you will not believe your ears when i tell you some of the stuff that is going on. and i want to ask you, how on earth do we fix this? because i can tell you the sentences for those involved in this stuff are pitiful. also today i want to ask you, why have we got mob rule when it comes to dictating essentially our asylum seeking policy ? i'm speaking, of course, policy? i'm speaking, of course, of the army of do gooders that through their arms around a coach and stopped it moving migrants to the bibby stockholm

and talk about % brexit. big and talk about% brexit. big brother, do you think it's fair and reasonable now that we need to give our fingerprints if we want to enter eu countries? are you concerned at all about what on earth they might be doing with this information? and dine and dash. if you saw people fleeing a restaurant without paying, fleeing a restaurant without paying, would you try and stop them or not? would you get involved? and what do you think restaurants need to do to try and stop this practice? is it time to get rid of the tab? make people pay as you go. this is a very serious issue because we know how badly hospitality is being impacted at the moment. your thoughts on that ? we'll get your thoughts on that? we'll get stuck into all of that and more. but before we do, let's get the headlines. 6:00. >> michel, thank you very much . >> michel, thank you very much. and good evening to you. the headunes and good evening to you. the headlines from the newsroom at 6:00, the daily number of

migrants arriving here in the uk in small boats has hit a new eight month high. 711 people were detected crossing the engush were detected crossing the english channel on wednesday. that brings the total number who've made the journey since january to nearly 8300, according to the home office figures. that's up 34% compared to the same time last year. meanwhile, as we've been hearing from michel, police have made a number of arrests in south london, where activists surrounded a coach in order to stop the vehicle from leaving with migrants on board the bus that was supposed to take seven asylum seekers to the bibby stockholm barge in dorset eventually left without them on board. the protesters formed a wall around the coach in peckham and jammed a rental scooter under the vehicle to stop it from moving. well it comes a day after the home office confirmed that it had started the process of detaining illegal migrants ahead of the first flight to rwanda, which is due to take off in july. a samurai sword attacker has appeared in court

today charged with the murder of a 14 year old schoolboy, daniel anjorin was fatally stabbed in london on tuesday morning as he made his way to school. marcus monzo, a spanish brazilian dual national, is also charged with two counts of attempted murder and injuring four other people when he broke into a house where a family was sleeping. the 36 year old has been remanded in custody and he's next due to appear at the old bailey in wales. a woman's body has been found on a beach. pembrokeshire police say the body of 32 year old sian batchelor was found near pembroke dock in a tribute. her family have described her as a beautiful, funny and lovely person. officers say they are treating her death as unexplained and they are now appealing for any information from the public. polls are open for a few more hours in local elections, which are taking place in many parts of england and wales today , seats are up and wales today, seats are up for grabs on 107 local authorities , while there are authorities, while there are also votes for mayors. some police commissioners and there's by—election in blackpool south.

voting in many parts of england and wales ends at around 10:00 this evening in scotland , john this evening in scotland, john swinney could be unopposed in the race to become the next first minister. it's after kate forbes, who appeared to be his closest rival, announced she won't run to become snp leader and will instead back him. if successful, it would be the second time mr swinney has led the snp. he previously held that post between 2000 and 2004. but speaking at first ministers questions earlier, the leader of scottish labour dismissed the snp's internal problems again . snp's internal problems again. >> the snp are putting party before country and their own problems before the people of scotland . so isn't it the case scotland. so isn't it the case that regardless of who the snp impose, they will not be able to fix this mess and deliver the change scotland needs in the us? >> president joe biden has called for order on college campuses after violent clashes between police and protesters in

california. hundreds of riot police moved in on protesters at the ucla campus in los angeles. police there say they've made hundreds of arrests overnight dunng hundreds of arrests overnight during crackdowns on demonstrations. meanwhile, in the uk, students have also set up their own sit in camps in protest against israel's war with hamas students in sheffield. in leeds, newcastle and in bristol set up tents outside their campus buildings. organisers are now suggesting that demonstrators could spread across the uk . and finally, across the uk. and finally, before we head back to michelle today, we've heard could be the warmest day of the year so far, despite heavy rain and thunderstorms sweeping across parts of england and wales overnight, two buildings in sussex were damaged by lightning and a care home was also hit, causing damage to its roof . the causing damage to its roof. the storm also damaged a university in chichester and disrupted its power supplies . that's the power supplies. that's the latest from the newsroom. i'll be back at 7:00. until then, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the code on your

screen, or go to gb news. alerts.com gb news. com slash alerts. now though, it's back to . michelle. >> thanks for that. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm with you till 7:00 tonight adrienne on the website has said whose jobs guest tonight. i wonder. we don't need to wonder any longer because i'll tell you alongside me till seven. the former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie and the director of world right kerry dingle. good evening to both of you. you're very welcome tonight. and you know the drill, don't you? it's not just about us three. it's about you guys, herm as well. what's on your mind tonight? you can get in touch all the usual ways. you can still email me gb news at gb views .com. you can go on the website. as i just mentioned, adrian, or you're a member as well. thank you very much. adrian. that's adrian there. he's on the website. you can join the conversation there too or of course you can tweet or x me now let's talk what i would call the absolute ridiculous

scenes that we've seen unfold today where we've seen scores of protesters linking arms to laughably create what they call a human chain , to try and stop a human chain, to try and stop asylum seekers being moved to the bibby stockholm. joining me now live is our home and security editor, mark white. good evening to you , mark. good evening to you, mark. thanks for joining good evening to you, mark. thanks forjoining us. can you thanks for joining us. can you bnng thanks for joining us. can you bring our viewers up to speed with what on earth was supposed to be happening and what actually did end up happening in the end ? the end? >> well, finally, in terms of a breaking news development , we breaking news development, we can confirm that almost ten hours after this protest began outside this hotel in peckham in south—east london, it has finally ended, the road has been cleared and the police have left the scene. the metropolitan police have confirmed that 45 protesters have been arrested. the deputy assistant commissioner , andy adelekan, has commissioner, andy adelekan, has said it saddens me to , confirm

said it saddens me to, confirm that a number of his officers have been injured in these protests and violent scuffles, he said. not seriously injured but still injured in the line of duty as he tried over many hours to reason with these protesters to reason with these protesters to move out of the roadway, to let that bus on its way. but we can confirm as well that the home office have had to abandon what they were planning , which what they were planning, which was to remove a small group, a group of about seven individuals from that hotel which has been requisitioned for asylum seeker purposes , as they were removing purposes, as they were removing seven people from there to the bibby stockholm barge in dorset. because of the scenes, because of the violence that erupted there that has now been abandoned. i'm sure they will try on another day to remove people, but it is clearly becoming an issue for the authorities because not just

this michel. we got reports as well from a briefing that i attended about the immigration raids that were attended, that were taking place to round up people for deportation to rwanda , that a number of spontaneous protests popped up at various sites linked to those arrests as well. this is becoming an issue. it's going to be something that the authorities will have to get a grip of and grapple with in the weeks ahead, because it's going to become more of an issue as we get closer to the date for these first flights leaving for rwanda . rwanda. >> goodness me. thank you very much, mark, for that update , i much, mark, for that update, i am itching to let rip about what i think about that. i am appalled by it, but i'll let you go first. kelvin mackenzie i'll be polite. >> well, i'm first of all, how shocking it is that our police officers should be beaten up in this way, a number of them are.

we've just heard of have been injured by these. well, i presume they're thugs, but they've been. they've been arrested now, so we'll have to see what the court makes of them. but the reality is that those police officers were, in fact, conducting what the law is this. >> i just want to interrupt whilst you're talking as well, because i can't help but notice i've got my glasses on. nothing wrong with my eyesight now, and i can see a number of concealed faces there. there was a fellow a second ago with a scarf, but people were concealing their faces, and i'm sure i could see like that bandana thing. the burgundy thing at the back. she just pulled up again. i thought you weren't even allowed to do that. now, in these kind of circumstances. well anyway, i digress. >> i didn't know that. but you know, they, they they're they're there to stop what the law of there to stop what the law of the land is. we want those people out. they are illegal. currently and when they're in rwanda they can have their their asylum applications tested and i

am sick and tired of seeing a small group acting against the law. and what also concerns me beyond this, tonight is what's happening in our universities. >> how careful they are. those concealed, their faces. are you watching? what i'm watching everybody. >> yeah, well, hold on. is that any worse than the deliveroo's you see wandering around driving around london all the time, which i see a load of those who are wearing black across their faces. why is that? i presume because they're illegals as well. >> no, hang on a second, kelvin. i mean, obviously there's no one from deliveroo to defend themselves against that. but a lot of people are delivery drivers. they are actually bombing around on mopeds. so they would have had, you know, some kind of head covering underneath their helmet or whatever. so let's not conflate issues. >> well, my point really is that the idea that police officers are being beaten up while carrying out the law of the land is completely unacceptable, and these people are clearly are not these people are clearly are not the innocent little students just hanging around , fresh out

just hanging around, fresh out of fresh out of school. and oh, we've got to act on behalf of these, these, these, these migrants. we must not allow them to fly to rwanda. these are people who wanted a fight . how people who wanted a fight. how shocking is that? >> i have to make it clear as well. they're not even going to rwanda. so the all of these people have busied themselves with blockading this coach today. you're not actually trying to prevent deportation to rwanda. these people were going to the bibby stockholm a perfectly reasonable , perfectly reasonable, accommodation option for people, where are you on this, kerry? >> well , i've always been very >> well, i've always been very sympathetic to people making horrendous journeys across the world in search of a better life and found them quite inspiring . and found them quite inspiring. but this i feel i'm not in support of these protesters. >> i find it inspiring to illegally enter a country. well, people wanting a better life. would you find it inspiring if people were pushing through the gates at heathrow airport to storm the country without the passport? >> but they're not michelle, are

they? the problem here is protests. those who don't respect migrants as human aspirant human beings. they treat them as victims . and treat them as victims. and that's about the students themselves wanting to appear super compassionate do gooders . super compassionate do gooders. it's all virtue signalling. it's not about serious debate. and i wouldn't take the sides of ehhen wouldn't take the sides of either. those who demonise people who want a better life wrongly calling them asylum seekers quite often because often they're not right, or those who deny them agency like these protesting students. i think that's both bad news and doesn't help us. but the government has been hoist by its own petard by making such a deal out of its, fairly hopeless, ridiculously expensive rwanda policy. and these kind of protesters aren't offering any solutions for the real problems people are worried about, which is the cost of these hotels, which is mad , and the fact that

which is mad, and the fact that people are getting in these dangerous, small boats because we have a government completely incapable of persuading france to allow boats to be turned around, and people then to apply to come here legally rather than spending thousands on getting in a dinghy , i just want to remind a dinghy, i just want to remind everybody of a story that i'm certainly familiar with, and you might be as well. you might remember the scenes. it was an aeroplane. i think it was about 2018 or there or thereabouts. and there was a guy that was getting deported and he was on this plane getting deported . and this plane getting deported. and what happened next? everybody, all of the, the do gooders got involved. lots of fellow passengers started getting involved , getting out their involved, getting out their mobile phones, saying, you're treating this fella absolutely inhumanely . you're separating inhumanely. you're separating him from his family. this is barbaric treatment. so on and so forth. what happened next? they were successful. this fella was offloaded, but you know what? do you know why he was being deported? everybody. because he was convicted , it was a gang

was convicted, it was a gang rapist. the fella had raped a 16 year old. so all of these do gooders , round of applause to gooders, round of applause to you, because what you actually achieved was a gang rapist being kept back in the country when he should have been kicked out so fast his feet didn't even touch the floor, i can tell you, right? we are in a situation at kelvin where many, many, many people and i do need to just represent the other side of this because people will say this is inhumane . because people will say this is inhumane. i've because people will say this is inhumane . i've heard people inhumane. i've heard people describe actually, it's akin to human trafficking , what the home human trafficking, what the home office are currently doing, picking up people, taking them, perhaps against their will because the asylum accommodation is given out on a no choice basis. so wherever you're told to go, then that's where you've got to go. so people on the other side of this argument will say, that's inhumane, it's cruel. it's essentially human trafficking. and that, goes against the human rights of those individuals. >> well, i'm not quite sure what

percentage of society actually believes. i mean, there are people who believe that that the moon is made of blue cheese. thatis moon is made of blue cheese. that is not an argument to argue against a parliamentary law and to say, this is what we're going to say, this is what we're going to do. our elected representatives say you are going to go to rwanda and therefore they will go. but while we're talking about this, we're talking about hundreds more. biggest number this year of just arrived on the boats literally within the last hour or so . we're talking about a or so. we're talking about a whole load of university issues connected with, connected with gaza. connected with, connected with gaza . we're watching and we're gaza. we're watching and we're watching police officers being beaten up . we're watching police beaten up. we're watching police officers being hit by by machetes. we have a societal issue right now where law and order on many different fronts are not being followed by mainly , mainly younger people. and i think we need to have a reaction similar to ucla and to columbia.

and also i am appalled that our officers have to be beaten up to carry out the will of the people. how is that possible? well, as well, you could, knock me down with a feather because i thought it was only the so—called. >> it was the far right circled that were the violent protesters. i can't get my head around. why, if these people are so proud of their actions and they think that they are doing they think that they are doing the right thing, i cannot understand for the life of me. look at that. there you can see that person really trying hard to conceal their face. if you're proud of your actions and you think you're on the right side of history and you think and you believe because i don't doubt that these people are passionate, that they think that they're doing the right thing. why conceal your face then? why not be proud and bold about your actions? and i would love to find one of those people, from those years ago that managed to get that asylum seeker off the plane and stop the deportation. i'd to love talk to one of those people and ask them, now that we

understand the actual real situation of that, le. it was a gang rapist, how do you now feel about halting that deportation? and if indeed that guy had gone on to rape somebody else, what would your conscience feel like? because if that was me and i'd got that fella off the plane and he'd then hurt somebody subsequently, i wouldn't be able to live with myself. and i keep coming back to, i mean, i can quote some of these protesters actually, one of them, he says he went down to watch the process. he lives next door to the hotel where these fellas are currently housed. he said, i don't mind them living in this house, in this hotel. they just live here. he thinks , you know, live here. he thinks, you know, it's basically inhumane. someone else says, what's going on is horrific and inhumane. it's also been declared immoral and unlawful. we need to stand up for these people who can't stand up and defend themselves, because all of this legislation is specifically targeting them . is specifically targeting them. but do you think this is like the first step to mob rule? because if you let groups of people dictate your policy, i.e.

this deportation , it's not this deportation, it's not a deportation. so this transfer to the bibby stockholm hasn't stopped. it hasn't gone ahead today because of these protesters . and probably it'll protesters. and probably it'll happen again tomorrow and the next time and the next time. do you worry a little bit that a mob can kind of thwart a policy like that? >> well, i do in the sense that but i do recognise these people don't give a toss about democracy at all. and that's a major problem. and as i was saying earlier, they really do. and you've just reinforced it with those statements that they've come out with. they they've come outwith. they really do see, asylum seekers or migrants, which most of them are seeking a better life rather than being persecuted. they see them as victims and if they recognise them as human beings, which they don't , that have done which they don't, that have done this incredible journey across the world, they'd also know that these are people who don't think that the bibby stockholm is some sort of hellhole that's of their own, these students making . so own, these students making. so they are creating this, you know, these victim migrants and

treating them like children , treating them like children, which i think is really objectionable and demeaning . objectionable and demeaning. >> i can tell you now, there's some people in this country, homeless people, and whatnot. i think they'd give their right arm, actually, to have free accommodation to the standard of, bibby stockholm . i can tell of, bibby stockholm. i can tell you that, if you are one of those protesters for and some, some reason you're watching this tonight, do get in touch and tell me why you don't have the chops to actually show your face. if you're so proud of the action that you're taking . and action that you're taking. and also on dewbs & co, i don't just also on dewbs& co, i don't just like to give you problems, i do like to give you problems, i do like to give you problems, i do like to give you solutions. so all of these people that were chanting refugees, welcome, i've got a great idea for you . why got a great idea for you. why don't we try and set up and you can already voluntary over pay extra tax if you're in the camp of refugees . welcome. and i'm of refugees. welcome. and i'm not knocking that. it's a perfectly valid place to be. why don't you say to yourselves, you know what, let's pay a voluntary amount of tax. so all of us that are in favour of putting people

in hotels and all the rest of it, you guys can chip in a bit more and you can help fund that if you're so in favour of refugees, welcome and all the rest of it. i think it's a great idea. win win. you get what you want, they get what they want and everyone who doesn't agree with that isn't paying for it. >> well, why don't we idea why don't we also why don't we also when they appear, when they finally appear in court and get hopefully convicted, why don't we put them on the same plane and send them out to rwanda as well? >> well, i mean, you say that this way. i mean, i bet there's a few people in society thinking to themselves, what do i why do i lose my passport, go to calais getting a dinghy and volunteer to be sent to rwanda? i'll take the three grand and the free living costs. i bet there's a few people that have had that thought, anyway. i shall move on after the break. i want to talk to you about an absolutely horrific, sickening, barbaric practice of organised dog fighting. oh, what i have to tell you next will absolutely shock and disturb you. we'll see you in two.

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry , hi there. i'm michelle dewberry, and i'm keeping you company till 7:00 tonight. lots of you getting in touch about those protests . they're stopping protests. they're stopping those, so—called asylum seekers moving to the bibby stockholm. danny, you make a very good point here, you're asking why were the police at that protest ? were the police at that protest? but not in some of the kind of riots positions or gear like what we saw at the saint george's day event in london? well, i think we all know the answer to that, do we not, danny? many people would say that there is indeed a two tier policing , in display on display, policing, in display on display, should i say in london, john says, where the police and the authorities doing to stop all of this unrest. i can answer that briefly and say probably not a lot, quite frankly. michelle, we've seen over and over again says reg, that police don't seem to be fit for purpose. i've got to be fit for purpose. i've got to step in there and actually

defend the police in some hand, because, yes, in that instance and i will criticise as well the two tier policing when it comes to protesting. but we also need to protesting. but we also need to step back as well and reflect that actually also this week we've seen the police do incredibly brave and decent things. and i'm talking of course about that sword incident. so i don't want to go too hard on the police because indeed they do risk their lives often to try and protect us. but look, let me move on and i will tell you that this is quite a distressing story because i want to talk to you about what many would say are the nation's favourite pets. i'm speaking, of course, about dogs now , i course, about dogs now, i confess many of you know this if you're a regular viewers, i'm not overly a dog person. i've never hurt a dog, but i don't imagine i would ever earn one as well. but even despite that, so even where i am, i found this really , really distressing. and really, really distressing. and i'm speaking about organised dog fighting, and i just want to bnng fighting, and i just want to bring some stats up on the screen for you just to kind of

bnng screen for you just to kind of bring some context into this. there has been a 34% increase in dog fight since 2020. there are more than 30 organised dog fights in england and wales each month . so basically pretty much month. so basically pretty much one a day. everybody i mean, the rspca is well being called out to stop nearly 2000 dog fights. and if you look at where this kind of stuff is happening, the great, 40% of these incidents happenin great, 40% of these incidents happen in the north of england , happen in the north of england, the london as well. of course, they've had a lot 91 investigations there. the west midlands has had 59, incidents there as well. and one of the things that absolutely shocks me, everybody, because i just want to make clear what we're talking about here. we are talking about here. we are talking about here. we are talking about the deliberate priming and grooming and training of dogs, to fight each other and to end up with absolutely barbaric , absolutely barbaric, distressing, upsetting injuries that really cause harm to those animals. and in very often end

up in the death of those animals as well. so this is the kind of thing we're talking about is often done for pleasure . it's often done for pleasure. it's often done for pleasure. it's often done for financial reasons. and i was just about to walk you through that slide there about the penalties involved in this, because in england and wales, get this everybody, the penalty for doing this is 51 weeks in prison or a fine or both. in scotland it's up to a year in prison , a fine up to a year in prison, a fine as well, of up to £20,000. and get this, apparently 15% of vets believe that they have treated dogs that have been engaged in these illegal fights . i mean, these illegal fights. i mean, this is absolutely horrific. i'm joined now by veterinary professor of animal welfare at winchester university, andrew night. good evening to you, andrew. i mean, many people would have assumed that this thing, you know, it was out with the dark ages 200 years ago or thereabouts. i think this stuff was banned, but it's very much going on. i've just given the stats there 34% increase. can you just describe i mean, i am

conscious that it's tea time, so i don't want to be too graphic, but just kind of help the viewers understand what is actually going on here. >> yeah, it's really worrying to see those numbers actually increasing so dramatically as you've described, i mean, the concerns are certainly the fights themselves, the, the injuries that the animals sustain can be quite horrific. these are underground fighting fings. these are underground fighting rings . they're not, there's not rings. they're not, there's not any sort of , rings. they're not, there's not any sort of, proper rings. they're not, there's not any sort of , proper veterinary any sort of, proper veterinary care for the injured animals. they can sustain fractures of their limbs, lacerations to their limbs, lacerations to their faces, their abdominal, body and the rest of their skin surfaces as well , if there is surfaces as well, if there is treatment of these, it will tend to be with, sort of back out therapies such as superglue and staples rather than providing appropriate veterinary care. and unfortunately, animals that lose sometimes seen as sort of dishonouring their owners and are punished or even killed actually by the owners if they have have not been seen to performing well in the ring. so

this will be, you know, done brutally with unfortunately, methods like clubbing the animals or simply leaving them abandoned in buildings they have unfortunately been instances of animals being deliberately, cruelly killed because they've not been thought to have fought well enough, you're showing some video of the training methods used. they can also be very exploitative and quite cruel. animals can be, run on treadmills , they might be baited treadmills, they might be baited with small animals, like kittens ahead of them. sometimes these are placed on lures as well to try to strengthen the jumping muscles of the hind legs. encourage the dogs to lunge forward , and sometimes they need forward, and sometimes they need to pull heavy weights as well. so pretty brutal training methods without any sort of , methods without any sort of, normal air that, our, our pet dogs would enjoy, and also about the socialisation, the, learning to become confident, happy and well behaved with other dogs and people and become good companions. these animals don't get that. they're raised in a

pretty brutal environment. they're subjected to the most horrible , brutal fights. and if horrible, brutal fights. and if they do survive, those, their injuries are not properly treated. so this is pretty barbaric. >> it's absolutely horrendous, what do we know about the kind of breeds that are involved in this stuff ? this stuff? >> they tend to be, pit bulls, pit bull terrier type breeds. these dogs with, short , stocky these dogs with, short, stocky legs, strong chest muscles, strong, thick necks, and it used to be the case that many of them would also be ear cropped and tail docked, that's illegal now, in the united kingdom, thankfully . but these are the thankfully. but these are the dogs that, were historically chosen for fighting and have been bred over many generations to have those sorts of characteristics and just help my viewers understand, because, i was reading today about actually , if you see a dog with certain telltale, telltale signs or if you see certain things, and this might indicate that that's a dog that's been involved in these kind of practices, and you can

flag it to the rspca, etc, what should people be looking out for ? i mean, an obvious thing will be injuries. and as a veterinarian in small animal practice, you know, i would i was working in that field for about ten years before becoming , about ten years before becoming, about ten years before becoming, a veterinary researcher. and you would sometimes see animals coming in with injuries that weren't consistent with the stories that we were given about how those injuries might have been obtained. or wounds that don't seem to have been properly treated or might have been older than they should be when they come in. so i think an obvious thing is to be looking out for injuries and any general mistreatment of animals, the general public won't see most of this because it is. it does occur sort of out of sight and out of mind of the general pubuc out of mind of the general public in, industrial areas, waste ground, areas that are hidden generally from the public eye. >> absolutely disgusting , andrew >> absolutely disgusting, andrew knight, thank you very much for enlightening our viewers to what is actually going on, there's a documentary about this, actually an expose. it's channel. it's

channel 4, and it kind of goes behind, kind of behind the scenes. i think that sounds awful, but you know what i mean? it kind of gets involved with some of these people that are training these dogs. it is one of the most upsetting things, kelvin, that i've ever seen. and i say that as someone i'm, i would never hurt a dog. i wouldn't probably own one though, either. and even , you though, either. and even, you know, for me, i'm not the biggest dog owner in the land, but it really upset me. it is so barbaric. and when i was listening to these people that are involved, they're kind of saying, well , you know, this is saying, well, you know, this is what they're bred for. this is what they're bred for. this is what they're bred for. this is what they do. this is yeah, but these these people who are involved in this are are criminals, major criminals. >> they seem to be making lots of money. i'd be fascinated to know. not that i'm going to speculate on air which community that they that they come from where, where they think that they just go on to a spare piece of land and conduct this major criminal act. i agree with your thought process that less than a

year in, in, in prison doesn't seem much for what is a very lucrative and leading to a dog, almost certainly one or the other of them losing, losing their life. both of them may, may, may be, may die . their life. both of them may, may, may be, may die. i their life. both of them may, may, may be, may die . i just the may, may be, may die. i just the other issue that you face with all this is there is so much crime about now is how on earth how many people in our country have to be police officers in order to police everything that appears to be currently, we're in a very pessimistic period of time in the uk right now in order to capture these people, but everything else that seems to be going on in our nation right now, we're not just being a responsible citizens. >> they're keeping your eyes and your ears peeled for wrongdoing. and actually, if everyone works as a collective to try and identify stuff, isn't that more likely to stop bad stuff continuing. >> but but with these people prepared to do it on spare

pieces of land in the middle of in the middle of nowhere? or actually, strangely enough, i read in this piece is on council estates . it's i mean, surely estates. it's i mean, surely anybody who lives on a council estate will then know what's going on. you know, you know, the reason they don't report it. but the very good reason these people are major criminals. but the very good reason these people are major criminals . and people are major criminals. and i hesitate to think what they might do to anybody who went to the police. carry. >> what do you think? >> what do you think? >> well , i >> what do you think? >> well, i don't think you have to be an animal rights activist to be an animal rights activist to think this is barbaric and was rightly outlawed along with bear baiting 200 years ago. >> i mean, it's quite medieval . >> i mean, it's quite medieval. i am shocked that the fines are so low , and obviously 20,000 is so low, and obviously 20,000 is nothing. if you're going to make 100 grand out of a fight today , 100 grand out of a fight today, i do think it's probably a pretty rare practice . it's, you pretty rare practice. it's, you know, one a day is really bad, but i don't think , you know, i but i don't think, you know, i think 99.9% of british people find it appalling. >> oh hold on. so they know of so in england and wales they

know of 30 a month, i.e. one a day. that's what they know of. and you think that's pretty rare? >> well, it's not ten a day, is it? could be worse, no, i think that there are obviously these outfits that can pull huge money in organising one a day, wherever it is in the country. i don't think it's right to point the finger at the travelling community, calvin, i didn't actually mention the community that i had in mind that. actually mention the community that i had in mind that . because that i had in mind that. because i think i just think it's a broader problem of illegality and i, it's my understanding that this this summer there is new animal welfare legislation which will increase the prison sentence to five years, potentially . i don't know what potentially. i don't know what it's going to do about the 20 grand. fine. but obviously that the fines need to outstrip, the

ill gotten gains from utter cruelty. >> it is , liam says that this is >> it is, liam says that this is disgusting and horrific. how can anybody treat an animal like that? these people should be locked up, and anyone that supports this type of cruelty should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. hear, hear. to that, mark says anyone who is cruel to pets simply needs locking up, and the key needs throwing away, i mean, everyone is going to be in agreement about this. just how barbaric it is . and i how barbaric it is. and i watched this documentary. i mean, if you've got if you can stomach it, i advise it. it's heartbreaking. and at one point, these two, they call themselves gangsters. i mean, pathetic , gangsters. i mean, pathetic, they make me sick. anyway, so these circle gangsters , what these circle gangsters, what they do is they settle their scores with these dogs, and there's this scene, and one of them takes the dog into this room, and you don't see it, but you hear it. this dog ends up. he can't even walk. he's getting lifted up by his owner. pathetic little owner. he carries this dog, and he kind of goes , well,

dog, and he kind of goes, well, you know, i'll just have to get rid and replace him because he can't do his duty now. i.e. the duty being to fight that spineless cowards, so—called drug deaths. i think it's absolutely disgusting. and then he's got the audacity, ladies and gents . he looks at the and gents. he looks at the camera and he says to the camera, at the end of the day , camera, at the end of the day, these are the dogs. that's what they're bred for. and if it's not the dogs fighting, it'd be us humans. so surely what we're actually doing is decreasing crime. i looked at him, i could tell you now. and i thought to myself, you know what love? i would actually prefer if it was you in that room as opposed to your dog. get in touch and let me know your thoughts on it all. i think it's absolutely disgusting, and i hope that those sentences are increased sometime soon. coming up after the break. your fingerprints. do you think that that is what you need to hand over all your data in order to get access to eu countries going forward? tell me . see you in two.

michelle dewberry i'm with you till 7:00. sometimes i need to let you guys have private access to what goes on in the breaks. it make your hair curl. i can tell you that for free, anyway, lots of people getting in touch about that last topic is absolutely horrific. we are united, in agreement with that one. and i've got an interesting perspective , actually, one of my perspective, actually, one of my viewers, i won't name you, you've written in and said, michelle, i am from traveller stock, and i do not agree with this fighting. and this person says, i will confess , you give says, i will confess, you give a percentage, but you say that there is a large percentage of this stuff happening within what you call our community. and you said you probably were published this will actually i think anyone who indulges in this practice , i think it's shameful, practice, i think it's shameful, not just you guys that are fighting these dogs, but you guys that are paying money to watch these fights. it's absolutely disgusting, now let's talk brexit britain, shall we? because do you think it's right

then, that if we want to access eu countries that we have to, soon give over our biometric data, we will need to use our fingerprints and have your photo taken. apparently this is all going to go into a centralised eu database. of course. certainly in the initial stages it will increase, the, the time when it comes to crossing borders. is this a good thing? >> it's what happens when you travel to the states now you've got to you've got to give your you've got to give your thumbprint or fingerprint, and you've got to have your picture taken and yes, it leads to a massive anybody who's travelled through jfk or anything has led to the most massive queues. and i expect this will lead to massive queues. and this is one of the prices that we're going to pay for brexit. i personally i think it's a small price to pay, i think it's a small price to pay, but and you know, i travelled as you do and everybody does these days travel to europe regularly. it's just going to add another hour or so to get faux pas for the calls.

>> and you think a price worth paying, >> and you think a price worth paying, i do, kerry , no, i don't paying, i do, kerry, no, i don't i don't think it's a price worth paying i don't think it's a price worth paying because i don't think it's a price we should have to pay- >> and i am very pro brexit. and i really think this is a kind of bad attempt at punishing for us our support for democracy, which we know many other europeans also agree with. in truth , we also agree with. in truth, we don't do this to europeans coming here. we do it to people only if they are major visa applicants . then you have to applicants. then you have to hand over your biometric data . hand over your biometric data. but regular tourists coming here for holiday do not have to be fingerprinted or photographed. and we are. the government is allowing this to start happening on british soil. so it's going to be here at dover and at heathrow or wherever that these things actually happen, which is outrageous . why are we going outrageous. why are we going along with this? we should we should be more precious about our biometric data .

our biometric data. >> it is absolutely true that one of the great things about heathrow is if you're a member of the eu is you. you travel straight through as low as though you are british, right? i mean, it is incredible, so we're very friendly towards them. they're not very friendly towards us. and what they're actually saying, and as you saw , actually saying, and as you saw, the polish prime minister said only yesterday, they said that actually the gdp, the per capita gdp in poland in five years, according to that, that world report is going to be higher than it is in the uk. so all those poles they did right. they they went back to poland right after brexit and they've turned their economy into a great economy. and they've actually actually in a strange way, they've weakened ours. i mean, poush they've weakened ours. i mean, polish builders used to be all over the place and now you can't find one. you get english builders. they're fine, but they're more expensive than the poles were. so the truth is that that brexit, the way it's been worked out, has not been a great success for our country. yes, we have our independence. we don't get told by brussels what shape our potatoes and apples should

be. but actually there are aspects to the brexit which haven't worked at all. and if nigel farage was sitting here right now, he would agree with me. >> would he ? there you go, do >> would he? there you go, do you agree with him? you can have the final say on that one. and annie has got in touch and says, michelle, i've been doing gardening all my life without any gloves on. so she says, good luck trying to get my fingerprints at any border. she doesn't actually think she's got any prints left. they've all gone into the mod, ian says this does not bother me at all. he says that he's been working in so many different countries around the world, and this is just how it is, he says. though he ends his, email by saying, the people that worry about this are usually those people that have something to hide. you said you was worried about, have you got something to hide? >> carrie, i think i think that's really wrong. >> you know, i don't think being made to be a criminal by having your fingerprints and photograph taken means that you have got something to hide. i think it

means we don't value ourselves. we don't value our privacy. we allow not only the british state, foreign states to have all our data. and i think it's very naive to think that these things couldn't potentially be used against people, well . there used against people, well. there you go, ian. that told you, you don't mess with the dingle, glen says michelle, i will not be travelling to the eu if they require fingerprints. simple. he says , catherine says i don't says, catherine says i don't have a problem actually with having my fingerprints taken. but she says she doesn't trust the government with what it could lead to next. keep your thoughts coming in after the break. let me ask you. you've seen all the footage now of these people, so—called dine and dashing, filling their faces and then running off without paying their bill. what do we need to do then? how do we stop this? more naming and shaming. no more taps. more naming and shaming. no more taps . tell me your thoughts

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 alongside me. kelvin mackenzie and kerry dingle remain. again. your divided on that last fingerprint, topic. your divided on that last fingerprint, topic . malcolm fingerprint, topic. malcolm says. michelle, wake up everybody. it's part of the digital id agenda, he says many of you are asking, well, why are we not doing this in this country? then why aren't we, creating biometric entry points here? would you want that? is that a good thing or not? let me talk to you, though, about a story that's caught many people's eyes recently has been labelled dining and dashing. have you seen all of this? it's basically like the halls of shame, where people's photographs now, the cctv, the imagery is getting shared far and wide from people, who are going into restaurants . and going into restaurants. and let's all remember that restaurants, many of them at the moment, hospitality pubs, whatever, many of these organisations are struggling. they were absolutely battered dunng they were absolutely battered during the covid lockdowns.

they're trying to work, they're trying to graft, they're trying to kind of pull their industry, their business now out of, hard times. so they don't need anybody doing this. what is the answer, though, kerry ? how do answer, though, kerry? how do restaurants stop it? >> well, i'm shocked when you read these reports because it seems sometimes these are kind of serial dine and dash. couples one, one there's a report, there's an ex—lawyer who goes around completely ripping, ripping off restaurants and taxi drivers and others. and i do think that name and shame is one good thing to go. way to go sticking their photographs up, making sure other rest of the hospitality industry know who these people are. but i also can't understand why these people are not arrested or, you know, they are committing serious fraud and a criminal offence and getting away with blue murder. i do think we these days we have to be. i mean, i'd be always be for it's such antisocial behaviour. i'd be for grabbing them by the scruff of the whatever. but you have to be

a bit careful these days as people pull knives on you. >> this is certainly true, kelvin. >> how do we fix it, well, i'm not sure we fix it. they do get charged. they do get arrested. one of the things that cheers me up about the media is that whenever there's a dine and dash, it always the lead item on whatever the news site is so they know what people are interested in. these are criminals. they think they're thinking about it. they come up with ridiculous ideas. oh my, my son's in, my grandson's in hospital. i've got to go and get the card off him. you know? i mean, they're just sitting there inventing it. it is. it is the kind of the same kind of nonsense and the same kind of pain that supermarkets and shops face with shoplifting. the truth about the matter is we are seeing a breakdown of what people think is legitimate in relation to the high street. they just think that they can take advantage of it. now, however, obviously all restaurants have got to include cameras and it doesn't matter how small your restaurant is,

one of the more important aspects will be the security, because the truth about the matter is they will almost certainly be local people. >> well, like, lots of you guys getting in touch because we don't just like problems on dewbs & co. we do indeed like dewbs& co. we do indeed like solutions. pj, you've put a lot of thought into yours . i like of thought into yours. i like it. he says restaurants should be fitted with automatic coded locking doors when a customer, basically they get a code for opening the doors . it would be opening the doors. it would be printed on their receipt after they've paid you change the code every single day, he says to try and keep on top of it. i like your idea, many of the people saying just take credit card payments up front, like what they do in different places, like hotels . other people saying like hotels. other people saying perhaps like petrol stations , perhaps like petrol stations, you have to hand your keys in and then go fill up and then get your keys back from the from the till after you've paid , john till after you've paid, john says simple. take the credit card details before you do it. stop with the tabs, there you

go. lots of people still get in touch about that barbaric, disgusting , dog fighting disgusting, dog fighting behaviour. i think we're all agreed that we want to see tougher penalties for that. one of my viewers, as wrote in and said, kelvin mackenzie for prime minister, goodness me, i think you or whoever you are need to go for a lay down in a dark room. that's all we've got time for. but now, up next, nigel farage. i'll see you tomorrow night . night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar , sponsors of weather on . solar, sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> good evening. it's time for your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met office . there's going to be office. there's going to be quite a bit of rain around tomorrow, but before then the risk of some heavy thundery downpours overnight in association with a front that's still lingering across central parts at the moment. still lingering across central parts at the moment . and we do parts at the moment. and we do still have some blustery conditions because of an area of low pressure over the near continent. but i think it's the thundery downpours across central parts of england into wales, where we're most likely to see any issues. some of the showery rain will continue as we

go overnight, and we'll likely see a few bursts pushing in from the north sea further north as well. but many areas towards the north—west of the uk staying dry. some clear skies, but for most a relatively mild start to the day tomorrow as we go through tomorrow itself, then more rain to come across central parts of england, wales and some showers across northern england and into southern scotland to some of these could be heavy and thundery. lots of cloud and showery rain continuing across many areas but towards the far north and the far south of the uk, we should have some decent dry and sunny weather in the sunshine. it will feel quite warm, albeit temperatures not quite as high as they were today. as we look towards the weekend. and while it is looking pretty messy on saturday, there's going to be quite a bit of cloud and outbreaks of showery rain across the northern half of the uk before some showery stuff is likely to push its way up from the south as we go through the day, and that could be heavy , possibly even could be heavy, possibly even thundery. more mixed weather to come as we go through sunday into monday there will be some dnen into monday there will be some drier, brighter weather at times, but also plenty of showers as well. i'll see you

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gb news. >> a very good evening to you. and welcome to farage with me. martin daubney standing in for nigel tonight. coming up on tonight's show. we'll speak to gb news patrick christys, who is at the scene in peckham earlier today, which ended with a number of arrests after protesters and police clashed as the home office begun the transfer of asylum seekers to the bibby stockholm barge in dorset. next up, we'll head to ireland as they plan to send police officers to the border to stop migrants entering the country, intensifying the row with the uk. and guess where they put

those asylum seekers from a tented city into a