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we're talking about david pecker. amanda has been friends with donald trump's since the 80s, sitting right across from him in a witness. dan, just feet away from the former president as he stares him down, giving these dirty details about this catch and kill scheme in full detail. that is what we are expecting more for up tomorrow. and that all started of course, as we've learned from the testimony in august 2015, when they made that deal between trump, michael cohen and david pecker about being the eyes and the ears of a campaign and how they were going to find the stories that were negative about trump are salacious about trump bury them and promote stories that were positive ahead of that, campaign. they went into detail about that trump tower doorman who had a story about a woman who claimed that she fathered a child or he fathered a child of hers, and then before court wrapped up and david pecker was done for the day they got into the details about another playboy playmate, karen mcdougal, who of course alleged o
we're talking about david pecker. amanda has been friends with donald trump's since the 80s, sitting right across from him in a witness. dan, just feet away from the former president as he stares him down, giving these dirty details about this catch and kill scheme in full detail. that is what we are expecting more for up tomorrow. and that all started of course, as we've learned from the testimony in august 2015, when they made that deal between trump, michael cohen and david pecker about...
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pecker donald trump has not attacked david pecker& i think it may be because he feels that pecker self has a little bit of power over him. you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody else but he's left david pecker alone, which i think is kind of curious. >> you certainly don't want to do more harm, right? is they think about cross-examine and they think about taking on pecker. you don't want to do more harm and that so you might be running yeah, it's interesting you. >> a good point. all right, guys. thank you very, very much. just ahead. the other consequential case looming over donald trump with the us supreme court preparing to hear arguments tomorrow on his claim of presidential immunity from the federal law. january 6 case we'll be right back so this to playoffs, great teammates trust each other. >> we're going to do a trust falls, stand up, trust what you're certainly up doc told you here's a dummy kinda riva support your brain health. married janet. hey, eddie, know fraser, franck. frank bred
pecker donald trump has not attacked david pecker& i think it may be because he feels that pecker self has a little bit of power over him. you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody else but he's left david pecker alone, which i think is kind of curious. >> you certainly don't want to do more harm, right? is they think about cross-examine and they think about taking on pecker. you don't want to do...
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as the star witness, everybody says michael cohen has, but pecker in terms of what he's revealing is pretty important. >> i agree. and i think he's i know he's going to have better credibility that michael cohen and here's a case in point. the southern district of new york spent a lot of time with both of them. the southern district of new york made a decision back to three years ago to give david pecker a non-profit because they believed him they did not make that decision. and they said to the contrary to michael cohen sentencing judge, he was not fully forth. >> how do you think that defense is going to handle david pecker? >> i think they're going to try a couple of things. one, they will attack that very non-profit, non-prosecution agreement that we've been talking about. they're going to argue this is unfair. why are you walking free when donald trump, they're trying to lock up donald trump and they're going to argue, you are trying to please the prosecutors. they gave you a sweetheart deal. you're on the palm of their hand. i think the other thing they're going to do and i don
as the star witness, everybody says michael cohen has, but pecker in terms of what he's revealing is pretty important. >> i agree. and i think he's i know he's going to have better credibility that michael cohen and here's a case in point. the southern district of new york spent a lot of time with both of them. the southern district of new york made a decision back to three years ago to give david pecker a non-profit because they believed him they did not make that decision. and they said...
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>> and it was very clear that on a go forward basis, the pecker was to deal with cohen on these issues other than the mcdougal issue, there was no testimony that donald trump had any hadn't much contact, if any, with packer relative to the deals that are central to this case? so i think we need to see more from that discussion. and i really think what's going to happen is the issue at hand is going to be really determined by the testimony of michael cohen. and will the jury believed that testimony given this public vendetta, he has against his former boss that is an open question whether the credibility of michael cohen before a jury is going to be some something that will land with them. gym, we have to cut the conversation short because we're monitoring breaking news. we do appreciate your time. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> of course we're going to take a quick break as we monitor these protests erupting on college campuses all over the united states. >> state would see on a new central every piece of evidence tells a story how it really happened with jesse l martin sun
>> and it was very clear that on a go forward basis, the pecker was to deal with cohen on these issues other than the mcdougal issue, there was no testimony that donald trump had any hadn't much contact, if any, with packer relative to the deals that are central to this case? so i think we need to see more from that discussion. and i really think what's going to happen is the issue at hand is going to be really determined by the testimony of michael cohen. and will the jury believed that...
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pecker's testimony is that it is not generally it is not illegal to do sleazy things to influence an election shen in the way of trying to win it. and i think the big challenge for the prosecutors in this case is distinguishing between the fraud and the actual way to affect the election in an illegal way. that is different than just sort of unsavory conduct. yeah. they're clearly the prosecution is clearly with pecker trying to lay the groundwork of donald trump being somebody who would never allow for alleged fraudulent documents to be to go forward without him knowing about it, and that's clearly part of this. thank you. sorry. short, we're going to have a lot more to talk about in the next few weeks. thank you so much, kara, as well. up next the biden white house is staying far away from trump's legal problems, but what about the biden reelection campaign they tuned when you're the leader is ask the cleanup and the curation. how do you make like it never even happen happened whatever comes your way there's a pro for that serve bro like never even happened imagine a future where pl
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and that's what they do with david pecker. so all of this testimony about this is what we would do if we learned something that could damage his candidacy. and that was explicit in this meeting that they had it's all about the election, then we would kill that story. so that's what they're proving with this test. simona, it also has the side benefit of dirty up the defendant a bit totally legitimately because it does go to this critical issue that they have to prove. but it's disgusting what they did about false statement of false stories that they would plant about his opponents. and so you kind of get this side benefit of the jury thinking wow, that's really dirty play that the defendant was engaged in with david pecker and the political world donald trump is always talking about things being rigged. but in this case, this was something being rigged in his favor i do wanna ask you, elliot, as we go forward, pecker is going to continue to take the stand. what do we expecting to hear or on thursday because some of the salaciou
and that's what they do with david pecker. so all of this testimony about this is what we would do if we learned something that could damage his candidacy. and that was explicit in this meeting that they had it's all about the election, then we would kill that story. so that's what they're proving with this test. simona, it also has the side benefit of dirty up the defendant a bit totally legitimately because it does go to this critical issue that they have to prove. but it's disgusting what...
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david pecker was on stand for two-and-a-half hours yesterday. we'll be back on the sanne. he's expected to be on thursday after everything you saw from david pecker in from the line of questioning from prosecutors, what do you think what do you think he needs to do or they want him to do, come thursday, how much damage do you think he's going to do? he's telling a very interesting and compelling story, but everything he's told so far, while certainly immoral, while certainly dishonest is not illegal. >> here, he's talking about things that are unfortunately legal. they are unfortunately part of campaigns. the idea that people would pay money to create false information to make their opponent look bad. other campaigns have done that. the steele dossier is a good example of that with the so-called trump p tape and everything else. so it is the unfortunate reality, what they need to do is then tie that to the false business records and i don't think that they're going to be able to do that with this witness. i think he's he's doing a very good job of setting the scene and giv
david pecker was on stand for two-and-a-half hours yesterday. we'll be back on the sanne. he's expected to be on thursday after everything you saw from david pecker in from the line of questioning from prosecutors, what do you think what do you think he needs to do or they want him to do, come thursday, how much damage do you think he's going to do? he's telling a very interesting and compelling story, but everything he's told so far, while certainly immoral, while certainly dishonest is not...
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now, pecker was on the stand when court adjourned yesterday. it continues tomorrow with him back on the stand and he was just getting into some spicy testimony which involved the story we have karen mcdougal, which is another playboy playmate, who alleged affair with michael cohen in 2016 and really he was just getting started about how he helped allegedly donald trump a concealed that story from the public eye. yeah. the karen mcdougal self came up just at the very amperage and grass. thank you very much for that really leaving the jury to think about for the next 24 hours or were you stay here as a father of twins? you will be very interested in this one. the good stuff this morning talking about a whole lot of seeing double the graduating class at nor one high school in pennsylvaniaill have notne not tw not even thre but 11 sets of inwins walng across the graduation stage at the en of the sool ar surprising even some of the twins themselves listen i n't rely reaze as 30, so many of until we algot wn in the fice nod oh, my gosh, there's liter
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david pecker, the head of the national enquirer, acknowledging under oath that they did this ron brownstein, how remarkable was this testimony? i mean, i have to say i mean, we've known about this phenomenon, but right here it laid out in court is still, is still striking. i mean, we don't know what the impact of this trial ultimately is going to be on donald trump. i was struck there was a paul made about two weeks ago now, api national thing research center found that voters were less likely to view this as serious than the other cases they were less likely to believe he committed a crime and then the other big case like election interference, which is going to turn that supreme court hearing tomorrow. but the surprising thing about this poll was even though they thought it was less likely, he can committed a crime, the share of people who said that he would be unfit to be president if convicted was roughly the same as in the other cases that interest that suggests there is a threshold like voters are going to have if he is convicted ultimately, which is not guaranteed voters are going to
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you have david pecker coming in to testify, lighthearted in the way he was testifying to the jury. there, and setting the stage or the jury prosecution asking those foundational questions, you're getting an idea of the framework of what was going on during the campaign. and donald trump and his fixtures around him, making sure that those stories were killed before they reach the public years. and i think that's going to build on the prosecution case, but also we're going to see he had the defense handle this on cross-examination because david pecker is a witness who was sort of complicit in this. he's turned state's witness, and i think that's going to be some mo for the defense to cross-examine him about his testimony. >> all right. in ron, sorry for us on all of this, imran, thanks for much for being with us this morning. i really appreciate your time thanks for adding are coming up next here. a new organization aimed at fighting disinformation. >> we're going to be joined by the former homeland security official who is back in the public eye to lead it plus the box trying to hol
you have david pecker coming in to testify, lighthearted in the way he was testifying to the jury. there, and setting the stage or the jury prosecution asking those foundational questions, you're getting an idea of the framework of what was going on during the campaign. and donald trump and his fixtures around him, making sure that those stories were killed before they reach the public years. and i think that's going to build on the prosecution case, but also we're going to see he had the...
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and just once that pecker talks about that, pecker talks about for a campaign, why this issue of women could be important. steinglass asked, can you explain to the jury how the topic of women in particular came up pecker says well, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a number, a lot of women come out to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known and the most eligible bachelor and date of the most beautiful women. and it was clear based on my past experience that when someone is running for public office like this, it is very common for these women to call up a magazine like the national enquirer and try to tell their stories and this was before this was before the access hollywood tape. >> so the actual, the importance of the access hollywood tape in this is that it sort of the the drumbeat got much louder about indiscretions, changed everything. because remember stormy daniels was shopping around her story and was essentially offering to sell it. >> and they argued that the price was too high and said no, that they weren't intereste
and just once that pecker talks about that, pecker talks about for a campaign, why this issue of women could be important. steinglass asked, can you explain to the jury how the topic of women in particular came up pecker says well, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a number, a lot of women come out to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known and the most eligible bachelor and date of the most beautiful women. and it was clear based on my...
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pecker is going to be talked to. they're going to say, you know, you're just supporting the candidate you wanted. that's what magazines do, right? >> kaitlan, how do you think it did on this? i'm not sure that's what all magazines do not way if people would like to have a word, but i think it's watching all of play out. it's fascinating to see david pecker sitting there in testify in this way, and they're laying the groundwork to get to something bigger obviously, with all of this and with his relationship with trump. but he met marlow. he met trump visited mar-a-lago, met him in the 80s, worked with them in the 90s, worked with him when the apprentice became a show, trump would send him apprentice ratings and they would publish them in the national enquirer. and david pecker was kinda saying it was this mutually beneficial relationship between the two of them, this two-way street. and then you he was helping promote trump. and then when he got closer to the election, he was helping bury negative stories which he had
pecker is going to be talked to. they're going to say, you know, you're just supporting the candidate you wanted. that's what magazines do, right? >> kaitlan, how do you think it did on this? i'm not sure that's what all magazines do not way if people would like to have a word, but i think it's watching all of play out. it's fascinating to see david pecker sitting there in testify in this way, and they're laying the groundwork to get to something bigger obviously, with all of this and...
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pecker responded on no. so how does that help bolster the case that this was potentially criminal interference in the presidential election. >> yeah. was that the timing of that? particular meeting helps do it because there'll be right around the time we would expect that trump would be contemplating his run gearing up for the run, worried about potential negative press and i completely agree with kaitlan here. this is the start of a story that it's really going to be extending throughout this trial. it's not actually the crux of the criminal case. the crux of the criminal case concerns how and why stormy daniels was paid through michael cohen. that's gonna be the main event for the jurors. with this is all crucial context with the jury's to understand all of everything that leads as three microbreweries with us as well. a former us attorney, michael, let's talk a little bit about pecker's testimony. he said trump was quote, frugal in his approach to money. frugal, a direct quote personally reviewing all exp
pecker responded on no. so how does that help bolster the case that this was potentially criminal interference in the presidential election. >> yeah. was that the timing of that? particular meeting helps do it because there'll be right around the time we would expect that trump would be contemplating his run gearing up for the run, worried about potential negative press and i completely agree with kaitlan here. this is the start of a story that it's really going to be extending throughout...
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pecker, that one point, mr. trump said in addition to the campaign millennials need to hear about this. it's only need is for that m&ms. yes, he was concerned about melannie. he was concerned about baron because it's gotta be that the expenditure is 100% for him to become president of the united states. i'm sorry, that's wrong. that's just not the law. it does not have to be 100%. i see jeffries agreeing with me. it does not have to be 100% campaign related. those campaigns should be both. >> i wanted to predict the campaign, but also i was worried about my wife. yes. >> the campaign has to be a substantial factor, does not but three, 100% and nobody would ever be able to prove that my view of david pecker today as he was a rock solid start for the prosecutors. you're not going to win your case that the first witness, it's a mistake to try to do that. i agree that if the case ended right now, we'd have no crime made out. >> so he's sort of setting the table exactly what i think he did. >> that was really the int
pecker, that one point, mr. trump said in addition to the campaign millennials need to hear about this. it's only need is for that m&ms. yes, he was concerned about melannie. he was concerned about baron because it's gotta be that the expenditure is 100% for him to become president of the united states. i'm sorry, that's wrong. that's just not the law. it does not have to be 100%. i see jeffries agreeing with me. it does not have to be 100% campaign related. those campaigns should be both....
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trump called pecker. >> and pecker tried to convince trump to buy the story, but then trump said this mali anytime you do anything like this, it always gets out. >> let me think about it and i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days. what does that tell you well, it certainly is. >> you're saying fits with what we all experienced when we were covering this campaign. and despite the turn, he's taken now, michael cohen was fanatically loyal to the man he always referred to as mr. trump. and we knew that he was always out there defending his reputation, i think to marcus is point this fits with what we know oh, about how meticulously trump pays attention to his image in the media, right? he, right. while this trial was going on, he's tweeting about the details of the way he's being covered in the new york times. so to this day, i think it's very much fits with what we know about how donald trump has always very carefully managed perceptions of himself, always very carefully monitored the media coverage of himself. but it's wild to actually get this behind the scenes glimpse, ri
trump called pecker. >> and pecker tried to convince trump to buy the story, but then trump said this mali anytime you do anything like this, it always gets out. >> let me think about it and i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days. what does that tell you well, it certainly is. >> you're saying fits with what we all experienced when we were covering this campaign. and despite the turn, he's taken now, michael cohen was fanatically loyal to the man he always...
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pecker says steinglass just dives in a little deeper. so even if the vet and came back and you believe the story to be true, you would have held the story until after for the presidential election of 2016. pecker says that was the conversation. i had with michael cohen. and that's what we agreed to. >> so here's what's going on underneath. this is not going to be a case about eventually disclosing an illegal campaign contribution. this is a local new york case, and there was a new york statue that says that it is illegal for two or more people to either promote or prevent a candidate from taking office who's running for public office. so we'll get the word promotion here. so allegedly in this case, burying the stormy daniels story and& all the other stories as well. but particularly this one that's going to fall under the new york state statue. we're not getting into issues of campaign finance fraud were getting into local law violation and this case, really the funny part about it, if you could call it funny, is it's really similar to t
pecker says steinglass just dives in a little deeper. so even if the vet and came back and you believe the story to be true, you would have held the story until after for the presidential election of 2016. pecker says that was the conversation. i had with michael cohen. and that's what we agreed to. >> so here's what's going on underneath. this is not going to be a case about eventually disclosing an illegal campaign contribution. this is a local new york case, and there was a new york...
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and just once that pecker talks about that pecker talks about for a campaign, why this issue of women could be important. steinglass asked, can you explain to the jury how the topic of women in particular came up pecker says well, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a number, a lot of women come out to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known and the most eligible bachelor and date of the most beautiful women. and it was clear based on my past experience that when someone is running for public office like this, it is very common for these women to call it the magazine like the national enquirer and try to sell them their stories and this was before this was before the access hollywood tape. >> so the actual, the importance of the access hollywood tape in this is that it sort of the the drumbeat got much louder about indiscretions, changed everything. because remember is stormy daniels was shopping around her story and was essentially offering to sell it and they argued that the price was too high and said no, that they weren't int
and just once that pecker talks about that pecker talks about for a campaign, why this issue of women could be important. steinglass asked, can you explain to the jury how the topic of women in particular came up pecker says well, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a number, a lot of women come out to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known and the most eligible bachelor and date of the most beautiful women. and it was clear based on my...
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so you were pecker's communications chief at ami, right? so you worked with them, you saw him, you know how all of this worked in intimate detail? so pass her testified today, he told trump he'd be as eyes and ears during the campaign. so as you're seeing the transcript of exactly what he said today, what stood out to you as you heard pecker describe the way catch and kill worked, which was pretty amazing. >> so until now, it's only been speculated how it really worked. >> but clear really outlined it under oath today, how it will play it out and the benefit to him. obviously, it was incurring goodwill with trump and having that access to him and vice-versa burring bad stories about trump highlighting his good stuff and bearing his enemies. so it was like a mutual in their minds, a win-win, i can help you. you helped me and that's pretty much how pecker operated all along. then why the inquirer has the reputation that it has. >> so stay seat to this. i know there was a key testimony for you about how trump to this agreement, this catch and
so you were pecker's communications chief at ami, right? so you worked with them, you saw him, you know how all of this worked in intimate detail? so pass her testified today, he told trump he'd be as eyes and ears during the campaign. so as you're seeing the transcript of exactly what he said today, what stood out to you as you heard pecker describe the way catch and kill worked, which was pretty amazing. >> so until now, it's only been speculated how it really worked. >> but clear...
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pecker claimed that the story were true. it would probably be the biggest sale of the national enquirer since the death of elvis let's presley, but then admitted if it were true, he wouldn't have published the story until after the election, but before pecker even took the stand, the proceedings of began with a heated hearing on the gag order imposed on trump in this case, the prosecution asked the judge to order trump to remove specific posts. they allege violate the gag order and fine him $1,000 for each of the alleged violations and remind him that incarceration is an option. should it be necessary? but defense attorney todd blanche argue that trump did not willfully violate the gag order and claim trump believes re-posting others assertions or content is not a violation, but the hearing became heated at one point with the judge telling blanche, you're losing all credibility with the court and there was no decision from the judge on that gag order. but portably back in session on thursday, pecker will be back on the stand
pecker claimed that the story were true. it would probably be the biggest sale of the national enquirer since the death of elvis let's presley, but then admitted if it were true, he wouldn't have published the story until after the election, but before pecker even took the stand, the proceedings of began with a heated hearing on the gag order imposed on trump in this case, the prosecution asked the judge to order trump to remove specific posts. they allege violate the gag order and fine him...
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that's what pecker says. he said then a prosecutor had pecker confirm that the positive stories about trump were of mutual benefit? but stopping stories from being printed about trump, catching and killing stories that would have sold on the newsstand, but he killed them like karen mcdougal only benefitted the campaign and did not benefit the national enquirer. explain why that clarification was necessary because who the winner out of all this, when we look at the intent and what the purpose and goal is, you have to see, well, why are we doing this? and that's a big question. the jury's going to ask and you're going to get some of that direct evidence. but it also doesn't take a leap of faith to say, well, michael cohen's not benefiting. what is he necessarily getting directly david pecker now clears up that other piece. we're not getting in any extra money. we're not getting extra oversight. a. pardon me, more publicity for our articles. hr actually losing that publicity. so who is the person who's winning h
that's what pecker says. he said then a prosecutor had pecker confirm that the positive stories about trump were of mutual benefit? but stopping stories from being printed about trump, catching and killing stories that would have sold on the newsstand, but he killed them like karen mcdougal only benefitted the campaign and did not benefit the national enquirer. explain why that clarification was necessary because who the winner out of all this, when we look at the intent and what the purpose...
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and pecker gibbs prosecutors, what they want. he's going to testify hi to that. >> we also saw this hearing this morning where it was discussed whether trump violated a gag order which prevents him from talking publicly about witnesses in jurors in the case. the penalty is a. $1,000 per offense. explain why it's seems like small change for him. >> a lot of people have asked me about that as well, briana and $1,000 seems really small, but look, it's set by new york law in new york judiciary loss 7501 sets $1,000 per instance. so per statement, per comment, whatever or and, or it could be either 30 days in jail. now, it wouldn't be uncommon for a judge to start low and then work their way up to jail because you also have to remember donald trump in this case has not been formally sanctioned. it's all the other cases where he's had gag orders and so on. so it's not so surprising that that he's talking about this is what the prosecutors have asked for. they've asked for fines. now if donald trump is sanctioned, if there is one statem
and pecker gibbs prosecutors, what they want. he's going to testify hi to that. >> we also saw this hearing this morning where it was discussed whether trump violated a gag order which prevents him from talking publicly about witnesses in jurors in the case. the penalty is a. $1,000 per offense. explain why it's seems like small change for him. >> a lot of people have asked me about that as well, briana and $1,000 seems really small, but look, it's set by new york law in new york...