gb news. >> a very, very good afternoon to you. it's 3 pm. and welcome to you. it's 3 pm. and welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news. and we're broadcasting live from the heart of westminster all across the uk. on today's show raids are underway to detain the first migrants to be deported to rwanda. >> is rishi sunak stop the boats policy finally working, or is this just a government pr stunt ahead of tomorrow's local elections? i know what i think , elections? i know what i think, and it comes as more than 1700 migrants cross the english channelin migrants cross the english channel in small boats in just over one week. >> is the scale of the problem

simply getting an unimaginable ? simply getting an unimaginable? >> oh, and another school stabbing this time in sheffield. >> three people have been injured and a 17 year old arrested for attempted murder . arrested for attempted murder. and respecting to hear from the police in this hour and i'll be asking the question, is this the beginnings of a school stabbing epidemic? and meanwhile it follows news that the 14 year old killed in yesterday's sword attack went to the same school as those of the fatally stabbed in nottingham last june. and that's all coming up in your next hour . next hour. >> welcome to the show. always an absolute delight to have your company. so, am i being a cynic or is this clampdown on rwanda the night before elections merely a coincidence? the boots are going through the door as if on cue, a voluntary, solitary perm is being sent to rwanda. they get a £3,000 lump payment.

they get a £3,000 lump payment. they get a £3,000 lump payment. they get five years free food and lodgings. they get a guaranteed job. would you mind a bit of that? you sometimes think that this country isn't taking care of its own. it's taking care of its own. it's taking care of its own. it's taking care of those who came here illegally. and you are picking up the tab . let me know what you up the tab. let me know what you think about that. get in touch or use your waste. plus gbnews.com/yoursay you can get your opinions through me there, and i promise i'll read out a bunch of them before the end of the show. keep getting told off for not reading out enough today . we're going to put that right. .we're going to put that right. but first, it's time for your latest news headlines and it's sophia wenzler. >> thanks, martin. good afternoon. it's 3:02. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom , the wenzler in the gb newsroom, the first migrants set to be deported to rwanda have been detained. the home office says a series of operations took place across the country this week, with more due to be carried out in the coming weeks. officials

have not yet said how many people have been detained, or were they where they were taken into custody. it comes ahead of the government's bid to get flights off the ground by july, after the safety rwanda act became law last week . meanwhile, became law last week. meanwhile, more than 1700 small migrants have boats have crossed the migrants have crossed the channelin migrants have crossed the channel in small boats. this week , gb news can reveal, after week, gb news can reveal, after several more boats were intercepted in the uk waters today, a boat load of around 70 migrants was taken to dover harbour by lifeboat in the early hours of this morning. so far today, around 400 people have been taken to the border force migrant processing centre, official figures for yesterday reveal 268 migrants arrived in the uk on five small boats . the the uk on five small boats. the prime minister says the death of a 14 year old boy in the hainaut stabbing attack was absolutely heartbreaking. rishi sunak has also paid tribute to the police, saying they showed the highest

standards of public service in deaung standards of public service in dealing with the incident. video captured the moment police arrested the man wielding a sword . the 36 year old was sword. the 36 year old was arrested on suspicion of murder and remains in hospital. police say they've been unable to interview him due to his condition. met police chief sir mark rowley says a female police officer came close to losing her hand. >> we were on the ground in 12 minutes and he was detained after 22 minutes. >> obviously some of the first contacts led to officers being very severely injured. >> i went to the hospital yesterday and to see the officers and their families, i saw the inspector whose hands badly damaged, and i was talking to the family and colleagues of the, of the officer, a woman officer who's really badly damaged, arm really seriously damaged. and the surgeon spent sort of many, many hours sort of basically putting her arm back together. >> meanwhile, a 17 year old boy has been arrested for attempted murder after three people were injured at a school in sheffield. officers were called to birley community college just

before 9:00 this morning after reports of an incident involving a sharp object. a child was assaulted and two adults suffered minor injuries. the suspect remains in police custody . police have arrested custody. police have arrested three people during a pro—palestinian protest outside a government building in central london. hundreds of demonstrators held a rally outside the department for business and trade, organisers say. workers and trade unionists also held protests outside bae systems sites to show solidarity with palestinian workers . and with palestinian workers. and violent clashes have erupted on the campus of the university of california in los angeles. it's between pro—palestinian protesters and a group of counter—demonstrators . riot counter—demonstrators. riot police had to break up crowds this morning. it comes hours after new york city police arrested approximately 300 pro—palestinian demonstrators occupying a building on columbia university campus in new york.

speaking a short while ago, new york city mayor eric adams said the protest was not led by students , but those who broke students, but those who broke into the building did include students . students. >> it was led by individuals who are not affiliated with the university. they needed the school, needed the nypd assistance to clear hamilton hall and the encampments outside, and we said from the beginning that students have a right to protest , beginning that students have a right to protest, and free speech is the cornerstone of our society . but as our major society. but as our major concern, we knew and we saw that there were those who were never concerned about free speech. they were concerned about chaos. >> and for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news .com/ alerts. now it's back to .

martin. >> thank you sophia. now we start with huge developments with regard to the government's flagship policy to stop the boats , or at least try to. the boats, or at least try to. the first migrants set to be deported to rwanda have now been detained. and the home office said a series of operations took place across the country this week. meanwhile, gb news can reveal that more than 1700 migrants crossed the english channel on small boats in just over one week alone. and for more detail, i'm joined now by gb news home and security editor mark white. mark, welcome to the show. always a pleasure. i think you nailed it rather neatly early on when you said, isn't this all rather cynically timed on the eve of elections? well i certainly think that opposition politicians will be rather suspicious, martin, about the timing of this , it's clear that timing of this, it's clear that the government is desperate to show that there is some momentum in the rwanda policy . in the rwanda policy. >> after two years now of

stagnation since boris johnson first stood up at lydd airport in kent and announced this flagship policy , which the flagship policy, which the government believed then and still believes now will act as a deterrent to stop those coming across the english channel and as such, we've had a number of raids that have been carried out by immigration enforcement at multiple locations around the country . now, what we understand country. now, what we understand is that 5700 people are earmarked for deportation to rwanda. they were actually earmarked last year before this, got once again bogged down in the courts. when the court of appeal ruled that the rwanda policy was unlawful. and then that was put on hold effectively. so those 5700 individuals have been in limbo ever since. now the hope is, from the government's point of

view , that they will be able to, view, that they will be able to, locate , all of those 5700, locate, all of those 5700, despite, of course, the reports that, well over half that number seem to be uncontactable at the moment. but we'll see how that plays out in the weeks ahead. the plan at the moment, martin, is for the first flight to take off. according to the government , between 9 and 11 weeks from now, if all goes well, if there are no other delays like those pesky court, sort of proceedings that we've had on multiple occasions over the last couple of years and no doubt mark white, as sure as night follows day that will come next. >> and you are right to say, politicians have been critical. and the lib dem leader, ed davey, criticised the government on its rwanda policy. and let's hear what he had to say earlier. mark well, rishi sunak promised to stop the boats . this won't to stop the boats. this won't stop the boats. it's an old

scheme. it's not even his own scheme. it's not even his own scheme. they've had to pay someone £3,000. the suspicion out there that this is about the election, it's not about seriously stopping the boats. i'm afraid. i'm afraid. ministers aren't. ministers are desperate. >> desperate. >> desperate. >> trying to win, trying to win headlines. >> headlines that actually that undermine, undermine their own promises . promises. >> what we want to see, what we want to see. government, government on the nhs, on the nhs and sorting out, waiting, waiting for nhs, nhs, then cutting the cancer, waiting , cutting the cancer, waiting, waiting. we need a government to government focusing on the environment, the environment and the sewage and the sewage pipes. >> tackling crime and crime and the conservatives given up, given other things, that the things that matter. >> we appear to have ed davey on echo there, as if one ed davey isn't enough. yvette cooper mark also saying this is £3,000 per volunteer , we could work out an volunteer, we could work out an average £2 million per person. and of course, marcus, you just reported 1700 arriving by small boats in one week alone. can rwanda ever cope with that kind

of volume? >> well, we've heard from paul kagame actually within the last week saying that he's willing to take as many people as britain wants to send his way. so we will wait to see what happens in the fullness of time. my understanding was always in speaking to senior officials at the home office that they are really pinning their hopes on a few thousand being sent, and that acting as the deterrent that acting as the deterrent that people coming across the channel that people coming across the channel, the people smugglers in terms of their business model, will see that start to disintegrate. i'm not sure whether that is likely to be the case.in whether that is likely to be the case. in reality, it might be a tad on the optimistic front, but they've earmarked 5700 as what they've earmarked 5700 as what they say as the first cohort. and that's what we're seeing at the moment with those that are being rounded up. are you right, to martin, point out those 1700 who have come across the english

channelin who have come across the english channel in just eight days and kemi badenoch cabinet secretary was speaking to gb news this morning and really highlighting how that rwanda policy , he is how that rwanda policy, he is now very much required to deal with what is playing out in the engush with what is playing out in the english channel. >> i think we should remember that we're spending £8 million a day on this issue . that is not day on this issue. that is not something that is sustainable. we have to deal with it. people said the rwanda scheme wouldn't work. they tried to say that it wasn't a safe country. if it wasn't a safe country. if it wasn't a safe country, we wouldn't have people volunteering to go. this shows that the scheme is working . that the scheme is working. people go to rwanda on holiday. i know someone who's gone there on a gap year. we need to actually make sure that this scheme works and that's what the prime minister is focusing on, getting people on those flights and getting getting them over there . there. >> well, of course we know a migrant who's gone there as well , having been paid £3,000 by the government to go . this is a government to go. this is a separate scheme to the rwanda

policy , which would be the policy, which would be the forced deportation of asylum seekers. there have been 1 or 2 eyebrows raised, martin about paying eyebrows raised, martin about paying migrants £3,000, but actually maybe that is cheap at actually maybe that is cheap at a fraction of the cost because keeping them here in the uk, if you just do the maths , it's £8 you just do the maths, it's £8 million a day for 50,000 people in hotels. that's working out at almost £180 per day , which works almost £180 per day, which works out at about £65,000 each year, which then spans into multiple years. so perhaps £3,000 is a small price to pay . small price to pay. >> mark white excellent as ever, £3,000 signing on bonus free food and lodging for five years a guaranteed job makes you wonder it'd be quite a nice little ticket. thank you very much. mark white as ever. now let's cross to north east london now for an update on yesterday's horrific sword attack, in which a 14 year old boy was tragically

killed. and let's speak to our reporter, katherine forster, who's at the site for the latest. catherine a tragic, horrific story that gripped the nafion horrific story that gripped the nation yesterday, fresh detail emerging today. and now the 14 year old boy. details emerging. tell us more . tell us more. >> yes. good afternoon. martin. i was here all afternoon yesterday. and what really strikes me today is how little has changed. the cordons are still in exactly the same place where they are yesterday. still a huge police presence. forensic teams still going over those streets behind me to the left hand side, where that man wielding a sword , roamed around wielding a sword, roamed around for about 20 minutes. 22 minutes from the first call to the police. to the police, actually bringing him down with tasers of course. he is in hospital, in custody , and the police haven't custody, and the police haven't been able to interview him yet .

been able to interview him yet. people going in and out to their houses, they're being allowed to do that now. obviously yesterday you couldn't even do that. but police are taking everybody's names and addresses. but more details have emerged. and really, what are the odds? because it transpires that the 14 year old boy who tragically lost, lost his life yesterday morning just before 7:00 when he was just leaving for school, was heading to the same school that grace o'malley kumar used to go to. that's bancroft school , an to. that's bancroft school, an independent school in woodford green, about 15 minutes from here. grace o'malley kumar, of course, also lost her life . course, also lost her life. stabbed last year, coming home from a night out at nottingham and trying to protect her friend barnaby webber, a really incredible and very sad coincidence . we've also learned coincidence. we've also learned that the boy's mother is a science teacher at the holy

family catholic school in waltham forest. they sent an email to parents yesterday saying that a teacher's son had been taken from this life. suddenly on his way to school. more details also emerging today about the condition of the two police officers still in hospital. sir mark rowley, the met police boss, saying that the man had very severe injuries to his hand, but that the female police officer had come close to losing her hand and in fact, that a surgeon had spent many, many hours basically putting her arm back together. so really serious injuries. but they are hopeful that they will, in time , hopeful that they will, in time, make a good recovery. a very heavy police presence here still. and really, you know, i was speaking to a man quite a lot of flowers now being brought some very moving tributes and

one of them written on the card simply saying fly high, little man. sorry. the community is broken, farron paul is an activist who works to try to, work on knife crime in the caphal work on knife crime in the capital. he was stabbed and he's made this his sort of life's work. i talked to him a little bit earlier. let's listen to what he had to say. >> you need to put our foot down. we need to have a zero tolerance approach to knife crime and the people that use it. >> we need to have consequences. that's going to be a bigger deterrent. and we also need to stop the buying and selling of weapons online. >> to this day, young people can order 21 inch samurais through the post, and they'll be delivered to people without id. i believe across the country everyone has their fair share of knife crime, but me as a london resident, i know that we have a very , very bad problem with very, very bad problem with knife crime and that is as a person of the community and also a person that runs an anti knife

charity . charity. >> yeah. so him saying that he believed that knife crime is out of control, talking to him a little bit later again of course this man yesterday had a sword, but the vast majority of knife crime, over 90% is just carried out with kitchen knives. one of his suggestions is that manufacturers should be putting on serial knives on to knives so that you know when a kitchen knife is used, it could be tracked to the owner, him basically saying all these various bands simply don't work, that you can buy all these illegal knives , get them shipped illegal knives, get them shipped in, get them very easily over the internet. there seems to be a large number of police gathering to my left hand side. now i'm not quite sure what's going on, but obviously we will bnng going on, but obviously we will bring you any further developments throughout the afternoon. martin. >> thank you. catherine. forza i know you found this, situation very moving as have i, and that was a fine young man you spoke

to there earlier with some great ideas. we need to get him on the show. i hope you've got his details. thank you very much, katherine forster. and of course, we'll cross back to you. live throughout the rest of the show. we'll have lots more on that story , of course, that story, of course, throughout the three hours coming. and there's plenty more on our website, gb news. com and you've helped to make it the fastest growing national news website in the country. so thank you very much . now summer website in the country. so thank you very much. now summer is just around the corner. apparently and we want to make it sizzle for you . with an it sizzle for you. with an incredible £20,000 in cash up for grabs in the latest great british giveaway. it's our biggest cash prize to date and it could be yours. and here's how you could be our winner. >> we've blown the budget by giving you the chance to win a totally terrific £20,000 in tax free cash to make your summer spectacular. you could use that cash to splash out on a holiday, make the garden glam, buy a new car, or just save it for a rainy day. whatever you'd spend £20,000 on, make sure you don't miss the chance to make it yours

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flight to rwanda. that would be the only deterrent . they the only deterrent. they understand plenty more of those throughout the show and coming up, we'll be turning our attention to scotland as a no confidence vote in the government. there gets underway on martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel

welcome back. it's 324. i'm martin daubney, and this is gb news. now let's turn our attention to scotland. now, where the scottish parliament is currently holding a no confidence debate. and it could see all ministers forced to resign if it passes. and it comes, of course, after first minister humza yousaf resigned on monday after the abrupt collapse of a power sharing deal with the greens, and that is that debate currently happening on your screens live, as you can see now, let's go now to gb news

scotland reporter tony maguire, who is outside that debate at holyrood. tony, welcome to the show. always a pleasure. so it's crunch time. the big showdown is upon us. what do we expect will happen ? happen? >> good afternoon martin. well i think it's safe to say that the scottish government will probably scrape through today, but let's face it, it's always embarrassing having your dirty laundry aired. and that is exactly what we're going to hear for the next couple of hours. at least now. anas sarwar leader of scottish labour. he brought up this debate . he was the second this debate. he was the second vote of no confidence to be raised last week. the first, of course, from douglas ross, who had no confidence in the first minister. now former first minister. now former first minister humza yousaf . but of minister humza yousaf. but of course he resigned from the post on monday and douglas ross withdrew that vote. yesterday. so anas sarwar, his vote is going ahead today. anas sarwar and scottish labour, they've actually, i would say , been actually, i would say, been election ready for quite some time now or so he has been

campaigning on. but indeed before the snp certainly is ready to get into any kind of election . they're going to need election. they're going to need a leader. and would you believe it , two days on, we still have it, two days on, we still have no official nominations now. we've had some words with some politicians already today here at holyrood. kate forbes made something of a bullet run through the press pack, saying very little whatsoever. john swinney though, obviously nicola sturgeon's former deputy first minister, he did take a very short amount of time to stop and talk to the press. here's what he had to say. >> i have to be very, very careful about my family circumstances so i will not be rushed into making decisions that affect my loved ones, and it's a big step for me to take, so please give me the time off. >> mr swinney. oh, it's not in any shape or form. it's going about. >> it's about people taking the time to make the right decisions for those they love. >> thank you very much . >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> now, there's certainly quite a lot of, what we say, western

kind of chips going on today. and because it does feel a bit like a stand off. will kate forbes put herself forward? will she represent this new era of scottish national party , or will scottish national party, or will it be john swinney who, you know, let's face it, would be the continuity candidate of a discontinued continuity candidate, but certainly all eyes at the minute on snp looking at their their government's performance . and it government's performance. and it will be interesting to see how others vote. but it's expected that, at least at this point, that, at least at this point, that the greens will support the snp in this one. >> okay. thank you tony mcguire. live outside holyrood. and of course we'll come back to that for the full action as it goes on. now let's go live to sheffield, where the police are giving a statement on that recent school stabbing . recent school stabbing. >> my name is dan thorpe and i'm an assistant chief constable at the south yorkshire police . the south yorkshire police. >> i am joined here today by victoria hall, who is headteacher at burley academy. i'm going to provide a statement

about today's incident and then victoria will deliver a statement as well. due to the fact we have a suspect in custody and proceedings are active, i'm afraid we are not in active, i'm afraid we are not in a position to be able to take any questions afterwards. thank you for your understanding . at you for your understanding. at 8:50 am. this morning we were called to reports that three people had been injured during an incident at burley academy . an incident at burley academy. our officers attended the scene and within minutes of the initial call, we had arrested a 17 year old boy on suspicion of attempted murder. he remains in police custody . the three police custody. the three victims of this incident, two adults and a child, suffered minor injuries and were checked over at the scene by colleagues from yorkshire ambulance service . the two adults both suffered minor injuries , one from a sharp minor injuries, one from a sharp object which is believed to be broken glass . the child was broken glass. the child was assaulted and thankfully has no visible injuries, but i know this will have been a

frightening ordeal for everyone involved . i would like to take involved. i would like to take this opportunity to praise the academy staff for the actions they took this morning to help keep the school community safe . keep the school community safe. we are working very closely with the academy and our partners , the academy and our partners, and will continue to do so in the coming days and weeks. burley is a close knit community and while these events concluded in a swift arrest, it will no doubt cause on going concern. our officers will remain here in burley for the rest of today and in the coming days. if you are worried. i would like to discuss and would like to discuss what has happened. please do not hesitate to approach officers. we are here for you to make you feel safe in your local area. i am also aware of some unhelpful content circulating on social media relating to this incident. please refrain from posting images , footage or speculation images, footage or speculation on social media as this will be harmful to our investigation. many thanks for your understanding and cooperation .

understanding and cooperation. >> i just wanted to thank all of our students and staff who helped manage the situation this morning and our staff who prioritise the safety and well—being of all of our students. i want to thank our students. i want to thank our students for their exemplary behaviour and all of the families and local community for their support. families and local community for their support . the school will their support. the school will be open tomorrow as usual and we do look forward to seeing our students and families then. thank you. thank you . thank you. thank you. >> and that was a short press conference there regarding this stabbing at the birley academy in sheffield. police officer there , dan thorpe, confirming there, dan thorpe, confirming there, dan thorpe, confirming the suspect is in in custody. so that's why no questions were taken . and 8:50 am. this taken. and 8:50 am. this morning, three were injured at the bird academy . a boy has been the bird academy. a boy has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder. two adults and one child. minor injuries from a

sharp object which they believe to be broken glass, not a knife. that's the latest until police said, a close knit community and they were very shocked . officers they were very shocked. officers there to offer continued help and a bit and an identical to yesterday's stabbing in north—east london. the police officer implored the public not to share social media content or to share social media content or to post content which may harm the investigation, which of course is ongoing. we'll have more details on that story as they emerge throughout the show. and there's lots more still to come between now and 4:00, including a new report claiming that colonialism wasn't why britain became rich and powerful . do you agree? but first, it's time for your latest news headunes time for your latest news headlines and it's sophia wenzler . wenzler. >> martin. thank you. it's 331. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . in breaking news, a 14

newsroom. in breaking news, a 14 year old boy killed in a sword attack in hainaut yesterday has been named as daniel anderson . a been named as daniel anderson. a 36 year old man remains in custody after being arrested on suspicion of murder. video captured the moment police used tasers against the suspect, who was wielding a sword. he was hospitalised and police say they've been unable to interview him due to his condition . the him due to his condition. the first migrants set to be deported to rwanda have been detained , and the home office detained, and the home office says a series of operations took place across the country this week, with more due to be carried out in the coming weeks. officials have not yet said how many people have been detained or where they were taken into custody. it comes ahead of the government's bid to get flights off the ground by july , after off the ground by july, after the safety of rwanda act became law last week. a former met police officer has been sentenced to life in prison for child rape and kidnap. 24 year old cliff mitchell was convicted of ten counts of rape, three

counts of rape of a child under 13, one count of kidnap and breaching a non—molestation order. he was a serving pc in hounslow when a number of offences were committed. he's been told he must serve a minimum of 14 years. gb news can reveal more than 1700 migrants have crossed the english channel in just over a week , after in just over a week, after several more boats were intercepted in uk waters. today a boatload of around 70 migrants was taken to dover harbour by lifeboat in the early hours of this morning. lifeboat in the early hours of this morning . so far today, this morning. so far today, around 400 people have been taken to the border force migrant processing centre. official figures from yesterday reveal that 268 migrants arrived in the uk on five small boats, and for the latest story , sign and for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. corach rambler . to gb news. corach rambler. that's .

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think that's what the intention was. christine donohue , very was. christine donohue, very interesting point here. in 2012, i was a contract eater at haslar detention centre. at that time , detention centre. at that time, illegals were offered this scheme to return home, except it was £5,000. that's cutbacks for you because of course , the you because of course, the returns deal to rwanda. they're being offered £3,000 as a lump sum. not bad money if you can get it. is it? now we've got lots more still to come. and in a few minutes. did british ingentu a few minutes. did british ingenuity alone make the country rich and prosperous back in the day? and not slavery? we'll get stuck into that

next. welcome back. martin daubney on gb news here. we've got some breaking news for you. and the scottish government has survived the no confidence vote today . the no confidence vote today. they have survived the no confidence vote table, of

course, by the scottish labour party. that means that the snp will carry on, they will not be an election . so anybody hoping an election. so anybody hoping for the downfall of the snp today will be disappointed. that hasn't happened and we'll bring you more details on how that vote fell later in the show. we'll cross back to tony maguire , our man outside holyrood. just to repeat, he was joining us. the scottish government has survived the no confidence vote. now moving on. i'm delighted to say that the author of the report and editorial director of the institute of economic affairs, kristian niemietz , is affairs, kristian niemietz, is alongside me in the studio because we're going to discuss the fact you you've written a book and it's revealed a few feathers. your book ostensibly says, correct me if i'm wrong, that the slave trade didn't economically benefit britain, and it only benefited a tiny minority of people within britain anyway. and you're not

saying that the slave trade was a good thing, but it just economically wasn't worth it. >> that's right. yes, that's exactly it. >> it's a pure cost benefit analysis. nobody is trying to whitewash the slave trade. obviously, we all agree the slave trade was horrendous . i'm slave trade was horrendous. i'm simply looking at the economics of it and the profits that were made through this business. and i'm looking at it in relation to the total size of the british economy at the time. >> i'm asking, is it plausible that that could have financed or made a big contribution to financing britain's domestic industrial revolution? >> and to show the answer is no. it's just the numbers are just not big enough. it made some families rich, but not it didn't benefit the economy as a whole and christian. >> another fascinating aspect of your book, by the way, kemi badenoch has endorsed your theory and that is we, the british, taxpayer was also burdened with a huge bill for this in terms of the military might, the infrastructure . yeah. might, the infrastructure. yeah. so it actually cost the united kingdom a huge amount, the average citizen .

average citizen. >> yes, definitely. it was a redistribution from taxpayers and consumers to a few well connected families , these connected families, these colonial entrepreneurs, people who were who say were involved in the east india company and the slave labour plantations in the slave labour plantations in the caribbean. so it worked clearly for some people, for a relatively small number of families . and that's why we families. and that's why we still see the legacy of that today. some of the mansions are still around that were built with slave money, essentially, it clearly worked for those families. but as you said, that's only because they could outsource the cost to the general taxpayer and to consumers . consumers. >> and of course, you're not being flippant. you're purely looking at this in an economic outlook. when you say the transatlantic slave trade was no more important for the british economy than brewing or sheep farming, but we do not usually hear the claim that brewing finance, the industrial revolution . asian. revolution. asian. >> yes, you could make the same claim about any of those sectors because they were, in terms of

their importance to the british economy. they were roughly similar, and that sense, yes. you could say, okay, it may have made a small contribution, but then you could say that about pretty much any sector. >> and do you think, therefore the, the debate around it is only because of slavery that britain ruled? the industrial revolution is simplistic and misses the point that actually innovation, technology and organisational prowess prowess was the driving force. >> yes, i think that is also the point that kemi badenoch made, that there is a danger that if that there is a danger that if that that's why it matters today. otherwise you could say, well, who cares? this happened 200 years ago, but if we miss interpret the causes of the industrial revolution, the causes of wealth, the cause of why some countries, why the western world grew rich. if we misinterpret that that is going to lead to some bad policy conclusions. if we fall for this misunderstanding that the west didn't actually get anything right , it didn't actually get anything right, it just plundered didn't actually get anything right , it just plundered the right, it just plundered the rest of the world, then , well,

rest of the world, then, well, that's going to lead you to a zero sum mindset, and then you neglect the actual causes of wealth, which are good institutions , simply good institutions, simply good economic policies, rule of law, protection of property rights . protection of property rights. >> excellent. and if people want to read your book, get hold of it. what's it called and where can they find it? >> it's called imperial measurement. a cost benefit analysis of western colonialism. and they can find it on the website of the institute of economic affairs. superb stuff. >> and that's christian niemitz. thank you for joining >> and that's christian niemitz. thank you forjoining us >> and that's christian niemitz. thank you for joining us from the economic, the institute of economic affairs. well, for a counterpoint on that, let's get the view now of the political commentator and activist, femi nylander. femi welcome to the show. you may have overheard our previous guest there, kristian niemietz, saying slavery only benefited benefited a tiny minority of british individuals, a small number of families, the economic cost to the entire nafion economic cost to the entire nation was massive and it simply economically wasn't worth it. what's your take on that? >> well, i mean, a lot of what he said didn't really hold water, but he did make a fair

point insofar as he said that a lot of the benefits from slavery did go to the upper classes in the uk. and we know until 2015, the uk. and we know until 2015, the british taxpayer was paying reparations to people like richard drax , the conservative richard drax, the conservative mp whose family , benefited mp whose family, benefited massively from slavery and were paid off at the end of the slave trade. so reparations have been paid. britain is fine with reparations. until 2015, we were paying reparations. until 2015, we were paying reparations, but we were paying paying reparations, but we were paying it to the slave owners, the reality, of course, though, is that it's not correct to say that a large part , a very that a large part, a very significant part of britain's wealth, is based on slavery and the and colonialism. i mean, when we talk about the links between slavery and the industrial revolution, it happensin industrial revolution, it happens in two ways, or in colonialism, in industry revolution as well . so the revolution as well. so the industrial revolution basically allows for the creation of technological technology in the arms trade and weapons, which continue to allow the uk to then go out and dominate and plunder and, and basically take over other lands. so there's the link to the arms trade and the link

to the arms trade and the link to the arms trade and the link to the development of arms and the development of technology. when we look at europe and we look at industrial revolution, we look at the use of dynamite and guns and stuff. that's that's very clearly linked, and that's very clearly linked, and that's very clearly a way in which europe was allowed and the uk were able to exert their dominance over other parts of the planet. but then, of course, you have the reality that the slave labour that was providing, the sugar that was providing the cotton. when we talk, when we learn in schools about the cotton mills of manchester. i grew up in manchester, not close to wigan. in school i went to visit wigan and we went to visit these cotton mills. we don't learn about where the cotton came from like these. these raw materials that were that were taken up by slaves, then contribute to the industrialisation of the british economy. and so, yes , there are economy. and so, yes, there are a few very, very wealthy individuals who get very, very wealthy as well . but a large wealthy as well. but a large part of what allows the uk to become a very wealthy country, is the slave trade and the colonialism as well. >> one more question for you , >> one more question for you, fahmi, if we can agree then that a small minority , a tiny a small minority, a tiny minority of wealthy families benefited , and yet the taxpayer

benefited, and yet the taxpayer as a whole footed those reparation bills , doesn't it reparation bills, doesn't it knock the notion of further reparations into a cocked hat? why should, millions of people who had no link to slavery whatsoever be expected to foot any future bill? >> well, i mean, do you understand? you understand how tax works in this country? the wealthiest people in the country, pay more tax than the poorer people. if you earn less than a certain amount, you're not going to pay any tax. and so the poorest people in this country, if the reparations bill comes out of a general pot of the uk pot. right. and i'm for all saying to richard drax, the first person to pay reparations should be you. why don't we get the uk state to say, okay, instead of asking the public purse to pay, let's seize richard drax's assets as as one of the wealthiest mp, as one of the wealthiest mps in parliament, whose entire net worth is based upon colonial history and who was trying to sell his plantation in barbados. his the plantation he inherited. >> what about people who've got no links? what what about people who've got no links whatsoever? would you would you would you be would you agree with that then, martin?

>> would you agree with that? would you agree with seizing richard drax's assets and using that money to repay the victims of the descendants of victims of slavery instead of the public purse? because that seems to be not not without not without a full. you're making a not without a full analysis for me of where that money came from . of where that money came from. >> we know and richard and that would be that would be a matter of him to decide or a court of law what i'm talking about is a broader societal family with paying broader societal family with paying back reparations. i don't agree with with the majority of taxpayers paying back reparations, because my point is quite simple. you also the vast majority of people in the united kingdom have nothing to do with the slave trade whatsoever . this the slave trade whatsoever. this doesn't work if we just talk over each other . okay, the vast over each other. okay, the vast majority of people in the uk had absolutely nothing to do with slavery, and therefore why should they be made to pay any future reparations? that's my point. do you agree with that? >> no. i think that as i say, slavery both benefited the uk as a whole , as a country, a whole, as a country, definitely, but also benefited a

few people in the ruling class of the uk. more than other people. and i think that if you're going to be consistent in what you're saying , then what what you're saying, then what you should be doing right now is saying richard drax, especially should be paying reparations. and if you think that the uk taxpayer shouldn't then say, who should say where this money has gone to? who has received this money and who should be paying it back ? it back? >> but do you agree just just briefly, that people like me , briefly, that people like me, coal miners, sons, people from coal miners, sons, people from coal mining communities with no links in fact, our families, you could argue, were enslaved for generations by the feudal barons digging canals, putting up walls . you know, we were treated like slaves. do you think that those people with nothing to do with slavery at all, should pay a single penny in reparations? yes or no? >> the thing is, no one is asking them to. people are saying the uk should pay reparations. people who are from working class backgrounds pay less tax. that's how progressive taxation . taxation. >> so you won't give me an answer. >> so if the uk pays reparations? no. but what you're saying you're putting a false dichotomy. no one is saying that a poor person on a council estate should put their hands in their pocket and pay the same as

richard drax. people are saying that the uk as a whole saying pay that the uk as a whole saying pay the same. >> i'm saying pay anything, look feminine. we have to leave it there. thank you for your opinion. it's always a pleasure to have you on the show, i appreciate it, seriously, i do thank you. now back soon with today's brilliant panel discussing what on earth is going on with over the pond with the stupid student protests in california. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel

welcome back. it's 352. i'm martin daubney. this is gb news. and i'm joined in the studio now by the broadcaster and lawyer, andrew eborn. and the political commentator and trade unionist andy macdonald. welcome to the studio, chaps . my welcome to the studio, chaps. my all male panel, my manall. let's start with you , today we've seen start with you, today we've seen a another school stabbing, this time in sheffield. a couple of weeks ago, we saw one in wales, teenagers taking sharp objects into schools. is this the

beginning of a worrying trend? >> i think so, you know, over the last, you know, ten years we've seen a slightly ramping trend of violence in schools, whether it's peer on peer or peer on teacher and i think we haven't got a government that's taking this seriously. honestly, we've got we've had five home secretaries in five years. clearly, the government are not taking domestic security safely enough. we need someone, whether it's the police , the regional it's the police, the regional police forces, you know, regional councils or the government itself to take a stand, to put into place some policies that will stop this violence in schools. >> and andrew eborn, what might that policy look like? what do we need to do to stamp this out? we need to be incredibly firm on this. i mean, it's absolutely appalling what happens every death, every injury is a scandal. and i think the more that we can sort of turn around and address that. what i liked in particular, though, was the quick cctv footage, for example, with the guy with the sword and how quickly we're capturing those sort of stuff. the police need to respond very, very quickly and very firmly and that will give the message a&e on schools, what does that look like? metal detectors. they do that in america with guns. >> i think maybe some level of bag searching where there is a

reason to, you know, maybe people, teachers keeping an eye on social media, potential threats on places like snapchat or instagram where students communicate to each other, just being more vigilant and just taking it more seriously on social media, making sure that there is that kind of digital awareness from teachers on to what students are doing. >> and andrew eborn, there is this feeling that we've simply relaxed too much on stop and search. we're not putting people in prison for, for, for possession of a knife. have we got to get much, much tougher irrespective of the age ? yeah, irrespective of the age? yeah, absolutely. getting tough, as i say, is key. people got to see the other thing we need is a role models. we need positive role models. we need positive role models. we need positive role models. all the people at the moment are being preached about hate. and as soon as you sort of turn around and glorify some of these appalling acts, that's where the issue is . that's where the issue is. there's a wider societal impact which has to be positive role models , that that's what we models, that that's what we should encourage. and katherine forster was on the streets of nonh forster was on the streets of north east london at the site of that stabbing yesterday, spoke to a wonderful young man with some great ideas. i hope to get him on the show. he's been stabbed. he now campaigns against it. the andes. thank you very much. we'll see you in the

next hour. short and sweet. coming up in that next hour, we'll bring the latest on that shocking sheffield school stabbing as well as the london sword attack yesterday, where a 14 year old boy tragically died. what exactly is going on? please keep standing in your essays. i'll read out as many as i can before the end of the show. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel. now it's your weather and it's aidan mcgivern . mcgivern. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hi there and welcome to the latest update from the met office for gb news. it's a cloudy day for many of us with a few showers around but heavier, more persistent and potentially thundery. rain arrives from the near continent overnight. an old frontal system becomes reactivated as humid air arrives from central europe , and that's from central europe, and that's

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gb news. >> hey. very good afternoon to you . it's 4:00. and welcome to you. it's 4:00. and welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news broadcasting live from the heart of westminster all across the uk . coming up on today's the uk. coming up on today's show, raids are underway to detain the first migrants to be deported to rwanda . it's rishi deported to rwanda. it's rishi sunak stop the boats policy finally working , sunak stop the boats policy finally working, or is this just a government pr stunt ahead of tomorrow's local elections and it comes as more than 1700 migrants cross the english channelin migrants cross the english

channel in small boats in just over one week. is the scale of the problem simply getting unmanageable ? and the 14 year unmanageable? and the 14 year old boy tragically killed in yesterday's sword attack in hainault has been named as daniel anjorin. his school has paid tribute to a much loved pupil . and in another stabbing pupil. and in another stabbing attack, three people have been injured and a 17 year old arrested for attempted murder at arrested for attempted murder at a school in sheffield . that's a school in sheffield. that's all coming up in your next hour. thanks for joining all coming up in your next hour. thanks forjoining me on the thanks for joining me on the show. always a delight to have your company. so we finally got a solitary, single human off the ground and to rwanda. the catch is they volunteered. they not only volunteered, they were paid £3,000 of your money is what they got. plus they'll be

guaranteed free food, free lodgings for five years in rwanda. and the guarantee of a job. not bad, is it? not bad. wouldn't you like a bit of that? how many people out there would like to be relocated? i don't know, to spain or france or wherever, with £3,000 to spend in your back pocket. plus a free house, free food and the guarantee of a job. do you ever wonder whose side is this government on? i want to hear from you. i've been reading out as many of your essays as i can, and i will continue to do so. so please send them in. you go to gbnews.com forward slash your essay. but now it's time for your latest news headlines. and it's ray addison . thanks, it's ray addison. thanks, martin. good afternoon. it's 4:02. our top stories this afternoon. the 14 year old boy killed in a sword attack in north—east london yesterday has now been named as daniel

anderson by the met police, says a 36 year old man remains in custody on suspicion of the teenager's murder. daniel was a pupil at bancroft's, the same school in east london attended by grace o'malley kumar , who was by grace o'malley kumar, who was murdered in a knife attack in nottingham last summer. four other people were injured during yesterday's attack. >> met police chief sir mark rowley told lbc a female officer came close to losing her hand . came close to losing her hand. >> we were on the ground in 12 minutes and he was detained after 22 minutes. obviously some of the first contacts led to officers being very severely injured. i went to the hospital yesterday and to see the officers and their families , i officers and their families, i saw the inspector whose hands badly damaged , and i was talking badly damaged, and i was talking to the family and colleagues of the of the officer, a woman officer who's really badly damaged arm really seriously damaged. and the surgeon spent sort of many, many hours sort of basically putting her arm back together . together. >> police believe a piece of glass may have been used as a weapon during an incident at a

school in sheffield , a 17 year school in sheffield, a 17 year old boy has been arrested for attempted murder after three people were hurt at the birley academy this morning . two adults academy this morning. two adults suffered minor injuries and a child who was assaulted had no visible injuries. assistant chief constable dan thorpe praised the actions of school staff in what he says would have been a frightening ordeal. >> birley is a close knit community and while these events concluded in a swift arrest, it will no doubt cause ongoing concern . our officers will concern. our officers will remain here in birley for the rest of today and in the coming days. if you are worried, i would like to discuss and would like to discuss what has happened, please do not hesitate to approach officers. we are here for you to make you feel safe in your local area . safe in your local area. >> scotland's snp government has survived a confidence vote at the scottish parliament. >> the leader of scottish laboun >> the leader of scottish labour, anas sarwar, tabled the motion after a power sharing deal between the snp and the

greens collapsed. it comes after first minister humza yousaf resigned on monday. now the first migrants set to be deported, deported rather to rwanda have been detained. today the home office says a series of operations took place across the country this week, with more due to be carried out in the coming days. to be carried out in the coming days . officials won't confirm days. officials won't confirm how many have been detained or where they were taken into custody. it comes ahead of the government's bid to get flights off the ground by july, after the safety of rwanda act became law last week . meanwhile, more law last week. meanwhile, more than 1700 small boat migrants have crossed the english channel in just over a week, gb news can reveal. after several more boats were intercepted in uk waters today. a boatload of around 70 migrants was taken to dover harbour by lifeboat in the early hours of this morning. so far today, around 400 people have been taken to the border force migrant processing centre. official figures for yesterday

reveal that 268 migrants arrived in the uk on five small boats . in the uk on five small boats. police have arrested three people during a pro—palestinian protest outside a government building in central london. hundreds of demonstrators held a rally outside the department for business and trade. organisers say workers and trade unionists also held protests outside of bae systems sites to show solidarity with palestinian workers . violent clashes have workers. violent clashes have erupted on the campus of the university of california in los angeles between pro—palestinian protesters and a group of counter—demonstrators others. riot police had to break up crowds this morning comes hours after new york city police arrested approximately 300 pro—palestinian demonstrators occupying a building on columbia university campus in new york. speaking a short while ago, new york city mayor eric adams said the protest was not led by students , while those who broke

students, while those who broke into the building did include students. >> it was led by individuals who are not affiliated with the university. they needed the school needed the nypd assistance to clear hamilton hall and the encampments outside . and we said from the beginning that students have a right to protest, and free speech is the cornerstone of our society. but as our major concern, we knew and we saw that there were those who were never concerned about free speech. they were concerned about chaos . about chaos. >> well, for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now straight back to . martin. back to. martin. >> thank you ray. now we've got absolutely loads to get through this hour. i'm going to start with some huge developments

regarding the government's flagship policy to try to stop the boats and the first migrants set to be deported to rwanda have now been detained. you can see on your screen there pictures of that because the home office said a series of operations took place across the country this week, some police raids. and meanwhile, gb news can reveal that more than 1700 migrants crossed the english channel on small boats in just over one week alone. and there's been a new developments in that story, too. i'm joined now by gb news home and security editor mark white. mark 1700. in just a week and we've only got one person off to rwanda and he went off his own accord. >> yes. well the 1700 figure, i think just goes to show how badly, as far as the government is concerned, this rwanda deterrent is needed. and as part of that, we have now entered this phase of detaining asylum

seekers who have come across the engush seekers who have come across the english channel, not ones that have come today , but ones who have come today, but ones who are part of an original cohort of 5700 asylum seekers who were notified a year ago that they had been earmarked for deportation to rwanda . but of deportation to rwanda. but of course, it all got bogged down in the courts. courts and that was delayed. now the government, belatedly, is moving in to start detaining those individuals again . and gb news can reveal again. and gb news can reveal that 800 immigration enforcement officers are involved in this proactive operation that began on monday and is continuing 800 officers right across the country . they are arresting or country. they are arresting or at least detaining those asylum seekers who are turning up for their regular scheduled appointments. those who are less compliant and have not been turning up for appointments.

they are going to home addresses. as you saw on the images there, and those people are being detained at these addresses, this operation. martin, we can also reveal, has been codenamed operation vector by the home office. it will continue until they have enough in the way of asylum seekers to fill that first flight. then things will slow down a bit until they get that first flight off the ground. there expecting that first flight will take off between nine and 11 weeks from now, providing there are no more hold ups in the courts and that of course, as we well know, having seen it time and time again is certainly a possibility. we can also reveal, martin, that in terms of those who have been detained so far, they are from that group, as i say, from january 2022 through to june of last year, migrants

who arrived across the english channel illegally in small boats . now, the sources that we've been speaking to are not able to confirm whether any of the original cohort that were on that flight a year ago that never got off the ground, whether they are now amongst those who have been rounded up but they are being held. martin, we're told on, in detention at the moment , however, they say the moment, however, they say that their legal teams can make representations and seek to bail them. so you may have this absolutely extraordinary, i think in bizarre situation where 5700 asylum seekers who are currently on bail, having been notified , originally that they notified, originally that they are going to be deported to rwanda, are detained and then are allowed out on bail again,

potentially disappearing . well, potentially disappearing. well, the home office say that they are confident that anyone one that doesn't report they will be able to locate and carry out enforcement to ensure that those individuals are rounded up and deported in the fullness of time. >> mark white, an astonishing development. operation vector 800 immigration officers involved, as you say across the country , 5700 on bail, 3500 country, 5700 on bail, 3500 missing, 1700 arrivals in just one week. mark white the big question is , will it be enough? question is, will it be enough? superb as ever. thanks for joining us, mark white. and joining us, mark white. and joining me now to discuss this further is uk immigration lawyer hardeep singh bhangal. welcome to the show hajare. you may have overheard that there tough talking, coincidentally, on the eve of local elections , eve of local elections, operation vector 800 immigration officers involved across the country to apprehend and process us 5700 on bail.

country to apprehend and process us 5700 on bail . the simple us 5700 on bail. the simple question is, is this just a drop in the ocean? is it performative? will it do anything ? well, we know one anything? well, we know one thing for certain that it's definitely not a deterrent , so definitely not a deterrent, so this weekend, it hasn't deterred anybody , coming over, we've seen anybody, coming over, we've seen record numbers come over again last week, so it's not acting as a deterrent . it's not locking up a deterrent. it's not locking up the gangs. the gangs are still getting paid . they don't care getting paid. they don't care whether people go to rwanda or not. we've had one voluntary return. turns out, to according an alleged report in the times, that that person was going back anyway. and guess where he was going back to? working rwanda. so essentially he got a free ticket and three grand to help him on his way. i don't think this is, really acting as a deterrent. despite what the government do. and, i, you know, you're a good old sceptic like me, martin, on the eve on the eve of an election, elections tomorrow, all of a sudden they've discovered 800 officers, 150 courts and judges , to

150 courts and judges, to process cases, whereas they've had backlogs for the last ten, 12 odd years. it does seem very, very fishy. and the fact is , the very fishy. and the fact is, the numbers aren't going down. detaining people are like your editor just said, detaining people to what? release them again? what? i mean, what is that to show? yeah. before an election, we've, arrested 800 people, but by friday, they could have released 750 or 800 of them. people that proof is going to be in the numbers and see if the numbers actually go down and the gangs are actually stopped, which till this day , stopped, which till this day, till this minute, to this hour, to this second, has not happened. and indeed many of them might just clear off to ireland. harbhajan singh, bengal ireland. harbhajan singh, bengal, because , they won't send bengal, because, they won't send them back to rwanda. the big question is, you know, exactly as sure as night follows day, when it comes to the actual enforced deportation, not the voluntary. here's three grand.

off you go, my old son. have a nice time. deported us. but the actual enforced departures, the ngos , the charities, the ngos, the charities, the lawyers, the establishment will step up and they'll do everything they can, won't they? to ensure no flights get off the ground . ground. >> well, enforced, removals have been going down since 2010, so they've been going down from tens of thousands to almost in 2019 20 to about 2000. and, you know, even in those sort of numbers, that doesn't really have anything to do with the lawyers and judges . that has lawyers and judges. that has something, because lawyers and judges have been around in 2009 when they were enforced, removing about 15,000 people, they didn't stop. the people being sent back then. that's probably maybe to do something with the political will of the government and the fact that the government and the fact that the government needs immigration to, be a hot topic in the elections, because it's one of the things that it's promised in its manifesto. one of the things that was supposed to deliver x amount of years ago, but hasn't

done , and it's one of the things done, and it's one of the things that people are upset about. so to keep immigration in the limelight, to keep it active, you know , if we stop immigrants you know, if we stop immigrants coming here, if we stop the small boats coming here, what is this government going to campaign on? it's not its nhs record . it's not the record with record. it's not the record with the teachers that it's got. it's not the records with its minimum wages. it's not the record with its taxing big billionaires and stopping, or companies saving money offshore. it's not that at all. so the only thing the government has got a political football to kick around is immigration. it needs the numbers to be like this in order. they can have something to talk about at the election . to talk about at the election. hardeep singh, bengal a dish always serve with a healthy dollop of cynicism. thank you very much for joining dollop of cynicism. thank you very much forjoining me on the very much for joining me on the show . it's always an absolute show. it's always an absolute pleasure. you take care. now, news coming in the last hour. and the 14 year old boy who was killed in the hainault sword attack yesterday has been named as daniel anjorin. let's cross over now to gb news reporter katherine forster, who's at the

scene with all of the latest catherine. the news that every parent dreads are now the child has been named. what's the latest ? latest? >> yes. good afternoon. martin. i'm really struck. having been here yesterday, how little has changed at the scene ? we've changed at the scene? we've still got this huge area behind me cordoned off, massive police presence and people now queuing just over to my left hand side to be allowed back into their homes. basically, they're only allowed in if they live in these streets. they have to give their name and address . the police are name and address. the police are logging everybody who comes in and out of what's still very actively a crime scene. but yes, in the last hour we've had the name of this 14 year old boy tragically killed yesterday morning, shortly after 7:00 in the morning, danny anjorin. he was a pupil at bancroft school, an independent school in woodford green, the same school,

incredibly, that grace omalley kumar had previously attended. she of course, was killed in a knife attack in nottingham last summer. the school has said that he was a true scholar, that he had a positive nature and gentle character. we know, too, that his mother is a science teacher at another school , the holy at another school, the holy family catholic school in waltham forest. they sent a message to parents saying that mrs. andrew gwynne son had been taken from this life. suddenly on the way to school, there's lots of people bringing flowers here, really very moving messages . we've also had an messages. we've also had an update on the people , the other update on the people, the other people that we were injured yesterday , the male police yesterday, the male police officer had injuries to his hands. the female police officer horrific injuries to her arm. we're told that , she could very we're told that, she could very well have lost her hand, but had

a surgeon had spent many, many hours basically putting her arm back together, we've also in a statement from the deputy chief inspector , larry smith, who's inspector, larry smith, who's leading this investigation and learnt some more details about the two members of the public, that were injured that we didn't have until now. a 33 year old man, he was struck at the beginning of this attack. the man who is in custody crashed a van into a property and hit this man and then attacked him, stabbing him in the neck. and then subsequently, a 35 year old man lacerations to his arm. he was attacked in a nearby property . we're then told that property. we're then told that the man in custody was. the police arrived within ten minutes. they tried to control him, bring him down with a taser. that first attempt was unsuccessful, but then later , unsuccessful, but then later, more police officers managed to

bnng more police officers managed to bring him under control and take him into custody , we've also him into custody, we've also heard that 19 officers are day are injured in london. the metropolitan police get a lot of criticism around the protests and other things. but, you know, they really do walk towards dangenl they really do walk towards danger, i was also talking to a gentleman that came here with flowers . he works, in the area flowers. he works, in the area of knife crime, trying to change children's perspective and lives. he was a victim of knife crime. he survived and he's now campaigning. let's just have a look at what he had to say. >> we need to put our foot down. we need to have a zero tolerance approach to knife crime. and the people that use it. we need to have consequences. that's going to be a bigger deterrent. and we also need to stop the buying and selling of weapons online. to this day, young people can order a 21 inch samurize through the post, and they'll be delivered to people without id. i believe across the country everyone has

their fair share of knife crime. but me, as a london resident, i know that we have a very, very bad problem with knife crime and that is, as a person of the community and also a person that runs an anti knife charity. >> yeah. so he really feels that knife crime is out of control. and it really does feel like this is a very quiet corner of north—east london people's lives have been radically changed and one family's life in absolute tatters . back to you, martin tatters. back to you, martin katherine forster. >> thank you for that very moving report from north east london. appreciate your time. now we're back in a few minutes and we'll head to scotland, where the snp has survived a no confidence vote. we'll have all the details. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel

welcome back. it's 424. i'm martin daubney , and this is i'm martin daubney, and this is gb news. now let's turn our attention to scotland . now, attention to scotland. now, where the snp have survived a dramatic no confidence vote. the leader of scottish labour, anas sarwar , tabled the motion after sarwar, tabled the motion after a power sharing deal between the snp and the green party collapsed. but it seems now that the gamble hasn't paid off. well, let's cut now to gb news scotland reporter tony maguire, who's at holyrood. tony, welcome to the show. so the snp survived , lived to fight on. what's the latest . latest. >> yeah. good afternoon. we'll certainly it's sort of as we expected the snp have survived obviously. humza yousaf stella's head of the party. but even though the greens it looks like did side with the scottish nationalist party this time, certainly a lot is still looking uncertain in the weeks ahead for the party now we, we saw some kind of comical interactions

almost with one of the candidates to replace humza yousaf , john swinney and douglas yousaf, john swinney and douglas ross, leader of the scottish conservatives , with them, some conservatives, with them, some nickname calling with honest john and not so honest john. and in douglas ross getting something of a repeated scolding from the presiding officer , from the presiding officer, alison johnson, anas sarwar obviously he brought this motion and had he been successful then we would have be barrelling towards our scottish election right now. but certainly if we're speaking frankly , i'm not we're speaking frankly, i'm not too sure how many of scotland's parties are actually prepared for an election, knowing full heartedly that a general election for westminster seats is just around the corner now. douglas ross also had some chipper words to say about kate forbes. well, certainly potential going to be standing against john swinney if indeed john swinney runs of for sure. right now we don't know about either of their intentions, but certainly calling on kate forbes

as an even more stout nationalist than nicola sturgeon. well, isn't that quite something? but certainly, as we discussed earlier, again, it's a bit of a mexican standoff. we don't know whether the old guard and john swinney is going to put his name forward. he's still said this afternoon he's considering his family very much at the forefront of his decision making. kate forbes much in the same, not giving any time to the press today to give any indication of her intentions. still considering lots of mulling, lots of considering and still an snp government here at holyrood this afternoon. okay tony mcguire live from holyrood. >> the snp survive lives for now. thank you as ever. now the people of blackpool south will head to the polls tomorrow after the resignation of their former mp triggered a by—election. and our north west england reporter, sophie reaper , paid the area a sophie reaper, paid the area a visit to find out more . visit to find out more. >> the world famous blackpool promenade . once upon a time, promenade. once upon a time, people flocked from all over the

globe to visit this iconic seaside resort . globe to visit this iconic seaside resort. but in globe to visit this iconic seaside resort . but in recent seaside resort. but in recent years the town has gained a rather different reputation. in fact, the most recent government figures place eight of the ten most deprived neighbourhoods in the country here in blackpool have enjoyed stay at the royal boston hotel first opened its doors back in 1934. since then, the promenade has completely changed and not necessarily for the better . the better. >> blackpool can be beautiful, it can be wonderful, but it also can look very rundown when you drive up and down the promenade. >> so it's it needs investment and i think there's people willing to invest, but it's just unlocking that key around how we can do that and how we can actually change those buildings and that structure. >> tomorrow. the people of blackpool south will head to the polls to choose their new mp for john.the polls to choose their new mp for john. the successful candidate needs to secure the town's future by making decisions now. >> a huge part of what the mp is

going to need to do is, is to create that job and those opportunities and work with local businesses to create that opportunity, because we see and i see a huge amount of talent leaving blackpool. >> they're the ambassadors for the town. they're the future of blackpool here at the heart of blackpool's tourist economy , its blackpool's tourist economy, its tower still stands, its illuminations still shine. >> and yet now for its people , >> and yet now for its people, they feel it's time for change. blackpool says it's about to get a new mp. what do you want them to do for blackpool to invest more money in, like the mental health services around blackpool? >> because there isn't much to offer for young people. they need to invest more money in the people of blackpool rather than the tourist areas. >> make it safer , make it a >> make it safer, make it a better community, especially with the cost of living crisis. >> so do more for blackpool residents , more for the residents, more for the homeless, which they don't actually do. the placements of hotels leaving for three months, and if they don't find a place within them, three months then moved and one of them people. >> i think it's quite sad

actually. it's very sad because, blackpool was like massive , a blackpool was like massive, a once glittering tourist trap . once glittering tourist trap. >> the blackpool of today seems to have lost some of its sparkle. and for its local people , they can only hope their people, they can only hope their new mp can restore the town to happier days. sophie reaper. gb news. >> and the full list of candidates standing in the blackpool south by—election are steven black, independent. mark butcher, reform uk andrew cregan, lib dems, howling laud, hope, official monster raving loony party, david jones, conservatives, kim knight, alliance for freedom and democracy , damon sharpe, new, democracy, damon sharpe, new, open, non—political, organised leadership party, ben thomas, green party and chris webb, labour party, blackpool of course , it ranks as the most course, it ranks as the most depnved course, it ranks as the most deprived local authority in england on seven areas,

including income, health, local concentration and the percentage of people employed and who are deprived. symptomatic, i believe, of a broken , forgotten believe, of a broken, forgotten britain. end of the line forgotten cheap housing means been overwhelmed by the unemployed , by the low paid and unemployed, by the low paid and of course, more recently serco has hoovered up properties and dumped asylum seekers on places like blackpool communities crying out for change. let's see if they get it now. lots more still to come between now and 5:00, including looking at the incredible footage of irish police dismantling dublin's migrant tented city. but first, it's your latest news headlines with ray addison. >> thanks, martin. good afternoon. it's 4.31. our top stories . the 14 year old boy stories. the 14 year old boy killed in a sword attack in north—east london yesterday, has now been named as daniel

anderson by the met police. says a 36 year old man remains in custody on suspicion of the teenager's murder. daniel was a pupil at bancroft's. that's the same school in east london which was attended by grace o'malley kumar , who was murdered in a kumar, who was murdered in a knife attack in nottingham last summer . four knife attack in nottingham last summer. four other knife attack in nottingham last summer . four other people were summer. four other people were injured during yesterday's attack . police believe a piece attack. police believe a piece of glass may have been used as a weapon during an incident at a school in sheffield. a 17 year old boy has been arrested for attempted murder after three people were hurt at the birley academy this morning. two adults suffered minor injuries and a child who was assaulted had no visible injuries. child who was assaulted had no visible injuries . well, visible injuries. well, scotland's snp government has survived a confidence vote at the scottish parliament. the leader of scottish labour and anas sarwar tabled the motion after a power sharing deal between the snp and the greens collapsed. the motion was defeated by 70 votes to 58. it

comes after the resignation of first minister humza yousaf on monday . the first migrants set monday. the first migrants set to be deported to rwanda have been detained. the home office says a series of operations took place across the country this week, with more due to be carried out soon. officials won't confirm how many people have been detained or where they were taken into custody. it comes ahead of the government's bid to get flights off the ground by july , after the safety ground by july, after the safety of rwanda act became law last week . for the latest stories, week. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts.

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martin daubney, and this is gb news. well, i'm delighted to say i'm now joined by labour mp nick thomas—symonds. nick, welcome to the show. always a pleasure. i'd like to talk to you about rwanda , if i could. we just heard in the last half an hour. , if i could. we just heard in the last half an hour . operation the last half an hour. operation vector is the name of the government's new crackdown. 800 immigration officers involved across the country chasing down 5700 people currently on bail . 5700 people currently on bail. will it work, or is it too little? too little, too late? more to the point, is it performative? on the eve of elections? >> well, martin, first of all, it's very good to join you , as it's very good to join you, as always. i've always feared that this rwanda policy is a gimmick, andifs this rwanda policy is a gimmick, and it's a pretty expensive gimmick at that, frankly. i mean , there's hundreds of millions of pounds that have already been spent on this scheme. and if you look at experience israel, for example , had a similar deal with example, had a similar deal with rwanda that it terminated in 2018 because it wasn't working .

2018 because it wasn't working. and that is my real fear around this. now, of course , we have to this. now, of course, we have to tackle this issue of small boats in the english channel. we really have to do that. but this gimmick, this sort of headline grabbing way, if you like, of trying to do it, is no substitute for the very hard work that has to be done to crack down on the criminal smuggler gangs. >> but you would agree , wouldn't >> but you would agree, wouldn't you, that, illegal immigration is completely and utterly out of control , nick? well, the labour control, nick? well, the labour party are going to do. i mean, you talked about having more staff to process them. that's basically what the conservative party has just proposed cracking down on gangs sounds great, but nobody's managed to achieve that so far. one interesting thing you did talk about, though, nick thomas—symonds , was the idea of thomas—symonds, was the idea of pairing with a third country to process and countries that were mentioned , including greece and mentioned, including greece and turkey. is that something that the labour party has got a bit

sleeve ? sleeve? >> no. our plan is in a number of steps. so first of all, we do want to work internationally to break the model of the criminal smuggler gangs. people do not become refugees in northern france. they've usually travelled very long journeys. now what we are saying is that the money that's being allocated to the rwanda scheme, we will instead spend to create a new unit within the national crime agency that will work closely with international partners, not just france, but belgium. far further afield as well also work closely with europol and go back to a situation where we can share data in real time and actually influence those investigations across the channel. second, here, we've got to get a better grip of the asylum system. if you go back to 2014, over 80% of cases, then were being dealt with within six months and people were being

housed in the accommodation that we've historically used instead. now we have a backlog way over 100,000 with people in hotels , a 100,000 with people in hotels, a miserable existence for them. and you're talking six, £7 million a day to the taxpayer, which is totally unacceptable. thirdly, we need to get returns agreements in place. we'd create agreements in place. we'd create a returns unit in the home office dedicated to doing that so that when people are not entitled to be here, they can then be removed. that is a fair system that labour would look to create both the people in the system and for the british taxpayer. >> nick wood, that returns agreement involve some kind of deal with the european union member states because these people are coming from france, we should be sending them back to france. that's where they came from. a safe country . came from. a safe country. that's what millions of people think. but any form of deal with france, macron has said, well, you'll have to go to brussels . you'll have to go to brussels. is sir keir starmer going to do

a closer deal with the european union to sort this out? because that would mean a reciprocal deal where we are duty bound to accept huge numbers across the 27 member states . 27 member states. >> no, no. well, in terms of course, there is important bilateral work with france. first of all, our law enforcement agencies working very closely with french law enforcement is a really important aspect of policing. the situation in the channel. so that hasn't worked so far. nick important martin. >> that hasn't worked. we spent we spent half £1 billion a year. it hasn't worked . it hasn't worked. >> well, in terms of the numbers crossing the channel, martin, you're entirely correct . in you're entirely correct. in terms of the thousands that are still coming. doesn't mean, of course , that both our law course, that both our law enforcement and indeed french law enforcement are not stopping even greater numbers. but i agree that the fact that the numbers are continuing as they are shows that you need a more strategic approach in relation

to, a returns agreement. and the european union to suggest somehow we'd be taking tens of thousands of people is just, frankly, utter garbage. if you look at the situation that we had previously , it was it was had previously, it was it was called a dublin three regulation. and what it meant was that we had the right to return people to other safe countries. and there was a very limited family reunion, safe route. but that is just one aspect of this we need to be looking at this both at source busting the criminal smuggler gangs. we need to be looking at the chaos in the home office, the chaos in the home office, the conservatives have created, and then the returns agreements as well. so it's a systematic approach. it isn't going to be something that one leaver can simply solve . simply solve. >> okay, nick, i want to talk to you about knife crime. we have a terrible, terrible, tragic problem with knife crime right across the united kingdom. we saw in wes streeting constituency yesterday, now tragically named 14 year old boy

who was brutally killed. we saw an incident today in sheffield in a school. the attempted murder of three. there we saw in wales a couple of weeks ago. we've got a terrible problem with knife crime. if the labour party were to get into power, what on earth are you going to do to stamp out this cancer? >> well, look, firstly, we i think we'd all be thinking about the families who've been involved in all three incidents that you've mentioned. terrible incidents here in london, in sheffield, and indeed back in ammanford in my native wales. and credit as well , ammanford in my native wales. and credit as well, martin, because i've been on your show previously, i think debating about the police. great credit as well for the bravery that our first responders have showed in those three situations. now, i also think that we have to be looking again at a number of different things. firstly, we frankly need more police officers and the next labour

government. if we are privileged enough to form one will recruit 13,000 more police officers and we will do that by pooling resources of all the police forces across england and wales. well, currently they are separately procuring cars, procuring uniforms and other things. let's bring that together and use that money, that £360 million to recruit more front line officers. but we also need, with regard to knife crime, i think we've been at various stages of banning particular designs of knives since 2016. we need to look again at that to make sure that we are capturing the kind of knives that firstly, we don't want on our streets, that we don't want traded online either. so these are crucial things that we need to be doing so that people do feel once again safe on our streets. and you'll know martin, that keir starmer has spoken about his five mission to the next labour government tackling crime. halving violent crime is absolutely one of those

missions and central to making people feel safe on our streets. >> okay, nick thomas—symonds, thank you as ever for joining >> okay, nick thomas—symonds, thank you as ever forjoining us thank you as ever for joining us here on gb news. always a pleasure. thank you . pleasure. pleasure. thank you. pleasure. thank you. i've been get in touch with your views throughout the show . and let's go back to the show. and let's go back to we had a debate on slavery and should we pay reparations? a new book out today, of course, saying that britain didn't really benefit from slavery economically while admitting it was a bad thing, we had femi nylander on the show. we had a feisty debate, he said. we plundered the land. walter donaldson says this plundering the land, says femi, once someone gets land, it has to be worked on to make it economically viable. many nafions economically viable. many nations don't do this. they expect international corporations to work it same as dunng corporations to work it same as during the slave trade on rwanda . ian thorne says this if these people are guaranteed a job, then why do we have to pay them for five years? won't they pay tax and spend money in rwanda? ian as i understand it, they will still get paid by the

british government. they'll get food, they'll get lodgings. and if they do start to earn money, they'll pay a small amount back for their lodgings, which they still will get at a preferential rate. nice work. if you can get it. isn't it? now, coming up, we'll check out what's on going on across the pond with these stupid student protests in california. with my excellent panel california. with my excellent panel, i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel .

welcome back. your time is 449. i'm martin daubney, and this is gb news. now i'm joined in the studio by the broadcaster and lawyer andrew eborn , and the lawyer andrew eborn, and the political commentator and trade unionist andy mak. political commentator and trade unionist andy mak . donald, unionist andy mak. donald, welcome to the show. thank you. gentlemen so, shall we start with the student protests in america? have you got some footage of that to show to get the debate started ?

the debate started? >> i guess it's ultimately a question of what kind of community and obligation columbia feels it has to its students, do you want students to die of dehydration and starvation or get severely ill even if they disagree with you? if the answer is no, then you should allow basic. i mean, it's crazy to say because we're on an ivy league campus, but this is like basic humanitarian aid. we're asking for. like, could people please have a glass of water? >> so andrew eborn, that was a phd student at harvard, basically saying, we're revolutionaries. we've taken over the campus, but we're a bit hungry , so we don't really want hungry, so we don't really want free palestine. we now want free pizza , free pizza, free pizza, free pizza, free pepperoni pizza to go with your palestinian for a wonderful alliteration, students have a wonderful, rich history of protest. if you remember all the way back to 1968 with vietnam, same university in columbia, the slight difference there is they don't have troops on the on the ground. and is that sort of side. so absolutely, the right to protest is fundamental to our

democratic system. when you're overstepping the mark, however, that's wrong. what you need to do is jaw jaw, not war. war. that's what you need to look at. and what do you think are these protesters? i mean, they have every right to do it. but some of the scenes we can see here, it's getting very disruptive inside some of these universities. andy macdonald, they they were vandalising beautiful, beautiful buildings. do they have a right to do this to, to occupy buildings and to destroy and vandalise them , or destroy and vandalise them, or are they going too far and losing the room? >> i mean, i've been on my fair share of protests and demonstrations over the last few years, and i think these scenes are absolutely horrific. >> you know, the fact that it's getting violent, there's actually a palestinian supporter on palestinian supporter violence as well. it's not just against the police or against counter—protests . there's counter—protests. there's infighting there. it's a complete mess. there's no organisation amongst them. they've gone and occupied this building in columbia university. they just look like mugs to most people. honestly, people are going, what are they doing, man? you know, you've got this posh university, go and do your degree and then you can change

the world. once you're a big diplomat or something like that. >> and what's been interesting is that they sent in. was it 2 or 300 riot police to deal with this? they sent in the bovver boys. they made a bunch of arrests. they got the you can see there they they're sending in the riot cops. do you think , in the riot cops. do you think, mr eborn, it's time for us to get similarly tough in the uk? we have these protests on our streets every saturday. we seem to have a style of policing very different to what we're seeing here. well mr daubeny, i think, mr keeble, i love it. the reality is we need to crack down when there's illegal activity . when there's illegal activity. absolutely. we need to be very, very firm on that whilst respecting the right to protest. and it was all about divestment in the same way it was when we're talking about vietnam. and actually you can go all the way back to the 1930s with nazi germany. it's all talking about the sort of we don't want to invest, but as soon as you get these unlawful scenes , that is these unlawful scenes, that is abhorrent and we need to be absolutely firm on that sort of basis. and a lot of people, andrew, would like to see, policing like this on our streets. you can see here, look,

they're throwing these metal grates at the policemen. you know, if that happened , i'd at know, if that happened, i'd at an armistice day parade . if that an armistice day parade. if that happened at saint george's day parade, you know, british police would respond like this. yet it underlines the fact, is it not, that we seem to have two tiered policing on british streets? >> i mean, i'm not sure about policing. >> i think there is some questions of the police here. they have been quite forceful in some areas. i'll leave it to the lawyers to, to decide whether or not they've gone over the line. but i do think that the police need to take a stronger stance when it does come to people who are being genuinely violent or and, and are a risk to both the police and also the wider protest. you know, most of the people who believe in self—determine, the self—determination of palestine. i believe in the self—determination of palestine. i look at these and i think, guys, what are you doing? you know, you're just ruining ruining the cause. and i think most people will look at these and think, wow, this is just, just a mess, a disgrace, really. >> but a lot of americans have been watching this and reborn and saying about time now that they're happy, the police are going in and getting the job done and ending what they see as a wave of entitled windbags who

are causing damage and not speaking the mindset of the vast majority of ordinary taxpaying americans. yeah, i think absolutely. as i say, the fundamental right to protest is that. but when you overstep the mark and get into illegal activity, that's completely wrong. and the biggest difference? well, two main differences between what about this particular protest and 1968 about vietnam. as they say, there are no boots on the ground in gaza. they don't have that. >> and the american college students aren't facing the draft, which is what happened in 1968. >> so you need to have a look about that sort of side. and you've got to ask, are they actually getting their message across by doing these illegal activities? i actually think you're basically getting people against you as a result of it. and, andy, do you think that scene where she asked for a slice of pizza and a drink is just almost funny? >> oh, it's just completely out of touch, isn't it? yeah, we're going to go and illegally occupy your building. but please, food. it's just like, come on guys, like you should have at least brought it with you. if you're going to try and stick out there for much longer. i mean, it's just a just an embarrassment. >> okay. >> okay. >> thank you very much, gentlemen. we'll join you again

in the next hour. andrew eborn and andy mcdonald always a pleasure. and there's loads more to come in the next hour, including a crucial update on the government's plan to stop the government's plan to stop the boats. do you believe they will ever do that? operation vector is its name. 800 immigration officers is its game. will it do the job? i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel but now it's britain's news channel but now wsfime britain's news channel but now it's time for your weather and it's time for your weather and wsfime it's time for your weather and it's time for your weather and it's time for aidan mcgivern. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar, sponsors of weather on . solar, sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hi there and welcome to the latest update from the met office for gb news. it's a cloudy day for many of us with a few showers around, but heavier, more persistent and potentially thundery. rain arrives from the near continent overnight out. an old frontal system becomes reactivated as humid air arrives from central europe, and that's going to lead to some outbreaks of rain through the evening

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gb news. >> a very good afternoon to you. it's 5 pm. welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news. we're broadcasting live from the heart of westminster all across the uk. on today's show, 800 police officers have been involved in raids across the uk to detain the first migrants to be deported to rwanda. is rishi sunak's plan to stop the boats kicking into action, or is this a pr stunt ahead of tomorrow's local elections ? we'll have all local elections? we'll have all the details on that story and it comes as more than 1700 migrants cross the english channel in

small boats in just over one week alone. it's a scale of this problem simply getting too big to manage . and the 14 year old to manage. and the 14 year old boy tragically killed in yesterday's sword attack in hainault in north—east london, has been named as daniel anjorin. his school has paid tribute to a much loved pupil. we'll have all the details from the scene after this and in another stabbing attack, three people have been injured and a 17 year old arrested for attempted murder at a school in sheffield. that's all coming up in your next hour. welcome to the show. always a delight to have your company. operation vector is the name for the latest clampdown on rwanda . 800 latest clampdown on rwanda. 800 officers have the power to put their boots through doors to

detect and remove , to deport detect and remove, to deport those from who arrived here illegally, to get them off to rwanda . but there are over 5700 rwanda. but there are over 5700 on bail. is this enough? can it cope or are you just glad that something is being done at long last? will it ever stop the boats? please let me know your views. i've read out a whole load of them so far. got many, many more to get through before the end of the show. you can get them to me gbnews.com/yoursay get them over. i'll read some out. but before all of that, it's out. but before all of that, wsfime out. but before all of that, it's time for your latest news headlines. and it's ray addison . headlines. and it's ray addison. >> thanks, martin. good afternoon . 5:02. our top stories afternoon. 5:02. our top stories this hour. the 14 year old boy killed in a sword attack in north—east london yesterday has been named as daniel anderson by the met police. says a 36 year old man remains in custody on suspicion of the teenager's

murder . suspicion of the teenager's murder. daniel was a pupil at bancroft's. that's the same school in east london that was attended by grace o'malley kumar , who was murdered in a knife attack in nottingham last summer .four attack in nottingham last summer . four other people were injured dunng . four other people were injured during yesterday's attack . well, during yesterday's attack. well, police believe that a piece of glass may have been used as a weapon during an incident at a school in sheffield. earlier, a 17 year old boy has been arrested for attempted murder after three people were hurt at the birley academy this morning . the birley academy this morning. assistant chief constable dan thorp praised the actions of school staff in what he says would have been a frightening ordeal . ordeal. >> the three victims of this incident, two adults and a child, suffered minor injuries and were checked over at the scene by colleagues from yorkshire ambulance service . the yorkshire ambulance service. the two adults both suffered minor injuries , one from a sharp injuries, one from a sharp object which is believed to be broken glass as the child was assaulted and thankfully has no visible injuries.

>> scotland's snp government has survived a confidence vote at the scottish parliament. the leader of scottish labour, anas sarwar, tabled the motion after a power sharing deal between the snp and the greens collapsed. the motion was defeated by 70 votes to 58. comes after the resignation of first minister humza yousaf on monday. resignation of first minister humza yousaf on monday . well, as humza yousaf on monday. well, as we've been hearing, the first migrants are set to be deported to rwanda , have been detained to rwanda, have been detained and they include both men and women. the home office says a series of operations took place across the country this week, with more due to be carried out shortly. officials won't confirm how many people have been detained or where they were taken into custody . it comes taken into custody. it comes ahead of the government's bid to get flights off the ground by july, after the safety of rwanda act became law last week . well, act became law last week. well, meanwhile, more than 1700 small boat migrants have crossed the

engush boat migrants have crossed the english channel in just over a week. gb news can reveal. after several more boats were intercepted in uk waters today, a boatload of around 70 migrants was taken to dover harbour by lifeboat in the early hours of this morning. so far today, around 400 people have been taken to the border force migrant processing centre. official figures for yesterday reveal that 268 migrants arrived in the united kingdom on five small boats . police have small boats. police have arrested three people during a pro—palestinian protest outside a government building in central london. hundreds of demonstrators held a rally outside the department for business and trade. organisers say workers and trade unionists also held protests outside of bae systems sites to show solidarity with palestinian workers . violent clashes have workers. violent clashes have erupted on the campus of the university of california in los angeles in the united states, between pro—palestinian

protesters and a group of counter—demonstrators. riot police had to break up crowds this morning. that comes hours after new york city police arrested approximately 300 pro—palestinian demonstrators occupying a building on columbia university campus in new york. speaking a short while ago, new york city mayor eric adams said the protest was not led by students , but those who broke students, but those who broke into the building did include students . students. >> it was led by individuals who are not affiliated with the university. they needed the school, needed the nypd assistance to clear hamilton hall and the encampments outside, and we said from the beginning that students have a right to protest , beginning that students have a right to protest, and free speech is the cornerstone of our society . but as our major society. but as our major concern, we knew and we saw that there were those who were never concerned about free speech. they were concerned about chaos. >> well, for the latest stories ,

>> well, for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen right now or go to gb news. carmela that's right. back to . right. back to. martin. >> thank you ray. now we've got loads to get through this hour, and i'm going to start with some huge developments regarding the government's flagship policy to stop the boats. the first migrants set to be deported to rwanda have now been detained. and the home office said a series of operations took place across the country this week. meanwhile, gb news can reveal that more than 1700 migrants cross the english channel on small boats in just over one week. well, i'm now joined by gb news home and security editor mark white. mark, welcome back to the show. so for those who are keen to clamp down on immigration, this is great optics. 800 immigration officers we saw on screen. they're putting boots through doors

getting asylum seekers in the backs of vans. but the big question is mark, with 5700 on bail and 7600 arriving in one week alone , is this too little, week alone, is this too little, too late? >> well, it certainly highlights what an absolutely monumental task the authorities have in trying to get enough people on flights to rwanda to act as a deterrent, because clearly, so far, it's not acting as a deterrent. people are still pounng deterrent. people are still pouring across the channel every time weather conditions are good. and once again today, 400 migrants came across the english channel on multiple small boats, taking that total , as you taking that total, as you mentioned there, to 1700. in eight days, just over a week, an indication as i say, of just how significant the problem is, where we're seeing the images there of the raids that took place, immigration enforcement, 800 of those officers involved

in the operations across the uk that will continue, we're told, until they have rounded up enough individuals to fill the first flight, then it will slow down. they'll get that first flight off, they hope, in 9 to 11 weeks time. and then after that there will be a steady drumbeat, to quote rishi sunak, of flights leaving for rwanda. will that be enough, though, to deter the people smuggling gangs who are, you know, to break the business model, which is very lucrative for them at the moment ? >> 7 >> certainly, yes. and mark, a little earlier i spoke to the labour mp nick thomas—symonds about those first rwanda detentions, and here's what he had to say . had to say. >> always feared that this rwanda policy is a gimmick, and it's a pretty expensive , massive it's a pretty expensive, massive gimmick at that, frankly. i mean, there's hundreds of millions of pounds that have already been spent on this scheme . and if you look at

scheme. and if you look at experience, israel, for example, had a similar deal with rwanda that it terminated in 2018 because it wasn't working. and thatis because it wasn't working. and that is my real fear around this. now, of course , we have to this. now, of course, we have to tackle this issue, but this gimmick, this sort of headline grabbing way, if you like, of trying to do it, is no substitute for the very hard work that has to be done to crack down on the criminal smuggler gangs. >> well, mark, what you'd expect, nick thomas—symonds to be critical of the government. but when i repeatedly pressed him on what the labour party would do, all he seemed to have was, well, we'll crack down on the gangs. haven't we been trying that for years, mark? >> well, yeah, it's i think, you know, to suggest that the national crime agency is not involved in doing just that at the moment. is one an insult to the moment. is one an insult to the good work that they're doing? but also the labour approach? i think , has a certain approach? i think, has a certain level of naive naivety to it as

well, because this is a huge business now and a very sophisticated business across the english channel. and just like the drugs trade , yes, you like the drugs trade, yes, you can of course have successes and carry out huge operations that result in the recovery of many millions of pounds worth of drugs. but that just dents the problem . the law enforcement problem. the law enforcement element in itself is not going to bring about an end to the crossing of thousands of people across the english channel to the uk. just look at this week 700 people. as we've revealed , 700 people. as we've revealed, have crossed in eight days. do the maths. it's £3,000 roughly per ticket on each of these boats. that's £5.1 million that the people smugglers have made in just eight days. it's big business. they're not going to go away quietly . go away quietly. >> mark white mind boggling numbers. thank you for that . numbers. thank you for that. excellent as ever. mark white,

home and security editor on the situation of rwanda detentions . situation of rwanda detentions. now, a 17 year old boy has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder after three people were injured at a secondary school in sheffield. and gb news reporter anna riley is at the scene with the latest. anna welcome to the show. another school incident . great another school incident. great concern and earlier on we heard from the police. what's the latest ? latest? >> yes we did. martin, this incident happened at the birley academy here in sheffield at 850 this morning. academy here in sheffield at 850 this morning . police issuing this morning. police issuing a statement earlier to the media saying that they were here within minutes of that initial call being made. and in that call being made. and in that call there were reports of a sharp object being used to attack people , that object being attack people, that object being believed to be broken glass rather than a knife. police confirmed that a child was

assaulted during this incident, and that two adults also suffered from minor injuries as a result of what happened . in a result of what happened. in the statement that he gave to the statement that he gave to the media, assistant chief constable dan thorpe confirmed that the child who was assaulted thankfully has no visible injuries and the 17 year old boy remains in police custody , being remains in police custody, being questioned by south yorkshire police officers on suspicion of attempted murder. this is what he told us earlier. >> birley is a close knit community and while these events concluded in a swift arrest, it will no doubt cause ongoing concern . our officers will concern. our officers will remain here in birley for the rest of today and in the coming days. if you are worried, i would like to discuss and would like to discuss what has happened, please do not hesitate to approach officers. we are here for you to make you feel safe in your local area . safe in your local area. >> a spokesperson for the secondary school also issued a

statement earlier, in which they said that the students and staff were safe, that the school went into lockdown during the incident and that it's closed for the day. but the teacher also spoke out outside the school as well, and said that the school will open as normal tomorrow. education unions as well speaking out after this incident , as well speaking out after this incident, as well as gillian keegan, the education secretary saying that she'd been in contact with the school today . contact with the school today. and in terms of the unions, the national education union , saying national education union, saying that it's another shocking incident happening on school premises , that violence has no premises, that violence has no place in our schools and colleges . and they say that the colleges. and they say that the government needs to recognise the scale of the problem and adopt a public health approach to tackling youth violence, as scotland did in the 90s, and that this should also include urgent reinvesting in youth services and centres that young people once relied on. >> okay, anna riley, thank you for the latest on the situation in the birley canopy in

sheffield. thanks for joining in the birley canopy in sheffield. thanks forjoining us live from the scene and joining me now to discuss this further is a former metropolitan police detective, peter bleksley. peter, welcome to the show . peter, welcome to the show. always a pleasure. although in sad circumstances , as we had the sad circumstances, as we had the situation yesterday in north—east london, a 14 year old boy has been named. we have a terrible, terrible problem with knife crime in britain. peter it's simply getting out of control. what do you think is the answer? what needs to be done? and in particular your field of expertise, what you like, what powers would you like to see? the police have to grapple with this cancer and may i just mention, tragically, a case that's barely had any coverage outside of hampshire this week . this week. >> a man in his 40s was stabbed to death. yet another victim of knife crime this week . and so it knife crime this week. and so it goes on and on. and the

bloodshed continues. the loss of life , the heart height, the life, the heart height, the heartache and the hurt for so many families, the length and breadth of the country, but of course predominantly in london. in answer to your question, well, i heard , mark rowley, the well, i heard, mark rowley, the met police commissioner, this morning speaking on the media about there going to be doing more stop and search. and i welcome that that cannot happen quickly enough from a policing perspective, that is the most important tool that they have at their disposal. of course, each and every time they launch stop and every time they launch stop and search operations, there is resistance from certain pockets of particular communities. it was done disproportionately against black people in the past. but as sir mark rowley pointed out today, young black men in london are 13 more times likely to be murdered than a white young man. so of course

there will be more stop and search of that community. they also need to target. >> yeah, peter, specifically, we're seeing pictures on the screen now of that 36 year old man who is still in detention , man who is still in detention, he was responsible for this attack, this vicious attack yesterday in hainault in north—east london. he was tasered to the ground that tasering surely, perhaps saved further lives. how many coppers as a percentage have tasers at the moment? and would you like to see all police officers, given that power to drop people like this all frontline response police officers should, as a matter of urgency, be trained in the use and issued with a taser throughout the country. >> it is quite scandalous that they're not our police officers. our courageous frontline police officers are not cannon fodder. they are being assaulted in

record numbers and it is absolutely. it'sjust record numbers and it is absolutely. it's just a scandal . absolutely. it's just a scandal. we need to protect them. there is a duty of care from chief constables and commissioners to protect their frontline staff. and the best thing that can do in a fairly short space of time is to issue them all with tasers i >> -- >> peter bleksley, you know, mainlining common sense as ever there and without that taser, without the power to deploy that, who knows what further damage would have been caused. and peter bleksley, i'm sure you'll echo me in saying the officer who deployed that taser was an incredibly brave individual who i believe deserves the highest bravery accolade in the land. peter bleksley. it's always a delight to have you on the show. thank you for joining to have you on the show. thank you forjoining us. i get lots more on that story on our website and thanks to you, gb news. com is now the fastest growing national news website in the country . it's got all the the country. it's got all the breaking news and the brilliant analysis that you've come to expect from us here @gbnews. so

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and keep them out of britain. so why exactly can't they keep zombie knives and machetes and swords out of our country? keep them out and arrest anybody who has one? and davey aggie says this about the rwanda clampdown operation vector, as revealed by mark white on the show earlier . mark white on the show earlier. he says it's great at last. video evidence of detentions. now just wait for the do gooders to come along and put and block every single flight and obstacle in the way of the deportations. rishi sunak bring flight dates forward. then we will get behind you. well, thanks for those opinions and i'll read out a bunch more before the end of the show. now, up next, the snp cungs show. now, up next, the snp clings on and survives a no confidence vote. we'll have all the details on that. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel .

welcome back. it's fast approaching 5:25. i'm martin daubney on gb news. now let's turn our attention to scotland. now, where the snp has survived a no confidence vote, and the leader of scottish laboun and the leader of scottish labour, anas sarwar tabled the motion after a power sharing deal between the snp and the greens collapsed. but it seems now that the gamble hasn't paid off. well, let's cross now to gb news scotland reporter tony mcguire, who's at holyrood. so, tony, welcome to the show. seems the snp dodged the noose. they survive to fight on another day . survive to fight on another day. >> indeed. good afternoon martin. well, certainly it's something of a distraction on a road of distractions while we await the next two candidates to replace humza yousaf. or it could be more than two candidates who know. certainly there's two names. hot in

contention right now, that being, of course, being kate forbes and nicola sturgeon's own deputy first minister, john swinney . now, today's vote of no swinney. now, today's vote of no confidence was one of two. obviously douglas ross pulled his vote yesterday, in light of humza yousafs resignation on monday. but anas sarwar carried on with the vote of confidence against an entire scottish government. had he been successful, well, we'd be battling on our way towards a scottish election, perhaps even before our westminster election. and that was not to be. in fact, about 30 minutes it took for the debate to take place. we heard from scottish conservative leader douglas ross, who got himself a little bit of a telling off by presiding officer alison johnson. and then we also heard , of course, from anas heard, of course, from anas sarwar. we heard from patrick harvie, leader of the greens, who ultimately voted in favour of keeping the scottish government where it is right now. and so they might, because of course, the scottish greens,

they're pro—independence , as are they're pro—independence, as are they're pro—independence, as are the snp, and it serves them certainly to keep a pro—independence party in government , at least for the government, at least for the next couple of years. needless to say, kate forbes well, she wasn't wanting to talk to the press and she made quite a big line through the press pack and quite expertly , if i might say quite expertly, if i might say so. but john swinney, well, he did step and talked to the press for a little while. here's what he had to say about his race so far. i have to be very, very careful about my family circumstances, so i will not be rushed into making decisions that affect my loved ones , and that affect my loved ones, and it's a big step for me to take, so please give me the time. >> is it a standoff, mr swinney? >> is it a standoff, mr swinney? >> oh, it's not in any shape or form, chris kaba. >> it's about people taking the time to make the right decisions for those they love. thank you very much. >> a very, very short couple of words there from john swinney . words there from john swinney. and of course, we still don't have any definite names in the pot. certainly we're going to have to stay tuned to scotland. and what happens over the next

few days until we finally get our candidates . our candidates. >> thank you. tony mcguire live from holyrood . and let's also from holyrood. and let's also speak now to the freelance columnist alastair stewart. alastair, welcome to the show. so the snp survived to fight on another day. the big question now is who will be the successor to humza yousaf ? will it be the to humza yousaf? will it be the continuity candidate in john swinney , or can we expect swinney, or can we expect a surprise? and people in scotland that we've been speaking to over the past few weeks and days, they're crying out for change to get away from this woke agenda of gender identity politics, of hate crime , of net zero. do you hate crime, of net zero. do you think we might see a return to common sense, or can we expect more of the same ? more of the same? >> i think it's going to be more of the same in either eventuality. john swinney was formerly the right hand man of nicola sturgeon , and kate nicola sturgeon, and kate forbes, who's also allegedly in the running, was her protege. you're going to get more of the same either way . the real

same either way. the real question here is how are we going to assuage the scottish green party? because once again, they demonstrated by voting against the motion today that they're really holding the strings with the future of the snp at holyrood, and they're deciding the agenda of the independence movement. it's up to the opposition parties to realise that because the best candidate for them, the snp could put forward is kate forbes, she's still a divisive figure for the left. >> patrick harvie, the leader of the scottish greens , today came the scottish greens, today came out and said that he, the next leader, will have to work on a centre left agenda. >> she is quite right of the snp. it's all to play for at the moment, but in either eventuality there's going to be much more of the same until we can push on to the next election in scotland in 2026 and the only people who suffer in the meantime are the electorate, who are needing real answers to extraordinarily difficult policy issues facing the country and the snp has been lagging on providing solutions for that .

providing solutions for that. >> do you think the membership might get a say in this? if it goes on longer, they might prefer to go for somebody like kate forbes. if she puts her hat in the ring because she is more critical of the gender stuff, she's more critical of the obsession with identity politics. she seems to be more mainstream, which is certainly what we're hearing from the voters. or will it be a smaller, decision taken by the top brass which would favour surely , john swinney? >> i think you're seeing a real divide now. >> that's a real cleavage between the membership of the snp and the political party at westminster and at holyrood itself. the membership . itself. the membership. >> the experiment of humza yousaf has failed. he was a younger candidate. >> he was a career politician. he's resigned because of a situation that he himself created. eight forbes is comparatively also quite inexperienced in government. she has held some senior briefs but is inexperienced . by contrast, is inexperienced. by contrast, john swinney has been at the top

of the snp poll for the last 17 years, of them in government and the last 30 years of them being leading on the holyrood agenda and campaigning for it in the first place. it depends on what the mood of the party is. they're going to lean into nostalgia to get them over the hill and asking them require mr swinney to have a real appetite to lead beyond 2026. and at the moment he seems on the fence . moment he seems on the fence. but also kate forbes is a gamble in the same way that humza yousaf was a gamble and they might not be in the mood for that. >> given how things have unfolded over the last week . unfolded over the last week. >> okay, well let's see how it pans out. john swinney is currently the bookies favourite at 6 to 4. kate forbes, meanwhile, on the inside rail at 4 to 1, alison stewart thanks for joining us on the show. always a delight and there's lots more still to come between now and 6:00. and how do you make the perfect bacon butty? the big questions. make the perfect bacon butty? the big questions . we all look the big questions. we all look at that. oh, dunno about you. i'm drooling. well, experts say they've come up with the ultimate recipe. we'll find out

what it is. and this is going to be a huge talking point. but first it's time for your latest news headlines. and it's ray addison. >> thanks, martin. 531 i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom. our top stories. the 14 year old boy killed in a sword attack in north—east london yesterday has been named as daniel anderson . been named as daniel anderson. the met police says a 36 year old man remains in custody on suspicion of the teenager's murder. daniel was a pupil at bancroft's. that's the same school in east london attended by grace o'malley kumar, who was murdered in a knife attack in nottingham last summer for other people were injured during yesterday's attack . well, police yesterday's attack. well, police believe a piece of glass may have been used as a weapon dunng have been used as a weapon during an incident at a school in sheffield. the 17 year old boy has been arrested for attempted murder after three people were hurt at the birley

academy this morning. police have praised the actions of school staff during this frightening ordeal. school staff during this frightening ordeal . well, as frightening ordeal. well, as we've been hearing, scotland's snp government has survived a confidence vote at the scottish parliament. but the leader of scottish labour, anas sarwar, tabled the motion after a power sharing deal between the snp and the greens collapsed. the motion was defeated by 70 votes to 58. comes after the resignation of first minister humza yousaf on monday . the first migrants set monday. the first migrants set to be deported to rwanda have been detained and they include both men and women. the home office says a series of operations took place across the country this week, with more due to be carried out. officials won't confirm how many people have been detained or where they were taken into custody. comes ahead of the government's bid to get flights off the ground by july , after the safety of rwanda july, after the safety of rwanda act became law last week . sukh act became law last week. sukh and vickers have occupied the

labour party headquarters in london to protest against an oilfield licence. five members of the christian climate action group have occupied the lobby of the building. they've been holding a church service to protest against labour's refusal to cancel the rosebank oilfield licence . 20 others have been licence. 20 others have been protesting outside police have responded to the scene . we'll responded to the scene. we'll bnng responded to the scene. we'll bring you more on that story as we get it. but for now. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts . news. com slash alerts. >> cheers! britannia wine club proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . financial report. >> okay, let's look at the markets now. the pound will buy you $1.2481 and ,1.1692. price of gold , £1,846.42 per ounce.

of gold, £1,846.42 per ounce. and the ftse 100 closed at 8121 points. >> cheers. britannia wine club proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . financial report. >> my favourite part of the show now joining me now is michelle dewberry course dewbs& co 617 michelle, we're about to discuss what's the perfect bacon butty ? what's the perfect bacon butty? what's on your menu, my perfect bacon butty would be one without bacon butty would be one without bacon in it. i don't like it. it'd be much better if it was sausage. surely that would be a very short segment if it was on my programme, i could tell you. and don't even get me started. if you're going to start talking about having brown sauce on it, get out of town. that's what i say. you've got me on a roll now, because i also wouldn't like it with bread. i would like it with toast and i wouldn't want butter on my toast either, because the oil is already there from either the sausage or the bacon. but anyway, i've gone off on a tangent. what? you asked me what was coming on on my

programme. of course. it's may day. labour's day, labour day, workers day. so i want to look at the labour party's, new deal for workers that is set to be watered down. is that the right move when it comes to the balance of rights? where should it tip? should it be on the side of the worker or the side of business? also, do we need an iron dome in this country ? are iron dome in this country? are we right to get into talks with the eu, i've got aaron bastani and peter hitchens coming up to keep me company. and peter hitchens coming up to keep me company . lots more, that keep me company. lots more, that will be getting through before 7:00 as well, martin. but you've made me hungry. now i want to go home and have a sandwich. >> michelle, i'm in a state of shock. i had you nailed on as a bacon butty. sort of lass, and i definitely had you nailed on as a brown sauce kind of lass. i'm in a total state of shock. >> no, i can't stand it. >> and by the way, if i ever do eat bacon, if anyone sitting there thinking, can i make michelle breakfast? you lucky so and so's. i like my bacon incredibly crispy on the rare occasions that i do eat it. just so you know. >> okay, we're all getting hungry now, michelle dewberry. we'll be hungry for your show. six till seven dewbs& co. thank you very much for joining us.

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i >> welcome back. it's 540. i'm martin daubney on gb news now. a bacon butty is a british breakfast staple. but what makes the perfect bacon butty? well, according to the chairman of the engush according to the chairman of the english breakfast society. guys, bewell the perfect bacon sarnie

is made with toasted, toasted white sliced bread, mildly salted english butter, and good old british back bacon. but many have slammed the simple recipe for not including any ketchup or brown sauce. well, prepare to drool, because we're now joined by actor charlie lawson, who agrees with the expert as he joins me now. charlie how can you say that toast is the right way to go? it's like chewing sawdust if you're not careful. >> yeah, i know, well, i'll tell you what. >> i was dreaming of having breakfast with michelle dewberry, but i don't know. >> you know, i wouldn't put sauce anywhere near it . what it sauce anywhere near it. what it requires is it's very important that it should be the cheapest , that it should be the cheapest, softest, gooiest white bread , softest, gooiest white bread, toasted and a nonsense. >> a slightly salted . it should >> a slightly salted. it should be so salty. it should be bad for you. and the bacon should be cooked. quite well done, but still enough to see the fat. and you should swing it down with a pint of full fat milk, because

god did not create the bovine species to produce something that's got no fat in the leg or semi—skimmed. >> so i but i certainly would not be putting hp sauce other products or available or heinz tomato ketchup on on a bacon butty. that's some weird thing they do in godalming or something. >> yeah, i, i do like the bread, as you say. the soft white bread. so when you clamp it in your claw, it almost deteriorates to nothing. and thatis deteriorates to nothing. and that is why, charlie, i think bread is simply better when it's not toasted. it just goes. it goes into a nice ball much eafienl goes into a nice ball much easier. i can't believe you're going for toast, mate. >> well, i mean it. alternatively if it's that photograph you had of that bread that was far too posh. this bread here, it shouldn't have any holes in it. it should be really soggy . and. and if you really soggy. and. and if you want it on bread, the secret is when you've done it, put both palms on top and press it down so it's real. so you could

actually flap it about in the wind. so it's all the salty butter stuck into it, honest to god. and listen, take it from me |, god. and listen, take it from me i, i come from a land where we do the ulster fry. >> so i know all about this sort of carry on. >> you know what i mean? all you engush >> you know what i mean? all you english people, you have this the, the english best english breakfast. and you put baked beans on the plate. the name of jesus . you want tatty bread and, jesus. you want tatty bread and, you know, all the proper stuff that we have . that we have. >> i absolutely agree with that. i actually believe that baked beans and indeed, don't get me started on hash browns. charlie lawson , the hash brown has no lawson, the hash brown has no place on a breakfast very quickly. is it? is it ordinary bacon or smoked , well, i would bacon or smoked, well, i would edge towards the smoked bacon if i was you. just gives it more salt and salt, as we all i was you. just gives it more salt and salt , as we all know, salt and salt, as we all know, is extremely good for you. so look, martin, i honestly , i'm look, martin, i honestly, i'm not a great advert. i love good food. i love proper food, but you cannot beat once or twice a

week a really top drawer bacon sandwich. and listen, one day, michelle, i'll do your breakfast, darling. >> and i guarantee you'll fall for it. >> charlie lawson , plenty to >> charlie lawson, plenty to sink our teeth into there, including the tantalising prospect of breakfast with michelle dewberry. thank you, charlie lawson. always an absolute delight to have you on the show. thank you very much. i'm getting very hungry now. you've been getting in touch in your droves on your your essays. and lynn dixon, on topic of rwanda, says this don't forget we will have a never ending continuous flow and conveyor belt of migrants being sent to rwanda if it ever happens. simon stevenson saying this 1700 arriving in the last eight days, 5700 earmarked to be sent to rwanda. the solution is now quite simple. all of those arriving from today should be immediately arrested before the human rights industry and the useless, incompetent home office officials can intervene. well, you certainly speaking your mind there. well, today's wonderful

panel are up next for the final furlong, i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel

welcome back. it's 547, the final. final furlong. this is martin daubney on gb news. i'm joining the studio by my double panel broadcaster and lawyer, andrew eborn, and the political commentator and trade unionist andy macdonald. gents, welcome back. let's kick off with a debate about slavery. we had it on the show earlier . a new book on the show earlier. a new book has come out saying britain didn't profit from slavery. in fact, it was a massive tax burden. while of course pointing out it was a terrible thing for the nations impacted in the old colony. but this surely knocks the idea of reparations into the long grass. if so few people benefited from it, why should everybody have to repay that bill? it's fascinating. i was

talking to kristian, the author, about this in in the wonderful green room we have here at gb towers, and the reality is that what he was saying is only contributed about 3% to the economy, but the cost of it was more than 3. so he thought it was the profit was net zero. >> that doesn't change the fact that it was abhorrent . that it was abhorrent. >> and that's the reason people repairing. they're not saying this is how much we got as a result of it. they're turning around and saying it was abhorrent. yeah. and andy, what struck me as fascinating about this, if such a tiny minority, a very wealthy families often who were the landed gentry , the were the landed gentry, the ruling class of the time mostly benefited . you represent trade benefited. you represent trade unions. you represent ordinary working class working people. why now should people who had no involvement and certainly no profit have to foot the bill? >> i completely disagree with the idea of reparations. i think it's very silly. you know, i think it sets a very dangerous precedent for many oppressed groups over time. most ethnic groups over time. most ethnic groups have been oppressed by some ethnic group over the last, you know, five centuries, however long. >> i think it's a very silly

precedent to start. >> but i do look at this research and i think, you know, what is the point? what does this research do for anyone, you know, debating whether it was a profit or you only just, you know, broke even with slavery? i think it's a very silly discussion to have when it was a abhorrent thing for, you know, the african nations that were enslaved. i think it's just a silly discussion to have. i don't know why he's why he's doing this research. now, there are more important things that the iea i'm sure could be doing. >> but what was interesting, just on one point, just imagine if they made a loss. what do we do? we go and suddenly say, pay us some more money because we made a loss as a result of it. it doesn't make sense. what christian was also saying. this is not new. >> people have been talking about this since the 80s and so on and so forth. >> but he's now shone a spotlight on it. he's come out and in support of the book on that sort of basis. so it is interesting. shine a spotlight on on history, but make sure we learn the lessons. it was an abhorrent trade. and that's the thing we should learn. yeah. i don't think anybody is in favour of slavery in any side of this debate, but what kemi badenoch makes the point of is often we hear that slavery was the bedrock, the driving force.

without it, you know, the united kingdom would not have been the international powerhouse of the industrial revolution. that it was kemi badenoch. and this report points out, in fact , that report points out, in fact, that british ingenuity and industry and free markets and that get up and free markets and that get up and go spirit was the true dnven and go spirit was the true driver, not taking and plundering from african or third world nations. >> well, i disagree with that premise. i think you know, the slave trade, although it may they may have only just broken even. >> it did set up the infrastructure and the framework for the other trades across that kind of african american triangle. you know, you're looking at silk, looking at crops, those kind of things. it did set up the infrastructure for britain to push forward into the industrial revolution. so it may not have been directly slavery, but it was the consequences and the fallouts from slavery. >> it did push it forward to the industrial. >> the biggest driving force was british ingenuity, which we must celebrate. we punch way above our weight and continue to do so in things like my pet subject i, where we're jumping around the world. so absolutely all praise to british engineers. >> i mean, i think anthropic are doing excellent things here. >> they're based here in london. i think they are taking the fight to, you know, openai on al. but, you know, that's

ai. but, you know, that's another discussion. >> do you think under a potential future labour government, andy macdonald, this conversation might come back? there are a few people within the labour party that seem to think reparations is a good idea. >> i don't think it will. >> i don't think it will. >> i don't think it will. >> i think keir starmer has made his position quite clear . his position quite clear. >> this isn't a conversation he's interested in happening. he's going to push on and fight for what the british people really deserve, which is a functioning government, a functioning government, a functioning economy and functioning economy and functioning foreign relations. >> okay, let's get on now to the most important question in the nafion most important question in the nation and reborn. yes what makes the perfect bacon butty? i'm astonished it came out. i think it's wrong. they toast their bread. i i love seeing michelle on earlier when she said the perfect bacon butty is one which doesn't have bread and doesn't have bacon. >> and what was that about? >> and what was that about? >> i think the best one is actually an lgbt, sandwich, which is lettuce, g is guacamole, which is like avocado. b is your bacon and your t is your tomato. i love that sort of maybe a bit of cheese, but toasted is good. also today it's just been reported they've done a new bread which tastes like white bread, but it's got all the good stuff in it. now scientists have

the boffins have helped make the better sandwich and very good. your lgb t sandwich didn't have the q plus on. i could do that. that conversation was going elsewhere. andy, what about you? when we talked about toasted bread earlier, you also blanched. >> oh, no, it's absolutely ridiculous. you know, the crunch is meant to come from the bacon, not from the bread. i'm a simple guy, a classic white roll, bit of butter, but a bacon, a roll days, not sliced. >> no, i like it. >> no, i like it. >> i like a roll. i think it adds a bit of texture that you wouldn't get from bread. >> now i know that you're a trade unionist and you work for the labour party as well. do you like this kind of soda bread? you know, this kind of modern poncey bread? >> no, no. it's horrible. >> no, no. it's horrible. >> i'm a bit of a bread aficionado. i'm a fan of a of a plaited brioche, if i'm honest. i know that's a bit middle class. >> do you have bacon in a platter? brioche? >> no, you wouldn't have it with butter with a bit of jam. but no, i keep it simple. >> what about this one on your screen here? >> that's quite see, for me, that's too overdone. that too woke. >> that's woke. >> that's woke. >> i like, i like a bit of crisp. you want to play with your senses, with your taste buds.so your senses, with your taste buds. so you want to have the

crunch. you want to be able to have the other bits and pieces. so i think you're right. you have the hot bacon and the cold bread that works in an interesting way. that was a sour dough bread, which i believe is simply a way of taking money off the middle classes. it rips your palate apart, it's overpriced and there's no butter on it. you've got to have butter. no, you have to have butter because it melts in that. i also think you have to have ketchup, because i think. but also the best way of enjoying your bacon sandwich is how you like it. telling people how to eat a bacon sandwich is the worst thing we could possibly do. you're a southerner. you like tommy k? i'm assuming you're from nottinghamshire. you're a brown sauce fella, i am. >> i am happy all the way, man. >> i am happy all the way, man. >> same as me. now, this fella, he said no sauce. he said no brown, no red, just butter toasted. keep it simple. and the bacon has to be back. bacon. final question. plain all smoked. smoked plain or smoked? smoked. we're all three smokers rachel ayers turf. and that's it. that's it for today. thank you very much for joining us. andy macdonald and andrew eborn. great fun. and to the show. and i don't know about you, i'm absolutely hank marvin. we've covered all sorts of topics . you covered all sorts of topics. you got the one that's a joke joke of a certain vintage shall we

say. now i'll be back tomorrow, three till 6 pm, but coming up after this, of course, is michelle dewberry, who earlier on said a perfect bacon sandwich contains no bacon. i'm. i'm in a state of shock. i cannot believe it. i had a nailed down as a bacon butty. las all along, and she doesn't even like any sauce. astonishing and that's enough from me. i'm getting very hungry. let's move on. now it's time for your weather and it's aidan mcgivern . aidan mcgivern. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hi there and welcome to the latest update from the met office for gb news. it's a cloudy day for many of us with a few showers around but heavier, more persistent and potentially thundery. rain arrives from the near continent overnight. an old frontal system becomes reactivated as humid air arrives from central europe , and that's

from central europe, and that's going to lead to some outbreaks of rain through the evening across the midlands, central, southern england, wales, northern ireland, perhaps southwest scotland, and then by midnight , thundery showers midnight, thundery showers arrive from the continent, hit and miss downpours , but these and miss downpours, but these could be lively if they occur across central southern england into the midlands and mid wales. by into the midlands and mid wales. by the morning. frequent lightning , hail, torrential lightning, hail, torrential downpours. so really it's across the southern third of the uk where we could see some heavy rain as we start off thursday. persistent wet weather for wales in the southwest . thundery in the southwest. thundery showers elsewhere. much drier and calmer for northern ireland, northern england, scotland some decent sunny spells in places, particularly for central and western scotland and feeling warm here with the sunshine up to 21 or even 22 celsius, perhaps 23, and 1 or 2 very warm spots. also warm for northern ireland through the midlands, but cold on the north sea coast, with the breeze coming from the nonh with the breeze coming from the north sea. a lot of low cloud that continues into friday. and on friday we're going to see the best of the sunshine in the

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