, what stood out to you as you heard pecker describe the way catch and kill worked, which was pretty amazing. >> so until now, it's only been speculated how it really worked. >> but clear really outlined it under oath today, how it will play it out and the benefit to him. obviously, it was incurring goodwill with trump and having that access to him and vice-versa burring bad stories about trump highlighting his good stuff and bearing his enemies. so it was like a mutual in their minds, a win-win, i can help you. you helped me and that's pretty much how pecker operated all along. then why the inquirer has the reputation that it has. >> so stay seat to this. i know there was a key testimony for you about how trump to this agreement, this catch and
so you were pecker's communications chief at ami, right? so you worked with them, you saw him, you know how all of this worked in intimate detail? so pass her testified today, he told trump he'd be as eyes and ears during the campaign. so as you're seeing the transcript of exactly what he said today, what stood out to you as you heard pecker describe the way catch and kill worked, which was pretty amazing. >> so until now, it's only been speculated how it really worked. >> but clear...
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then prosecutors calling the first witness, david pecker, to the stand. the former publisher of the national inquirer, who was part of a scheme prosecutors say called catch and kill. abc's senior investigative correspondent aaron katersky leading us off from the courthouse again tonight. >> reporter: donald trump walking into the manhattan courtroom where today for the first time in history a jury heard testimony in a criminal case against a former american president. >> it's a very, very sad day in america. i can tell you that. >> reporter: with trump slouching in his seat and sometimes closing his eyes, prosecutor matthew colangelo began his opening statement charging trump "orchestrated a criminal scheme to corrupt the 2016 presidential election." taking notes, as the prosecutor laid out his case, accusing trump of falsifying business records to disguise a $130,000 hush payment to porn star stormy daniels days before the election, so voters wouldn't find out about her claim of an affair. at the time, trump was under pressure. news had just broken of th
then prosecutors calling the first witness, david pecker, to the stand. the former publisher of the national inquirer, who was part of a scheme prosecutors say called catch and kill. abc's senior investigative correspondent aaron katersky leading us off from the courthouse again tonight. >> reporter: donald trump walking into the manhattan courtroom where today for the first time in history a jury heard testimony in a criminal case against a former american president. >> it's a...
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and pecker gibbs prosecutors, what they want. he's going to testify hi to that. >> we also saw this hearing this morning where it was discussed whether trump violated a gag order which prevents him from talking publicly about witnesses in jurors in the case. the penalty is a. $1,000 per offense. explain why it's seems like small change for him. >> a lot of people have asked me about that as well, briana and $1,000 seems really small, but look, it's set by new york law in new york judiciary loss 7501 sets $1,000 per instance. so per statement, per comment, whatever or and, or it could be either 30 days in jail. now, it wouldn't be uncommon for a judge to start low and then work their way up to jail because you also have to remember donald trump in this case has not been formally sanctioned. it's all the other cases where he's had gag orders and so on. so it's not so surprising that that he's talking about this is what the prosecutors have asked for. they've asked for fines. now if donald trump is sanctioned, if there is one statem
and pecker gibbs prosecutors, what they want. he's going to testify hi to that. >> we also saw this hearing this morning where it was discussed whether trump violated a gag order which prevents him from talking publicly about witnesses in jurors in the case. the penalty is a. $1,000 per offense. explain why it's seems like small change for him. >> a lot of people have asked me about that as well, briana and $1,000 seems really small, but look, it's set by new york law in new york...
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where michael cohen and trump and david pecker had this agreement where david pecker would be the eyes and ears of the campaign and look out for those negative stories. give cohen a heads up and try to suppress it. so it's important he is the lead off witness because it sets the stage. he's the one, of course he was in charge of at the head of ami, in charge of the national enquirer. it sets the stage and just sort of provides for the jury. it started as soon as donald trump announced he was running for president. >> charles, does it matter that they were long time friends, associates, people who worked together for a long time? does that give him more credibility? >> i think it does. the prosecutors are going to tie that into their narrative around why you should believe him and why he's credible. i think when you're setting the stage, giving a jury a very clear picture around what's happening, you have to give to the jury a reason why you should be believing these witnesses and their testimony. so for the reasons you've just mentioned, i think that pecker is going to be a very import
where michael cohen and trump and david pecker had this agreement where david pecker would be the eyes and ears of the campaign and look out for those negative stories. give cohen a heads up and try to suppress it. so it's important he is the lead off witness because it sets the stage. he's the one, of course he was in charge of at the head of ami, in charge of the national enquirer. it sets the stage and just sort of provides for the jury. it started as soon as donald trump announced he was...
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david pecker. to vaughn's point about unspoken, unknown details, according to prosecutes today, it was trump who invited david pecker to come to this meeting at trump tower in 2015. they were joined by michael cohen there. when we've seen that meeting described and public filings, it comes across really differently. they say there was a meeting between cohen and pecker and a third member of the trump campaign. we know from our colleague tom winters reporting in 2018 -- >> do we have that? okay. we're, we went back and we found, it actually circulated on social media. tom winter is a pro's pro and probably the kind of reporter that lives in both worlds. that does talk to those kinds of sources that know where people move and with whom they move. let me show you that report about that meeting and who was in it. >> the first discussion of this so-called catch and kill come up in august 2015. so the "wall street journal" reported back in november and nbc news has now confirmed that in fact the other ca
david pecker. to vaughn's point about unspoken, unknown details, according to prosecutes today, it was trump who invited david pecker to come to this meeting at trump tower in 2015. they were joined by michael cohen there. when we've seen that meeting described and public filings, it comes across really differently. they say there was a meeting between cohen and pecker and a third member of the trump campaign. we know from our colleague tom winters reporting in 2018 -- >> do we have that?...
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pecker says steinglass just dives in a little deeper. so even if the vet and came back and you believe the story to be true, you would have held the story until after for the presidential election of 2016. pecker says that was the conversation. i had with michael cohen. and that's what we agreed to. >> so here's what's going on underneath. this is not going to be a case about eventually disclosing an illegal campaign contribution. this is a local new york case, and there was a new york statue that says that it is illegal for two or more people to either promote or prevent a candidate from taking office who's running for public office. so we'll get the word promotion here. so allegedly in this case, burying the stormy daniels story and& all the other stories as well. but particularly this one that's going to fall under the new york state statue. we're not getting into issues of campaign finance fraud were getting into local law violation and this case, really the funny part about it, if you could call it funny, is it's really similar to t
pecker says steinglass just dives in a little deeper. so even if the vet and came back and you believe the story to be true, you would have held the story until after for the presidential election of 2016. pecker says that was the conversation. i had with michael cohen. and that's what we agreed to. >> so here's what's going on underneath. this is not going to be a case about eventually disclosing an illegal campaign contribution. this is a local new york case, and there was a new york...
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trump called pecker. >> and pecker tried to convince trump to buy the story, but then trump said this mali anytime you do anything like this, it always gets out. >> let me think about it and i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days. what does that tell you well, it certainly is. >> you're saying fits with what we all experienced when we were covering this campaign. and despite the turn, he's taken now, michael cohen was fanatically loyal to the man he always referred to as mr. trump. and we knew that he was always out there defending his reputation, i think to marcus is point this fits with what we know oh, about how meticulously trump pays attention to his image in the media, right? he, right. while this trial was going on, he's tweeting about the details of the way he's being covered in the new york times. so to this day, i think it's very much fits with what we know about how donald trump has always very carefully managed perceptions of himself, always very carefully monitored the media coverage of himself. but it's wild to actually get this behind the scenes glimpse, ri
trump called pecker. >> and pecker tried to convince trump to buy the story, but then trump said this mali anytime you do anything like this, it always gets out. >> let me think about it and i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days. what does that tell you well, it certainly is. >> you're saying fits with what we all experienced when we were covering this campaign. and despite the turn, he's taken now, michael cohen was fanatically loyal to the man he always...
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trump said pecker did not like the idea but candidate trump said pecker would get back to him in due time. wasn't a good day for the former president. before proceedings had gotten underway, the judge was scolding him over his social meeta page, which the prosecution say had breached the gag order. if they were hoping that admonishment would exchange his behavior, they might be disappointed. >> i think the gag order is totally uncongress institutional. can't even allow articles to be put in. articles over the last day and a half saying the case is a sham and it shouldn't be retried or everyone submitted. to me, a gag is totally unconstitutional. i'm not allowed to talk to people and not allowed to talk about me and they're keeping me in a courtroom, that's freezing, by the way. in a courtroom all day long sitting up as straight as i can all day long because you know what, it's a very unfair situation. christian: let's catch up with our north northwestern correspondent who's been covering the trial for us. where did the judge get to with the prosecutors's claim that he had breached th
trump said pecker did not like the idea but candidate trump said pecker would get back to him in due time. wasn't a good day for the former president. before proceedings had gotten underway, the judge was scolding him over his social meeta page, which the prosecution say had breached the gag order. if they were hoping that admonishment would exchange his behavior, they might be disappointed. >> i think the gag order is totally uncongress institutional. can't even allow articles to be put...
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on the strand pecker said we would embellish. the tabloid went after ted cruz, as we covered through the week. cruz famously finished second only to trump in the primary there was a cover story that some might view as defamatory, cruz's father was somehow linked to the jfk assassination. i'm showing this to you as criminal evidence. i'm not showing this to you as true, in fairness to senator cruz. pecker testified in court that what you see on your screen was not only false, but they knew it was false from the start. in other words, sometimes you have something come out, it has to be corrected. this should have been corrected in advanced. it never should have run because they knew it was, quote, manufactured, according to the star witness himself. and trump used all this against cruz at the time, and cruz punched back. >> all i did is point out the fact that on the cover of the "national enquirer" there is a picture him and crazy lee harvey oswald having breakfast. now ted never denied that it was his father. instead he said dona
on the strand pecker said we would embellish. the tabloid went after ted cruz, as we covered through the week. cruz famously finished second only to trump in the primary there was a cover story that some might view as defamatory, cruz's father was somehow linked to the jfk assassination. i'm showing this to you as criminal evidence. i'm not showing this to you as true, in fairness to senator cruz. pecker testified in court that what you see on your screen was not only false, but they knew it...
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as trump is signing them, pecker testifies he's simultaneously holding a conversation with pecker but also looking closely at the checks and signing them. so pecker definitely undermined blanche there, but i also want to distinguish between what i'll call the precursor to the crime and the crime itself. remember, what trump has been charged with here is 34 felony counts of falsification of business records. the conspiracy to throw the election is what makes that a felony, but the crimes itself is the falsification of the business records. david pecker's knowledge primarily pertains to that antecedent, the conspiracy. he wasn't around for the second part of the scheme. we're going to have to rely on other witnesses, other evidence, and largely michael cohen and business records to get to the evidence that proves that second part of the criminal activity that is necessary here. yes, the conspiracy is necessary to make it a felony, but first yaw got to find that trump actually intended to and knew that he was participating in falsification of business records. >> i want to play something
as trump is signing them, pecker testifies he's simultaneously holding a conversation with pecker but also looking closely at the checks and signing them. so pecker definitely undermined blanche there, but i also want to distinguish between what i'll call the precursor to the crime and the crime itself. remember, what trump has been charged with here is 34 felony counts of falsification of business records. the conspiracy to throw the election is what makes that a felony, but the crimes itself...
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pecker claimed that the story were true. it would probably be the biggest sale of the national enquirer since the death of elvis let's presley, but then admitted if it were true, he wouldn't have published the story until after the election, but before pecker even took the stand, the proceedings of began with a heated hearing on the gag order imposed on trump in this case, the prosecution asked the judge to order trump to remove specific posts. they allege violate the gag order and fine him $1,000 for each of the alleged violations and remind him that incarceration is an option. should it be necessary? but defense attorney todd blanche argue that trump did not willfully violate the gag order and claim trump believes re-posting others assertions or content is not a violation, but the hearing became heated at one point with the judge telling blanche, you're losing all credibility with the court and there was no decision from the judge on that gag order. but portably back in session on thursday, pecker will be back on the stand
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answer, david pecker. being in the publishing industry for 40 years, i realized early in my career the only thing that was important was a cover of a magazine. so when the editors would prepare a cover we would have a meeting and they would present me what the concept was and cost was going be. question, prosecutor. and if the story involves for lack of a better way to say it a big story or a famous person. now, two salient points here about that testimony from david pecker. he's only on the stand for about two hours today. first, what he says counts as the normal amount of money for the checkbook journalism he says his company does. anything over $10,000, that would be unusual. that would be out of bounds. that would have to get personal approval from him as chairman, ceo from not just one of these publications but the entire company with dozens of publications. $10,000 was the ceiling. beyond that, it had to go personally through him. in this case prosecutors say they'll present evidence that ami was doi
answer, david pecker. being in the publishing industry for 40 years, i realized early in my career the only thing that was important was a cover of a magazine. so when the editors would prepare a cover we would have a meeting and they would present me what the concept was and cost was going be. question, prosecutor. and if the story involves for lack of a better way to say it a big story or a famous person. now, two salient points here about that testimony from david pecker. he's only on the...
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david pecker is who he is. he has no problems saying that he was engaged in checkbook journalism, and, yes, he was publishing some outrageous stories, you know, and negative stories and untrue stories. so that's what he did in charge of the company that was the parent company of the national enquirer. what you want to do is plant reasonable doubt in jurors mind and distance donald trump away from pecker and cohen. it's going to be hard because pecker did testify he's known donald trump for years, and he knew him to be detailed oriented and almost a micromanager. that's hard to distance someone. if you're a micromanager and you're detail oriented, it's hard to say you are hands off. so you can expect them to do that. you can also expect them to try with mr. pecker to talk about other stories, negative stories and falsehoods that were published not at the behest of donald trump but had nothing to do with donald trump. he was in charge of the company for years. >> yeah, i was just going to say the simplest way to
david pecker is who he is. he has no problems saying that he was engaged in checkbook journalism, and, yes, he was publishing some outrageous stories, you know, and negative stories and untrue stories. so that's what he did in charge of the company that was the parent company of the national enquirer. what you want to do is plant reasonable doubt in jurors mind and distance donald trump away from pecker and cohen. it's going to be hard because pecker did testify he's known donald trump for...
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all of this will lead to tomorrow when david pecker is expected to take a stand again. notably also the gag order hearing tomorrow morning. the prosecution has asked the judge to punish donald trump for violating the gag order. notably when donald trump left the courthouse today, what did he do is this he attacked one of the witnesses, michael cohen. this will come down to the determination of judge merchan over whether donald trump actually violated the gag order and any consequences that may follow. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you so much. joining us now, former assistant district attorney for the manhattan d.a.'s office and msnbc legal analyst, catherine christian, and legal analyst, danny cevallos. we're going to be talking about david pecker and the other witnesses expected on the case tomorrow. i want to start with the opening remarks today. both by the prosecution and the defense. prosecution about 45 minutes, almost to the exact second, 30 seconds into it. the defense was supposed to do 25 minutes, ended up 35 minutes. there were some interruptions. how did you se
all of this will lead to tomorrow when david pecker is expected to take a stand again. notably also the gag order hearing tomorrow morning. the prosecution has asked the judge to punish donald trump for violating the gag order. notably when donald trump left the courthouse today, what did he do is this he attacked one of the witnesses, michael cohen. this will come down to the determination of judge merchan over whether donald trump actually violated the gag order and any consequences that may...
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pecker. >> i think that's right on. i think pecker certainly comes off -- he introduced this whole scheme. that's giving us an introduction to what the juries are about to hear for the next six weeks. it is also someone that i think has a favorable view of trump and has been a longtime friend of trump. it's going to be interesting to see how trump's attorneys choose to cross him when they do, whether that be tomorrow or friday. sometime later this week. he is also coming off in a way that's quite grandfatherly. i think it's going to be interesting to see what they choose to approach him on, on cross examination. >> michael steele, i just kept thinking that this is a man who -- i'm not there to absorb the grandfatherly touches. he was the most eligible bachelor. he was never that. he was married. three times but still almost always married. it's going to be awkward to try to discredit him without also discrediting all of the lovely things he said about donald trump. >> yeah. it's one of those dynamics when you are lookin
pecker. >> i think that's right on. i think pecker certainly comes off -- he introduced this whole scheme. that's giving us an introduction to what the juries are about to hear for the next six weeks. it is also someone that i think has a favorable view of trump and has been a longtime friend of trump. it's going to be interesting to see how trump's attorneys choose to cross him when they do, whether that be tomorrow or friday. sometime later this week. he is also coming off in a way...
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answer, david pecker. being in the publishing industry for 40 years i realized early in my career that the only thing that was important is the cover of a magazine. so when the editors produce a story or prepare the cover, we would have a meeting and they would present the story, what the concept was, what the cost would be. question, prosecutor. if the story involved for lack of a better way to say it, a big story or a famous person, did you have the final say on whether or not to publish the story. answer, david pecker. yes, i did. the first witness in the criminal trial of former president donald trump today was david pecker, the former ceo of american media inc. ami, the company that used to own the national enquirer. two salient points here about that testimony from david pecker. he's only on the stand for like half an hour today, but we get all of this salient stuff for the prosecution's case. first of all, there's what he said about what counts as a normal amount of money for the kind of checkbook j
answer, david pecker. being in the publishing industry for 40 years i realized early in my career that the only thing that was important is the cover of a magazine. so when the editors produce a story or prepare the cover, we would have a meeting and they would present the story, what the concept was, what the cost would be. question, prosecutor. if the story involved for lack of a better way to say it, a big story or a famous person, did you have the final say on whether or not to publish the...
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i think david pecker is ke to the put forward? i think david pecker is key to the idea _ put forward? i think david pecker is key to the idea of _ put forward? i think david pecker is key to the idea of intent _ put forward? i think david pecker is key to the idea of intent here. - key to the idea of intent here. donald trumps the team has said in their opening statements that donald trump didn't pay the hush money payments to stormy daniels because of the election it was all about protecting his and his brand. what we heard from david pecker is very different. although he didn't get to the stormy daniels payment he outlined several part of this catch and kill scheme. he said it all began when donald trump at his former lawyer michael cohen requested a meeting in august of 2015 and asked david pecker, how can you help the campaign for the bat for the prosecution really establishes intent that the soul of the alleged catch and kill scheme was to benefit donald trumps campaign for that and david pecker outlined how we not only publi
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that's why they're starting with pecker. they're setting the stage with this scheme they're calling it. as a defense attorney, i feel the need to inform everybody the catch-and-kill process is not illegal. the act in and of itself of keeping information from the public in this manner is not illegal. what is being alleged which is illegal is the way they went about accounting for it, and that it was a campaign contribution above the limit for reporting purposes for the federal election commission. i think the prosecution, again, is going to try to paint this picture of things being generally bad in this area. then they're going to hit the documents, the specific pay stubs and the checks and things like that. >> we understand the opening statements have begun. matthew coangelo is saying good morning to everybody there. maya, juries change. they get in as individuals, right? they come into that room as individuals, but they have to act as a group. what kind of change are you looking for as a defense lawyer or as a prosecution o
that's why they're starting with pecker. they're setting the stage with this scheme they're calling it. as a defense attorney, i feel the need to inform everybody the catch-and-kill process is not illegal. the act in and of itself of keeping information from the public in this manner is not illegal. what is being alleged which is illegal is the way they went about accounting for it, and that it was a campaign contribution above the limit for reporting purposes for the federal election...
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pecker testified the plan was concocted at trump tower in 2015. trump and former fixer michael cohen allegedly asked him how he could help the campaign. he told them, "i would be your eyes and ears," explaining the practice of catch and kill. the "enquirer" would buy the rights to any damaging story about trump and never publish it. prosecutors say that plan was the origin of cohen's $130,000 payment to former adult film star stormy daniels to keep her quiet about an alleged sexual encounter with trump, who denies it all. one example of catch and kill discussed in court today involved the trump building doorman, who was selling what turned out to be a fake story about trump fathering a son. pecker told the jury today he bought the story because of the potential embarrassment it would have to the campaign and mr. trump. >> david pecker is a very strong witness for the prosecution. he seems very solid on the stand. he certainly seems like he doesn't have any ax to grind with donald trump. >> reporter: on the stand, pecker said trump called him about
pecker testified the plan was concocted at trump tower in 2015. trump and former fixer michael cohen allegedly asked him how he could help the campaign. he told them, "i would be your eyes and ears," explaining the practice of catch and kill. the "enquirer" would buy the rights to any damaging story about trump and never publish it. prosecutors say that plan was the origin of cohen's $130,000 payment to former adult film star stormy daniels to keep her quiet about an alleged...