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of course, michael cohen. so there there's a lot to get to when court resumes tomorrow, in addition to that, we're still of course, waiting to hear how the judge is going to rule on that gag order. we still don't know with that if that ruling is going to come tomorrow or when. but certainly a lot of details there that we're waiting for our brand absolutely million of course, that ruling could come at any time and our experts are all here with me, keys, kelly, so no reporter covered david pecker longer than you have covered him? former new york post media columnist. so you know, this and you know him. he is set to take the stand again tomorrow and he's been granted immunity in exchange for this testimony, right? it wasn't that he wanted to be here necessarily, but he's gotten immunity. >> and you think that he won't hold back. >> i don't think he will. he will not hold back at all. he has nothing to lose now his immunity deal is basically he has to testify and tell the truth if he doesn't tell the truth, the de
of course, michael cohen. so there there's a lot to get to when court resumes tomorrow, in addition to that, we're still of course, waiting to hear how the judge is going to rule on that gag order. we still don't know with that if that ruling is going to come tomorrow or when. but certainly a lot of details there that we're waiting for our brand absolutely million of course, that ruling could come at any time and our experts are all here with me, keys, kelly, so no reporter covered david pecker...
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they were with michael cohen and he was operating off the books. but as you remember, jake, there were plenty of contacts, not plenty, but a few contexts between pecker and donald trump. >> le, stick around while the hush money trial resumes in new york tomorrow, the us supreme court is also going to hear arguments tomorrow on whether trump should get the ultimate trump card when it comes to some of the most scathing charges against him, the justices are facing a momentous question. they have never had to answer before. can a former president be immune from criminal liability for his actions while he was while he was in office. this all stems, of course, from trump challenging special counsel jack smith's federal for election subversion case. let's bring in cnns, audie cornish and joan biskupic. joan, do you have any insight into how you think the justices might rule? >> well, you started off, right? this is untested, but back in the 1980s, the justices did rule in a case that involved civil immunity and said that former president richard nixon at
they were with michael cohen and he was operating off the books. but as you remember, jake, there were plenty of contacts, not plenty, but a few contexts between pecker and donald trump. >> le, stick around while the hush money trial resumes in new york tomorrow, the us supreme court is also going to hear arguments tomorrow on whether trump should get the ultimate trump card when it comes to some of the most scathing charges against him, the justices are facing a momentous question. they...
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and stormy daniels sleazebags, calling michael cohen a serial perjurer. but what's happening in manhattan is not even trump's biggest legal battle of the week. tomorrow, the supreme court, the us supreme court is set to hear arguments in trump's presidential immunity case. and with me now to discuss former federal prosecutor jean rossi, as well as former chief assistant district attorney in the manhattan district attorney's office. karen friedman, agnifilo. karen is of council for a firm that represents michael cohen, but she has no contact with golan, does not work on his case. and there are no restrictions on what you can say about the case. we just wanted to make sure you knew that karen if court is not in session today, does it make it doesn't make it more likely that judge merchan is it's going to issue this ruling on trump's possible gag order violations. and if not, then when judge for sean has what's called a calendar day, all his other cases are on the calendar today, so he's dealing with those matters. he certainly could issue a ruling in this c
and stormy daniels sleazebags, calling michael cohen a serial perjurer. but what's happening in manhattan is not even trump's biggest legal battle of the week. tomorrow, the supreme court, the us supreme court is set to hear arguments in trump's presidential immunity case. and with me now to discuss former federal prosecutor jean rossi, as well as former chief assistant district attorney in the manhattan district attorney's office. karen friedman, agnifilo. karen is of council for a firm that...
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and yesterday he was again on the attack about michael cohen. i suspect we'll see another mix from the d.a.'s office as well. >> and so depending on what they do on his claim of total immunity, they could delay further the january 6 trial by sending it back to the district court, the appeals court here. and stretch that out. and then they could do any number of things, but if they, you know, end up deciding in june before the end of the term that he has total immunity, all these cases go away. >> and i can't see them deciding that based on the law. so checks and balances which everyone learns about in civics means that the president is not able to do whatever he wants, that he has to be accountable including to prosecutors. trump has famously said that he could shoot someone on fifth avenue. he made it as a political statement, but now also trying to make that legal doctrine that he could do anything, not only avoid political consequences but avoid prosecution. and i think that even the most conservative justices are unlikely to share that view.
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the we cohen referred to, pecker said he understood it to me cohen and trump. barbara, can you go back to what is the law that prosecutors are trying to prove that trump broke, or what is the crime that trump committed, that he's sitting there in court for and how does pecker's testimony help corroborate that in any way? >> of course, the law here is falsification of business records to conceal the commission of another crime, i think what the prosecutors have done that's very helpful is to start with the crime and talk about the false my case of the business records as the cover-up. so here, the crime is a statute under new york law, 17-152 that makes it a crime to conspire to promote or prevent the election to any office by unlawful means. campaign expenditures without the intent to report them. cohen paid $130,000. national enquirer paid $30,000 and $120,000 to karen mcdougal. those payments make this illegal. crime is committed. it's enough they falsified with the intent to do that but they've also got that evidence of illegal campaign expenditures. it exte
the we cohen referred to, pecker said he understood it to me cohen and trump. barbara, can you go back to what is the law that prosecutors are trying to prove that trump broke, or what is the crime that trump committed, that he's sitting there in court for and how does pecker's testimony help corroborate that in any way? >> of course, the law here is falsification of business records to conceal the commission of another crime, i think what the prosecutors have done that's very helpful is...
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they overpaid michael cohen so he could pay his taxes. but i think the primary theory here is that the other crime is a federal campaign finance violations and the theory is they falsified these records. it was a $130,000 payment. it campaign donation it campaign expenditure way over the limits. they falsified the records rather than calling them pay hush money payments, whatever white be an accurate accounting of it. >> they called it attorney fees, retainer, and so there's the falsification and then by falsifying those records and enabled them to essentially violate federal campaign finance laws. >> there's a lot of gray area. i agree that but try the case where there was any gray area in your whole career, you never tried to case when you will prosecuting another human being, where it was up in the air or it wasn't in the indictment, what exactly you are charging them with evidence every every case i tried had gray are the other ones pled out i mean, that's why you have a trial. no, no, no, no. but the charge number, the elements of th
they overpaid michael cohen so he could pay his taxes. but i think the primary theory here is that the other crime is a federal campaign finance violations and the theory is they falsified these records. it was a $130,000 payment. it campaign donation it campaign expenditure way over the limits. they falsified the records rather than calling them pay hush money payments, whatever white be an accurate accounting of it. >> they called it attorney fees, retainer, and so there's the...
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that michael cohen was true? truly acting on donald trump's behalf, you can't assume you're right maybe michael cohen was just a free agent and michael collins not super reliable, but the chain here is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who essentially hands him off to michael conferences. cohen is going to handle this youtube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days one of the things though that david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong in the stand, was that according to him trump was very detailed oriented and actually paid attention to a lot of the mundane details of this transaction. he's not saying that he was aware that the line item was a legal fee, but he's indicating trump was very much involved in this. and what you just read, john also backs that up that according to cohen and we're oh, and will probably testifies that donald trump is breathing down his neck. very closely following the karen mcdougal. >> he talked about how he would sit with trump
that michael cohen was true? truly acting on donald trump's behalf, you can't assume you're right maybe michael cohen was just a free agent and michael collins not super reliable, but the chain here is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who essentially hands him off to michael conferences. cohen is going to handle this youtube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days one of the things though that david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong in...
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trump was asking michael cohen did we hear anything yet? also testified that trump called him directly about the mcdougall story but then the candidate saying i spoke to michael and, quote, he told me about karen and trump said to me, what do you think? p ecker he said trump to push the mcdougall story pick former edison are will resume his testimony we have the day off tomorrow for the trial but we already know how the story ends, the inquirer paid mcdougall 150 grand for the rights to her story and her silence but, here's the asterisk, which is great, trump was supposed to repay p ecker, he wasn't just doing this as charity. he was the pass-through, if you will. but trump did what he always does, he stiffed him on the bill $150,000, which is why michael cohen was the one forced to pay stormy daniels out of his own pocket. that, of course, is why trump was ultimately in court today. msnbc legal correspondent wasn't watching from inside the courtroom, andrew rice also in the courtroom today, he is a writer near magazine where he just profil
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you know, when when you put cohen on the stand, you're going to have a trulyus e like environment. i mean, you've got someone yo recently just denounced as a serial perjureron ,and he's going to getstand on the stand and he's going to be the star witnessan gonna. >> yeah. and you have a biden dominatinge perhaps conflicted judge that should have been recusederhaps r should have recused himself, which obviously would be an issue appeal.bu but any appeal may happen after the election. that doesn't hel happep. jonathan turley, thank you. we appreciate it. when we come back, between kamala harris' very weird, bizarre, uncomfortable laughter and giggling and jokes, blunders. well, the administration now is struggling on the campaign w trail. we'll check in with kellyanne conway, tammy bruce, as we continueith ke what is going onn american campuses, what do our enemies want to enforce? they want to influence the thought processes of our kids. if you see someone's pronoun wrong way, you can get kicked out of college. the jewish kids are hiding their dorm, afraid to go to class. from the r
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how when i spoke to michael cohen, that's how we would are fertile. donald trump as the box. >> this is important about this being a campaign meeting. this is being about the campaign and protecting campaign because that is the argument we have heard. heard from a lot of the former president's supporters who say, look, he was concerned about his wife finding out the embarrassment of that didn't want to upset her this was not there was no mention of that in this meeting was all about the case and pecker and just once that pecker talks about that pecker talks about for a campaign why this issue of women could be important. steinglass asked, can you explain to the jury how the topic of women in particular came up? pecker says, well, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a number, a lot of women come out to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known and the most eligible bachelor and data most beautiful women. and it was clear based on my past experience that when someone is running for public office like
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the other is they have michael cohen and donald trump talking in which donald trump is ordering cohen to pay off karen mcdougal. i would say for the defense, it looks like the one time that david isn't willing to make up stories to protect donald trump is when he is testifying under penalty of perjury and that's what happened today. he basically put the knife into trump. he is saying trump and i had this deal. and it is chronological. it describes not just what he talked about yesterday. checkbook journalism. basically, that the national inquirer had become an appendage of the trump campaign. and they were making up stories about ted cruz and morphing images and all sorts of stuff. and our campaign finance laws are written to ensure transparency. so that if you are getting some sort of gift whether it is dollars or a donation, that is disclosed to the voters so they can make up their mind. and what this entire steam was start to finish was a way for donald trump to get a bunch of benefits from a journalistic organization without disclosing that to the american people. >> was there a w
the other is they have michael cohen and donald trump talking in which donald trump is ordering cohen to pay off karen mcdougal. i would say for the defense, it looks like the one time that david isn't willing to make up stories to protect donald trump is when he is testifying under penalty of perjury and that's what happened today. he basically put the knife into trump. he is saying trump and i had this deal. and it is chronological. it describes not just what he talked about yesterday....
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most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting n't assume you're right. you maybe michael cohewas just a free agent michael cohen, it's not super reliable, but the chaihere is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who eentiallyands hioff to micel cohensays, cohen's going to handle th yoube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen ca you back in a few ys. one of e things though david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong the stand, was that according to him trump was very detailed oriented and acally paid attention to a this transaction. he's not saying that he was aware that the line item was a legal fee, but he's indicating trump was very much involved in this. and what you just read, john also backs that up,hat accordg to cohen and we're cen will probably testifies that dold trump isreathing down his neck very closely following the ren mcdougal he talked aut how he would sit with ump in trumtower on t
most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting n't assume you're right. you maybe michael cohewas just a free agent michael cohen, it's not super reliable, but the chaihere is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who eentiallyands hioff to micel cohensays, cohen's going to handle th yoube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen ca you back in a few ys. one of e things though david pecker...
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cohen to pay off mcdougal. with those respects to mr.- pecker i would say unfortunate for the defense it looks like one time that david-pecker isn't willing to make up stories to protect donald trump is when he is testifying under penalty of perjury, and that's what happened today is he basically put the knife into trump, he's saying look, trump and i have this deal, and it starts even before that 2015, and it describes not just what he talked about yesterday, and not just catch and kill, but basically the national inquirer had become an appendage of the trump campaign, and they were making up stories about ted cruz, morphing images, and our campaign finance laws are written to ensure transparency. if you're getting some sort of gift, whether dollars or a donation, that it is disclosed to voters, so they can make up their mind. and what this scheme was, start to finish, was away for donald trump to get a bunch of benefits from a journalistic organization without disclosing that to the american people. that is a
cohen to pay off mcdougal. with those respects to mr.- pecker i would say unfortunate for the defense it looks like one time that david-pecker isn't willing to make up stories to protect donald trump is when he is testifying under penalty of perjury, and that's what happened today is he basically put the knife into trump, he's saying look, trump and i have this deal, and it starts even before that 2015, and it describes not just what he talked about yesterday, and not just catch and kill, but...
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cohen, calling him a serial perjurer, but also very troublesome to the court, attacking jurors. he did this by reposting a different post by jesse waters talking about liberal individuals lying, and then he added to that to get onto this trial. that caused the government to file another motion for contempt. i will note that in today's hearing, prosecutors said we are going to be filing another motion for contempt. based on some even, on the even more. it just keeps going. william: his lawyers argue this is an unconstitutional infringement on his free-speech rights, that he feels the system is rigged and he has every right to say that. what are a defendants rights in this regard? x defendants have constitutional rights, like all people in the united states. but when you are a defendant in a criminal trial, those rights are absolute not limitless. ,they can be restricted when your speech has an impact negatively on the administration of justice. meaning that the court cannot properly enforce the rule of law and administer justice in the courtroom because of your speech. notably, m
cohen, calling him a serial perjurer, but also very troublesome to the court, attacking jurors. he did this by reposting a different post by jesse waters talking about liberal individuals lying, and then he added to that to get onto this trial. that caused the government to file another motion for contempt. i will note that in today's hearing, prosecutors said we are going to be filing another motion for contempt. based on some even, on the even more. it just keeps going. william: his lawyers...
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when you put cohen on the stand. you're going to have a truly circus -like environment. you have someone, a judge just recently denounced as a serial perjurer and he's gonna get on the stand and he's gonna be the star witness. >> sean: and you have biden donating perhaps conflicted judge that should have been recused or should have recused himself which obviously would being issue upon appeal. but any appeal may happen after the election, that does not help. jonathan, think you. we appreciate it. when we come back between kamala harris is very weird bizarre uncomfortable laughter and giggling and joe's blunders, the administration now is struggling on the campaign trail, will check in with kelly and conway. he hi, i'm jason and i've lost 202 pounds on golo. so when i first started golo, i was expecting to lose around 40 pounds and then i just kept losing weight, and moving and moving and moving in a better direction. with golo and release, you're gonna lose the weight. ( ♪ ) my back got injured very bad. i was off work for about a year. i heard about relief factor from
when you put cohen on the stand. you're going to have a truly circus -like environment. you have someone, a judge just recently denounced as a serial perjurer and he's gonna get on the stand and he's gonna be the star witness. >> sean: and you have biden donating perhaps conflicted judge that should have been recused or should have recused himself which obviously would being issue upon appeal. but any appeal may happen after the election, that does not help. jonathan, think you. we...
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pecker said he assumed trump was asking cohen, did we hear anything yet? finally, pecker testified he and trump got on the phone. he said he told trump to buy the rights to mcdougal's story. trump's response, "i don't buy stories. anytime you do anything like this, it always gets out." ultimately, pecker's company paid karen mcdougal $150,000 for the rights to her story, but never published it, all to protect trump. pecker's testimony resumes thursday. trump today complaining he's stuck in court, while president biden is out on the campaign trail. >> they're keeping me in a courtroom that's freezing, by the way. he's out campaigning, and i'm here in a courtroom, sitting here, giving -- sitting up as straight as i can all day long, because, you know what? it's a very unfair situation. >> reporter: before today's testimony, prosecutors accused trump of repeatedly violating the judge's gag order, attacking witnesses, even potential jurors. and they said it's posing a very real threat to the trial. the defense insisted trump is complying but the judge interjec
pecker said he assumed trump was asking cohen, did we hear anything yet? finally, pecker testified he and trump got on the phone. he said he told trump to buy the rights to mcdougal's story. trump's response, "i don't buy stories. anytime you do anything like this, it always gets out." ultimately, pecker's company paid karen mcdougal $150,000 for the rights to her story, but never published it, all to protect trump. pecker's testimony resumes thursday. trump today complaining he's...
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michael cohen was not part of the campaign. when he said we, i thought he was talking about himself and mr. trump. it sounds like he thought he was acting at the direction of donald trump. he published stories like this about texas senator ted cruz who challenged trump in the primary. extramarital affairs with multiple women. or this story, remember this one? this one got a little bit of attention. admitted making up linking ted cruz to the john f. kennedy assassination. remember that one? the substance of this is what the inquirer did not practice -- did not publish as part of a practice known as catch and kill. culminating in a 2015 meeting -- >> reporter: tonight a person with the matter tells nbc news that candidate trump was in the room when the national enquirer publisher discussed ways that ami could help quash negative stories about mr. trump's relationships with women. >> that was from 2018 when the meeting was first reported. in that meeting in august he told trump through michael cohen that anything i hear in the mar
michael cohen was not part of the campaign. when he said we, i thought he was talking about himself and mr. trump. it sounds like he thought he was acting at the direction of donald trump. he published stories like this about texas senator ted cruz who challenged trump in the primary. extramarital affairs with multiple women. or this story, remember this one? this one got a little bit of attention. admitted making up linking ted cruz to the john f. kennedy assassination. remember that one? the...
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often michael cohen, aaron. >> all right, paula, thank you very much. and i want to go now to soucie a who worked closely with david pecker at the national enquirer's parent company. elizabeth williams is also win it does the sketch artist who was in the courtroom with donald trump today. and of course has been throughout this trial. now you all know her and our legal experts, karen friedman, agnifilo, and stacy schneider. so all right. so great to have all of you. let me just start straight off with you. so you were pecker's communications chief at ami, right? so you worked with them, you saw him, you know how all of this worked in intimate detail? so pass her testified today, he told trump he'd be as eyes and ears during the campaign. so as you're seeing the transcript of exactly what he said today, what stood out to you as you heard pecker describe the way catch and kill worked, which was pretty amazing. >> so until now, it's only been speculated how it really worked. >> but clear really outlined it under oath today, how it will play it out and the b
often michael cohen, aaron. >> all right, paula, thank you very much. and i want to go now to soucie a who worked closely with david pecker at the national enquirer's parent company. elizabeth williams is also win it does the sketch artist who was in the courtroom with donald trump today. and of course has been throughout this trial. now you all know her and our legal experts, karen friedman, agnifilo, and stacy schneider. so all right. so great to have all of you. let me just start...
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cohen would tell him who to go after, and the magazine would do it. pecker admitted the enquirer fabricated a story falsely linking cruz's father with the kennedy assassination. pecker testifying they took a picture of cruz and a picture of lee harvey oswald and matched the two together, adding, that's how the story was prepared, created, i would say. trump running with the fake story about cruz's father. >> what was he doing with lee harvey oswald shortly before the death, before the ooting? it's horrible. >> reporter: pecker told the jury he was convinced women could come forward with stories to sell because trump was the most eligible bachelor and dated the most beautiful women. trump perking up at that description. and then visibly purr tuperturb as pecker started to detail one example. the story of karen mcdougall, who claims to have had a year-long affair with trump, which he denies. when he learned mcdougall was trying to sell her story in june 2016, pecker said he immediately called cohen. he said he and cohen were already talking a couple tim
cohen would tell him who to go after, and the magazine would do it. pecker admitted the enquirer fabricated a story falsely linking cruz's father with the kennedy assassination. pecker testifying they took a picture of cruz and a picture of lee harvey oswald and matched the two together, adding, that's how the story was prepared, created, i would say. trump running with the fake story about cruz's father. >> what was he doing with lee harvey oswald shortly before the death, before the...
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he does have reason to say that when it comes to michael cohen. cohen is on the news every night attacking the president not just legally but politically. he will continue to do that after he testifies. and, yet, this order saying you can't really respond to him. i think a lot of people view that as being too broad a scope. and the judge doesn't seem to have any sort of inclination to narrow it. >> bret: i have heard you talk about the legal side of this and how it's cobbled together, the charges and how we hear another kind of avenue that the prosecution is going down. >> right. well, there is the second misdemeanor, nothing one coming out of the new york code that said you illegally conspired to promote your own campaign. and as you sort of work your mind around that, they are saying that because you misidentified these funds and treated them as legal expenses, you were illegally trying to win that campaign. once again, most of us looking at this or at least many of us are saying wait, first of all, can you prove all these facts because they are
he does have reason to say that when it comes to michael cohen. cohen is on the news every night attacking the president not just legally but politically. he will continue to do that after he testifies. and, yet, this order saying you can't really respond to him. i think a lot of people view that as being too broad a scope. and the judge doesn't seem to have any sort of inclination to narrow it. >> bret: i have heard you talk about the legal side of this and how it's cobbled together, the...
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corroborating michael cohen before it has to be solely on michael cohen shoulder. and that's why again, peckers doing a terrific job for the prosecution and messy. >> there's also this moment where they're talking about the story that the doorman was alleging, which apparently was false. but he had a story and pecker said he was just going to hold it. and then if it turned out to be true, he would run it after the election. why is that significant? >> this is one of the most significant point it's, it's all about tying this back. this, these actions back specifically to the election because the prosecution has to show the furtherance of another crime, presumably violation of election laws, campaign finance laws. they have to eliminate that defense of i would kill the story for any other reason just because i'm a high-profile they'll person when it's directly tied to the election planting of stories against political opponents is different than killing a story about your personal life. clearly that shows motivation related to the election and jake, that's why this s
corroborating michael cohen before it has to be solely on michael cohen shoulder. and that's why again, peckers doing a terrific job for the prosecution and messy. >> there's also this moment where they're talking about the story that the doorman was alleging, which apparently was false. but he had a story and pecker said he was just going to hold it. and then if it turned out to be true, he would run it after the election. why is that significant? >> this is one of the most...
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that would be michael cohen. so think of this, again, if the analogy works as a brick wall that the prosecutors are constructing. and each of the witnesses add some number of bricks to the wall. hopefully at the end of the trial, you have a big sturdy wall and the jury understands the theory of the case and accepts your evidence. and so are you trying to build up mr. cohen's credibility? you know, i think of it in a different way. you're trying to corroborate him so that even though he can be attacked and he will be on cross-examination as a convicted felon who really has a passing acquaintance with the truth, other witnesses and other documents will show the jury they can trust the overall story. >> chuck rosenberg, andrew weissmann, vaughn hillyard, thanks so much. we'll be checking back with you later in the program. >>> and as donald trump is in that new york city courtroom with david pecker, of course, on the stand, a central figure in the hush money case, president biden is traveling to florida this hour to
that would be michael cohen. so think of this, again, if the analogy works as a brick wall that the prosecutors are constructing. and each of the witnesses add some number of bricks to the wall. hopefully at the end of the trial, you have a big sturdy wall and the jury understands the theory of the case and accepts your evidence. and so are you trying to build up mr. cohen's credibility? you know, i think of it in a different way. you're trying to corroborate him so that even though he can be...
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one, through the testimony of michael cohen. but i was looking yesterday to hear how else are they going to prove that? they say they have a photograph of the two gentlemen at that meeting. they also have invoices days afterwards. a couple days after that, the first payment to michael cohen. but i was hoping to hear that they have a lot more than that. somebody who was also at the meeting, who overheard the meeting, who placed some of these documents in front of donald trump, heard his comments about that. i didn't hear that yesterday. i'm hoping that we hear prosecutors have a lot more about the back end of the deal as much as they do about the front end of it. >> chuck, what stood out to you? >> i'd agree with lisa but add one thing. circumstances also matter. we often talk about there being direct evidence, maybe conversations or photographs or emails of a transaction, but circumstances matter, too, willie. if you walk out of your house and there's snow on the front lawn, what do you think happened last night? it snowed. you
one, through the testimony of michael cohen. but i was looking yesterday to hear how else are they going to prove that? they say they have a photograph of the two gentlemen at that meeting. they also have invoices days afterwards. a couple days after that, the first payment to michael cohen. but i was hoping to hear that they have a lot more than that. somebody who was also at the meeting, who overheard the meeting, who placed some of these documents in front of donald trump, heard his comments...
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>> michael cohen. this is the first witness is starting to testify. the david helped trump's case russia's new it girl, stink television now fawning over marjorie taylor greene, even though she tried but failed to sink american aid to ukraine. here what they are thank tonight about quote-unquote moscow, marjorie and melania trump. now selling more jewelry. >> is it to help her husband pay his legal fees let's go out the front and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett outfront tonight. we begin with trump's trials spilling out of the courtroom on a de, when the prosecution and defense laid out their cases for the first time to 12 jurors and the six alternates in the room. and it's on this momentous de that former president trump and his former fixer, michael cohen, are now in a free-for-all? know did actually start in the courtroom. >> it was during opening statements, trump was watching as his lawyers were tearing into the key wetness they said, quote, his entire financial livelihood depends on president trump's destruction referring to cohen so that was
>> michael cohen. this is the first witness is starting to testify. the david helped trump's case russia's new it girl, stink television now fawning over marjorie taylor greene, even though she tried but failed to sink american aid to ukraine. here what they are thank tonight about quote-unquote moscow, marjorie and melania trump. now selling more jewelry. >> is it to help her husband pay his legal fees let's go out the front and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett outfront...
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michael cohen is a public figure. stormy daniels is a public figure, but these jurors are not public figures and private information is already leaking out about these people. and i think the judge quite properly is going to be very concerned about making sure these people can stay to the end. and not just throw their hands up and say, i'm not i'm not going to be part of this. sorry, everyone. >> thanks. karen mentioned, judge them or sean, we want to bring in johnny jones, the form the third, the former chief judge for the us middle district of pennsylvania, joe jones. appreciate you being back with us. what was your biggest takeaway from opening statements? >> well, it's interesting i think the opening statements we're not unexpected there's a lot that the prosecution didn't say and i'm curious about that i think they're kind of playing hide the ball, not inappropriately with some witnesses. i agree with your panelists and hope hicks this is going to be a very interesting and, maybe a pivotal witness to tie the form
michael cohen is a public figure. stormy daniels is a public figure, but these jurors are not public figures and private information is already leaking out about these people. and i think the judge quite properly is going to be very concerned about making sure these people can stay to the end. and not just throw their hands up and say, i'm not i'm not going to be part of this. sorry, everyone. >> thanks. karen mentioned, judge them or sean, we want to bring in johnny jones, the form the...
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and the issun ane, their star witness is going to be michaeln cohen. your thoughts on that? >> yeah, no, i mean, michael cohen came in front of thetime house committee a few years ago and lied six different times. we did criminal referrals. michael cohen even said under oath in front of the committee that he didn't try to get a job in the white house. everyone knew that was false. i meankind o all kinds of peoplt him out on that one. but yeah, this is their star witnest iss. meanw this is how they're doing their case. and meanwhilcoursethine, coursek it's pretty obvious to everyone while they're doin g to president trump. alvin bragg's not prosecuting the babragd guys in that citym o who are doing so much harm to residents there in manhattarn not prosecuting the real criminals, instead being politica l going after president trump. >> but, sean, this started eight years ago. they spied on his campaign. then it was robert mueller, then it was impeachment thens he they raid his home. then it's the special counsel, co, who indicted him in florida and d.c. thenc as fani willis sa
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he then shifted to trump's former lawyer, cohen, who he says this quote obsessed with trump& that cohen's financial livelihood depends on trump's destruction. david was the first witness to be called shortly before he took the stand. prosecutors referred to him as a coconspirator for helping trump tried to cover up his alleged affair tomorrow before the jury returns to the courtroom, there'll be a hearing about the gag order in this case. prosecutors alleged trump has violated this gag order over a half a dozen times. and this gag order prevents trump from attacking people involved in this case, like witnesses and the jury he is also barred from attacking family members of the prosecutors and the judge, though we can freely attack the judge or the district attorney, alvin bragg the app through that hearing will come back in the courtroom and david we back on stand. >> erin. all right. paula, thank you very much there in lower manhattan and our experts they're all here on set together right now. so joey jackson, let me start with you. opening statements are crucial. in some senses for many
he then shifted to trump's former lawyer, cohen, who he says this quote obsessed with trump& that cohen's financial livelihood depends on trump's destruction. david was the first witness to be called shortly before he took the stand. prosecutors referred to him as a coconspirator for helping trump tried to cover up his alleged affair tomorrow before the jury returns to the courtroom, there'll be a hearing about the gag order in this case. prosecutors alleged trump has violated this gag...
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that is michael cohen is a l liar, so what? my response to that is so what in that what do we need to believe michael cohen for ? in order to get to a verdict here, what is the credibility issue i as a juror needed to have with michael cohen? here are the checks, here is the allen weisselberg notes, here's stormy daniels lawyer testifying that michael cohen and i put it all together. there's michael cohen's $130,000.00 going to that lawyer. there's stormy daniels setting i got $130,000.00. er i don't know what it matters. i don't get why michael cohen, why his credibility would matter since all of the facts of the money movement he is involved with our established before he opens his mouth. >> so, that is exactly what the state is going to argue in summation. you are going to hear the defense say if that is true, why did they call him? he has a ton of baggage. they are saying they really need him. he can provide evidence about he says donald trump knew that the scheme was to have these false business records. remember everythin
that is michael cohen is a l liar, so what? my response to that is so what in that what do we need to believe michael cohen for ? in order to get to a verdict here, what is the credibility issue i as a juror needed to have with michael cohen? here are the checks, here is the allen weisselberg notes, here's stormy daniels lawyer testifying that michael cohen and i put it all together. there's michael cohen's $130,000.00 going to that lawyer. there's stormy daniels setting i got $130,000.00. er i...
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we are expected to hear from stormy daniels and michael cohen . we might also hear from hope hicks who was a camping ate at the time and who apparently had some conversations about these payments. the biggest unanswered question as far as who gets on the witness stand is gonna himself. he has said he wants to testify but he has said this in previous cases and then when given the choice choose not to. whether he does or not is to a big open question. there isn't a single legal analyst i've spoken to who says they think it is a good idea. i think it would be incredibly slow for top himself to take the witness stand. >> thank you as always, wilam. we appreciate it. >> i am the nest of her knees -- i am vanessa. here are the latest headlines. there have been more pro-palestinian protest at some of the nation's most prominent universities. at yale university, police arrested at least 45 demonstrate us today. they were calling on the school to divest from companies involved in israel's war in gaza. a pro-palestinian cayman has gone up outside new york u
we are expected to hear from stormy daniels and michael cohen . we might also hear from hope hicks who was a camping ate at the time and who apparently had some conversations about these payments. the biggest unanswered question as far as who gets on the witness stand is gonna himself. he has said he wants to testify but he has said this in previous cases and then when given the choice choose not to. whether he does or not is to a big open question. there isn't a single legal analyst i've...
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reading -- michael cohen even said and their oath -- all kind of people called me on that one but yet it is this witness -- and meanwhile, of course, i think the phishing alvin bragg is not prosecuting about guys in that city who are doing so much harm to residents are there in manhattan not prosecuting the real criminals. instead be political going after president trump but, sean, this started years ago. despite on his campaign. there was -- then it was robert mueller carolyn it was impeachment then they read his home, than it is special council, counts -- and dc than it's money was in atlanta that is alvin bragg calendar tried the 14th amendment another trying is trial a gag order telling her wandering was -- but he's going to win because the people see through it. >> ♪ ♪ be do i have to tell you, like everything else, watching this backfire and will interface. that will be my prediction. thank you, jim jordan. appreciated. renting talked for this smack where you come back, new england, which is only the one and only also about -- -- robert kraft is next. >> ♪ ♪ >> ♪ ♪ -
reading -- michael cohen even said and their oath -- all kind of people called me on that one but yet it is this witness -- and meanwhile, of course, i think the phishing alvin bragg is not prosecuting about guys in that city who are doing so much harm to residents are there in manhattan not prosecuting the real criminals. instead be political going after president trump but, sean, this started years ago. despite on his campaign. there was -- then it was robert mueller carolyn it was...
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and he told the jury, michael cohen, a key prosecution witness, has "an obsession with getting trump, he cannot be trusted." but prosecutors insist the alleged criminal conspiracy to protect trump involved others, including their first witness, david pecker, the former "national enquirer" publisher who once called trump a personal friend. as pecker took the stand, trump leaned forward, arms crossed, an angry look on his face. pecker has acknowledged buying negative stories about the candidate only to bury them, a practice known as catch-and-kill. on the stand, pecker was blunt. "we used checkbook journalism. we paid for stories." he's testifying under a subpoena, having cut a deal with prosecutors to avoid charges himself. he was only on the stand a few minutes today, but he'll be back tomorrow. leaving court, trump, who denies the affair with daniels, tried to downplay the case against him. >> it's a case as to bookkeeping, which is a very minor thing in terms of the law. >> reporter: so, david pecker is back tomorrow, david, but before that, there will be arguments whether trump vio
and he told the jury, michael cohen, a key prosecution witness, has "an obsession with getting trump, he cannot be trusted." but prosecutors insist the alleged criminal conspiracy to protect trump involved others, including their first witness, david pecker, the former "national enquirer" publisher who once called trump a personal friend. as pecker took the stand, trump leaned forward, arms crossed, an angry look on his face. pecker has acknowledged buying negative stories...
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that affirm all of the things michael cohen has to say. todd blanche in his opening statement today said not only is he a liar who you cannot trust but he said he is obsessed with donald trump and seeing him in jail and his family in jail. he painted him as someone who has staked his entire career and financial future by selling books and doing these podcasts as someone who wants to see trump sunk at all costs and thus you cannot trust him and everything coming out of his mouth is poison. >> what other witnesses should we expect to hear from in the coming weeks. >> we heard from one of them today, the head of american media which was the publisher of the natural -- the national enquirer. he set up this pattern that david packer and michael cohen and allegedly donald trump were all part of this early scheme set up in 2015 before the campaign began to make the national enquirer the eyes and ears for donald trump and if anyone came forward with stories that could be damaging to the candidate, they would get those stories and squash them. we a
that affirm all of the things michael cohen has to say. todd blanche in his opening statement today said not only is he a liar who you cannot trust but he said he is obsessed with donald trump and seeing him in jail and his family in jail. he painted him as someone who has staked his entire career and financial future by selling books and doing these podcasts as someone who wants to see trump sunk at all costs and thus you cannot trust him and everything coming out of his mouth is poison....
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said all payments represented legitimate legal expenses, adding he received three times more than what cohen paid daniels. nondisclosure agreements are not illegal and neither is trying to influence an election. trump maintains the manhattan d.a. office is interfering with the election. >> this has never happened before. nobody has ever seen it. >> tomorrow before david's testimony continues, the judge will rule on whether or not trump violated the gag order and if so, what possible punishment might be. court will end early if the schedule holds. >> the lawyers also reached this agreement over the $175 million bond in his civil fraud trial down the road. what are you hearing about that? >> the $175 million bond will need to be held in cash. they will not be able to move any of the money and will need to provide financial statements to the new york attorney general's office to prove that cash as they are. the new york attorney general's office that this was necessary while trump's lawyer says it was a waste of taxpayer money and time. >> bret: we are in the second week of protests. demonstrat
said all payments represented legitimate legal expenses, adding he received three times more than what cohen paid daniels. nondisclosure agreements are not illegal and neither is trying to influence an election. trump maintains the manhattan d.a. office is interfering with the election. >> this has never happened before. nobody has ever seen it. >> tomorrow before david's testimony continues, the judge will rule on whether or not trump violated the gag order and if so, what possible...
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emphasized the non-disclosure agreements or not illegal and interestingly, they took aim at michael cohen. that's very much expected. they went after his credibility. they suggested that this is someone who has quote obsessed with getting trump it was surprising jake, but they also went after stormy daniels now it's not a guarantee that you will testify in this case because her testimony is not essential to proving the charges that prosecutors have filed here, but it's clear the defense team expects her on the stand, which is part of why they decided to target her. and he's opening statements and then the jury heard briefly from the first witness, david it was pretty pretty light-hearted testimony questions about his age, his occupation, even got a few laughs that will continue tomorrow. it's unlikely though either side will be laughing for long. >> so last week in court, there was what's called a sandoval hearing, which basically addressing how much trump can be asked about some of his past criminal cases. if he ultimately decides to testify as he promised, he would. so today, the judge
emphasized the non-disclosure agreements or not illegal and interestingly, they took aim at michael cohen. that's very much expected. they went after his credibility. they suggested that this is someone who has quote obsessed with getting trump it was surprising jake, but they also went after stormy daniels now it's not a guarantee that you will testify in this case because her testimony is not essential to proving the charges that prosecutors have filed here, but it's clear the defense team...
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yeah, michael cohen has baggage. they told him to keep them keep an open mind and to look at some of the documents and other evidence that would corroborate cohen's testimony. no trump's team also took some hits at stormy daniels. she is also expected to testify in this case they said that hur testimony i'll salacious. it doesn't matter because she has nothing to do with how these records were allegedly falsified in treated on the books of the trump organization and donald trump's personal in a ledger. so trying to knock down what will be some of the key witness testimony in this case as they tried to defend president trump and get the jury to return a verdict of not guilty. jake tara, we also learn more today about how donald trump's defense attorneys are going to try to distance trump from this alleged crime. tell us more about that so trump's attorneys are saying that the former president was not involved with how these records were allegedly falsified. >> remember this is both the invoices we will cohen submitted
yeah, michael cohen has baggage. they told him to keep them keep an open mind and to look at some of the documents and other evidence that would corroborate cohen's testimony. no trump's team also took some hits at stormy daniels. she is also expected to testify in this case they said that hur testimony i'll salacious. it doesn't matter because she has nothing to do with how these records were allegedly falsified in treated on the books of the trump organization and donald trump's personal in a...
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the defense is going to try to discredit the main witness, michael cohen. it's going to be harder for other witnesses who are trump loyalists. the reason pecker has been cooperative is because he's under a non-prosecution agreement. he cut a deal with federal prosecutors and has been cooperating with prosecutors ever since. he's a key witness to corroborate michael cohen, but also explain the larger scheme. jurors want to know the why. it's not an element of the crime of falsification of business records, but they want to know the why. that's why he's really important. i also think along the same lines hope hicks will be really important. like david pecker, on the inside, she's someone who doesn't have an axe to grind against donald trump like michael cohen does. that's why there are such key witnesses here. it's going to be harder for the defense to establish bias against people, including hope hicks, who is still in trump's inner circle. >> it will be fascinating. there will be live coverage all day on msnbc. that does it for us this morning. we'll see yo
the defense is going to try to discredit the main witness, michael cohen. it's going to be harder for other witnesses who are trump loyalists. the reason pecker has been cooperative is because he's under a non-prosecution agreement. he cut a deal with federal prosecutors and has been cooperating with prosecutors ever since. he's a key witness to corroborate michael cohen, but also explain the larger scheme. jurors want to know the why. it's not an element of the crime of falsification of...
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you'll hear from cohen. that's impossible. trump was a micromanager to all these things. and i think stormy daniels will be a very powerful witness. she comes across, i think very sympathetically. i think the jury is really going to love her and the prep for her is you just want to keep a very focused on just actually what happened. i think those are the three main people that you're going to hear from scott. >> we saw the former president trying to campaign over the weekend. he was supposed to be in wilmington, north carolina yesterday and then that rally got canceled at the last minute because of weather. so we heard marshall say that the president, former president's expected to be in the courtroom four days a week how how much is that going to hurt? obvious it'll hurt his campaigning, but how much does the lack of being on the campaign pain trail actually hurt his chances at getting elected well look i have maintained this is a strange election in that you've got two presidents who are fully known basically fully vetted by the american people. >> i've wondered, is the
you'll hear from cohen. that's impossible. trump was a micromanager to all these things. and i think stormy daniels will be a very powerful witness. she comes across, i think very sympathetically. i think the jury is really going to love her and the prep for her is you just want to keep a very focused on just actually what happened. i think those are the three main people that you're going to hear from scott. >> we saw the former president trying to campaign over the weekend. he was...
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marshall cohen we know we will be following it closely. thank you very much. appreciate it republican lawmakers appear to be having a tough time defending trump in the hush money case. instead, summer casting doubt about the justice system soon as manu raju asked several republicans about trump and what he is accused of doing in the case texas what about the character issues here monday, let me listen because i want the character issues of alvin bragg. this is the bragg case, right? yes, it's hard to keep talking about bragg. i'm talking about trump's character shall break. yeah, you want to answer for trump? >> listen it means trump denies the underlying allegations he was thomas paine said that if all men lived as angels, them, we wouldn't need the power of government. >> but if the conduct concern yeah, i mean, you get so much stuff that comes around. >> all that. i kind of don't give it a lot of thought. justice systems in motion. we'll see if it's a fair drop let's discuss this with our panel of cnn political commentators, democratic strategist maria card
marshall cohen we know we will be following it closely. thank you very much. appreciate it republican lawmakers appear to be having a tough time defending trump in the hush money case. instead, summer casting doubt about the justice system soon as manu raju asked several republicans about trump and what he is accused of doing in the case texas what about the character issues here monday, let me listen because i want the character issues of alvin bragg. this is the bragg case, right? yes, it's...
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marshall cohen, we know you will be following every twist and turn in this trial. thank you so much for joining us. of course, you in just a little bit. let's talk more about this unprecedented moment with cnn legal planless norm eisen and michael moore, a former us attorney. thank you both for joining us on the eve of this incredible moment. norm, i want to start with you. you've been up against donald trump before. you advise the house democrats on how to go after trump in that first impeachment trial, you even written a book about how to prosecute trump what is your sense of this moment and how massive it is for the country? >> it's both something that we've never had before as a nation, a criminal prosecution of a former president and the most ordinary of events, thousands, tens of thousands of criminal defendants going through the motions. i'll be in court every day, including for cnn opinion, & i was there last week, alex and what i saw was this juxtaposition between the extraordinary in historic event of donald trump in the dock as you note, i've litigated a
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i see michael cohen for all the missteps and a man who is telling the truth. i think you are going to see trump really, really struggle during this period and it is not the only time he will be on trial. right in the middle of this campaign, he is going to spend a month or more in court and then there are three more cases behind that. i really don't think at this moment, i don't believe he's going to win the election. this is the first time that i have felt that and i feel he has crossed it. and we know he's guilty in that case, but you know he's guilty and that it is absolutely overwhelming. and i think he's sitting there now, terrified that this is not only going to be bad for his running for president, but that it might actually land him in prison. >> yeah. >> in the meantime he'll spend the next four weeks in the prison by legal authorities. >> yeah. >> by what legal authorities will be deemed as they were across the line in terms of the crime. well, we'll see. we never imagined, and we have not seen the american history or the american former president or
i see michael cohen for all the missteps and a man who is telling the truth. i think you are going to see trump really, really struggle during this period and it is not the only time he will be on trial. right in the middle of this campaign, he is going to spend a month or more in court and then there are three more cases behind that. i really don't think at this moment, i don't believe he's going to win the election. this is the first time that i have felt that and i feel he has crossed it....
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cohen, the attorney? howard: we will see what happens when he testifies. >> so everybody knows -- howard: let me get to -- >> but it goes back to one question, does anybody in america believe president trump would be holding this trial now if he wasn't running for president? if that's the number one issue. so even if you dislike president trump, you should stand up for fairness in america and say this is wrong. howard: all right. >> this should not go on. howard: briefly, let me get to alejandro mayorkas. let me ask my next question -- >> in fairness, where is this trial being held? if this is the second most democratic county in the entire country. and if he's going to -- if president trump's going to be held by his peers, biden won this county by 87%. howard: i get it. it's an anti-trump audience. it's in new york where he grew up. >> but that goes against everything we know for our justice system and about america. that's what's wrong. howard: should donald trump be calling january 6th inmates hostages
cohen, the attorney? howard: we will see what happens when he testifies. >> so everybody knows -- howard: let me get to -- >> but it goes back to one question, does anybody in america believe president trump would be holding this trial now if he wasn't running for president? if that's the number one issue. so even if you dislike president trump, you should stand up for fairness in america and say this is wrong. howard: all right. >> this should not go on. howard: briefly, let...
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number one, doctor recommended birthright is pain i'm zachary cohen and washington and this is cnn and we are back with michael douglas talking about his new series, franklin on apple tv plus let's talk about age. >> your about president biden's age. you're doing fantastically. you look like 1 million bucks why don't you run for precedence i did the movie once, you know, but i knew he could ever attpt to who i kn. i had the ending difference. two, the happy ending. >> n they asked me to run for govern a coue of times in california earlier time. >> and i remember say, well, whe do you want me said, well, weeed a man who can financhis own campaign. so yeahwho has a credibility, notoriety, who is well-known around the rounds, everything and i rember say, you sure you're not looking for a kamikaze pilots. >> i sent i don't think so. so you and biden are about the same age would do do you think are you one of those people who wished he had about out let the let the field choose somebody else. how do you how do you think abt that >> wl i think i think that i walk a little simpler to him anth
number one, doctor recommended birthright is pain i'm zachary cohen and washington and this is cnn and we are back with michael douglas talking about his new series, franklin on apple tv plus let's talk about age. >> your about president biden's age. you're doing fantastically. you look like 1 million bucks why don't you run for precedence i did the movie once, you know, but i knew he could ever attpt to who i kn. i had the ending difference. two, the happy ending. >> n they asked...