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the michaela cohen case was a federal case. when michael cohen pled guilty, the -- the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, the federal prosecutor running the office investigating cohen, prosecutingng cohen, that was a u.s. attorneyt named jeffrey berman. jeffrey berman is a lifelong republican, appointed by president trump, he worked on the trump campaign and trump transition. but after jeff berman was fired from the trump administration, after he was fired for the u.s. attorney and sdny, he wrote a book about what happened to him job, and one of the things he described in detail was about to michael cohen case. according to jeffrey bermen who was running that u.s. attorney's office, after michael cohen pled guilty and sentence tad thirty-two years in prison for this crime, president trump's appointees at the u.s. justice in f washington, the main justice, they started repeatedly reaching down into berman's office into sdny toin try to make the whole case basically go away. thisaw is from jeff berman's bo. it's called "holding the line." he says, quote, whil
the michaela cohen case was a federal case. when michael cohen pled guilty, the -- the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, the federal prosecutor running the office investigating cohen, prosecutingng cohen, that was a u.s. attorneyt named jeffrey berman. jeffrey berman is a lifelong republican, appointed by president trump, he worked on the trump campaign and trump transition. but after jeff berman was fired from the trump administration, after he was fired for the u.s....
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but i want to ask you about michael cohen. michael cohen knows he has a credibility problem. michael cohen has spent a lot of time with these prosecutors, right? they've had the conversations but he took a profane swipe at trump on x. wrote among other things you are attacks stink of desperation. we are all hoping you take the stand in your defense. if you're the prosecutor who's calling cohen to the stand, what are you thinking when you see that? >> i'm thinking michael cohen, please shut up. please just do your testifying in the courtroom, but the prosecutor does not control michael cohen. i'm not sure anyone controls michael cohen. so he's not doing the prosecution that he favors in a way that makes his testimony even more credible. although we know at the same time, that he now des dispiezs trump. with regard to the testimony of cohen, they want to hit it and quit it. >> paul and danny, i don't know what the rest of the trial holds when they reconvene on thursday, but the start of this has been pretty dog gone interesting. thank you both. i'm sure we'll speak again very s
but i want to ask you about michael cohen. michael cohen knows he has a credibility problem. michael cohen has spent a lot of time with these prosecutors, right? they've had the conversations but he took a profane swipe at trump on x. wrote among other things you are attacks stink of desperation. we are all hoping you take the stand in your defense. if you're the prosecutor who's calling cohen to the stand, what are you thinking when you see that? >> i'm thinking michael cohen, please...
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so with a michael cohen style witness, you don't run from the fact that michael cohen is michael cohen and you don't run from the fact that he has a shady past. you don't run from the fact that this guy is not a saint. what you do is repackage that. you might tell the jury, you're going to hear from michael cohen, and you're going to hear that he hasn't always been honest. or you might hear something to kind of front that. you frame it as we didn't choose michael cohen. you know who chose michael cohen, the defendant, donald trump. michael cohen is exactly the kind of guy this you hire to do this kind of scheme, and you frame a weakness and try to fit it back into your broader narrative, that's what i would expect the prosecution to do here. >> there's a point here, i'd like to ask vaughn about that. in the access hollywood tape to the jury, he said he didn't know he was on -- and he's also mentioning hope hicks, so these are some of the characters that we will be -- and incidents that we'll be hearing, even though the video is not going to be shown, but the transcript is available. >>
so with a michael cohen style witness, you don't run from the fact that michael cohen is michael cohen and you don't run from the fact that he has a shady past. you don't run from the fact that this guy is not a saint. what you do is repackage that. you might tell the jury, you're going to hear from michael cohen, and you're going to hear that he hasn't always been honest. or you might hear something to kind of front that. you frame it as we didn't choose michael cohen. you know who chose...
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>> no. >> then why did michael cohen -- >> you have to ask michael cohen. michael cohen is my attorney. and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> but no, you'll have to michael cohen. there was a million defrn different ways that politicians could avoid or dismiss things but he was still stuck to his blame michael cohen defense. ask him. it was all him. and he went rogue and quickly other lawyers had to come in and start changing the story. we don't know what out of court evidence they'll but using but they are going to take different parts of the timeline, the prosecutors, to show how the story shifted, which in essence is another way that you know was a cover-up. because he had the original thing and they covered it up and then in a sense they started covering up the cover-up. and then trump lawyer rudy giuliani basically went on live tv and changed the story and admitted or said trump did repay cohen. >> they funneled it through a law firm. funneled through a law firm and the president repaid it. >> oh, i didn't know, he didn't? there is no campaign finan
>> no. >> then why did michael cohen -- >> you have to ask michael cohen. michael cohen is my attorney. and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> but no, you'll have to michael cohen. there was a million defrn different ways that politicians could avoid or dismiss things but he was still stuck to his blame michael cohen defense. ask him. it was all him. and he went rogue and quickly other lawyers had to come in and start changing the story. we don't know what out of court...
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the michaelas cohen case was a federal case.ca when michael cohen pled guilty, the -- the u.s. attorney for the southern district of f new york the federal prosecutor running the office that was investigating cohen, that was prostating cohen, that was a u.s. attorney named jeffrey burr man. here is a lifelong republican. he was appointed by president trump. he worked on the trump campaign and the trump transition. but after jeff burman was fired from the trump administration, after he was fired at the u.s. attorney in sdny, he wrote a book about what happened to him in that job. and one of the things he described in detail was about the michael cohen case. according to jeffrey burman, who was running that u.s. attorneys office, after michael cohen pled guilty and was sentenced to three w years in prison for thi crime, president trump's appointees at the u.s. t department of justice in washington, the main justice, they started repeatedly reaching down into burman's office, into sdny to try to make the whole case m basically go away. this is from jeff burman's book. it's called
the michaelas cohen case was a federal case.ca when michael cohen pled guilty, the -- the u.s. attorney for the southern district of f new york the federal prosecutor running the office that was investigating cohen, that was prostating cohen, that was a u.s. attorney named jeffrey burr man. here is a lifelong republican. he was appointed by president trump. he worked on the trump campaign and the trump transition. but after jeff burman was fired from the trump administration, after he was fired...
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let's pay in cash, and michael cohen goes, no, no, no. >> let me play it. this is michael cohen. this is a 2016 recording. remember, michael cohen he gets a campaign website, a trump campaign website, which he didn't have before. supposed to be his private lawyer. and this is a conversation they have as donald trump is running for president. this is michael cohen talking about buying the rights to karen mcdougal, the former playboy bunny's story. take a listen. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all that info regarding our friend david. i spoke to allen about it. when it comes time for the financing -- >> what financing? >> we'll have to pay. >> cash? >> no, no, no. >> jill, they're going to try to impeach michael cohen, but cohen i'm sure has more of that. he's on the phone with him saying i need to do the thing i'm accused of doing. >> not only that. one, he's pled guilty. two, they have done a very skillful opening statement. and by calling david pecker as the first witness, they are building the structure that will then lead to the supporting beams and the det
let's pay in cash, and michael cohen goes, no, no, no. >> let me play it. this is michael cohen. this is a 2016 recording. remember, michael cohen he gets a campaign website, a trump campaign website, which he didn't have before. supposed to be his private lawyer. and this is a conversation they have as donald trump is running for president. this is michael cohen talking about buying the rights to karen mcdougal, the former playboy bunny's story. take a listen. >> i need to open up...
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and when he called cohen to tell them, cohen responded, the boss would be very pleased even though the allegation was disproven. he testified i made the decision to purchase the story because of the potential embarrassment it would have to the campaign. and mr. trump steinglass also asked pecker about another catch and kill scheme, buying former playboy model karen mcdougal story about an alleged year long relationship with trump. pecker described a phone call he had with trump after his colleague interviewed mcdougal, pecker said, i told him, i think you should buy it and trump responded saying, anytime you do anything like this, it always gets out he said he would think about it and pecker would hear from cohen, trump denies having an affair with mcdougal the morning started with a contentious hearing to determine if trump violated a gag order, not to talk about jurors or witnesses after he did so in social media posts, almost a dozen times which to me is totally constitutional. >> trump's lawyer, todd blanche said the order was not clear about reposts, and he tried to argue that the
and when he called cohen to tell them, cohen responded, the boss would be very pleased even though the allegation was disproven. he testified i made the decision to purchase the story because of the potential embarrassment it would have to the campaign. and mr. trump steinglass also asked pecker about another catch and kill scheme, buying former playboy model karen mcdougal story about an alleged year long relationship with trump. pecker described a phone call he had with trump after his...
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and you keep all michael cohen, you have the focus entirely cohen. and if you might say something subtle like you're going to learn there are some motivations that would make stormy daniels a suspect witness to, but you don't you don't delve into fighting the women that are part of this is it doesn't matter. >> todd blanche obviously, launching a much more aggressive assault and he just said to the jury that stormy daniels, quote, has no idea about the business records at issue in this case, and he said stormy daniels testimony i'll salacious does not matter. anderson jake, thanks very much. >> back here with kaitlan collins. paula reid in new york just to pick up on that, going after stormy daniels. >> here's another update. it's not a scheme unless a scheme means something that doesn't matter. that's not illegal. blanche says of the catch and kill agreement with and there is nothing illegal about the caching killer so agreement as sleazy as it may be, exactly the argument way this case to be framed by the prosecution is that this was an effort to h
and you keep all michael cohen, you have the focus entirely cohen. and if you might say something subtle like you're going to learn there are some motivations that would make stormy daniels a suspect witness to, but you don't you don't delve into fighting the women that are part of this is it doesn't matter. >> todd blanche obviously, launching a much more aggressive assault and he just said to the jury that stormy daniels, quote, has no idea about the business records at issue in this...
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said contact with cohen, so he would talk to michael cohen, david talked to michael cohen if there was an issue, they could talk every day. >> exactly. we need to know that there is some sort of catch and kill pattern which aren't to establish that already. we know that there was some sort of maybe awareness if not, of the cook, the books, but at least awareness in terms of the micromanagement that he would have had or knowledge about what was actually on his different invoices. >> the prosecutor asked david if he knows. hope hicks? yes, i do. packer said so this is the first time the trump campaign aide and white house aide, hope hicks her name is brought up are expecting hope hicks at some point to be called as a witness. she was involved according to the prosecution in some of these conversations in one way or another, when it comes to paying michael cohen two after he paid allegedly stormy daniels. >> so while i hope hicks is so important is about the fallout of the access hollywood fall out. other allegation patients. what was the containment principles about where they trying to
said contact with cohen, so he would talk to michael cohen, david talked to michael cohen if there was an issue, they could talk every day. >> exactly. we need to know that there is some sort of catch and kill pattern which aren't to establish that already. we know that there was some sort of maybe awareness if not, of the cook, the books, but at least awareness in terms of the micromanagement that he would have had or knowledge about what was actually on his different invoices. >>...
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corroborating michael cohen before it has to be solely on michael cohen shoulder. and that's why again, peckers doing a terrific job for the prosecution and messy. >> there's also this moment where they're talking about the story that the doorman was alleging, which apparently was false. but he had a story and pecker said he was just going to hold it. and then if it turned out to be true, he would run it after the election. why is that significant? >> this is one of the most significant point it's, it's all about tying this back. this, these actions back specifically to the election because the prosecution has to show the furtherance of another crime, presumably violation of election laws, campaign finance laws. they have to eliminate that defense of i would kill the story for any other reason just because i'm a high-profile they'll person when it's directly tied to the election planting of stories against political opponents is different than killing a story about your personal life. clearly that shows motivation related to the election and jake, that's why this s
corroborating michael cohen before it has to be solely on michael cohen shoulder. and that's why again, peckers doing a terrific job for the prosecution and messy. >> there's also this moment where they're talking about the story that the doorman was alleging, which apparently was false. but he had a story and pecker said he was just going to hold it. and then if it turned out to be true, he would run it after the election. why is that significant? >> this is one of the most...
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michael cohen had receipts to back this up. he brought copies of the checks given to him to reimburse him for making the illegal payment. checks signed in some cases by donald j. trump. many of them signed while trump was in the white house. it was all an amazing spectacle. right? many presidents maybe got involved in a campaign finance scandal. but illegal money paid to two mistresses with one of them signed in the white house? a, gross, b, not your typical presidential scandal. like we are already in unprecedented territory here. but that's not the most important point. the federal case, michael cohen coming clean, saying what happened. that left in its wake not just like a slimy trail of yuck don't let the kids read the news anymore. it left in its wake one legitimately baffling question. which was, wait now, who is getting in trouble for this now? who is the one person getting in trouble for this crime? just michael cohen? really? he is going to federal prison for years and he is the only one? why is he the only one? you kn
michael cohen had receipts to back this up. he brought copies of the checks given to him to reimburse him for making the illegal payment. checks signed in some cases by donald j. trump. many of them signed while trump was in the white house. it was all an amazing spectacle. right? many presidents maybe got involved in a campaign finance scandal. but illegal money paid to two mistresses with one of them signed in the white house? a, gross, b, not your typical presidential scandal. like we are...
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michael cohen didn't run for president. michael cohen went to jail. it feels like that is a basic topic sentence under which a lot of these witnesses will be supporting that story and that plot with their testimony. >> right. i think the idea is to almost not quite extract michael cohen but to build the evidence around him. he will probably come at the end in terms of of a witness. even today, i'm still struck by the new information that came out. we'll have narrators throughout. we heard about text messages that went back and forthwith the "national enquirer" when they went out to see karen mcdougal, one of the women who had a relationship with donald trump. they were trying to confirm if the story was true. there was an election night, a pledge that went back and for the between one of the lawyers involved that was representing karen mcdougal. we'll see a lot of that come through. and david pecker was not on the stand for very long. but just hearing the details that we got, the idea that they would, if a story, reporters were given about $10,000 to
michael cohen didn't run for president. michael cohen went to jail. it feels like that is a basic topic sentence under which a lot of these witnesses will be supporting that story and that plot with their testimony. >> right. i think the idea is to almost not quite extract michael cohen but to build the evidence around him. he will probably come at the end in terms of of a witness. even today, i'm still struck by the new information that came out. we'll have narrators throughout. we heard...
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cohen and the story of michael cohen checks it out. it says these two people are employees of trump-world tower. it gets back to them and then david says he'll check out the store, but you say this is not necessarily a campaign country remember, citizens united dealt with the case where somebody, a documentary film maker made a film attacking hillary clinton, trying to make her look bad right before the election and that was held to not be a in-kind campaign contribution when media company does something like that expense, money, significant amount of money in that case, millions of dollars to produce something that could change people's opinions of the election to help their preferred candidate that was constitutionally protected, free speech. so that's that's what it's buying somebody silence. the same thing as free speech not free and it's not speech. >> it hasn't, it's an interesting question that should be tested. >> david says he called michael cohen because of the 2015 meeting he agreed to notify cone of anything he heard, quote
cohen and the story of michael cohen checks it out. it says these two people are employees of trump-world tower. it gets back to them and then david says he'll check out the store, but you say this is not necessarily a campaign country remember, citizens united dealt with the case where somebody, a documentary film maker made a film attacking hillary clinton, trying to make her look bad right before the election and that was held to not be a in-kind campaign contribution when media company does...
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cohen would tell him who to go after, and the magazine would do it. pecker admitted the enquirer fabricated a story falsely linking cruz's father with the kennedy assassination. pecker testifying they took a picture of cruz and a picture of lee harvey oswald and matched the two together, adding, that's how the story was prepared, created, i would say. trump running with the fake story about cruz's father. >> what was he doing with lee harvey oswald shortly before the death, before the ooting? it's horrible. >> reporter: pecker told the jury he was convinced women could come forward with stories to sell because trump was the most eligible bachelor and dated the most beautiful women. trump perking up at that description. and then visibly purr tuperturb as pecker started to detail one example. the story of karen mcdougall, who claims to have had a year-long affair with trump, which he denies. when he learned mcdougall was trying to sell her story in june 2016, pecker said he immediately called cohen. he said he and cohen were already talking a couple tim
cohen would tell him who to go after, and the magazine would do it. pecker admitted the enquirer fabricated a story falsely linking cruz's father with the kennedy assassination. pecker testifying they took a picture of cruz and a picture of lee harvey oswald and matched the two together, adding, that's how the story was prepared, created, i would say. trump running with the fake story about cruz's father. >> what was he doing with lee harvey oswald shortly before the death, before the...
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that michael cohen was true? truly acting on donald trump's behalf, you can't assume you're right maybe michael cohen was just a free agent and michael collins not super reliable, but the chain here is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who essentially hands him off to michael conferences. cohen is going to handle this youtube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days one of the things though that david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong in the stand, was that according to him trump was very detailed oriented and actually paid attention to a lot of the mundane details of this transaction. he's not saying that he was aware that the line item was a legal fee, but he's indicating trump was very much involved in this. and what you just read, john also backs that up that according to cohen and we're oh, and will probably testifies that donald trump is breathing down his neck. very closely following the karen mcdougal. >> he talked about how he would sit with trump
that michael cohen was true? truly acting on donald trump's behalf, you can't assume you're right maybe michael cohen was just a free agent and michael collins not super reliable, but the chain here is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who essentially hands him off to michael conferences. cohen is going to handle this youtube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days one of the things though that david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong in...
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cohen has pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations and lying under oath. the prosecutors pre-emptively defending him today saying he made mistakes in the past to protect his boss. >> and laura is here with me on the set alongside hallie jackson. laura, let me begin with you. the first witness on the stand right now, does it give us any hint where all this is leading? >> yes. tabloid mogul david pecker is at that 2015 meeting at trump tower as we mentioned. he's useful for prosecutors because he puts mr. trump in the room for this alleged plot. he's also useful because his name is not michael cohen and his testimony will continue tomorrow, lester. >> all right, laura, thank you. and hallie, this is a partisan prosecution in the opinion of mr. trump. >> yeah, that's what his campaign's been saying. and in some ways what we just heard in court, what laura has laid out, echoes what we have also heard from mr. trump himself on the campaign trail. his defense, casting him as a fighter, aggressively attacking central players in this case. familiar themes. now, th
cohen has pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations and lying under oath. the prosecutors pre-emptively defending him today saying he made mistakes in the past to protect his boss. >> and laura is here with me on the set alongside hallie jackson. laura, let me begin with you. the first witness on the stand right now, does it give us any hint where all this is leading? >> yes. tabloid mogul david pecker is at that 2015 meeting at trump tower as we mentioned. he's useful for...
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even though he apparently never paid michael cohen this way before, coincidentally, after michael cohen on his own volition and his own reasons, decided to take out a home equity line of credit to pay a pornography star that he himself never met and never had sex with. coincidentally after michael cohen did that out of the goodness of his heart, for his own mysterious reasons that have nothing to do with donald trump, coincidentally after that happened, trump decided to start a new way of paying us on temblor that involved 35,000 other checks he signed in the oval office. it was all a coincidence and none of it had anything to do with the election. maybe. we will see. we will talk tonight about what prosecutors said about how they came up with a payment plan to cohen , personally, i unintentionally loudly snorted in court when i heard this, which was not polite and annoyed the person sitting next to me. i will apologize and explain. we will talk about the first witness whose name is david they like to test our maturity as broadcasters. he was the ceo of the company that used to run the
even though he apparently never paid michael cohen this way before, coincidentally, after michael cohen on his own volition and his own reasons, decided to take out a home equity line of credit to pay a pornography star that he himself never met and never had sex with. coincidentally after michael cohen did that out of the goodness of his heart, for his own mysterious reasons that have nothing to do with donald trump, coincidentally after that happened, trump decided to start a new way of...
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most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting n't assume you're right. you maybe michael cohewas just a free agent michael cohen, it's not super reliable, but the chaihere is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who eentiallyands hioff to micel cohensays, cohen's going to handle th yoube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen ca you back in a few ys. one of e things though david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong the stand, was that according to him trump was very detailed oriented and acally paid attention to a this transaction. he's not saying that he was aware that the line item was a legal fee, but he's indicating trump was very much involved in this. and what you just read, john also backs that up,hat accordg to cohen and we're cen will probably testifies that dold trump isreathing down his neck very closely following the ren mcdougal he talked aut how he would sit with ump in trumtower on t
most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting n't assume you're right. you maybe michael cohewas just a free agent michael cohen, it's not super reliable, but the chaihere is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who eentiallyands hioff to micel cohensays, cohen's going to handle th yoube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen ca you back in a few ys. one of e things though david pecker...
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how to pay michael cohen, pay stormy daniels through michael cohen, and cover it up. i don't think that their argument that there was this ironclad wall between trump and his business during the presidency holds up. certainly wasn't true this a legal sense and a practical sense too. information about the business was kept from them. >> and eli, how does reporting square with what we have learned from cohen, for example, and the story the prosecutor and the defense laid out today. they were different stories. >> well, if you're talking about how this relates back to the election, what we know, and what we knew at the time was that this happened in the context of a very close race with a month or so to go until election day and polls starting to show the race moving away from trump after the first debate with hillary clinton, and so you can really see in the way the campaign reacted to it that, you know, this was something that they were concerned about. people very close to trump thought the race was over. thought he was going to have to drop out. or sort of politely u
how to pay michael cohen, pay stormy daniels through michael cohen, and cover it up. i don't think that their argument that there was this ironclad wall between trump and his business during the presidency holds up. certainly wasn't true this a legal sense and a practical sense too. information about the business was kept from them. >> and eli, how does reporting square with what we have learned from cohen, for example, and the story the prosecutor and the defense laid out today. they...
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michael cohen was pleased. you started to allude that to some extent this arrangement you came to at trump tower was mutually beneficial. you could explain what you meant by that. in writing positive stories about mr. trump and writing negative stores about his opponents it would increase news stand sales for the "national enquirer" so for me that was my benefit and then in publishing the stories it would benefit his campaign. brag team, the portion of the agreement that involved notifying mr. cohen about negativetories about women, what was the objective of that. david pecker, as i did in the past, when i notified michael cohen of a negative story, he would try to vet it himself to see if it is true or not and then go to the individual publication to make sure it wasn't getting published an getting killed. brag team, prior to that meeting have you ever purchased atory to the to print it? pecker, no. brag team. and how did that part of it, not publishing the stories help you? pecker, it didn't. crazy. >> fake f
michael cohen was pleased. you started to allude that to some extent this arrangement you came to at trump tower was mutually beneficial. you could explain what you meant by that. in writing positive stories about mr. trump and writing negative stores about his opponents it would increase news stand sales for the "national enquirer" so for me that was my benefit and then in publishing the stories it would benefit his campaign. brag team, the portion of the agreement that involved...
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why would it include cohen? the trump team would argue he's going on television, saying whatever he wants. >> it's all witnesses. cohen is shameless. he's not going to be intimidated. he wants to testify. but there may be other witnesses who say oh, no, look what he's doing to cohen. i'm up next, he's going to go it to me. it's about witnesses and cohen just happens to be one. >> it's too hard to make a carve out. thank you very much. i know you're sticking around in case we have anything. lisa rubin, thank you as well. >>> what can a lawyer realistly advise a client like trump and what do they do when he lashes out perhaps in front of a jury? plus, what is happening on college campuses across the country as pro palestinian protestors try to essentially shutdown the schools. to essent shutdown the schools nothing dims my light like a migraine. with nurtec odt, i found relief. the only migraine medication that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migra
why would it include cohen? the trump team would argue he's going on television, saying whatever he wants. >> it's all witnesses. cohen is shameless. he's not going to be intimidated. he wants to testify. but there may be other witnesses who say oh, no, look what he's doing to cohen. i'm up next, he's going to go it to me. it's about witnesses and cohen just happens to be one. >> it's too hard to make a carve out. thank you very much. i know you're sticking around in case we have...
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he then shifted to trump's former lawyer, cohen, who he says this quote obsessed with trump& that cohen's financial livelihood depends on trump's destruction. david was the first witness to be called shortly before he took the stand. prosecutors referred to him as a coconspirator for helping trump tried to cover up his alleged affair tomorrow before the jury returns to the courtroom, there'll be a hearing about the gag order in this case. prosecutors alleged trump has violated this gag order over a half a dozen times. and this gag order prevents trump from attacking people involved in this case, like witnesses and the jury he is also barred from attacking family members of the prosecutors and the judge, though we can freely attack the judge or the district attorney, alvin bragg the app through that hearing will come back in the courtroom and david we back on stand. >> erin. all right. paula, thank you very much there in lower manhattan and our experts they're all here on set together right now. so joey jackson, let me start with you. opening statements are crucial. in some senses for many
he then shifted to trump's former lawyer, cohen, who he says this quote obsessed with trump& that cohen's financial livelihood depends on trump's destruction. david was the first witness to be called shortly before he took the stand. prosecutors referred to him as a coconspirator for helping trump tried to cover up his alleged affair tomorrow before the jury returns to the courtroom, there'll be a hearing about the gag order in this case. prosecutors alleged trump has violated this gag...
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michael cohen. so, there is really michael cohen was steering it and our client really just said, the minimal. so, that's what they're going to have to do if that audio, the defense, but clearly the prosecution is going to say, look, detail oriented, micromanager, listen to the tape, it speaks for itself. >> one thing that occurred to me when i listened to this again yesterday, this gets at the heart of beyond a reasonable doubt, right? you can make an argument as catherine just did on both sides of this, but in the context of the trial, what will the jury find as most believable, beyond a reasonable doubt? >> you can certainly almost always make an argument on both sides of any question. the question is can you make a credible argument on both sides? you're playing one audiotape. and it is important. but it is not going to be by itself determinative, chris. it will be important to corroborate what cohen says, it will be important to corroborate what pecker says, and it may corroborate what other pe
michael cohen. so, there is really michael cohen was steering it and our client really just said, the minimal. so, that's what they're going to have to do if that audio, the defense, but clearly the prosecution is going to say, look, detail oriented, micromanager, listen to the tape, it speaks for itself. >> one thing that occurred to me when i listened to this again yesterday, this gets at the heart of beyond a reasonable doubt, right? you can make an argument as catherine just did on...
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so cohen put up the money, colangelo's argued trump, cohen and former trump organization cfo allen weisselberg agreed cohen would be paid back in monthly installments through fake invoices to the trump organization. prosecutor your said key witnesses like cohen have made mistakes in the past and encourage the jury to keep an open mind and carefully evaluate all of the evidence that corroborates michael cohen's testimony, then it was trump's attorneys turn blanche said the da's office should never have brought this case he said the prosecution story is not true, and the jury will find plenty of reasonable doubt. he pivoted to paint trump as a husband and father, saying he's a person just like you and just like me, trump's team suggested the payments trump made to cohen. we're not a payback for funds paid to stormy daniels, but instead payments to his personal attorney trump defended himself against these charges after chord on monday puts an invoice or whatever and they paid nick or legal expense, i got indicted for that land shifted blame to cohen saying the reality is mr. trump is not on the
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yeah, michael cohen has baggage. they told him to keep them keep an open mind and to look at some of the documents and other evidence that would corroborate cohen's testimony. no trump's team also took some hits at stormy daniels. she is also expected to testify in this case they said that hur testimony i'll salacious. it doesn't matter because she has nothing to do with how these records were allegedly falsified in treated on the books of the trump organization and donald trump's personal in a ledger. so trying to knock down what will be some of the key witness testimony in this case as they tried to defend president trump and get the jury to return a verdict of not guilty. jake tara, we also learn more today about how donald trump's defense attorneys are going to try to distance trump from this alleged crime. tell us more about that so trump's attorneys are saying that the former president was not involved with how these records were allegedly falsified. >> remember this is both the invoices we will cohen submitted
yeah, michael cohen has baggage. they told him to keep them keep an open mind and to look at some of the documents and other evidence that would corroborate cohen's testimony. no trump's team also took some hits at stormy daniels. she is also expected to testify in this case they said that hur testimony i'll salacious. it doesn't matter because she has nothing to do with how these records were allegedly falsified in treated on the books of the trump organization and donald trump's personal in a...
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michael cohen is a public figure. stormy daniels is a public figure, but these jurors are not public figures and private information is already leaking out about these people. and i think the judge quite properly is going to be very concerned about making sure these people can stay to the end. and not just throw their hands up and say, i'm not i'm not going to be part of this. sorry, everyone. >> thanks. karen mentioned, judge them or sean, we want to bring in johnny jones, the form the third, the former chief judge for the us middle district of pennsylvania, joe jones. appreciate you being back with us. what was your biggest takeaway from opening statements? >> well, it's interesting i think the opening statements we're not unexpected there's a lot that the prosecution didn't say and i'm curious about that i think they're kind of playing hide the ball, not inappropriately with some witnesses. i agree with your panelists and hope hicks this is going to be a very interesting and, maybe a pivotal witness to tie the form
michael cohen is a public figure. stormy daniels is a public figure, but these jurors are not public figures and private information is already leaking out about these people. and i think the judge quite properly is going to be very concerned about making sure these people can stay to the end. and not just throw their hands up and say, i'm not i'm not going to be part of this. sorry, everyone. >> thanks. karen mentioned, judge them or sean, we want to bring in johnny jones, the form the...
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>> michael cohen. this is the first witness is starting to testify. the david helped trump's case russia's new it girl, stink television now fawning over marjorie taylor greene, even though she tried but failed to sink american aid to ukraine. here what they are thank tonight about quote-unquote moscow, marjorie and melania trump. now selling more jewelry. >> is it to help her husband pay his legal fees let's go out the front and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett outfront tonight. we begin with trump's trials spilling out of the courtroom on a de, when the prosecution and defense laid out their cases for the first time to 12 jurors and the six alternates in the room. and it's on this momentous de that former president trump and his former fixer, michael cohen, are now in a free-for-all? know did actually start in the courtroom. >> it was during opening statements, trump was watching as his lawyers were tearing into the key wetness they said, quote, his entire financial livelihood depends on president trump's destruction referring to cohen so that was
>> michael cohen. this is the first witness is starting to testify. the david helped trump's case russia's new it girl, stink television now fawning over marjorie taylor greene, even though she tried but failed to sink american aid to ukraine. here what they are thank tonight about quote-unquote moscow, marjorie and melania trump. now selling more jewelry. >> is it to help her husband pay his legal fees let's go out the front and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett outfront...
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making the deal with michael cohen, something he says happened in august 2015 with cohen and then campaign communications director hope hicks in the room, was a win-win. the enquirer would publish negative stories about trump's opponents which they did repeatedly, particularly when ben carson, ted cruz, and marco rubio started rising in the polls in the spring of 2016. at the same time, running positive stories featuring donald trump as the ideal next president of the united states, which they also did throughout that year. pecker was personally invited by cohen to trump's presidential announcement in trump tower. and he hoped to financially benefit from how many magazines the pro-trump and anti-trump competitor issues would sell. a total win-win. he also testified that once trump announced his presidential bid, that he was in constant communication with michael cohen, as pecker and a small group of ami editors kept their eyes and ears pealed for stories that could be damaging to trump so they could catch them and kill them before they were published anywhere else. at least before the elec
making the deal with michael cohen, something he says happened in august 2015 with cohen and then campaign communications director hope hicks in the room, was a win-win. the enquirer would publish negative stories about trump's opponents which they did repeatedly, particularly when ben carson, ted cruz, and marco rubio started rising in the polls in the spring of 2016. at the same time, running positive stories featuring donald trump as the ideal next president of the united states, which they...
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that is michael cohen is a l liar, so what? my response to that is so what in that what do we need to believe michael cohen for ? in order to get to a verdict here, what is the credibility issue i as a juror needed to have with michael cohen? here are the checks, here is the allen weisselberg notes, here's stormy daniels lawyer testifying that michael cohen and i put it all together. there's michael cohen's $130,000.00 going to that lawyer. there's stormy daniels setting i got $130,000.00. er i don't know what it matters. i don't get why michael cohen, why his credibility would matter since all of the facts of the money movement he is involved with our established before he opens his mouth. >> so, that is exactly what the state is going to argue in summation. you are going to hear the defense say if that is true, why did they call him? he has a ton of baggage. they are saying they really need him. he can provide evidence about he says donald trump knew that the scheme was to have these false business records. remember everythin
that is michael cohen is a l liar, so what? my response to that is so what in that what do we need to believe michael cohen for ? in order to get to a verdict here, what is the credibility issue i as a juror needed to have with michael cohen? here are the checks, here is the allen weisselberg notes, here's stormy daniels lawyer testifying that michael cohen and i put it all together. there's michael cohen's $130,000.00 going to that lawyer. there's stormy daniels setting i got $130,000.00. er i...
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she's going to corroborate michael cohen corroborates michael cohen, michael cohen corroborates it's from my standpoint, this is an overwhelming case you have you have the documents as well. >> and so calm and of course, he's got to get up and any any good opposing counsel is going to impeach him, any witness that is on the stand is open. two impeachment to cast light on their character for untruthfulness. so we know that's going to happen. and it's no surprise. there. but all the other elements, the other testimony will hear the recorded phone conversations and the documents all hang together and corroborate the evidence that the people are presented but don't forget, we haven't heard all the evidence. >> just the opening. >> it's funded it's attackers, one day one of what will be four to six weeks of this trial. >> everyone stand for us. we've got some breaking news coming up. we're now getting word that one of trump's co-defendants in his class if i documents case was told that he would be pardoned once trump was elected. but what does that mean for that case? and we have more bre
she's going to corroborate michael cohen corroborates michael cohen, michael cohen corroborates it's from my standpoint, this is an overwhelming case you have you have the documents as well. >> and so calm and of course, he's got to get up and any any good opposing counsel is going to impeach him, any witness that is on the stand is open. two impeachment to cast light on their character for untruthfulness. so we know that's going to happen. and it's no surprise. there. but all the other...
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none of this would have happened if michael cohen robert mueller hadn't spoken years ago. it's the reason it's coming to fruition because michael cohen at one point has said in the past he would take a bullet for donald trump. he described himself as donald trump's pit bull that pit bull has flipped on donald trump. if michael cohen had never said anything to prosecutors years ago, none of this would have ever happened. this was donald trump's fixer, byron. this was the guy that when the situations like this would happen, michael cohen would make them go away. it's all because of him that donald trump's in court. >> in laymen's convicted liar. this guy has lied a lot but you can believe him here. >> they owned it in opening statements. we know michael cohen has gone to jail. we know he did this. he know he has lived for donald trump. but here is the thing. it still happened. he still did it. and now he is speaking the truth. he's got the records to back it up. and when he gets on that stand, not only are prosecutors going to have to deal with that, as soon as he is done on
none of this would have happened if michael cohen robert mueller hadn't spoken years ago. it's the reason it's coming to fruition because michael cohen at one point has said in the past he would take a bullet for donald trump. he described himself as donald trump's pit bull that pit bull has flipped on donald trump. if michael cohen had never said anything to prosecutors years ago, none of this would have ever happened. this was donald trump's fixer, byron. this was the guy that when the...
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because michael cohen is out there tweeting constantly. there is nothing donald trump is going to say in any of these interviews, short of saying, hey michael, when you testify, we're going to kill you short of saying that he's not going to say anything that's going to intimidate michael cohen or in any way affect these proceedings. so i do think that there's an argument to be made that especially when michael cohen is out there, kind of inviting this through his own commentary that it is too broad. now, i don't think this judge is going to necessarily sit there and say, oh, you know what, you're right, you violated this order. and now i see that it's been too broad, so okay. i'm just going to pull the order back. then. i'm going to happen now. it's it's good maybe for an appeal but if the judge is going to put them straight into rikers island i don't think that the appeals court is going to deal with it quickly enough for the idea of what a punishment could possibly be. and again, we're waiting to hear what the judge actually is going to
because michael cohen is out there tweeting constantly. there is nothing donald trump is going to say in any of these interviews, short of saying, hey michael, when you testify, we're going to kill you short of saying that he's not going to say anything that's going to intimidate michael cohen or in any way affect these proceedings. so i do think that there's an argument to be made that especially when michael cohen is out there, kind of inviting this through his own commentary that it is too...
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he didn't respond directly to cohen. he did it publicly on a public forum and it has the potential to threaten the integrity of the criminal proceeding. >> back to vaughn for a moment. i understand there has been some interaction between the attorney for donald trump and the judge? what's happening? >> reporter: judge merchan dissatisfied with the answer that todd blanche is giving him when it comes to the specifics about what donald trump's intentions were. we're now under the third social media post, a direct mention of stormy daniels in an article related to her. and in which todd blanche is defending his client, donald trump, by saying that stormy daniels is broadcasting on twitter, talking to the press, having documentaries and that donald trump should be able to respond to the words that she is saying. and how critical she is of him to which judge merchan fired up in response and says, quote, i am asking a question. i keep asking you over and over to give me an example and i'm not getting an answer, saying that it
he didn't respond directly to cohen. he did it publicly on a public forum and it has the potential to threaten the integrity of the criminal proceeding. >> back to vaughn for a moment. i understand there has been some interaction between the attorney for donald trump and the judge? what's happening? >> reporter: judge merchan dissatisfied with the answer that todd blanche is giving him when it comes to the specifics about what donald trump's intentions were. we're now under the...
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how when i spoke to michael cohen, that's how we would are fertile. donald trump as the box. >> this is important about this being a campaign meeting. this is being about the campaign and protecting campaign because that is the argument we have heard. heard from a lot of the former president's supporters who say, look, he was concerned about his wife finding out the embarrassment of that didn't want to upset her this was not there was no mention of that in this meeting was all about the case and pecker and just once that pecker talks about that pecker talks about for a campaign why this issue of women could be important. steinglass asked, can you explain to the jury how the topic of women in particular came up? pecker says, well, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a number, a lot of women come out to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known and the most eligible bachelor and data most beautiful women. and it was clear based on my past experience that when someone is running for public office like
how when i spoke to michael cohen, that's how we would are fertile. donald trump as the box. >> this is important about this being a campaign meeting. this is being about the campaign and protecting campaign because that is the argument we have heard. heard from a lot of the former president's supporters who say, look, he was concerned about his wife finding out the embarrassment of that didn't want to upset her this was not there was no mention of that in this meeting was all about the...
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he'd call michael cohen and asked michael cohen what to do. and michael cohen according to david pecker and will hear the cross-examine and what michael cohen has to say about this. but he would say well, let me call the boss and see what he wants to do with the karen mcdougal story with it? other stories. >> what do you want to do about this? >> ironically, this is the kind of scandal that the national enquirer, one of exposed in almost any other scenario. the enquirer had a history for all its flaws, for all of its faults of reporting on politicians on both sides of the aisle. for exposing scandals and controversies and polit politicians. >> words they didn't in this. >> example but instead pecker because he was go ahead, are long relationship with trump and saw a benefit to that enquirer decided to pick a horse, right aside to get in line with trump and create a pro-trump propaganda outlet, which is really what the enquirer was. but he's never fessed up to this until today in court it's not just that part. i mean, if it were just that, then
he'd call michael cohen and asked michael cohen what to do. and michael cohen according to david pecker and will hear the cross-examine and what michael cohen has to say about this. but he would say well, let me call the boss and see what he wants to do with the karen mcdougal story with it? other stories. >> what do you want to do about this? >> ironically, this is the kind of scandal that the national enquirer, one of exposed in almost any other scenario. the enquirer had a...
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cohen to bring a copy of a bank statement showing the $130,000 payment that cohen had made to keep stormy daniels quiet before the election. weisselberg and cohen agreed to a total repayment amount of $420,000. here's how they got to that number. this is good. they started with $130,000 that trump owed cohen for the store hawaii daniels payoff. then they added $50,000 for a separate reimbursement cohen was claiming which had to do with tech services he paid for during the campaign. that adds up to $180,000. then they agreed to double that amount to $360,000 to account for taxes. now, of course, if trump was just reimbursing cohen, there was no need to gross it up for taxes. they doubled it because their plan was to call it income instead of a reimbursement. if cohen was getting money they were calling income, he would have to pay taxes on it. cohen was close to a 50% tax bracket, so to make him whole, they had to double the amount to $360,000. then he had added another $60,000 as a year end bonus and all of that. cos out to a total of $420,000. and alan weisselberg wrote all of that down.
cohen to bring a copy of a bank statement showing the $130,000 payment that cohen had made to keep stormy daniels quiet before the election. weisselberg and cohen agreed to a total repayment amount of $420,000. here's how they got to that number. this is good. they started with $130,000 that trump owed cohen for the store hawaii daniels payoff. then they added $50,000 for a separate reimbursement cohen was claiming which had to do with tech services he paid for during the campaign. that adds up...
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cohen. this is what trump said about him as he as he was leaving the courtroom she got in trouble for things that had nothing to do with me that a troubling went to jail. >> this had nothing to do with me you're basically saying, well, it was connected to donald trump so all i'm saying is we'd the public record. >> i will i don't want to say anything at all about that comment. by mr. trump i said he's entitled to a presumption of innocence and let the jury decide on the evidence. but i do want to remind everybody, watching michael cohen for the last five plus years that i've worked with him has been attacked. his family has been threatened. i know his family i know his children, and i know has michael has stood up in front of the world publicly and owned his mistake takes if he does that in front of a jury, i believe that what judge engoron decided, i hope that the jury will decide this is a credible man who has been through a lot & owned his mistakes, and that contrition adds to his credibi
cohen. this is what trump said about him as he as he was leaving the courtroom she got in trouble for things that had nothing to do with me that a troubling went to jail. >> this had nothing to do with me you're basically saying, well, it was connected to donald trump so all i'm saying is we'd the public record. >> i will i don't want to say anything at all about that comment. by mr. trump i said he's entitled to a presumption of innocence and let the jury decide on the evidence....
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that would be michael cohen. so think of this, again, if the analogy works as a brick wall that the prosecutors are constructing. and each of the witnesses add some number of bricks to the wall. hopefully at the end of the trial, you have a big sturdy wall and the jury understands the theory of the case and accepts your evidence. and so are you trying to build up mr. cohen's credibility? you know, i think of it in a different way. you're trying to corroborate him so that even though he can be attacked and he will be on cross-examination as a convicted felon who really has a passing acquaintance with the truth, other witnesses and other documents will show the jury they can trust the overall story. >> chuck rosenberg, andrew weissmann, vaughn hillyard, thanks so much. we'll be checking back with you later in the program. >>> and as donald trump is in that new york city courtroom with david pecker, of course, on the stand, a central figure in the hush money case, president biden is traveling to florida this hour to
that would be michael cohen. so think of this, again, if the analogy works as a brick wall that the prosecutors are constructing. and each of the witnesses add some number of bricks to the wall. hopefully at the end of the trial, you have a big sturdy wall and the jury understands the theory of the case and accepts your evidence. and so are you trying to build up mr. cohen's credibility? you know, i think of it in a different way. you're trying to corroborate him so that even though he can be...
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they overpaid michael cohen so he could pay his taxes. but i think the primary theory here is that the other crime is a federal campaign finance violations and the theory is they falsified these records. it was a $130,000 payment. it campaign donation it campaign expenditure way over the limits. they falsified the records rather than calling them pay hush money payments, whatever white be an accurate accounting of it. >> they called it attorney fees, retainer, and so there's the falsification and then by falsifying those records and enabled them to essentially violate federal campaign finance laws. >> there's a lot of gray area. i agree that but try the case where there was any gray area in your whole career, you never tried to case when you will prosecuting another human being, where it was up in the air or it wasn't in the indictment, what exactly you are charging them with evidence every every case i tried had gray are the other ones pled out i mean, that's why you have a trial. no, no, no, no. but the charge number, the elements of th
they overpaid michael cohen so he could pay his taxes. but i think the primary theory here is that the other crime is a federal campaign finance violations and the theory is they falsified these records. it was a $130,000 payment. it campaign donation it campaign expenditure way over the limits. they falsified the records rather than calling them pay hush money payments, whatever white be an accurate accounting of it. >> they called it attorney fees, retainer, and so there's the...
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does that defense says whatever you do, just don't believe michael cohen but cohen, he may be on the roster, but it was david who was first at-bat. the x publisher of the national enquirer. and it key player in so-called catch and kill schemes to bury negative stories on trump. and he left us with quite a cliffhanger he apparently has a secret email account for things he didn't want even his assistance to see, quote, is it fair to say you had one unkind for general purposes and one for purposes that you didn't want other people to have access to? >> they that's correct the was an expert in shocking stories about famous people. but even he apparently had stories that he wanted to keep secret. i wonder if they'll include something about the defendant let's talk about now a cnn legal analyst and former deputy assistant attorney general for legislative affairs, elliott williams and former federal prosecutor, jean ross. he is also a defense counsel. let's start here with you, elliott, because look, we are seeing everything takes shape. we're calling it the hush money trial the prosecutors
does that defense says whatever you do, just don't believe michael cohen but cohen, he may be on the roster, but it was david who was first at-bat. the x publisher of the national enquirer. and it key player in so-called catch and kill schemes to bury negative stories on trump. and he left us with quite a cliffhanger he apparently has a secret email account for things he didn't want even his assistance to see, quote, is it fair to say you had one unkind for general purposes and one for purposes...
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trump was asking michael cohen did we hear anything yet? also testified that trump called him directly about the mcdougall story but then the candidate saying i spoke to michael and, quote, he told me about karen and trump said to me, what do you think? p ecker he said trump to push the mcdougall story pick former edison are will resume his testimony we have the day off tomorrow for the trial but we already know how the story ends, the inquirer paid mcdougall 150 grand for the rights to her story and her silence but, here's the asterisk, which is great, trump was supposed to repay p ecker, he wasn't just doing this as charity. he was the pass-through, if you will. but trump did what he always does, he stiffed him on the bill $150,000, which is why michael cohen was the one forced to pay stormy daniels out of his own pocket. that, of course, is why trump was ultimately in court today. msnbc legal correspondent wasn't watching from inside the courtroom, andrew rice also in the courtroom today, he is a writer near magazine where he just profil
trump was asking michael cohen did we hear anything yet? also testified that trump called him directly about the mcdougall story but then the candidate saying i spoke to michael and, quote, he told me about karen and trump said to me, what do you think? p ecker he said trump to push the mcdougall story pick former edison are will resume his testimony we have the day off tomorrow for the trial but we already know how the story ends, the inquirer paid mcdougall 150 grand for the rights to her...
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and has trump said -- we know he goes bad on michael cohen yesterday. what has he said about david they've been friends and allies for decades. >> it was interesting because at trial you start with their most important witness and end with your strongest typically. this gave us a witness of where this is going and it was telling from the opening statement from the prosecution that they wanted to link this directly to the election. the whole groundwork leading up to david was trump ended this catch and kill for the campaign. it was to attack political opponents. it was for david -- and this is clearly where it's going. david was asked how we operated and orchestrated the catch and kill schemes. over $10,000 that editors had to ask him if they could spend that kind of money on sources and try to get stories. he will narrate the entirety of the relationship between trump and him and the national enquirer and that's why it makes them important. >> the prosecution is hoping he will be that narrator, neal? >> absolutely. i think the aim of the prosecution and
and has trump said -- we know he goes bad on michael cohen yesterday. what has he said about david they've been friends and allies for decades. >> it was interesting because at trial you start with their most important witness and end with your strongest typically. this gave us a witness of where this is going and it was telling from the opening statement from the prosecution that they wanted to link this directly to the election. the whole groundwork leading up to david was trump ended...