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we're talking about david pecker. amanda has been friends with donald trump's since the 80s, sitting right across from him in a witness. dan, just feet away from the former president as he stares him down, giving these dirty details about this catch and kill scheme in full detail. that is what we are expecting more for up tomorrow. and that all started of course, as we've learned from the testimony in august 2015, when they made that deal between trump, michael cohen and david pecker about being the eyes and the ears of a campaign and how they were going to find the stories that were negative about trump are salacious about trump bury them and promote stories that were positive ahead of that, campaign. they went into detail about that trump tower doorman who had a story about a woman who claimed that she fathered a child or he fathered a child of hers, and then before court wrapped up and david pecker was done for the day they got into the details about another playboy playmate, karen mcdougal, who of course alleged o
we're talking about david pecker. amanda has been friends with donald trump's since the 80s, sitting right across from him in a witness. dan, just feet away from the former president as he stares him down, giving these dirty details about this catch and kill scheme in full detail. that is what we are expecting more for up tomorrow. and that all started of course, as we've learned from the testimony in august 2015, when they made that deal between trump, michael cohen and david pecker about...
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on the strand pecker said we would embellish. the tabloid went after ted cruz, as we covered through the week. cruz famously finished second only to trump in the primary there was a cover story that some might view as defamatory, cruz's father was somehow linked to the jfk assassination. i'm showing this to you as criminal evidence. i'm not showing this to you as true, in fairness to senator cruz. pecker testified in court that what you see on your screen was not only false, but they knew it was false from the start. in other words, sometimes you have something come out, it has to be corrected. this should have been corrected in advanced. it never should have run because they knew it was, quote, manufactured, according to the star witness himself. and trump used all this against cruz at the time, and cruz punched back. >> all i did is point out the fact that on the cover of the "national enquirer" there is a picture him and crazy lee harvey oswald having breakfast. now ted never denied that it was his father. instead he said dona
on the strand pecker said we would embellish. the tabloid went after ted cruz, as we covered through the week. cruz famously finished second only to trump in the primary there was a cover story that some might view as defamatory, cruz's father was somehow linked to the jfk assassination. i'm showing this to you as criminal evidence. i'm not showing this to you as true, in fairness to senator cruz. pecker testified in court that what you see on your screen was not only false, but they knew it...
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pecker donald trump has not attacked david pecker& i think it may be because he feels that pecker self has a little bit of power over him. you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody else but he's left david pecker alone, which i think is kind of curious. >> you certainly don't want to do more harm, right? is they think about cross-examine and they think about taking on pecker. you don't want to do more harm and that so you might be running yeah, it's interesting you. >> a good point. all right, guys. thank you very, very much. just ahead. the other consequential case looming over donald trump with the us supreme court preparing to hear arguments tomorrow on his claim of presidential immunity from the federal law. january 6 case we'll be right back so this to playoffs, great teammates trust each other. >> we're going to do a trust falls, stand up, trust what you're certainly up doc told you here's a dummy kinda riva support your brain health. married janet. hey, eddie, know fraser, franck. frank bred
pecker donald trump has not attacked david pecker& i think it may be because he feels that pecker self has a little bit of power over him. you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody else but he's left david pecker alone, which i think is kind of curious. >> you certainly don't want to do more harm, right? is they think about cross-examine and they think about taking on pecker. you don't want to do...
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david pecker told the court that trump was... this is done as election interference, everybody knows it, i am here instead of being able to be in pennsylvania and georgia and lots of other places campaigning. and it's very unfair. donald trump has pleaded not guilty to sa counts of falsifying business records, and denies having an alleged sexual encounter with ms daniels. meanwhile, david pecker will be back in court tomorrow. now we are joined by lachlan cartwright, one of david pecker�*s lieutenants at ami, the owners of the national enquirer, who turned source for many of the revelations that form the basis of the hush money trial, and was the originator of the catch and kill phrase. he is now a journalist at the holywood reporter. thank you forjoining us. explain your role in this. i thank you forjoining us. explain your role in this.— your role in this. i was the executive editor _ your role in this. i was the executive editor of - your role in this. i was the executive editor of the - your role in this. i was the - exec
david pecker told the court that trump was... this is done as election interference, everybody knows it, i am here instead of being able to be in pennsylvania and georgia and lots of other places campaigning. and it's very unfair. donald trump has pleaded not guilty to sa counts of falsifying business records, and denies having an alleged sexual encounter with ms daniels. meanwhile, david pecker will be back in court tomorrow. now we are joined by lachlan cartwright, one of david pecker�*s...
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as the star witness, everybody says michael cohen has, but pecker in terms of what he's revealing is pretty important. >> i agree. and i think he's i know he's going to have better credibility that michael cohen and here's a case in point. the southern district of new york spent a lot of time with both of them. the southern district of new york made a decision back to three years ago to give david pecker a non-profit because they believed him they did not make that decision. and they said to the contrary to michael cohen sentencing judge, he was not fully forth. >> how do you think that defense is going to handle david pecker? >> i think they're going to try a couple of things. one, they will attack that very non-profit, non-prosecution agreement that we've been talking about. they're going to argue this is unfair. why are you walking free when donald trump, they're trying to lock up donald trump and they're going to argue, you are trying to please the prosecutors. they gave you a sweetheart deal. you're on the palm of their hand. i think the other thing they're going to do and i don
as the star witness, everybody says michael cohen has, but pecker in terms of what he's revealing is pretty important. >> i agree. and i think he's i know he's going to have better credibility that michael cohen and here's a case in point. the southern district of new york spent a lot of time with both of them. the southern district of new york made a decision back to three years ago to give david pecker a non-profit because they believed him they did not make that decision. and they said...
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pecker. >> i think that's right on. i think pecker certainly comes off -- he introduced this whole scheme. that's giving us an introduction to what the juries are about to hear for the next six weeks. it is also someone that i think has a favorable view of trump and has been a longtime friend of trump. it's going to be interesting to see how trump's attorneys choose to cross him when they do, whether that be tomorrow or friday. sometime later this week. he is also coming off in a way that's quite grandfatherly. i think it's going to be interesting to see what they choose to approach him on, on cross examination. >> michael steele, i just kept thinking that this is a man who -- i'm not there to absorb the grandfatherly touches. he was the most eligible bachelor. he was never that. he was married. three times but still almost always married. it's going to be awkward to try to discredit him without also discrediting all of the lovely things he said about donald trump. >> yeah. it's one of those dynamics when you are lookin
pecker. >> i think that's right on. i think pecker certainly comes off -- he introduced this whole scheme. that's giving us an introduction to what the juries are about to hear for the next six weeks. it is also someone that i think has a favorable view of trump and has been a longtime friend of trump. it's going to be interesting to see how trump's attorneys choose to cross him when they do, whether that be tomorrow or friday. sometime later this week. he is also coming off in a way...
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>> and it was very clear that on a go forward basis, the pecker was to deal with cohen on these issues other than the mcdougal issue, there was no testimony that donald trump had any hadn't much contact, if any, with packer relative to the deals that are central to this case? so i think we need to see more from that discussion. and i really think what's going to happen is the issue at hand is going to be really determined by the testimony of michael cohen. and will the jury believed that testimony given this public vendetta, he has against his former boss that is an open question whether the credibility of michael cohen before a jury is going to be some something that will land with them. gym, we have to cut the conversation short because we're monitoring breaking news. we do appreciate your time. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> of course we're going to take a quick break as we monitor these protests erupting on college campuses all over the united states. >> state would see on a new central every piece of evidence tells a story how it really happened with jesse l martin sun
>> and it was very clear that on a go forward basis, the pecker was to deal with cohen on these issues other than the mcdougal issue, there was no testimony that donald trump had any hadn't much contact, if any, with packer relative to the deals that are central to this case? so i think we need to see more from that discussion. and i really think what's going to happen is the issue at hand is going to be really determined by the testimony of michael cohen. and will the jury believed that...
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pecker's testimony is that it is not generally it is not illegal to do sleazy things to influence an election shen in the way of trying to win it. and i think the big challenge for the prosecutors in this case is distinguishing between the fraud and the actual way to affect the election in an illegal way. that is different than just sort of unsavory conduct. yeah. they're clearly the prosecution is clearly with pecker trying to lay the groundwork of donald trump being somebody who would never allow for alleged fraudulent documents to be to go forward without him knowing about it, and that's clearly part of this. thank you. sorry. short, we're going to have a lot more to talk about in the next few weeks. thank you so much, kara, as well. up next the biden white house is staying far away from trump's legal problems, but what about the biden reelection campaign they tuned when you're the leader is ask the cleanup and the curation. how do you make like it never even happen happened whatever comes your way there's a pro for that serve bro like never even happened imagine a future where pl
pecker's testimony is that it is not generally it is not illegal to do sleazy things to influence an election shen in the way of trying to win it. and i think the big challenge for the prosecutors in this case is distinguishing between the fraud and the actual way to affect the election in an illegal way. that is different than just sort of unsavory conduct. yeah. they're clearly the prosecution is clearly with pecker trying to lay the groundwork of donald trump being somebody who would never...
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david pecker's statement have not been consistent. so if you have two liars that are getting a platform and can go on the alphabet soup networks at night, those that don't spell anything, only fox does, and you can't defend yourself against the lies, that a convicted liar, michael cohen is saying against you, that is the unfairness that i see here. you know, i don't know where stormy daniels falls in telling the truth or not. certainly somebody that went to prison that is your former attorney can do some real damage if you can't at least say no, this is what the truth is. you can't defend yourself. that's not just only fairness. it's an injustice and it's a reason to let this go and move on to the next. if they want to reset and say, okay, we're going to start the table all over again and from here on out, $1,000 for a thing, trump has enough to talk about. he's back on the campaign trail when he can be. he's talking american people's troubles and woes under this current administration, which is a silver lining with a gag order. >> em
david pecker's statement have not been consistent. so if you have two liars that are getting a platform and can go on the alphabet soup networks at night, those that don't spell anything, only fox does, and you can't defend yourself against the lies, that a convicted liar, michael cohen is saying against you, that is the unfairness that i see here. you know, i don't know where stormy daniels falls in telling the truth or not. certainly somebody that went to prison that is your former attorney...
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but when court resumes tomorrow morning, david pecker will be back on the witness stand. yesterday, he detailed the catch and kill agreement with trump and michael cohen to buy and bury unflattering stoies about trump during the 2016 presidential bid. with us now to talk more about this, "new york times" investigative recorder susan craig, who spent years covering trump's businesses and finances. she's also been in court every day of the trial. so, sue, let's talk about yesterday, how did pecker do and what were the highlights of his testimony? >> right, so he started in the morning, and he really took jurors through chronologically how things went. the highlight of the day talked a lot about it on air was that meeting at trump tower, where they came to this agreement where david pecker was the eyes and ears of the campaign, he would catch negative stories for trump, and pay for them, and not publish them, and then he would put out negative stories about donald trump's opponents. and it was incredible to hear just the details of this scheme. there was points, michael cohe
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as trump is signing them, pecker testifies he's simultaneously holding a conversation with pecker but also looking closely at the checks and signing them. so pecker definitely undermined blanche there, but i also want to distinguish between what i'll call the precursor to the crime and the crime itself. remember, what trump has been charged with here is 34 felony counts of falsification of business records. the conspiracy to throw the election is what makes that a felony, but the crimes itself is the falsification of the business records. david pecker's knowledge primarily pertains to that antecedent, the conspiracy. he wasn't around for the second part of the scheme. we're going to have to rely on other witnesses, other evidence, and largely michael cohen and business records to get to the evidence that proves that second part of the criminal activity that is necessary here. yes, the conspiracy is necessary to make it a felony, but first yaw got to find that trump actually intended to and knew that he was participating in falsification of business records. >> i want to play something
as trump is signing them, pecker testifies he's simultaneously holding a conversation with pecker but also looking closely at the checks and signing them. so pecker definitely undermined blanche there, but i also want to distinguish between what i'll call the precursor to the crime and the crime itself. remember, what trump has been charged with here is 34 felony counts of falsification of business records. the conspiracy to throw the election is what makes that a felony, but the crimes itself...
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and that's what they do with david pecker. so all of this testimony about this is what we would do if we learned something that could damage his candidacy. and that was explicit in this meeting that they had it's all about the election, then we would kill that story. so that's what they're proving with this test. simona, it also has the side benefit of dirty up the defendant a bit totally legitimately because it does go to this critical issue that they have to prove. but it's disgusting what they did about false statement of false stories that they would plant about his opponents. and so you kind of get this side benefit of the jury thinking wow, that's really dirty play that the defendant was engaged in with david pecker and the political world donald trump is always talking about things being rigged. but in this case, this was something being rigged in his favor i do wanna ask you, elliot, as we go forward, pecker is going to continue to take the stand. what do we expecting to hear or on thursday because some of the salaciou
and that's what they do with david pecker. so all of this testimony about this is what we would do if we learned something that could damage his candidacy. and that was explicit in this meeting that they had it's all about the election, then we would kill that story. so that's what they're proving with this test. simona, it also has the side benefit of dirty up the defendant a bit totally legitimately because it does go to this critical issue that they have to prove. but it's disgusting what...
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he made pecker testifying. he met with michael cohen and trump and pledged to run flattering stories about trump and hit jobs on trump's opponents, including a false story claiming senator ted cruz's father was involved in the jfk assassination. >> what was he doing with lee harvey oswald shortly before the death and before the shooting? it's horrible. >> pecker also offered to be the campaign's eyes and ears to alert cohen if he caught wind of any potentially damaging stories, pecker saying he told trump he tried to kill those stories so they'd never see the light of day. andrew dymburt, abc news, new york, 509. >> this morning we're taking a look at your travel forecast. new york city is experiencing some late day showers today, but it's a mild high of 70 degrees. another area we're watching, the pacific northwest for a little bit of rain as well. other places like la. looking lovely today. chicago, atlanta. we'll have temperatures in the 70s across a huge portion of the south. back here at home, it's all abo
he made pecker testifying. he met with michael cohen and trump and pledged to run flattering stories about trump and hit jobs on trump's opponents, including a false story claiming senator ted cruz's father was involved in the jfk assassination. >> what was he doing with lee harvey oswald shortly before the death and before the shooting? it's horrible. >> pecker also offered to be the campaign's eyes and ears to alert cohen if he caught wind of any potentially damaging stories,...
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david pecker was on stand for two-and-a-half hours yesterday. we'll be back on the sanne. he's expected to be on thursday after everything you saw from david pecker in from the line of questioning from prosecutors, what do you think what do you think he needs to do or they want him to do, come thursday, how much damage do you think he's going to do? he's telling a very interesting and compelling story, but everything he's told so far, while certainly immoral, while certainly dishonest is not illegal. >> here, he's talking about things that are unfortunately legal. they are unfortunately part of campaigns. the idea that people would pay money to create false information to make their opponent look bad. other campaigns have done that. the steele dossier is a good example of that with the so-called trump p tape and everything else. so it is the unfortunate reality, what they need to do is then tie that to the false business records and i don't think that they're going to be able to do that with this witness. i think he's he's doing a very good job of setting the scene and giv
david pecker was on stand for two-and-a-half hours yesterday. we'll be back on the sanne. he's expected to be on thursday after everything you saw from david pecker in from the line of questioning from prosecutors, what do you think what do you think he needs to do or they want him to do, come thursday, how much damage do you think he's going to do? he's telling a very interesting and compelling story, but everything he's told so far, while certainly immoral, while certainly dishonest is not...
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pecker's company bought the rights to the story for $150,000. but to protect trump, pecker says he never published the story. pecker's due back on the stand when the trial resumes tomorrow, a dramatic scene on a highway in oregon. >> a one year old boy is safe after being rescued by police. they say he'd been abducted by his father, who was accused of two murders and was allegedly fleeing to mexico before dying by suicide. former school resource officer elias huizar allegedly killed his ex-wife in washington state. he was also accused of another murder, believed to be his girlfriend. he previously pleaded not guilty to a child rape charge, a bizarre sight in the nation's capital. >> this city bus was seen driving across a grassy field in the u.s. navy yard, officials say the bus was empty. they say the unusual exit was authorized because the bus was taking part in a nearby event. >> time now for your wednesday weather texas and the southern plains could see storms today, but we're not expecting anything too severe. things are expected to get sev
pecker's company bought the rights to the story for $150,000. but to protect trump, pecker says he never published the story. pecker's due back on the stand when the trial resumes tomorrow, a dramatic scene on a highway in oregon. >> a one year old boy is safe after being rescued by police. they say he'd been abducted by his father, who was accused of two murders and was allegedly fleeing to mexico before dying by suicide. former school resource officer elias huizar allegedly killed his...
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now, pecker was on the stand when court adjourned yesterday. it continues tomorrow with him back on the stand and he was just getting into some spicy testimony which involved the story we have karen mcdougal, which is another playboy playmate, who alleged affair with michael cohen in 2016 and really he was just getting started about how he helped allegedly donald trump a concealed that story from the public eye. yeah. the karen mcdougal self came up just at the very amperage and grass. thank you very much for that really leaving the jury to think about for the next 24 hours or were you stay here as a father of twins? you will be very interested in this one. the good stuff this morning talking about a whole lot of seeing double the graduating class at nor one high school in pennsylvaniaill have notne not tw not even thre but 11 sets of inwins walng across the graduation stage at the en of the sool ar surprising even some of the twins themselves listen i n't rely reaze as 30, so many of until we algot wn in the fice nod oh, my gosh, there's liter
now, pecker was on the stand when court adjourned yesterday. it continues tomorrow with him back on the stand and he was just getting into some spicy testimony which involved the story we have karen mcdougal, which is another playboy playmate, who alleged affair with michael cohen in 2016 and really he was just getting started about how he helped allegedly donald trump a concealed that story from the public eye. yeah. the karen mcdougal self came up just at the very amperage and grass. thank...
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pecker testified the plan was concocted at trump tower in 2015. trump and former fixer michael cohen allegedly asked him how he could help the campaign. he told them, "i would be your eyes and ears," explaining the practice of catch and kill. the "enquirer" would buy the rights to any damaging story about trump and never publish it. prosecutors say that plan was the origin of cohen's $130,000 payment to former adult film star stormy daniels to keep her quiet about an alleged sexual encounter with trump, who denies it all. one example of catch and kill discussed in court today involved the trump building doorman, who was selling what turned out to be a fake story about trump fathering a son. pecker told the jury today he bought the story because of the potential embarrassment it would have to the campaign and mr. trump. >> david pecker is a very strong witness for the prosecution. he seems very solid on the stand. he certainly seems like he doesn't have any ax to grind with donald trump. >> reporter: on the stand, pecker said trump called him about
pecker testified the plan was concocted at trump tower in 2015. trump and former fixer michael cohen allegedly asked him how he could help the campaign. he told them, "i would be your eyes and ears," explaining the practice of catch and kill. the "enquirer" would buy the rights to any damaging story about trump and never publish it. prosecutors say that plan was the origin of cohen's $130,000 payment to former adult film star stormy daniels to keep her quiet about an alleged...
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. >> david pecker. the first witness in the new york case. >> all right, good morning, everybody. welcome to "morning joe." it's wednesday, april 24th. along with willie and me we have a member of the "the new york times" editorial board maya and sam stein. our top story has to do with pecker. >> i think you're enjoying saying his name. testimony in donald trump's hush money criminal trial is scheduled to resume tomorrow after several key developments in court yesterday. first, the judge held a hearing at the start of tuesday's proceedings on whether the former president had violated his gag order. prosecutors have asked the judge to fine him $1,000 for each violation. trump's attorney said he hasn't violated the order. he was, quote, being careful about complying with the order. but the judge expressed extreme frustration with that argument, telling his attorney saying, quote, losing all credibility with the court. any violation of the gag order in articles he repost to social media is unintentional. >
. >> david pecker. the first witness in the new york case. >> all right, good morning, everybody. welcome to "morning joe." it's wednesday, april 24th. along with willie and me we have a member of the "the new york times" editorial board maya and sam stein. our top story has to do with pecker. >> i think you're enjoying saying his name. testimony in donald trump's hush money criminal trial is scheduled to resume tomorrow after several key developments in...
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david pecker, the head of the national enquirer, acknowledging under oath that they did this ron brownstein, how remarkable was this testimony? i mean, i have to say i mean, we've known about this phenomenon, but right here it laid out in court is still, is still striking. i mean, we don't know what the impact of this trial ultimately is going to be on donald trump. i was struck there was a paul made about two weeks ago now, api national thing research center found that voters were less likely to view this as serious than the other cases they were less likely to believe he committed a crime and then the other big case like election interference, which is going to turn that supreme court hearing tomorrow. but the surprising thing about this poll was even though they thought it was less likely, he can committed a crime, the share of people who said that he would be unfit to be president if convicted was roughly the same as in the other cases that interest that suggests there is a threshold like voters are going to have if he is convicted ultimately, which is not guaranteed voters are going to
david pecker, the head of the national enquirer, acknowledging under oath that they did this ron brownstein, how remarkable was this testimony? i mean, i have to say i mean, we've known about this phenomenon, but right here it laid out in court is still, is still striking. i mean, we don't know what the impact of this trial ultimately is going to be on donald trump. i was struck there was a paul made about two weeks ago now, api national thing research center found that voters were less likely...
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david pecker is who he is. he has no problems saying that he was engaged in checkbook journalism, and, yes, he was publishing some outrageous stories, you know, and negative stories and untrue stories. so that's what he did in charge of the company that was the parent company of the national enquirer. what you want to do is plant reasonable doubt in jurors mind and distance donald trump away from pecker and cohen. it's going to be hard because pecker did testify he's known donald trump for years, and he knew him to be detailed oriented and almost a micromanager. that's hard to distance someone. if you're a micromanager and you're detail oriented, it's hard to say you are hands off. so you can expect them to do that. you can also expect them to try with mr. pecker to talk about other stories, negative stories and falsehoods that were published not at the behest of donald trump but had nothing to do with donald trump. he was in charge of the company for years. >> yeah, i was just going to say the simplest way to
david pecker is who he is. he has no problems saying that he was engaged in checkbook journalism, and, yes, he was publishing some outrageous stories, you know, and negative stories and untrue stories. so that's what he did in charge of the company that was the parent company of the national enquirer. what you want to do is plant reasonable doubt in jurors mind and distance donald trump away from pecker and cohen. it's going to be hard because pecker did testify he's known donald trump for...
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you have david pecker coming in to testify, lighthearted in the way he was testifying to the jury. there, and setting the stage or the jury prosecution asking those foundational questions, you're getting an idea of the framework of what was going on during the campaign. and donald trump and his fixtures around him, making sure that those stories were killed before they reach the public years. and i think that's going to build on the prosecution case, but also we're going to see he had the defense handle this on cross-examination because david pecker is a witness who was sort of complicit in this. he's turned state's witness, and i think that's going to be some mo for the defense to cross-examine him about his testimony. >> all right. in ron, sorry for us on all of this, imran, thanks for much for being with us this morning. i really appreciate your time thanks for adding are coming up next here. a new organization aimed at fighting disinformation. >> we're going to be joined by the former homeland security official who is back in the public eye to lead it plus the box trying to hol
you have david pecker coming in to testify, lighthearted in the way he was testifying to the jury. there, and setting the stage or the jury prosecution asking those foundational questions, you're getting an idea of the framework of what was going on during the campaign. and donald trump and his fixtures around him, making sure that those stories were killed before they reach the public years. and i think that's going to build on the prosecution case, but also we're going to see he had the...
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>> of david pecker? >> yeah. >> i think they're going to do everything they can to showhe hs a liar, what he's saying is not only ill-informed but he's doing it because he got a non pros cushion agreement. theno u.s. attorney's office ha forced a his hand, forced him there today, and he's trying to cover his bases by lying. poke holes in the case one witness at a time, and that's what they're going to be doing with david pecker probably starting tomorrow or the day after. >> well, we shall see. listen, we may know this story quite nowell, at least the broa contours of atit, but when it comes down to the actual trial, there is so much to dig into. thank you so much for your time tonight. duncan, i think we have lassoed you inav for one more block, so please stay right there. coming up at long last congress votes to send aid toon ukraine. but don't ask anyone in the republican party if this means the debate is settled. and coming up as we await judge merchan's ruling on the gag order prosecutors are sugges
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and just once that pecker talks about that, pecker talks about for a campaign, why this issue of women could be important. steinglass asked, can you explain to the jury how the topic of women in particular came up pecker says well, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a number, a lot of women come out to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known and the most eligible bachelor and date of the most beautiful women. and it was clear based on my past experience that when someone is running for public office like this, it is very common for these women to call up a magazine like the national enquirer and try to tell their stories and this was before this was before the access hollywood tape. >> so the actual, the importance of the access hollywood tape in this is that it sort of the the drumbeat got much louder about indiscretions, changed everything. because remember stormy daniels was shopping around her story and was essentially offering to sell it. >> and they argued that the price was too high and said no, that they weren't intereste
and just once that pecker talks about that, pecker talks about for a campaign, why this issue of women could be important. steinglass asked, can you explain to the jury how the topic of women in particular came up pecker says well, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a number, a lot of women come out to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known and the most eligible bachelor and date of the most beautiful women. and it was clear based on my...
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pecker is going to be talked to. they're going to say, you know, you're just supporting the candidate you wanted. that's what magazines do, right? >> kaitlan, how do you think it did on this? i'm not sure that's what all magazines do not way if people would like to have a word, but i think it's watching all of play out. it's fascinating to see david pecker sitting there in testify in this way, and they're laying the groundwork to get to something bigger obviously, with all of this and with his relationship with trump. but he met marlow. he met trump visited mar-a-lago, met him in the 80s, worked with them in the 90s, worked with him when the apprentice became a show, trump would send him apprentice ratings and they would publish them in the national enquirer. and david pecker was kinda saying it was this mutually beneficial relationship between the two of them, this two-way street. and then you he was helping promote trump. and then when he got closer to the election, he was helping bury negative stories which he had
pecker is going to be talked to. they're going to say, you know, you're just supporting the candidate you wanted. that's what magazines do, right? >> kaitlan, how do you think it did on this? i'm not sure that's what all magazines do not way if people would like to have a word, but i think it's watching all of play out. it's fascinating to see david pecker sitting there in testify in this way, and they're laying the groundwork to get to something bigger obviously, with all of this and...
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pecker responded on no. so how does that help bolster the case that this was potentially criminal interference in the presidential election. >> yeah. was that the timing of that? particular meeting helps do it because there'll be right around the time we would expect that trump would be contemplating his run gearing up for the run, worried about potential negative press and i completely agree with kaitlan here. this is the start of a story that it's really going to be extending throughout this trial. it's not actually the crux of the criminal case. the crux of the criminal case concerns how and why stormy daniels was paid through michael cohen. that's gonna be the main event for the jurors. with this is all crucial context with the jury's to understand all of everything that leads as three microbreweries with us as well. a former us attorney, michael, let's talk a little bit about pecker's testimony. he said trump was quote, frugal in his approach to money. frugal, a direct quote personally reviewing all exp
pecker responded on no. so how does that help bolster the case that this was potentially criminal interference in the presidential election. >> yeah. was that the timing of that? particular meeting helps do it because there'll be right around the time we would expect that trump would be contemplating his run gearing up for the run, worried about potential negative press and i completely agree with kaitlan here. this is the start of a story that it's really going to be extending throughout...
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that should blow up the prosecution's case right therp thprosecht theree. >> pecker testified, quote, i was the person who thoughtg wo that a lot of women would come out to try to sell t their stories because mr. trump was well known as the most eligible bachelor and datee mostd the most beautil women. >> after trump heard this, he leaneter trumd over and whisd something to his attorney, and the attorney smiled. >> it's attor a guy thing. packer testified that one time i a doorman tried to sell a storym about trump fathering a child with his housekeeperp d. wyer a >> trump's lawyer at the time, c michael cohen, said trump would take a dnaha test to prove it wasn't true and said it'd be impossible for an irish german to father a hispanic child. >> anyway. these are the kind of things celebrities and billionaires like trump deal with trump's dei financial success is largely based on his brand. >> and if his brand take s a hit, true or false, his financials take a hit. >> people will say anything forp a paycheck and people will pay money to protect their brandeoa >> and what's the fuss?
that should blow up the prosecution's case right therp thprosecht theree. >> pecker testified, quote, i was the person who thoughtg wo that a lot of women would come out to try to sell t their stories because mr. trump was well known as the most eligible bachelor and datee mostd the most beautil women. >> after trump heard this, he leaneter trumd over and whisd something to his attorney, and the attorney smiled. >> it's attor a guy thing. packer testified that one time i a...
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pecker, that one point, mr. trump said in addition to the campaign millennials need to hear about this. it's only need is for that m&ms. yes, he was concerned about melannie. he was concerned about baron because it's gotta be that the expenditure is 100% for him to become president of the united states. i'm sorry, that's wrong. that's just not the law. it does not have to be 100%. i see jeffries agreeing with me. it does not have to be 100% campaign related. those campaigns should be both. >> i wanted to predict the campaign, but also i was worried about my wife. yes. >> the campaign has to be a substantial factor, does not but three, 100% and nobody would ever be able to prove that my view of david pecker today as he was a rock solid start for the prosecutors. you're not going to win your case that the first witness, it's a mistake to try to do that. i agree that if the case ended right now, we'd have no crime made out. >> so he's sort of setting the table exactly what i think he did. >> that was really the int
pecker, that one point, mr. trump said in addition to the campaign millennials need to hear about this. it's only need is for that m&ms. yes, he was concerned about melannie. he was concerned about baron because it's gotta be that the expenditure is 100% for him to become president of the united states. i'm sorry, that's wrong. that's just not the law. it does not have to be 100%. i see jeffries agreeing with me. it does not have to be 100% campaign related. those campaigns should be both....
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david pecker was back on the stand. prosecution hoping to convince the jury that trump tried to hide damaging stories ahead of that when he 16 election. pecker testify that he's been catching and killing stories for a long time which is perfectly legal last time we checked. pecker began doing it for trump starting into any 15. he also testified under oath that trump was popular with the ladies. quote mr trump is well known as the most eligible bachelor antedated the most beautiful women. later on trump carrying his trademark stock of articles, railing against the gag order. the ice chamber they are keeping him locked up in. >> are not allowed to talk about people are allowed to talk about me. i would love to... but i'm restricted because i have a gag order. they are keeping me in the courtroom all day long while he is out there... nobody knows what he's doing. he can't put two sentences together. >> media is trying to spin this anyway they can. >> this is donald trump goading the judge to do this. i think the reason is
david pecker was back on the stand. prosecution hoping to convince the jury that trump tried to hide damaging stories ahead of that when he 16 election. pecker testify that he's been catching and killing stories for a long time which is perfectly legal last time we checked. pecker began doing it for trump starting into any 15. he also testified under oath that trump was popular with the ladies. quote mr trump is well known as the most eligible bachelor antedated the most beautiful women. later...
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without david peckere, there is no case. he is the con dude between donald trump and the national inquirer. this whole scheme rises and falls through michael cohen to donald trump and he is at the center of it and in a way, his testimony is almost blaise. we were doing this and that. but he was, the national enquirer was an arm of the trump campaign and that comes out clearly in the testimony. this doorman had an nda. david is the first witness. the most important witness. what questions do you have for him, given how thorough. it is also fairly sensational. he is so matter of fact. what would your sort of strategies be if you are trump's defense? >> a large part of this is he had immunity. what are you going to do? you are going to lie. is really the hub here and everything is spoke off of him. he is so critical to the case. i don't know if he is the center of the case. the principle of what he is saying is accurate. without him, cohen doesn't have the credibility. he needs he is so critical. i think you are starting with t
without david peckere, there is no case. he is the con dude between donald trump and the national inquirer. this whole scheme rises and falls through michael cohen to donald trump and he is at the center of it and in a way, his testimony is almost blaise. we were doing this and that. but he was, the national enquirer was an arm of the trump campaign and that comes out clearly in the testimony. this doorman had an nda. david is the first witness. the most important witness. what questions do you...
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trump called pecker. >> and pecker tried to convince trump to buy the story, but then trump said this mali anytime you do anything like this, it always gets out. >> let me think about it and i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days. what does that tell you well, it certainly is. >> you're saying fits with what we all experienced when we were covering this campaign. and despite the turn, he's taken now, michael cohen was fanatically loyal to the man he always referred to as mr. trump. and we knew that he was always out there defending his reputation, i think to marcus is point this fits with what we know oh, about how meticulously trump pays attention to his image in the media, right? he, right. while this trial was going on, he's tweeting about the details of the way he's being covered in the new york times. so to this day, i think it's very much fits with what we know about how donald trump has always very carefully managed perceptions of himself, always very carefully monitored the media coverage of himself. but it's wild to actually get this behind the scenes glimpse, ri
trump called pecker. >> and pecker tried to convince trump to buy the story, but then trump said this mali anytime you do anything like this, it always gets out. >> let me think about it and i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days. what does that tell you well, it certainly is. >> you're saying fits with what we all experienced when we were covering this campaign. and despite the turn, he's taken now, michael cohen was fanatically loyal to the man he always...
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david pecker will take the stand thursday morning. today he talked about his relationship with michael cohen. they work together to identify and suppress stories from people including former playboy model karen mcdougall and a former doorman. when asked why prosecutor why they focused on stories from women, pecker said because trump was known as an eligible bachelor who dated beautiful women. today they also revealed the state law that trump is accused of breaking while allegedly falsifying business records. any two or more persons who conspired to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office that unlocked -- by unlawful means in which conspiracies acted upon by one or more of the parties, they shall be guilty of a misdemeanour. the arguments from the office is that trump falsified internal business records to aid a conspiracy to win the 2016 presidential election. >> trace: live for us in new york. thank you. let's bring in former deputy assistant attorney general john you. great to have you on the show. you say t
david pecker will take the stand thursday morning. today he talked about his relationship with michael cohen. they work together to identify and suppress stories from people including former playboy model karen mcdougall and a former doorman. when asked why prosecutor why they focused on stories from women, pecker said because trump was known as an eligible bachelor who dated beautiful women. today they also revealed the state law that trump is accused of breaking while allegedly falsifying...
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pecker says steinglass just dives in a little deeper. so even if the vet and came back and you believe the story to be true, you would have held the story until after for the presidential election of 2016. pecker says that was the conversation. i had with michael cohen. and that's what we agreed to. >> so here's what's going on underneath. this is not going to be a case about eventually disclosing an illegal campaign contribution. this is a local new york case, and there was a new york statue that says that it is illegal for two or more people to either promote or prevent a candidate from taking office who's running for public office. so we'll get the word promotion here. so allegedly in this case, burying the stormy daniels story and& all the other stories as well. but particularly this one that's going to fall under the new york state statue. we're not getting into issues of campaign finance fraud were getting into local law violation and this case, really the funny part about it, if you could call it funny, is it's really similar to t
pecker says steinglass just dives in a little deeper. so even if the vet and came back and you believe the story to be true, you would have held the story until after for the presidential election of 2016. pecker says that was the conversation. i had with michael cohen. and that's what we agreed to. >> so here's what's going on underneath. this is not going to be a case about eventually disclosing an illegal campaign contribution. this is a local new york case, and there was a new york...
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david-pecker, i would describe mr. trump is very knowledgeable. i would describe him as a very detail-oriented, i would describe him as an almost, as a micromanager from what i saw, that he looked at every all of the aspects of whatever the issue was. neal katyal , andrew weissman, adam klasfeld, back with us. he's not a micromanager. he doesn't know who is putting what memos on what checks. >> yes, this is the standard defense when you have a leader on trial into the mechanics of the crime, it is a defense in an organized crime case, i was not on the scene, it's the defense, saying i don't know what the paperwork was, it is a standard argument that is made. of course it doesn't help that this is a small family business. we are not talking about enron, or an organized crime family, although there are some analogies that could be made. it's small. he couldn't possibly know will be a tough one given how small the group is, but testimony from a long-time friend who is saying positive things about him, that he is micromanager, is to get evidence for y
david-pecker, i would describe mr. trump is very knowledgeable. i would describe him as a very detail-oriented, i would describe him as an almost, as a micromanager from what i saw, that he looked at every all of the aspects of whatever the issue was. neal katyal , andrew weissman, adam klasfeld, back with us. he's not a micromanager. he doesn't know who is putting what memos on what checks. >> yes, this is the standard defense when you have a leader on trial into the mechanics of the...
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pecker testified the plan was concocted at trump tower in 2015. trump and former fixer michael cohen allegedly asked him how he could help the campaign. he told them, i would be your eyes and ears, explaining the practice of catch and kill. the "enquirer" would buy the rights to any damaging story about trump and never publish it. prosecutors say that plan was the origin of cohen's $130,000 payment to former adult film star stormy daniels to keep her quiet about an alleged sexual encounter with trump, who denies it all. one example of catch and kill discussed in court today involved a trump building doorman, who was selling what turned out to be a fake story about trump fathering a son. pecker told the jury today he bought the story because of the potential embarrassment it would have to the campaign and mr. trump. >> david pecker is a very strong witness for the prosecution. he seems very solid on the stand. he certainly seems like he doesn't have any axe to grind with donald trump and seems almost apologetic for having to tell this story. >> rep
pecker testified the plan was concocted at trump tower in 2015. trump and former fixer michael cohen allegedly asked him how he could help the campaign. he told them, i would be your eyes and ears, explaining the practice of catch and kill. the "enquirer" would buy the rights to any damaging story about trump and never publish it. prosecutors say that plan was the origin of cohen's $130,000 payment to former adult film star stormy daniels to keep her quiet about an alleged sexual...
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and just once that pecker talks about that pecker talks about for a campaign, why this issue of women could be important. steinglass asked, can you explain to the jury how the topic of women in particular came up pecker says well, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a number, a lot of women come out to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known and the most eligible bachelor and date of the most beautiful women. and it was clear based on my past experience that when someone is running for public office like this, it is very common for these women to call it the magazine like the national enquirer and try to sell them their stories and this was before this was before the access hollywood tape. >> so the actual, the importance of the access hollywood tape in this is that it sort of the the drumbeat got much louder about indiscretions, changed everything. because remember is stormy daniels was shopping around her story and was essentially offering to sell it and they argued that the price was too high and said no, that they weren't int
and just once that pecker talks about that pecker talks about for a campaign, why this issue of women could be important. steinglass asked, can you explain to the jury how the topic of women in particular came up pecker says well, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a number, a lot of women come out to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known and the most eligible bachelor and date of the most beautiful women. and it was clear based on my...
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>> of david-pecker? i think they are going to do everything they can to show he is a liar, that what he is saying is not only ill- informed, but he got a nonprosecution agreement, that his hand was forced, and he's trying to cover his basis by lying. it's really the only move they have. poke holes in the case, one witness at a time, and that's what they will be doing with david-pecker starting tomorrow or the day after. >> we shall see. i mean listen, we may know this story quite well, at least the broad contours of it, but when it comes to the trial, there is so much to dig in. jeremy, duncan, thank you. i think we have less of you in for one more block. so please stay right there. >>> coming up, congress, aid to ukraine, but don't ask anyone in the republican party if this means the debate is settled. >>> as we await a judge order on a gag ruling, maybe trump wants to go to prison, they suggest. more on that, next. millions of children are fighting to survive due to inequality, conflict, poverty and th
>> of david-pecker? i think they are going to do everything they can to show he is a liar, that what he is saying is not only ill- informed, but he got a nonprosecution agreement, that his hand was forced, and he's trying to cover his basis by lying. it's really the only move they have. poke holes in the case, one witness at a time, and that's what they will be doing with david-pecker starting tomorrow or the day after. >> we shall see. i mean listen, we may know this story quite...
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pecker also allegedly promising to publish positive stories about mr. trump and publish negative stories about his opponent. pecker says prior to the election, his magazines never caught and killed any stories for trump. trump has denied any sexual relationship with daniels and has pleaded not guilty to falsifying business records. trump slamming the case outside of court. >> we have a gag order, which to me is totally unconstitutional. i'm not allowed to talk, but people are allowed to talk about me. >> and that gag order trump is talking about. prosecutors have accused him of violating it. the judge held a contempt hearing on tuesday morning that got heated, ultimately saying he would not rule from the bench. reena roy, abc news, new york. >> will scott peterson get access to new dna testing in his quest for a new trial? the abc seven news i-team combed through 300 pages of documents. you'll see what our dan noyes uncovered next. plus plea deals in the deadly shooting of a home depot security guard by the victim's mother. you made a cow! actually it's
pecker also allegedly promising to publish positive stories about mr. trump and publish negative stories about his opponent. pecker says prior to the election, his magazines never caught and killed any stories for trump. trump has denied any sexual relationship with daniels and has pleaded not guilty to falsifying business records. trump slamming the case outside of court. >> we have a gag order, which to me is totally unconstitutional. i'm not allowed to talk, but people are allowed to...
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trump said pecker did not like the idea but candidate trump said pecker would get back to him in due time. wasn't a good day for the former president. before proceedings had gotten underway, the judge was scolding him over his social meeta page, which the prosecution say had breached the gag order. if they were hoping that admonishment would exchange his behavior, they might be disappointed. >> i think the gag order is totally uncongress institutional. can't even allow articles to be put in. articles over the last day and a half saying the case is a sham and it shouldn't be retried or everyone submitted. to me, a gag is totally unconstitutional. i'm not allowed to talk to people and not allowed to talk about me and they're keeping me in a courtroom, that's freezing, by the way. in a courtroom all day long sitting up as straight as i can all day long because you know what, it's a very unfair situation. christian: let's catch up with our north northwestern correspondent who's been covering the trial for us. where did the judge get to with the prosecutors's claim that he had breached th
trump said pecker did not like the idea but candidate trump said pecker would get back to him in due time. wasn't a good day for the former president. before proceedings had gotten underway, the judge was scolding him over his social meeta page, which the prosecution say had breached the gag order. if they were hoping that admonishment would exchange his behavior, they might be disappointed. >> i think the gag order is totally uncongress institutional. can't even allow articles to be put...
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the trials first witness, the men who ran the national enquirer, david pecker. you testified that he has helped catch and kill negative stories about trump for years which is not a legal the last time we checked. since it's been going on before trump was a candidate improves the arrangement was personal and not a campaign violation. that should blow up the prosecution's case right there. pecker testifying i was the person who thought that a lot of women would come out to try to sell their stories because mr trump was well known as the most eligible bachelor antedated the most beautiful women. after trump heard this he leaned over and whispered something to his attorney and the attorney smiled. it's a guy thing. pecker testified that one time a doorman tried to sell a story about trump fathering a child with his housekeeper. the lawyer at the time michael cohen said trump would take a dna test to prove it wasn't true and said it would be impossible for an irish german to father a hispanic child anyway. these are the kind of things celebrities and billionaires lik
the trials first witness, the men who ran the national enquirer, david pecker. you testified that he has helped catch and kill negative stories about trump for years which is not a legal the last time we checked. since it's been going on before trump was a candidate improves the arrangement was personal and not a campaign violation. that should blow up the prosecution's case right there. pecker testifying i was the person who thought that a lot of women would come out to try to sell their...
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this idea of friends of pecker, fops, a friend of pecker, so trump gets a free ride. it is nothing to do with journalism. in fact, david pecker is revealing himself not to be a news man. he's an advertiser, a marketering, and his product was donald trump. >> when he gave him something about an estimate of $3 million a month of free advertising. he created a magazine that was a quarterly magazine that's literally just about donald trump. he was talking about it in these weird reverential terms. he was asked what can you do to help the campaign? he's oh, i know what i can do. we're going to find all these negative stories. >> your, quote, eyes and ears. and michael cohen was the go between. to your point, this is setting up the cohen testimony. >> how is that a crime? that's what the prosecutor has to prove. catch and kill is unseemly, gross, but it's not illegal. >> that's why the new york statute that was previewed previously in the motions that were dealt with prior to this case surviving the motions to dismiss, because you know, this is important. trials don't just
this idea of friends of pecker, fops, a friend of pecker, so trump gets a free ride. it is nothing to do with journalism. in fact, david pecker is revealing himself not to be a news man. he's an advertiser, a marketering, and his product was donald trump. >> when he gave him something about an estimate of $3 million a month of free advertising. he created a magazine that was a quarterly magazine that's literally just about donald trump. he was talking about it in these weird reverential...
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so you were pecker's communications chief at ami, right? so you worked with them, you saw him, you know how all of this worked in intimate detail? so pass her testified today, he told trump he'd be as eyes and ears during the campaign. so as you're seeing the transcript of exactly what he said today, what stood out to you as you heard pecker describe the way catch and kill worked, which was pretty amazing. >> so until now, it's only been speculated how it really worked. >> but clear really outlined it under oath today, how it will play it out and the benefit to him. obviously, it was incurring goodwill with trump and having that access to him and vice-versa burring bad stories about trump highlighting his good stuff and bearing his enemies. so it was like a mutual in their minds, a win-win, i can help you. you helped me and that's pretty much how pecker operated all along. then why the inquirer has the reputation that it has. >> so stay seat to this. i know there was a key testimony for you about how trump to this agreement, this catch and
so you were pecker's communications chief at ami, right? so you worked with them, you saw him, you know how all of this worked in intimate detail? so pass her testified today, he told trump he'd be as eyes and ears during the campaign. so as you're seeing the transcript of exactly what he said today, what stood out to you as you heard pecker describe the way catch and kill worked, which was pretty amazing. >> so until now, it's only been speculated how it really worked. >> but clear...
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trump, david pecker, and michael cohen, former trump attorney formed a conspiracy, he argued, to influence the election. well, this guy is a piece of work. colangelo should be sanctioned for trying to argue that there a conspiracy here when he never charged trump with a conspiracy. you can't prove this case without proving the facts on federal election law. and this is not a big revelation to any of you, but state courts have no jurisdiction over federal election law matters. i think it's becoming clear to all of you now. plus, if they were going to start charging conspiracies to effect an election, i have a question, why wasn't hillary clinton and fusion gps charged under that same theory? the set-up, the surveillance of trump, the salacious and unverified steele dossier? all of it? for goodness sakes a million dollars went from the clinton campaign and the dnc to a law firm, perkins coie that funneled it to steele who then dug up the dirt. that was real election interference, my friends. if there's any conspiracy here, it would be, i don't know, kind of reasonable to find one inside bide
trump, david pecker, and michael cohen, former trump attorney formed a conspiracy, he argued, to influence the election. well, this guy is a piece of work. colangelo should be sanctioned for trying to argue that there a conspiracy here when he never charged trump with a conspiracy. you can't prove this case without proving the facts on federal election law. and this is not a big revelation to any of you, but state courts have no jurisdiction over federal election law matters. i think it's...
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with more testimony from david pecker. joining us now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, mia wylie, former civil attorney in new york, and hugo, covering washington and all things donald trump. joyce, i want to start with you. we've talked often about trying cases. when you have your case in chief, that primacy is how you do this. you start and end strong when it comes to the presentation of your witnesses. was it smart for the prosecution to start with david pecker thus far? >> well, it was smart, katie, and i am reminded that it was you who first said that you thought david pecker would be a great kickoff witness. i think that's the case, right? this is someone who doesn't have the baggage of a michael cohen, and who tells the origin story. he has now walked us through the election interference conspiracy. this is now patch and kill to elect trump. that's the case that the prosecution will put on. they've done a great job of giving the jury sort of the basics, the land marks and the road map that they'll move ahead on
with more testimony from david pecker. joining us now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, mia wylie, former civil attorney in new york, and hugo, covering washington and all things donald trump. joyce, i want to start with you. we've talked often about trying cases. when you have your case in chief, that primacy is how you do this. you start and end strong when it comes to the presentation of your witnesses. was it smart for the prosecution to start with david pecker thus far? >> well,...
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. >> former american media ceo and president david pecker testified today. he made a secret agreement to benefit former president donald trump's 2016 campaign. pecker testified, quote: i would be the eyes and ears, working with trump's former lawyer michael cohen to suppress negative stories about trump and publish negative stories about his opponents. including former president bill clinton and former secretary of state then presidential candidate hillary clinton. trump says this trial is benefiting his current political adversary, president joe biden. >> it's very unfair situation. we're locked up in a courtroom and this guy is out there campaigning. >> pecker testified he and cohen identified and suppressed stories from former playboy model karen macdougall and a false story from a trump tower door man. today judge juan merchan reserved his decision about whether or not trump violated the court's gag order by sharing articles online about witnesses in the case. >> names mentioned in the article. and i end up in violation of a gag order. i think it's a dis
. >> former american media ceo and president david pecker testified today. he made a secret agreement to benefit former president donald trump's 2016 campaign. pecker testified, quote: i would be the eyes and ears, working with trump's former lawyer michael cohen to suppress negative stories about trump and publish negative stories about his opponents. including former president bill clinton and former secretary of state then presidential candidate hillary clinton. trump says this trial...
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pecker. i think there is going to be a belief from a legal standpoint -- i agree, legally -- the things they are talking about that mr. trump did, whether it is hush money or these relationships, none of that is illegal. what they are getting at and what i will be interested in seeing if they can make the case, they are not saying that was legal. what they are saying is there was a criminal conspiracy to influence the election through perhaps in-kind donation at other things. mr. pecker suggested -- no one is in the courtroom reporting what we are getting -- that they were affirmatively planting stories against some of the other opponents that mr. trump faced in 2016, mr. rubio and mr. cruz and others. the question will be legally does not constitute -- >> jesse: you are saying democrat campaigns don't coordinate with the media to plant stories? >> harold: if you listen, i am saying that. just listen to me once i can. mr. pecker is openly saying, he is laying out a narrative saying they were
pecker. i think there is going to be a belief from a legal standpoint -- i agree, legally -- the things they are talking about that mr. trump did, whether it is hush money or these relationships, none of that is illegal. what they are getting at and what i will be interested in seeing if they can make the case, they are not saying that was legal. what they are saying is there was a criminal conspiracy to influence the election through perhaps in-kind donation at other things. mr. pecker...
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that's what pecker says. he said then a prosecutor had pecker confirm that the positive stories about trump were of mutual benefit? but stopping stories from being printed about trump, catching and killing stories that would have sold on the newsstand, but he killed them like karen mcdougal only benefitted the campaign and did not benefit the national enquirer. explain why that clarification was necessary because who the winner out of all this, when we look at the intent and what the purpose and goal is, you have to see, well, why are we doing this? and that's a big question. the jury's going to ask and you're going to get some of that direct evidence. but it also doesn't take a leap of faith to say, well, michael cohen's not benefiting. what is he necessarily getting directly david pecker now clears up that other piece. we're not getting in any extra money. we're not getting extra oversight. a. pardon me, more publicity for our articles. hr actually losing that publicity. so who is the person who's winning h
that's what pecker says. he said then a prosecutor had pecker confirm that the positive stories about trump were of mutual benefit? but stopping stories from being printed about trump, catching and killing stories that would have sold on the newsstand, but he killed them like karen mcdougal only benefitted the campaign and did not benefit the national enquirer. explain why that clarification was necessary because who the winner out of all this, when we look at the intent and what the purpose...