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even though he apparently never paid michael cohen this way before, coincidentally after michael cohen on his own volition and for his own reasons decided to take out a home equity line of credit in order to pay a star that he himself never met and never had with, coincidentally after michael cohen just decided to do that out of the goodness of his own heart for his own mysterious reasons that have nothing to do with donald trump, quits and that only after that happened, trump decided to start a new way of paying his longtime lawyer that involved $35,000.00 checks he signed in the oval office and it was all a coincidence and not of it had anything to do with the election. maybe. we will see. we are going to talk tonight about what prosecutors said about how they came up with the payment plan to michael cohen. personally, i unintentionally loudly started in court when i heard this, which was not at all polite. it annoyed the person sitting next to me. i will apologize and explain. we will talk about that. we will talk about the first witness, whose name is packer because the news guns l
even though he apparently never paid michael cohen this way before, coincidentally after michael cohen on his own volition and for his own reasons decided to take out a home equity line of credit in order to pay a star that he himself never met and never had with, coincidentally after michael cohen just decided to do that out of the goodness of his own heart for his own mysterious reasons that have nothing to do with donald trump, quits and that only after that happened, trump decided to start...
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the unfairness of it but nobody else in this case is free to say whatever they want including michael cohen. who is the state's star witness but he is not allowed to say anything. right now, the judge one where sean is deliberating over whether or not to charge him with violating the gag order. there is talk about can trump land in jail for it from things he has posted on social media and truth social. he says there will be an answer may be later on maybe tomorrow. >> sandra: he maintained that he called this gag order unconstitutional, john. >> people who peacefully protest are not throwing bottles and chairs. is very fire sale on those tents? there are some organizing going on. >> look at the tents. they were all the same color. to me, i think somebody is funding this. >> these encampments did not spring up spontaneously. it looks to me like they have some pretty expensive camping equipment out there as well. i think it is worth asking who is funding these organizations violating the law? >> john: the tents, look at the tents. nypd and city officials raising concerns and professional agit
the unfairness of it but nobody else in this case is free to say whatever they want including michael cohen. who is the state's star witness but he is not allowed to say anything. right now, the judge one where sean is deliberating over whether or not to charge him with violating the gag order. there is talk about can trump land in jail for it from things he has posted on social media and truth social. he says there will be an answer may be later on maybe tomorrow. >> sandra: he...
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pointing to the 2015 meeting as trump and michael cohen and then "national enquirer" publisher david packer where they worked out a plan to conceal public information with former adult film star stormy daniels, all of which trump denies. >> and you had sex with him? >> yes. >> where you physically attracted to him? >> reporter: cohen admitted paying daniels money to -- prosecutors today called it to the porn star payoff. >> it's k says to bookkeeping, which is a very minor thing. >> reporter: in court his attorney said that trump committed no crime, saying i have a spoiler alert, there's nothing wrong with trying to influence an election. it's called democracy. cbs news legal analyst rikki klieman said that today was one of the most important moments in the criminal trial. >> there are studies that say that 80% of jurors minds are made up at the end of the opening statements. >> reporter: is the prosecution's first witness, and buried brief testimony did not discuss the 2015 2015 meeting h trump and cohen, but acknowledge to pay for storied calling checkbook journalism. instead the c
pointing to the 2015 meeting as trump and michael cohen and then "national enquirer" publisher david packer where they worked out a plan to conceal public information with former adult film star stormy daniels, all of which trump denies. >> and you had sex with him? >> yes. >> where you physically attracted to him? >> reporter: cohen admitted paying daniels money to -- prosecutors today called it to the porn star payoff. >> it's k says to bookkeeping,...
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and he told the jury, michael cohen, a key prosecution witness, has "an obsession with getting trump, he cannot be trusted." but prosecutors insist the alleged criminal conspiracy to protect trump involved others including their first witness, david pecker, the former "national enquirer" publisher who once called trump a personal friend. as pecker took the stand, trump leaned forward, arms crossed, an angry look on his face. pecker has acknowledged buying negative stories about the candidate only to bury them, a practice known as catch-and-kill. on the stand, pecker was blunt, "we used checkbook journalism. we paid for stories." he is testifying under a subpoena, having cut a deal with prosecutors to avoid charges himself. he was only on the stand for a few minutes today, but he'll be back tomorrow. leaving court, trump, who denies the affair with daniels, tried to downplay the case against him. >> it's a case as to bookkeeping, which is a very minor thing in terms of the law. >> reporter: so, david, pecker is back tomorrow, david, but there will be arguments whether trump violated th
and he told the jury, michael cohen, a key prosecution witness, has "an obsession with getting trump, he cannot be trusted." but prosecutors insist the alleged criminal conspiracy to protect trump involved others including their first witness, david pecker, the former "national enquirer" publisher who once called trump a personal friend. as pecker took the stand, trump leaned forward, arms crossed, an angry look on his face. pecker has acknowledged buying negative stories...
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he does have reason to say that when it comes to michael cohen. cohen is on the news every night attacking the president not just legally but politically. he will continue to do that after he testifies. and, yet, this order saying you can't really respond to him. i think a lot of people view that as being too broad a scope. and the judge doesn't seem to have any sort of inclination to narrow it. >> bret: i have heard you talk about the legal side of this and how it's cobbled together, the charges and how we hear another kind of avenue that the prosecution is going down. >> right. well, there is the second misdemeanor, nothing one coming out of the new york code that said you illegally conspired to promote your own campaign. and as you sort of work your mind around that, they are saying that because you misidentified these funds and treated them as legal expenses, you were illegally trying to win that campaign. once again, most of us looking at this or at least many of us are saying wait, first of all, can you prove all these facts because they are
he does have reason to say that when it comes to michael cohen. cohen is on the news every night attacking the president not just legally but politically. he will continue to do that after he testifies. and, yet, this order saying you can't really respond to him. i think a lot of people view that as being too broad a scope. and the judge doesn't seem to have any sort of inclination to narrow it. >> bret: i have heard you talk about the legal side of this and how it's cobbled together, the...
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he was a lawyer, and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted liar. he was a lawyer for many people, not just me. and he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me. >> that was an interview with a local news station, seems like a potential additional violation of the gag order. we're still waiting on the judge's decision on that gag order. but he did have an interaction with trump's lawyers yesterday in the gag order hearing that gives you a sense of where his head's at, right? he told judge merchan, you are losing all credibility with the court. that moment, lisa mentioned, stood out to all of us who were following along with the proceedings. how unusual is it to have a judge say that to a lawyer in a hearing like this and what do you think he's going to do? >> this is the first time i've ever heard it. i mean, it's key as a lawyer, you advocate for your client, but you need to be credible. you need to come across as being credible and advocate for your client at the same time, so the fact that the judge said this is very, very po
he was a lawyer, and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted liar. he was a lawyer for many people, not just me. and he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me. >> that was an interview with a local news station, seems like a potential additional violation of the gag order. we're still waiting on the judge's decision on that gag order. but he did have an interaction with trump's lawyers yesterday in the gag order hearing that gives you a sense of...
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cohen has pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations and lying under oath. the prosecutors pre-emptively defending him today saying he made mistakes in the past to protect his boss. >> and laura is here with me on the set alongside hallie jackson. laura, let me begin with you. the first witness on the stand right now, does it give us any hint where all this is leading? >> yes. tabloid mogul david pecker is at that 2015 meeting at trump tower as we mentioned. he's useful for prosecutors because he puts mr. trump in the room for this alleged plot. he's also useful because his name is not michael cohen and his testimony will continue tomorrow, lester. >> all right, laura, thank you. and hallie, this is a partisan prosecution in the opinion of mr. trump. >> yeah, that's what his campaign's been saying. and in some ways what we just heard in court, what laura has laid out, echoes what we have also heard from mr. trump himself on the campaign trail. his defense, casting him as a fighter, aggressively attacking central players in this case. familiar themes. now, th
cohen has pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations and lying under oath. the prosecutors pre-emptively defending him today saying he made mistakes in the past to protect his boss. >> and laura is here with me on the set alongside hallie jackson. laura, let me begin with you. the first witness on the stand right now, does it give us any hint where all this is leading? >> yes. tabloid mogul david pecker is at that 2015 meeting at trump tower as we mentioned. he's useful for...
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is mike michael cohen as a witness as well. and so that's going back in for the judge saying we're not going to mix apples and oranges here as part of his decision-making in so we expect it's going to keep keep going for at least another hour. yeah. it's been a fascinating back-and-forth jeremy, herb and kara scannell, our team inside the courtroom and reading everything out and it's been pretty fierce up to this point. i want to ask you because our colleague cares can also broke gonna be a hearing happening, i think right now in an appeals court tied to this case, there's like 70 moving parts right now, what is this? all of a sudden we heard that there's a hearing that is going on just just uptown here the appeals scored a full panel is now hearing the former president's motion to change venue. now, he's already made this request a judge had ruled against an appeals court judge had ruled against that motion, but now the appeals court itself, though, the panama panel, that they feel court, is now hearing that motion. and so tha
is mike michael cohen as a witness as well. and so that's going back in for the judge saying we're not going to mix apples and oranges here as part of his decision-making in so we expect it's going to keep keep going for at least another hour. yeah. it's been a fascinating back-and-forth jeremy, herb and kara scannell, our team inside the courtroom and reading everything out and it's been pretty fierce up to this point. i want to ask you because our colleague cares can also broke gonna be a...
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effort to falsify business records, most of the allegation against trump specifically comes from michael cohen, his former lawyer. and the defense argument is michael: is simply a liar that cannot be trusted, period. the government's argument would be that he may be a liar and untrustworthy, but in this instance on this case with this evidence, there is enough corroboration of his account that you can believe him when he says trump knew about this. host: that is today's proceeding and what to expect. your story today in the "washington post," you talk about things to watch for, particularly tomorrow when it comes to the gag order given to the president. can you elaborate on that? guest: one of the ongoing legal fight of this whole process has been the things trump says outside of court, attacking the family members, the staffers of people involved in this process. and the prosecutors are asking the judge to hold him in contempt for the public statements he has made. trump is arguing he should not be punished for those things, that those payments were acceptable, but so far it looks like the ju
effort to falsify business records, most of the allegation against trump specifically comes from michael cohen, his former lawyer. and the defense argument is michael: is simply a liar that cannot be trusted, period. the government's argument would be that he may be a liar and untrustworthy, but in this instance on this case with this evidence, there is enough corroboration of his account that you can believe him when he says trump knew about this. host: that is today's proceeding and what to...
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campaign stage and try to paint their own story about the other players involved in this from michael cohen to stormy daniels. there's a gag order hearing where he could be found to have violated because of attacks on players that could be witnesses. donald trump is not only going to north carolina this saturday, this weekend for a campaign rally, the following saturday he's heading to new jersey for a campaign rally, and for donald trump he's continuing to make stops like the one he did at harlem this week. donald trump wants to make himself the aggrieved, the martyr here, and for all intents and purposes, he is the criminal defendant, the one being targeted and prosecuted and for donald trump, until he is found guilty by these 12 jurors, for now he is going to continue to make the case that he is being unfairly prosecuted and targeted and at this point in time, he hopes that he can at least convince the american electorate at large that, you know, until you potentially see a hung jury or he's found innocent even that right now, this is an effort to undermine his campaign and make the sell
campaign stage and try to paint their own story about the other players involved in this from michael cohen to stormy daniels. there's a gag order hearing where he could be found to have violated because of attacks on players that could be witnesses. donald trump is not only going to north carolina this saturday, this weekend for a campaign rally, the following saturday he's heading to new jersey for a campaign rally, and for donald trump he's continuing to make stops like the one he did at...
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trump and former fixer michael cohen allegedly asked him how he could help the campaign. he told them, i would be your eyes and ears, explaining the practice of catch and kill. the inquirer would buy the rights to any damaging story about trump and never publish i. prosecutors say that plan was the origin of 's $130,000 payment to former adult film star stormy daniels to keep her quiet about an alleged sexual encounter with trump, who denies it all. one example of catch and kill discussed in court today in bold a trump building doorman who was selling what turned out to be a fake story about trump fathering a son. pecker told the jury today he bought the story because of the potential embarrassment it would have to the campaign and mr. trump. >> david pecker is a very strong witness for the prosecution. he seems very solid on the stand. he certainly seems like he doesn't have any ax to grind with donald trump and seems almost apologetic for having to tell this story. >> reporter: on the stand, pecker said trump called him about another story he wanted kept quiet. that a f
trump and former fixer michael cohen allegedly asked him how he could help the campaign. he told them, i would be your eyes and ears, explaining the practice of catch and kill. the inquirer would buy the rights to any damaging story about trump and never publish i. prosecutors say that plan was the origin of 's $130,000 payment to former adult film star stormy daniels to keep her quiet about an alleged sexual encounter with trump, who denies it all. one example of catch and kill discussed in...
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he was the one who directed cohen to do exactly what cohen did and david pecker. so that could be turned on its head against him. >> and to that point, he's been trying to push this narrative of late in the public space. i just paid my attorney for attorney's fees. i didn't get involved in that. but what she just said is critically important because number one, in terms of what sworn testimony that the jury's going to be able to consider, absent his testimony and absent him getting on the stand himself, they're going to have a hard time putting that in front of the jury. that even that theory. that's something donald trump wants the public to believe, but i don't necessarily know they're ever going to hear about it in the jury box unless he testifies. through his questions of other witnesses that's something that's possible, but here's the key. there are prosecutors who were on bragg's team who worked and prosecuted the case against the trump organization and are extremely familiar with how these things work and so they have the goods to counteract that narrative.
he was the one who directed cohen to do exactly what cohen did and david pecker. so that could be turned on its head against him. >> and to that point, he's been trying to push this narrative of late in the public space. i just paid my attorney for attorney's fees. i didn't get involved in that. but what she just said is critically important because number one, in terms of what sworn testimony that the jury's going to be able to consider, absent his testimony and absent him getting on the...
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said contact with cohen, so he would talk to michael cohen, david talked to michael cohen if there was an issue, they could talk every day. >> exactly. we need to know that there is some sort of catch and kill pattern which aren't to establish that already. we know that there was some sort of maybe awareness if not, of the cook, the books, but at least awareness in terms of the micromanagement that he would have had or knowledge about what was actually on his different invoices. >> the prosecutor asked david if he knows. hope hicks? yes, i do. packer said so this is the first time the trump campaign aide and white house aide, hope hicks her name is brought up are expecting hope hicks at some point to be called as a witness. she was involved according to the prosecution in some of these conversations in one way or another, when it comes to paying michael cohen two after he paid allegedly stormy daniels. >> so while i hope hicks is so important is about the fallout of the access hollywood fall out. other allegation patients. what was the containment principles about where they trying to
said contact with cohen, so he would talk to michael cohen, david talked to michael cohen if there was an issue, they could talk every day. >> exactly. we need to know that there is some sort of catch and kill pattern which aren't to establish that already. we know that there was some sort of maybe awareness if not, of the cook, the books, but at least awareness in terms of the micromanagement that he would have had or knowledge about what was actually on his different invoices. >>...
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cohen would tell him who to go after, and the magazine would do it. pecker admitted the enquirer fabricated a story falsely linking cruz's father with the kennedy assassination. pecker testifying they took a picture of cruz and a picture of lee harvey oswald and matched the two together, adding, that's how the story was prepared, created, i would say. trump running with the fake story about cruz's father. >> what was he doing with lee harvey oswald shortly before the death, before the ooting? it's horrible. >> reporter: pecker told the jury he was convinced women could come forward with stories to sell because trump was the most eligible bachelor and dated the most beautiful women. trump perking up at that description. and then visibly purr tuperturb as pecker started to detail one example. the story of karen mcdougall, who claims to have had a year-long affair with trump, which he denies. when he learned mcdougall was trying to sell her story in june 2016, pecker said he immediately called cohen. he said he and cohen were already talking a couple tim
cohen would tell him who to go after, and the magazine would do it. pecker admitted the enquirer fabricated a story falsely linking cruz's father with the kennedy assassination. pecker testifying they took a picture of cruz and a picture of lee harvey oswald and matched the two together, adding, that's how the story was prepared, created, i would say. trump running with the fake story about cruz's father. >> what was he doing with lee harvey oswald shortly before the death, before the...
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and you keep all michael cohen, you have the focus entirely cohen. and if you might say something subtle like you're going to learn there are some motivations that would make stormy daniels a suspect witness to, but you don't you don't delve into fighting the women that are part of this is it doesn't matter. >> todd blanche obviously, launching a much more aggressive assault and he just said to the jury that stormy daniels, quote, has no idea about the business records at issue in this case, and he said stormy daniels testimony i'll salacious does not matter. anderson jake, thanks very much. >> back here with kaitlan collins. paula reid in new york just to pick up on that, going after stormy daniels. >> here's another update. it's not a scheme unless a scheme means something that doesn't matter. that's not illegal. blanche says of the catch and kill agreement with and there is nothing illegal about the caching killer so agreement as sleazy as it may be, exactly the argument way this case to be framed by the prosecution is that this was an effort to h
and you keep all michael cohen, you have the focus entirely cohen. and if you might say something subtle like you're going to learn there are some motivations that would make stormy daniels a suspect witness to, but you don't you don't delve into fighting the women that are part of this is it doesn't matter. >> todd blanche obviously, launching a much more aggressive assault and he just said to the jury that stormy daniels, quote, has no idea about the business records at issue in this...
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cohen and the story of michael cohen checks it out. it says these two people are employees of trump-world tower. it gets back to them and then david says he'll check out the store, but you say this is not necessarily a campaign country remember, citizens united dealt with the case where somebody, a documentary film maker made a film attacking hillary clinton, trying to make her look bad right before the election and that was held to not be a in-kind campaign contribution when media company does something like that expense, money, significant amount of money in that case, millions of dollars to produce something that could change people's opinions of the election to help their preferred candidate that was constitutionally protected, free speech. so that's that's what it's buying somebody silence. the same thing as free speech not free and it's not speech. >> it hasn't, it's an interesting question that should be tested. >> david says he called michael cohen because of the 2015 meeting he agreed to notify cone of anything he heard, quote
cohen and the story of michael cohen checks it out. it says these two people are employees of trump-world tower. it gets back to them and then david says he'll check out the store, but you say this is not necessarily a campaign country remember, citizens united dealt with the case where somebody, a documentary film maker made a film attacking hillary clinton, trying to make her look bad right before the election and that was held to not be a in-kind campaign contribution when media company does...
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for stating what is on his mind but michael cohen can say anything he wants. >> that is what is at the heart of a lot of this. the trial has caption the attention of america. trump is a leading republican candidate for president and there are huge first amendment issues at stake. it seems anomalous when you see trump's speech being restricted whereas other people connected in the case are free to say what they want on whatever topic they want. >> thank you for that. they have wrapped up the session today. they did not have activity yesterday. donald trump might say something, he might not. i am sure "the five" will be on top of that because "the five" is next. >> jesse: hello, everybody. it is 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." ♪ ♪ we have our jury. the judge announcing we have 12 jurors and one alternate seated after another whirlwind day of jury selection in trump's hush money trial. we still need five alternates. two jurors were excused. one said they could not be impartial after swearing they could and the judge says opening statements are expected monday. trump was
for stating what is on his mind but michael cohen can say anything he wants. >> that is what is at the heart of a lot of this. the trial has caption the attention of america. trump is a leading republican candidate for president and there are huge first amendment issues at stake. it seems anomalous when you see trump's speech being restricted whereas other people connected in the case are free to say what they want on whatever topic they want. >> thank you for that. they have...
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but i want to ask you about michael cohen. michael cohen knows he has a credibility problem. michael cohen has spent a lot of time with these prosecutors, right? they've had the conversations but he took a profane swipe at trump on x. wrote among other things you are attacks stink of desperation. we are all hoping you take the stand in your defense. if you're the prosecutor who's calling cohen to the stand, what are you thinking when you see that? >> i'm thinking michael cohen, please shut up. please just do your testifying in the courtroom, but the prosecutor does not control michael cohen. i'm not sure anyone controls michael cohen. so he's not doing the prosecution that he favors in a way that makes his testimony even more credible. although we know at the same time, that he now des dispiezs trump. with regard to the testimony of cohen, they want to hit it and quit it. >> paul and danny, i don't know what the rest of the trial holds when they reconvene on thursday, but the start of this has been pretty dog gone interesting. thank you both. i'm sure we'll speak again very s
but i want to ask you about michael cohen. michael cohen knows he has a credibility problem. michael cohen has spent a lot of time with these prosecutors, right? they've had the conversations but he took a profane swipe at trump on x. wrote among other things you are attacks stink of desperation. we are all hoping you take the stand in your defense. if you're the prosecutor who's calling cohen to the stand, what are you thinking when you see that? >> i'm thinking michael cohen, please...
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but in response michael cohen tells fox news this. that quote, the facts will come out at the time of trial that contradicts the mischaracterizations of me. after the gag order hearing is completed we'll know if the former president could be fined. the testimony will continue. that from david pecker, the publisher of the "national enquirer" who will testify about the so-called catch and kill scheme in order to hide information damaging to the former president. then witness number two later this week, mcdougal, the former playboy playmate who claims she had a ten month affair with the president and paid for her silence by the "national enquirer" so voters would not find out about it during the 2016 presidential race. bret, back to you. >> bret: we don't have specific timing how long this will take to get this ruling, whatever it is this morning. >> no, we don't know if the judge will immediately rule on the bench or if he will take it under consideration. he will hear the arguments from both sides, prosecutors citing ten of those truth
but in response michael cohen tells fox news this. that quote, the facts will come out at the time of trial that contradicts the mischaracterizations of me. after the gag order hearing is completed we'll know if the former president could be fined. the testimony will continue. that from david pecker, the publisher of the "national enquirer" who will testify about the so-called catch and kill scheme in order to hide information damaging to the former president. then witness number two...
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just before the 2016 election, and new this morng, we now knowtoy danis, trump's former fer, michael cohen, and a former plboy model will be allowed to testify. we also kn donald trump's team does not like the repoing that he may have faen asleep during yesterday's proceedis, seen as brynn gingras le outse the court for us, once again this morning, brynn, can you walk us thugh what's ing to what's going to happen this >> yeah. kate, so like you said, donald trump is inside the courthouse, not yet in the courtroom at 9:30 sharp, the judge says he wants to start are continue the jury selection process. now, listen and got a late start yesterday aftnoon because therwe so many emotions that brought up on bh e prosecution anthe defense ase, se of that was decided as you just laid out? for the viewers. but when it do resume, there areoing to be 32 rors thaare still ticking rough that 40 to a estion questionnairebe answing about their affiations where they get their news, are answering about have they gone to a trump rally anering questions? really just pertaing to can they be impartial and bough
just before the 2016 election, and new this morng, we now knowtoy danis, trump's former fer, michael cohen, and a former plboy model will be allowed to testify. we also kn donald trump's team does not like the repoing that he may have faen asleep during yesterday's proceedis, seen as brynn gingras le outse the court for us, once again this morning, brynn, can you walk us thugh what's ing to what's going to happen this >> yeah. kate, so like you said, donald trump is inside the courthouse,...
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trump was reimbursing michael cohen. he added that the prosecutors have put a sinister spin on this as if it is a crime but the jurors will learn that it is not. trump amped up the drama. he emphasized that mr. trump denies her claim saying daniels agreement to not spread false claims about trump is not illegal. it was mr. trump himself after the proceedings, giving some comments in new york city. here he is from yesterday. [video clip] >> they take this payment and call it a legal expense. this is what i got indicted on. they should be in georgia -- i should be in georgia now. i should be in florida. i should be in a lot of different places campaigning and i am sitting here. it is very unfair. the judge is conflicted. it is very unfair what is going on. i should be allowed to campaign. whoever heard of this. to be indicted for that? people in the courts cannot believe it. this is the case. we did something wrong. why didn't the district bring it to look at it? why did not other agencies and law enforcement groups look a
trump was reimbursing michael cohen. he added that the prosecutors have put a sinister spin on this as if it is a crime but the jurors will learn that it is not. trump amped up the drama. he emphasized that mr. trump denies her claim saying daniels agreement to not spread false claims about trump is not illegal. it was mr. trump himself after the proceedings, giving some comments in new york city. here he is from yesterday. [video clip] >> they take this payment and call it a legal...
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michael cohen who has no criminal they said. michael cohen wants to see president trump go to prison. the prosecution said it was former president trump who broke the law. the defendant sat quietly at that event's table at times, former president trump shook his head and objection to what he was hearing. prosecutor told the hushed courtroom that trump orchestrated an illegal plan to corrupt the 2016 presidential election, "this case is about a criminal conspiracy in the cover-up. it was election fraud, pure and simple." he said david packer, the former publisher of the "national enquirer" who is expected to be the first witness will detail how the illegal scheme worked. and what he and trump talk ab about. he will detail how trump desperately wanted to hide his affair with her which is why the tabloid paid for mcdougall story but never ran it. as for stormy daniels, "trump reimbursed his lawyer to pay her money and promise the jury they will hear a tape of trump talking about paying cash. he said the three men, trump, conspired
michael cohen who has no criminal they said. michael cohen wants to see president trump go to prison. the prosecution said it was former president trump who broke the law. the defendant sat quietly at that event's table at times, former president trump shook his head and objection to what he was hearing. prosecutor told the hushed courtroom that trump orchestrated an illegal plan to corrupt the 2016 presidential election, "this case is about a criminal conspiracy in the cover-up. it was...
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manhattan district attorney alvin bragg said trump said they were for cohen's legal fees. >> the grand jury found 34 documents with this critical false statement. why did donald trump repeatedly make these false statements? the evidence will show that he did so to cover up crimes relating to the 2016 election. >> but the former president and defendant has been harshly criticizing the case saying he left everything to his accountants because he was busy being president when he started signs those checks in february of 2017 a few weeks after his inauguration. >> i was paying a lawyer and wrote it down as legal expense. an accountant marked it down as a legal expense. that's what it was. you get indicted over that? >> the trial is beginning now. the president came in, did not make any comments when he arrived at the courthouse. if he does comment on what david pecker says it would be a violation of the gag order. under that gag order he has strongly protested not allowed to comment about any of the witnesses in the case, including his friend david pecker. martha, back to you. >> dana: and
manhattan district attorney alvin bragg said trump said they were for cohen's legal fees. >> the grand jury found 34 documents with this critical false statement. why did donald trump repeatedly make these false statements? the evidence will show that he did so to cover up crimes relating to the 2016 election. >> but the former president and defendant has been harshly criticizing the case saying he left everything to his accountants because he was busy being president when he...
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trump's posts on social media targeting cohen and stormy daniels. the state seeking to hold mr. trump in criminal contempt for violating the judge's gag order that bars him from attacking trial witnesses. >> so they can talk about me. they can say whatever they want. they can lie. but i'm not allowed to say anything. i would love to say everything that's on my mind. >> reporter: in court, the defense arguing mr. trump should be permitted to respond to political attacks, and the gag order should not cover reposts of someone else. the judge didn't rule today, but seemed exasperated, telling lead defense attorney todd blanche you are losing all credibility with the court. minutes later during a break, mr. trump back on truth social, falsely writing the judge had taken away his right to free speech. "this is a kangaroo court." >> laura, you were in the courtroom today. what were some of your impressions? >> well, lester, this jury is engaged. they're paying attention. they're looking at the exhibits on the screen in front of them. they're listening carefully to the witness, david pe
trump's posts on social media targeting cohen and stormy daniels. the state seeking to hold mr. trump in criminal contempt for violating the judge's gag order that bars him from attacking trial witnesses. >> so they can talk about me. they can say whatever they want. they can lie. but i'm not allowed to say anything. i would love to say everything that's on my mind. >> reporter: in court, the defense arguing mr. trump should be permitted to respond to political attacks, and the gag...
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with at a time where he feels that he is forcibly gagged and cannot say anything but full like michael cohen and others are allowed to say whatever they want and however, they want, jonathan turley the law professor and fox news contributor good to see you an interesting week. >> thank you. >> neil: we thought this would have a stumbling start but it seems to be going at a fast pace you've heard the trump legal folk saying that it is almost like a rush job going on here what do you make of all of this? >> i am quite astonished it has gone this quickly i would be surprised at just a conventional case not one with the trump as a defendant to have jury selection go this quickly in a major case. but it looks like we are set for monday and the frustration of the president i think as well based i think it's well based on two points, one is that this is a put in the prosecution you can say that the mara lago prosecution is based on established law that one harder to make the argument, on this one is not this is clearly a political prosecution in my view second the gag order is a standard device use
with at a time where he feels that he is forcibly gagged and cannot say anything but full like michael cohen and others are allowed to say whatever they want and however, they want, jonathan turley the law professor and fox news contributor good to see you an interesting week. >> thank you. >> neil: we thought this would have a stumbling start but it seems to be going at a fast pace you've heard the trump legal folk saying that it is almost like a rush job going on here what do you...
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well, stormy daniels and michael cohen have certainly had some pretty fulsome criticisms of donald trump. some pretty personal ones in stormy daniels case that they haven't held back. and there are questions like, is that fair? >> but again, because of what he absolutely right to ask if it's fair. but there hasn't been a riot at their command either. >> so i think that's exactly i think the question and the concern here is in part the pushback from donald trump, whether you're getting a tweeted at are pushed out on social media. >> the question is, when he puts out a statement his followers act on that sometimes and their frustration and their anger and that's the concern is when he puts out something that might be critical of whether it is what is a member of a jury or a family member of those involved in the case. the concern is how well his followers respond to that. so i think it's proper to discourage him from speaking out during this case, and i hope that his attorneys urged him to use his discretion when he's tweeting alumnis, you know, in some ways politically, he should view the
well, stormy daniels and michael cohen have certainly had some pretty fulsome criticisms of donald trump. some pretty personal ones in stormy daniels case that they haven't held back. and there are questions like, is that fair? >> but again, because of what he absolutely right to ask if it's fair. but there hasn't been a riot at their command either. >> so i think that's exactly i think the question and the concern here is in part the pushback from donald trump, whether you're...
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michael cohen was pleased. you started to allude that to some extent this arrangement you came to at trump tower was mutually beneficial. you could explain what you meant by that. in writing positive stories about mr. trump and writing negative stores about his opponents it would increase news stand sales for the "national enquirer" so for me that was my benefit and then in publishing the stories it would benefit his campaign. brag team, the portion of the agreement that involved notifying mr. cohen about negativetories about women, what was the objective of that. david pecker, as i did in the past, when i notified michael cohen of a negative story, he would try to vet it himself to see if it is true or not and then go to the individual publication to make sure it wasn't getting published an getting killed. brag team, prior to that meeting have you ever purchased atory to the to print it? pecker, no. brag team. and how did that part of it, not publishing the stories help you? pecker, it didn't. crazy. >> fake f
michael cohen was pleased. you started to allude that to some extent this arrangement you came to at trump tower was mutually beneficial. you could explain what you meant by that. in writing positive stories about mr. trump and writing negative stores about his opponents it would increase news stand sales for the "national enquirer" so for me that was my benefit and then in publishing the stories it would benefit his campaign. brag team, the portion of the agreement that involved...
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then if it comes down to just michael cohen saying he did know, it will be a michael cohen versus donald trump and the jury will have to decide who they believe more. >> bill: trump's attorneys said just tell us. the judge said i won't make that order. see you tomorrow morning. today is tomorrow morning. >> dana: thank you. we'll see you next week, too. >> thank you very much. >> dana reads sports. >> dana: bill, the hawkeyes looking for a new star guard following clark's departure for the wnba and found their answer in lucy olson. she will transfer from villanova to iowa next season. she was a ncaa third leading scorer last season averaging more than 23 points per game. we'll have to wait and see if olson can bring iowa to the national title game for the third season and see if they can beat south carolina next year. >> bill: so interesting now that you can transfer. >> dana: like being in the nba. interesting. good luck, ladies. >> bill: from iowa we move to the middle east. tensions are back up yet again. officials saying in the u.s. that israel launched retaliatory strikes on iran. w
then if it comes down to just michael cohen saying he did know, it will be a michael cohen versus donald trump and the jury will have to decide who they believe more. >> bill: trump's attorneys said just tell us. the judge said i won't make that order. see you tomorrow morning. today is tomorrow morning. >> dana: thank you. we'll see you next week, too. >> thank you very much. >> dana reads sports. >> dana: bill, the hawkeyes looking for a new star guard following...
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the michaela cohen case was a federal case. when michael cohen pled guilty, the -- the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, the federal prosecutor running the office investigating cohen, prosecutingng cohen, that was a u.s. attorneyt named jeffrey berman. jeffrey berman is a lifelong republican, appointed by president trump, he worked on the trump campaign and trump transition. but after jeff berman was fired from the trump administration, after he was fired for the u.s. attorney and sdny, he wrote a book about what happened to him job, and one of the things he described in detail was about to michael cohen case. according to jeffrey bermen who was running that u.s. attorney's office, after michael cohen pled guilty and sentence tad thirty-two years in prison for this crime, president trump's appointees at the u.s. justice in f washington, the main justice, they started repeatedly reaching down into berman's office into sdny toin try to make the whole case basically go away. thisaw is from jeff berman's bo. it's called "holding the line." he says, quote, whil
the michaela cohen case was a federal case. when michael cohen pled guilty, the -- the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, the federal prosecutor running the office investigating cohen, prosecutingng cohen, that was a u.s. attorneyt named jeffrey berman. jeffrey berman is a lifelong republican, appointed by president trump, he worked on the trump campaign and trump transition. but after jeff berman was fired from the trump administration, after he was fired for the u.s....
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so with a michael cohen style witness, you don't run from the fact that michael cohen is michael cohen and you don't run from the fact that he has a shady past. you don't run from the fact that this guy is not a saint. what you do is repackage that. you might tell the jury, you're going to hear from michael cohen, and you're going to hear that he hasn't always been honest. or you might hear something to kind of front that. you frame it as we didn't choose michael cohen. you know who chose michael cohen, the defendant, donald trump. michael cohen is exactly the kind of guy this you hire to do this kind of scheme, and you frame a weakness and try to fit it back into your broader narrative, that's what i would expect the prosecution to do here. >> there's a point here, i'd like to ask vaughn about that. in the access hollywood tape to the jury, he said he didn't know he was on -- and he's also mentioning hope hicks, so these are some of the characters that we will be -- and incidents that we'll be hearing, even though the video is not going to be shown, but the transcript is available. >>
so with a michael cohen style witness, you don't run from the fact that michael cohen is michael cohen and you don't run from the fact that he has a shady past. you don't run from the fact that this guy is not a saint. what you do is repackage that. you might tell the jury, you're going to hear from michael cohen, and you're going to hear that he hasn't always been honest. or you might hear something to kind of front that. you frame it as we didn't choose michael cohen. you know who chose...
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>> no. >> then why did michael cohen -- >> you have to ask michael cohen. michael cohen is my attorney. and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> but no, you'll have to michael cohen. there was a million defrn different ways that politicians could avoid or dismiss things but he was still stuck to his blame michael cohen defense. ask him. it was all him. and he went rogue and quickly other lawyers had to come in and start changing the story. we don't know what out of court evidence they'll but using but they are going to take different parts of the timeline, the prosecutors, to show how the story shifted, which in essence is another way that you know was a cover-up. because he had the original thing and they covered it up and then in a sense they started covering up the cover-up. and then trump lawyer rudy giuliani basically went on live tv and changed the story and admitted or said trump did repay cohen. >> they funneled it through a law firm. funneled through a law firm and the president repaid it. >> oh, i didn't know, he didn't? there is no campaign finan
>> no. >> then why did michael cohen -- >> you have to ask michael cohen. michael cohen is my attorney. and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> but no, you'll have to michael cohen. there was a million defrn different ways that politicians could avoid or dismiss things but he was still stuck to his blame michael cohen defense. ask him. it was all him. and he went rogue and quickly other lawyers had to come in and start changing the story. we don't know what out of court...
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the michaelas cohen case was a federal case.ca when michael cohen pled guilty, the -- the u.s. attorney for the southern district of f new york the federal prosecutor running the office that was investigating cohen, that was prostating cohen, that was a u.s. attorney named jeffrey burr man. here is a lifelong republican. he was appointed by president trump. he worked on the trump campaign and the trump transition. but after jeff burman was fired from the trump administration, after he was fired at the u.s. attorney in sdny, he wrote a book about what happened to him in that job. and one of the things he described in detail was about the michael cohen case. according to jeffrey burman, who was running that u.s. attorneys office, after michael cohen pled guilty and was sentenced to three w years in prison for thi crime, president trump's appointees at the u.s. t department of justice in washington, the main justice, they started repeatedly reaching down into burman's office, into sdny to try to make the whole case m basically go away. this is from jeff burman's book. it's called
the michaelas cohen case was a federal case.ca when michael cohen pled guilty, the -- the u.s. attorney for the southern district of f new york the federal prosecutor running the office that was investigating cohen, that was prostating cohen, that was a u.s. attorney named jeffrey burr man. here is a lifelong republican. he was appointed by president trump. he worked on the trump campaign and the trump transition. but after jeff burman was fired from the trump administration, after he was fired...
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let's pay in cash, and michael cohen goes, no, no, no. >> let me play it. this is michael cohen. this is a 2016 recording. remember, michael cohen he gets a campaign website, a trump campaign website, which he didn't have before. supposed to be his private lawyer. and this is a conversation they have as donald trump is running for president. this is michael cohen talking about buying the rights to karen mcdougal, the former playboy bunny's story. take a listen. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all that info regarding our friend david. i spoke to allen about it. when it comes time for the financing -- >> what financing? >> we'll have to pay. >> cash? >> no, no, no. >> jill, they're going to try to impeach michael cohen, but cohen i'm sure has more of that. he's on the phone with him saying i need to do the thing i'm accused of doing. >> not only that. one, he's pled guilty. two, they have done a very skillful opening statement. and by calling david pecker as the first witness, they are building the structure that will then lead to the supporting beams and the det
let's pay in cash, and michael cohen goes, no, no, no. >> let me play it. this is michael cohen. this is a 2016 recording. remember, michael cohen he gets a campaign website, a trump campaign website, which he didn't have before. supposed to be his private lawyer. and this is a conversation they have as donald trump is running for president. this is michael cohen talking about buying the rights to karen mcdougal, the former playboy bunny's story. take a listen. >> i need to open up...
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and when he called cohen to tell them, cohen responded, the boss would be very pleased even though the allegation was disproven. he testified i made the decision to purchase the story because of the potential embarrassment it would have to the campaign. and mr. trump steinglass also asked pecker about another catch and kill scheme, buying former playboy model karen mcdougal story about an alleged year long relationship with trump. pecker described a phone call he had with trump after his colleague interviewed mcdougal, pecker said, i told him, i think you should buy it and trump responded saying, anytime you do anything like this, it always gets out he said he would think about it and pecker would hear from cohen, trump denies having an affair with mcdougal the morning started with a contentious hearing to determine if trump violated a gag order, not to talk about jurors or witnesses after he did so in social media posts, almost a dozen times which to me is totally constitutional. >> trump's lawyer, todd blanche said the order was not clear about reposts, and he tried to argue that the
and when he called cohen to tell them, cohen responded, the boss would be very pleased even though the allegation was disproven. he testified i made the decision to purchase the story because of the potential embarrassment it would have to the campaign. and mr. trump steinglass also asked pecker about another catch and kill scheme, buying former playboy model karen mcdougal story about an alleged year long relationship with trump. pecker described a phone call he had with trump after his...
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corroborating michael cohen before it has to be solely on michael cohen shoulder. and that's why again, peckers doing a terrific job for the prosecution and messy. >> there's also this moment where they're talking about the story that the doorman was alleging, which apparently was false. but he had a story and pecker said he was just going to hold it. and then if it turned out to be true, he would run it after the election. why is that significant? >> this is one of the most significant point it's, it's all about tying this back. this, these actions back specifically to the election because the prosecution has to show the furtherance of another crime, presumably violation of election laws, campaign finance laws. they have to eliminate that defense of i would kill the story for any other reason just because i'm a high-profile they'll person when it's directly tied to the election planting of stories against political opponents is different than killing a story about your personal life. clearly that shows motivation related to the election and jake, that's why this s
corroborating michael cohen before it has to be solely on michael cohen shoulder. and that's why again, peckers doing a terrific job for the prosecution and messy. >> there's also this moment where they're talking about the story that the doorman was alleging, which apparently was false. but he had a story and pecker said he was just going to hold it. and then if it turned out to be true, he would run it after the election. why is that significant? >> this is one of the most...
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michael cohen had receipts to back this up. he brought copies of the checks given to him to reimburse him for making the illegal payment. checks signed in some cases by donald j. trump. many of them signed while trump was in the white house. it was all an amazing spectacle. right? many presidents maybe got involved in a campaign finance scandal. but illegal money paid to two mistresses with one of them signed in the white house? a, gross, b, not your typical presidential scandal. like we are already in unprecedented territory here. but that's not the most important point. the federal case, michael cohen coming clean, saying what happened. that left in its wake not just like a slimy trail of yuck don't let the kids read the news anymore. it left in its wake one legitimately baffling question. which was, wait now, who is getting in trouble for this now? who is the one person getting in trouble for this crime? just michael cohen? really? he is going to federal prison for years and he is the only one? why is he the only one? you kn
michael cohen had receipts to back this up. he brought copies of the checks given to him to reimburse him for making the illegal payment. checks signed in some cases by donald j. trump. many of them signed while trump was in the white house. it was all an amazing spectacle. right? many presidents maybe got involved in a campaign finance scandal. but illegal money paid to two mistresses with one of them signed in the white house? a, gross, b, not your typical presidential scandal. like we are...
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michael cohen didn't run for president. michael cohen went to jail. it feels like that is a basic topic sentence under which a lot of these witnesses will be supporting that story and that plot with their testimony. >> right. i think the idea is to almost not quite extract michael cohen but to build the evidence around him. he will probably come at the end in terms of of a witness. even today, i'm still struck by the new information that came out. we'll have narrators throughout. we heard about text messages that went back and forthwith the "national enquirer" when they went out to see karen mcdougal, one of the women who had a relationship with donald trump. they were trying to confirm if the story was true. there was an election night, a pledge that went back and for the between one of the lawyers involved that was representing karen mcdougal. we'll see a lot of that come through. and david pecker was not on the stand for very long. but just hearing the details that we got, the idea that they would, if a story, reporters were given about $10,000 to
michael cohen didn't run for president. michael cohen went to jail. it feels like that is a basic topic sentence under which a lot of these witnesses will be supporting that story and that plot with their testimony. >> right. i think the idea is to almost not quite extract michael cohen but to build the evidence around him. he will probably come at the end in terms of of a witness. even today, i'm still struck by the new information that came out. we'll have narrators throughout. we heard...
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that michael cohen was true? truly acting on donald trump's behalf, you can't assume you're right maybe michael cohen was just a free agent and michael collins not super reliable, but the chain here is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who essentially hands him off to michael conferences. cohen is going to handle this youtube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days one of the things though that david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong in the stand, was that according to him trump was very detailed oriented and actually paid attention to a lot of the mundane details of this transaction. he's not saying that he was aware that the line item was a legal fee, but he's indicating trump was very much involved in this. and what you just read, john also backs that up that according to cohen and we're oh, and will probably testifies that donald trump is breathing down his neck. very closely following the karen mcdougal. >> he talked about how he would sit with trump
that michael cohen was true? truly acting on donald trump's behalf, you can't assume you're right maybe michael cohen was just a free agent and michael collins not super reliable, but the chain here is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who essentially hands him off to michael conferences. cohen is going to handle this youtube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days one of the things though that david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong in...
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most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting n't assume you're right. you maybe michael cohewas just a free agent michael cohen, it's not super reliable, but the chaihere is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who eentiallyands hioff to micel cohensays, cohen's going to handle th yoube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen ca you back in a few ys. one of e things though david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong the stand, was that according to him trump was very detailed oriented and acally paid attention to a this transaction. he's not saying that he was aware that the line item was a legal fee, but he's indicating trump was very much involved in this. and what you just read, john also backs that up,hat accordg to cohen and we're cen will probably testifies that dold trump isreathing down his neck very closely following the ren mcdougal he talked aut how he would sit with ump in trumtower on t
most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting n't assume you're right. you maybe michael cohewas just a free agent michael cohen, it's not super reliable, but the chaihere is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who eentiallyands hioff to micel cohensays, cohen's going to handle th yoube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen ca you back in a few ys. one of e things though david pecker...
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how to pay michael cohen, pay stormy daniels through michael cohen, and cover it up. i don't think that their argument that there was this ironclad wall between trump and his business during the presidency holds up. certainly wasn't true this a legal sense and a practical sense too. information about the business was kept from them. >> and eli, how does reporting square with what we have learned from cohen, for example, and the story the prosecutor and the defense laid out today. they were different stories. >> well, if you're talking about how this relates back to the election, what we know, and what we knew at the time was that this happened in the context of a very close race with a month or so to go until election day and polls starting to show the race moving away from trump after the first debate with hillary clinton, and so you can really see in the way the campaign reacted to it that, you know, this was something that they were concerned about. people very close to trump thought the race was over. thought he was going to have to drop out. or sort of politely u
how to pay michael cohen, pay stormy daniels through michael cohen, and cover it up. i don't think that their argument that there was this ironclad wall between trump and his business during the presidency holds up. certainly wasn't true this a legal sense and a practical sense too. information about the business was kept from them. >> and eli, how does reporting square with what we have learned from cohen, for example, and the story the prosecutor and the defense laid out today. they...
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why would it include cohen? the trump team would argue he's going on television, saying whatever he wants. >> it's all witnesses. cohen is shameless. he's not going to be intimidated. he wants to testify. but there may be other witnesses who say oh, no, look what he's doing to cohen. i'm up next, he's going to go it to me. it's about witnesses and cohen just happens to be one. >> it's too hard to make a carve out. thank you very much. i know you're sticking around in case we have anything. lisa rubin, thank you as well. >>> what can a lawyer realistly advise a client like trump and what do they do when he lashes out perhaps in front of a jury? plus, what is happening on college campuses across the country as pro palestinian protestors try to essentially shutdown the schools. to essent shutdown the schools nothing dims my light like a migraine. with nurtec odt, i found relief. the only migraine medication that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migra
why would it include cohen? the trump team would argue he's going on television, saying whatever he wants. >> it's all witnesses. cohen is shameless. he's not going to be intimidated. he wants to testify. but there may be other witnesses who say oh, no, look what he's doing to cohen. i'm up next, he's going to go it to me. it's about witnesses and cohen just happens to be one. >> it's too hard to make a carve out. thank you very much. i know you're sticking around in case we have...
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he then shifted to trump's former lawyer, cohen, who he says this quote obsessed with trump& that cohen's financial livelihood depends on trump's destruction. david was the first witness to be called shortly before he took the stand. prosecutors referred to him as a coconspirator for helping trump tried to cover up his alleged affair tomorrow before the jury returns to the courtroom, there'll be a hearing about the gag order in this case. prosecutors alleged trump has violated this gag order over a half a dozen times. and this gag order prevents trump from attacking people involved in this case, like witnesses and the jury he is also barred from attacking family members of the prosecutors and the judge, though we can freely attack the judge or the district attorney, alvin bragg the app through that hearing will come back in the courtroom and david we back on stand. >> erin. all right. paula, thank you very much there in lower manhattan and our experts they're all here on set together right now. so joey jackson, let me start with you. opening statements are crucial. in some senses for many
he then shifted to trump's former lawyer, cohen, who he says this quote obsessed with trump& that cohen's financial livelihood depends on trump's destruction. david was the first witness to be called shortly before he took the stand. prosecutors referred to him as a coconspirator for helping trump tried to cover up his alleged affair tomorrow before the jury returns to the courtroom, there'll be a hearing about the gag order in this case. prosecutors alleged trump has violated this gag...
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michael cohen. so, there is really michael cohen was steering it and our client really just said, the minimal. so, that's what they're going to have to do if that audio, the defense, but clearly the prosecution is going to say, look, detail oriented, micromanager, listen to the tape, it speaks for itself. >> one thing that occurred to me when i listened to this again yesterday, this gets at the heart of beyond a reasonable doubt, right? you can make an argument as catherine just did on both sides of this, but in the context of the trial, what will the jury find as most believable, beyond a reasonable doubt? >> you can certainly almost always make an argument on both sides of any question. the question is can you make a credible argument on both sides? you're playing one audiotape. and it is important. but it is not going to be by itself determinative, chris. it will be important to corroborate what cohen says, it will be important to corroborate what pecker says, and it may corroborate what other pe
michael cohen. so, there is really michael cohen was steering it and our client really just said, the minimal. so, that's what they're going to have to do if that audio, the defense, but clearly the prosecution is going to say, look, detail oriented, micromanager, listen to the tape, it speaks for itself. >> one thing that occurred to me when i listened to this again yesterday, this gets at the heart of beyond a reasonable doubt, right? you can make an argument as catherine just did on...
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so cohen put up the money, colangelo's argued trump, cohen and former trump organization cfo allen weisselberg agreed cohen would be paid back in monthly installments through fake invoices to the trump organization. prosecutor your said key witnesses like cohen have made mistakes in the past and encourage the jury to keep an open mind and carefully evaluate all of the evidence that corroborates michael cohen's testimony, then it was trump's attorneys turn blanche said the da's office should never have brought this case he said the prosecution story is not true, and the jury will find plenty of reasonable doubt. he pivoted to paint trump as a husband and father, saying he's a person just like you and just like me, trump's team suggested the payments trump made to cohen. we're not a payback for funds paid to stormy daniels, but instead payments to his personal attorney trump defended himself against these charges after chord on monday puts an invoice or whatever and they paid nick or legal expense, i got indicted for that land shifted blame to cohen saying the reality is mr. trump is not on the
so cohen put up the money, colangelo's argued trump, cohen and former trump organization cfo allen weisselberg agreed cohen would be paid back in monthly installments through fake invoices to the trump organization. prosecutor your said key witnesses like cohen have made mistakes in the past and encourage the jury to keep an open mind and carefully evaluate all of the evidence that corroborates michael cohen's testimony, then it was trump's attorneys turn blanche said the da's office should...