vote . i would remove that final vote for members, when the party is in government. >> but as ever, i'll be making the case that the voice of the people is the voice of god. sir keir starmer has put his flip flops back on for the second time in a week. first, he went from defunding the police to funding the police. now we've gone from not knowing what a woman is to knowing what a woman is. plus, god save the king. our sovereign is back to public dufies sovereign is back to public duties today after his cancer diagnosis as he visits a cancer centre in london with the queen. but which other member of the royal family is putting her dancing shoes on for a spin in the strictly ballroom state of the strictly ballroom state of the nation starts now. i'll also be joined by my most theatrical panel this evening , theatrical panel this evening, barrister and former tory mp jerry hayes, and the pr consultant and former labour aide stella santykiu, as always,

as you know, i want to hear from you. it's a crucial part of the programme. email me mailmogg@gbnews.com. but now it's what you've all been waiting for. the news bulletin with ray addison. >> good evening, i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom, video has emerged showing the moment police arrested a man wielding a sword in north—east london. officers cornered him at a property , bringing the suspect property, bringing the suspect to the ground with three separate taser discharges. he's been arrested on suspicion of murder following the death of a 14 year old boy. the 36 year old suspect is now in hospital. police saying that they've been unable to interview him yet due to his condition . four other to his condition. four other people were injured, including two police officers . earlier, two police officers. earlier, buckingham palace said the king's thoughts and prayers are with all those affected. assistant commissioner louisa rolfe says the suspect was not known to them . known to them. >> the 36 year old man arrested at the scene is currently in

hospital having suffered injuries when his van collided with a building. he has been arrested on suspicion of murder at this time. given his injuries, we have been unable to interview him. we know there is speculation about his background, including police contact with him and despite urgent and extensive checks today, we have found no trace of a prior incident involving him so far . so far. >> a jealous ex—partner who killed a mother in front of her two children has been handed a life sentence . 46 year old life sentence. 46 year old robert moyo attacked 35 year old perseverance ncube in her bedroom before chasing her into the street. once there , he the street. once there, he stabbed her through the heart. he's been told he must serve a minimum of 27 years. king charles has revealed his shock at being diagnosed with cancer as he returned to official pubuc as he returned to official public duties for the first time since his diagnosis , as he since his diagnosis, as he visited a cancer treatment centre alongside the queen to

meet medical specialists and patients. when asked about the state of his health, he said that he was well. the king has been announced as the new patron of cancer research uk , taking of cancer research uk, taking over from his mother, the late queen elizabeth. sir keir starmer says the people of scotland should be allowed to have a say on who becomes the next leader of the snp after a motion of no confidence in the scottish government was tabled by the labour party. there that will be debated and voted on now tomorrow . humza yousaf announced tomorrow. humza yousaf announced that he was stepping down as first minister on monday. he will continue in that post until a replacement can be found . and a replacement can be found. and finally, donald trump has been threatened with jail for violating a gag order in his hush money trial. judge juan machan fined the former president just $9,000, but he warned him that any further infractions could lead to incarceration. macron had imposed the gag order to prevent mr trump from criticising

witnesses . he was fined $1,000 witnesses. he was fined $1,000 for each of nine online statements. trump has argued that the gag order violates his right to freedom of speech . right to freedom of speech. well, for the latest stories, why not sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen? or go to gb news common alerts. now, the moment you really have all been waiting for. jacob rees—mogg . for. jacob rees—mogg. >> welcome back to state of the nation. the energy secretary , nation. the energy secretary, claire coutinho, has courageously channelled challenged the extreme ideology of green ism in a landmark speech which warned that the net zero agenda and its policies could crush british businesses if not implemented properly. speaking today at the innovation zero conference, she told technology entrepreneurs that climate policy is at a fork in the road, going on to say that the road, going on to say that the first path is one i do not want to take us down. it is one with an ever increasing and

narrowing set of targets where the government dictates outputs and prices and a net zero leviathan of central planning crushes our brilliant enterprise economy. these astute concerns complement the sensible delays made by the prime minister to some of the net zero deadlines, such as the 2030 new petrol and diesel car ban or the boiler tax. but while the energy secretary declared the alternative direction of travel as one that still includes a vision of net zero, i would suggest an alternative vision for the direction away from eco fanaticism. imagine a world where we made use of cheap gas resources, where our gas power stations remained on indefinitely. at the moment, we turn them on and off intermittently , which is not intermittently, which is not only inefficient, but also means providers charge higher prices to consumers. imagine a world in which we wouldn't have to decarbonise our grid by 2035, which will cost you £105 billion, or 2030. in the labour party's case, which will cost you an additional £116 billion in the past year. just over a third of our energy came from

renewable resources. but in a world in which the grid is fully decarbonised, why on earth would the rest of our energy come from? the answer is nowhere. so we be needlessly facing blackouts, the world without grid decarbonisation would lead to a world in which we would provide cheap energy for british consumers. imagine a world in which we wouldn't force consumers to buy electric cars, not least because there aren't enough charging points across the country, but also because they can't travel long enough distances or pull heavy enough loads. not to mention the fact that the cheapest new one on the market is about £20,000. british consumers would be allowed to keep more of their own money. similarly, a world in which we didn't force people to buy heat pumps costing up to £14,000 compared to the average boiler of £2,000, but again let consumers keep more of their money. imagine, in a world in which our economy was competitive and houses warm, because electricity costs $0.17 per kilowatt hour, as it does in the united states , run the $0.44 the united states, run the $0.44 it currently costs here. well, the point is, we don't need to

imagine this world. it is well within our grasp . we can delay within our grasp. we can delay the net zero agenda, provide cheap energy for british consumers, let markets lead the way with british consumers free to make their own choices and unleash britain's economic growth. this doesn't have to be a fantasy. we can make this britain's reality. the real fantasy is net zero by 2050. as even fantasy is net zero by 2050. as ever. let me know your thoughts mailmogg@gbnews.com. but i'm joined now by dale vince, founder of ecotricity and a labour supporter. dale, thank you very much for joining me. you very much forjoining me. i think this is a really important speech by claire coutinho saying that we can't move before the technology is ready and that we only make 1% of the emissions anyway, and we've done our share of the heavy lifting . of the heavy lifting. >> well, you know, i thought it was, big on rhetoric, light on fact. actually, the idea that the technology is not here for a starter is untrue , but all of

starter is untrue, but all of the technology we need for the green transition is with us now, the idea that it will cost us more to implement it is not true. it's cheaper to go green than not. the obr told us that a few months ago. you'll have probably read their report. it'll cost twice as much to stick with fossil fuels as it will to transition to green energy. and the idea that we have central planning and prices dictated by the government is also untrue. >> well, as you know perfectly well , green >> well, as you know perfectly well, green energy is more expensive because currently it has to have hydrocarbon energy on standby and that means you have the capital cost of the, carbon fuels to be ready and you have to have the extra cost of starting up and running down the power station, run on gas, which is much more expensive. >> there's a huge cost created by green energy. >> well, i dispute the conclusion that because of that, green energy is more expensive than fossil fuels. >> so where do you attribute the cost of that then?

>> the cost is in the grid. it's real. it's not as big as it's made out to be, but it does not make the cost of renewable energy more than the cost of fossil fuels. the cheapest forms of energy we have available to us now are from the wind and the sun. and, i don't know if you're aware, but we spend £16 billion aware, but we spend £16 billion a year subsidies using the fossil fuel industry. that's £500 per household. but that's nonsense. >> where does that subsidy come from? explain that subsidy . from? explain that subsidy. >> this is a report by the imf, last year the uk spent £16 billion subsidising fossil fuels and no subsidies for fossil fuels. >> this is simply untrue. this is an argument made by the green lobby with no evidence for it . lobby with no evidence for it. >> i'm talking about the imf. is that a green lobby? >> well, the imf gets lots of things wrong. it's forecast the uk economy have been consistently wrong. but tell me where these subsidies are. >> well, i haven't anyone's people have ever mentioned i read the conclusion. you read the conclusion. well why don't you read the full document, come

back on and tell me where these subsidies are, because no one who's come on has been able to point to these subsidies for fossil fuels. i'm pointing, oh, no, no, tax breaks are not subsidies. >> the two are completely different. any business that buys capital assets is allowed to write that asset off against tax, because it is a cost of doing business. you're saying companies should be taxed on their cost of doing business in a way no other business is. that's not a subsidy . that's not a subsidy. >> i'm talking about tax relief over and above the normal write downs that businesses can apply. >> they don't get beyond the 100% write offs that ordinary businesses get. they get 100% write off of investment in assets. >> rosebank in the north sea. rishi sunak gave them £3 billion of our to money a norwegian energy company, and the oil that it makes will never even land here. >> the money they get through tax is for dismantling assets that have a high cost and that

they can offset against their tax bill. but that's true of all businesses . there is no subsidy businesses. there is no subsidy for fossil fuels in this country, which are enormously, heavily taxed. if you fill up your car with petrol, you will see how heavily taxed fossil fuels are. there is the windfall tax on energy companies. it's just not true to say they are subsidised. and you know that you're far too clever to be making these things up. >> you missed what i said about rosebank. >> rosebank is a new investment. it hasn't got government money to do it. it will be a commercial opportunity. >> that's not true. it's £3 billion of government money given to a norwegian energy company . do you not know? company. do you not know? >> this is being done on a commercial basis. rosebank is a commercial basis. rosebank is a commercial opportunity and the gas will generate profit and tax for the country . and you've also for the country. and you've also you've also. let's come back also to your point on the technology not being there because that's not that's not what clare said. clare said the idea that there was no better technology to be developed was

false, and surely that's true. >> i was responding to what you said at the start of it. when you spoke to me, you said that's what she said. the technology wasn't here yet. >> she said in her speech, have you read her speech? >> i've read news reports of it. >> i've read news reports of it. >> okay. so you haven't read her speech, which you said was light on detail. so it's pretty pointless doing an interview on it if you haven't bothered to read it. >> everything you said. i've read, everything you said i read and i say that's light on detail. that's just rhetoric. but actually i was referring to her speech, which you couldn't be bothered to read . i've read be bothered to read. i've read about it in the news. and you you repeated everything that i there's no point in there's no point in not bothering to do your homework before coming on. >> thank you. dale do your homework. i'm joined now by james alexander, the chief executive of uk sustainable investment and finance association, who may actually have taken the trouble to read the speech and know a bit about it. it seems to me this is important because she's saying that with investment and with developments of technology,

there may be a route to net zero. she's not as pessimistic about as i am, but that this hair shirt approach is not the right one to take. >> well, i think i think some of the very interesting things that the very interesting things that the energy secretary did say in her speech were that we need to have new innovation in the uk, that we are a powerhouse for, for already creating innovation in our universities are amongst the top in the world for inventing new things. i think the challenge for the uk is how do we create the investment opportunities here in the uk to drive growth, jobs and growth in the renewable energy industry for the future? >> and the question that she made a very good point, which i'm so pleased she made actually, because politicians usually come out with this platitude that businesses want certainty. and of course, the whole success of business is uncertainty is working out where the next opportunity will be. so how do we get the uk to be the best place to invest and innovate? is this about command and control, or is it, as i would argue about, structures that encourage capital in this

country , about the tax regime, country, about the tax regime, indeed about the planning regime , so that people can set up operations relatively efficiently? >> i think, yeah, i think i think you're absolutely right. we need to create the opportunity and the, the environment in the uk where businesses and investors want to invest. now our organisation , invest. now our organisation, uk, sif, we bring together £19 trillion of assets across the uk. the major investors of the uk, and they are keen to invest here. they see the uk as a good investment opportunity. they're actually very keen to invest in the renewable energy in the future of sustainability. they see that as a core positive direction to go. they do want to have some policy certainty because they're investing for ten, 15, 20 years. they want to know, but also they're very interested in figuring out and understanding what government thinks about that so that they can come on board with that agenda. >> but there are some things that government can't tell. so i went recently to see the jcb hydrogen plant , and went recently to see the jcb hydrogen plant, and i happen to think that hydrogen is a really exciting opportunity and probably the best long term opportunity, and probably better

than batteries . opportunity, and probably better than batteries. but this is a decision that ultimately will be made by the market. as long as the governments don't get in the way and regulate in favour of one technology rather than another. so my concern would be government directing and then getting the direction wrong . getting the direction wrong. >> so i'm not sure it's the job of the government to determine which technology is the right one, what it is. the job of the government to do is to create an investment environment where investment environment where investment can flow. now, what we're seeing in the us is the inflation reduction act is subsidising a whole load of different things. now, we are not saying in the uk that we need subsidies, but what we are saying is that we need to make the uk a comparatively better investment opportunity than the united states. with that subsidy regime is that things like getting rid of solvency two. >> so that you free up capital held by, in this case, insurance companies, so they can take on a higher risk and more venture investments from the ones they were able to beforehand. >> well, what we don't want to do is tell insurance companies and pension funds where to invest. but what we do want to

do is make sure that the blockers that are in the system are being removed. now, what you mentioned planning earlier, we have a huge problem in the uk of how long it takes to have planning to get planning permission and the unpredictability of the outcome. equally, i think your previous guest talked about the grid and the need to make sure that if you are going to build a, say, a wind farm or a solar farm, you can actually plug it into something. these are the things that stop projects in their tracks. we've got investors and you talked about energy storage and baseload and other things. we've got investors in our network that are really keen to invest in energy storage and other things. they've been given grid connection times in the 2030s. now that is what stops a project in its tracks. now, if we come as a country now, that means government, investors, companies working together in partnership to unblock those barriers. there is a huge wall of capital that can flow into the uk. and if we work together, we can make that happen. >> and what are other countries doing in terms of the grid? because the net zero project requires an enormous increase in the amount of electricity, that's being used, and therefore a huge increase in capacity . we a huge increase in capacity. we have difficulties because of planning and because of the size

of the pylons. that's going to be need needed and the long time it takes to build nuclear power stations and so on. what are the countries doing that may be getting them ahead faster? >> so other countries are looking at ways to get private investment into all of these things. now historically, our grid has not really been funded in that way. we need to find a way. and it's very durable. there is certainly lots of private money out there to get that private capital into the into the grid and then into the energy projects that will plug into that grid . and so it's a into that grid. and so it's a win win because what it does is it gives stable long term energy pnces it gives stable long term energy prices that are not reliant on fluctuating oil and gas prices. it gives that energy security for the country that we need because it's home grown, home delivered energy and it's delivered energy and it's delivered directly to the places where it's most needed. excellent >> well, thank you very much, james. coming up in a leaked recording , the chairman of the recording, the chairman of the 1922 committee has said tory members should not have the final say on who becomes tory leader. plus, long live the king. king charles carried out his first public engagement

since his cancer diagnosis. today i'll be joined by a palace insider to find out which member of the royal family may also be foxtrotting her way to the strictly ballroom

well, as you were paying close attention . you know, we were attention. you know, we were discussing net zero and energy security . and whilst we were security. and whilst we were doing that, we did a poll of gb news members. should we abandon our pursuit of net zero? and the response is staggering. 96% said yes, 3% said no, and 1% didn't know. and on the male mogs, one person said we should definitely abandon net zero. jacob. it's completely pointless when the world's superpowers are not adhenng world's superpowers are not adhering to any major protocols and changes in their agenda. and another said, any rational person must realise that the pursuit of net zero is a complete folly. it will have

disastrous consequences for the uk. the telegraph, the daily telegraph the torygraph has obtained a leaked recording of the chairman of the 1922 committee, sir graham brady's speech to a group of students at durham university. >> colleagues have the party members voting for the leader. when you're in opposition, but in a parliamentary system where essentially you can only remain prime minister if you enjoy the confidence in your party, in parliament, it seems to me crazy. we now have different mechanisms in that the parliamentary party, the conservative varne, can get rid of the leader by voting with confidence, but then the leader is supplied by the party members. i would remove that final vote for the members. >> when the party is in government . government. >> well, sir graham is an admiral, chairman of the 1922 committee, the longest in its history. but on this occasion he is wrong. the role of the committee set up, incidentally,

in 1923 rather than 1922, is there to provide a means for backbench mps to voice their concerns and has a role in the party constitution for selecting a party leader as it stands, even when the tories are in office. mps select two candidates before party members vote for the winner. this ensures a popular election and extends democracy beyond the narrow westminster village . narrow westminster village. well, i'm joined now by my most theatrical panel. jerry hayes is sort of limbering up to be theatrical. i am, and the former labour aide, stella santykiu, stella, let me come to you first and we'll let jerry stew for a moment or two. isn't it always very hard to remove democracy once you've said a wider group shall have a vote, then say, well, actually, we don't want like what the wider group said, so we'll get a smaller electorate is very difficult. >> i agree with you. there is a point there, but i also agree with graham brady because the point is it is very hard to govern over the parliamentary party when you don't have the confidence of members of

parliament. and you would i would also argue you would expect members of parliament to vote for the leader who they believe is the most likely to win the next general elections. they wouldn't just vote with their personal politics, they would also vote with the kind of person who they think would would win. you're looking at me soaked. no, because i'm afraid to say you're being very generous. >> most mps vote on the basis of his most likely to give them a job. yes. >> oh, yeah. i'm sorry about that. >> that's why my eyebrows were disappearing into outer space. jerry, let me give you a chance to have a go on this. >> well, you see, if we'd had democracy in the proper way, as it's now, is in all the parties might . it's now, is in all the parties might. margaret it's now, is in all the parties might . margaret thatcher would might. margaret thatcher would never have been prime minister. it would have been willy whitehall. it's madness to give it madness is to give it to alec douglas—home, would never have been prime minister and he nearly won the election. he nearly won the election. he nearly won the election, but i don't i think my point is you can't change back. so system. no, of course you can't. the magic circle may have been great

in no, it wasn't, it was terrible. but, the mps aren't that good a bunch at getting it right. their track record is by no means perfect, and once you've broadened the electorate to narrow it again is very hard. >> but you've got a choice, haven't you? between one lot of mad people and another lot of mad people and another lot of mad people. and this is you. are you? yeah >> well, that's the wrong argument. >> that's. it's the argument that everyone makes about liz truss being selected. they say, look what happens when you give members a choice. they go and they, they, they pick the worst kind of the worst. they did the worst option. but that's not the case because if members had the vote to begin with, then it would be a selection between kevin campbell and penny morton. and the same in 1997 1997. if members had the choice to begin with, it would have been ken clarke, who would have been the leader of the conservatives, not william hague. >> no, i'm not so sure about that. >> but penny more. >> but penny more. >> but penny more. >> but i think stella makes a very good point that actually we should probably offer more names to the members. but i think

there's another point that i think we have evolved to the point where we are such a presidential system that when you change, prime minister you ought to go to a general election. >> yes, but people want to win, don't they? and therefore it's not a very good idea to do that. >> it makes they may not win, but it also makes you less likely to change leader midway. >> it may do. i think brady's got quite a good point here, i mean, you were a great defence traitor. i mean, you were part of the nemesis of theresa may. >> indeed. i wanted her to go. yes but i think that may be the problem is that it's too easy for the mps to remove the leader without facing a general election. they. boris had one very quickly when he became leader. it's not the problem with the members. the problem is with the members. the problem is with the members. the problem is with the vote of no confidence. >> the problem is that our party systems are completely insane . systems are completely insane. when you've got on the left the corbynites really, they just do this. want to push, push, push the left wing agenda, the mad right and you're not one of the mad right? slightly a little bit

box of frogs. you're the box of froggy, right ? but you're not froggy, right? but you're not mad, right? but you know. >> but i hear you are very popular with the membership. >> i keep on hearing people from the, you know, the don't flirt, stella. >> don't flirt. you were flirting . flirting. >> but it's quite interesting. the labour party, they couldn't get rid of jeremy corbyn even when 80% of the mps were against. >> now, that is very interesting. i think the labour party has a very different constitution , but also constitution, but also character, because the character of the labour party is not one where we where we do whatever we want with our leaders the same way with, you know, with the conservatives, we always hear that they are ruthless with the leaders. you either perform or you are out in the labour party. it doesn't work like that. and it's the same way with how we pick, how the labour party picks constituency mps. you expect them to be approved at the very least by the local constituency. >> deals are done with the union. >> are we going to move on? because another day, another bank of england failure and this

time, unsurprisingly, you're footing the bill and it's quite a hefty one, £85 billion. according to a report in the daily telegraph but as much as £179 billion, if you believe the obr and it's all because of the losses made and the banks quantative easing programme . quantative easing programme. well, back to my panel, the bank of england has independence for setting interest rates, but quantitative easing and quantitative easing and quantitative tightening is a joint project with the treasury . joint project with the treasury. other central banks are holding their bonds to maturity and they have a cost of cash vie. but they're not taking these huge losses. the bank of england is making these huge losses that fall on the taxpayer. can this possibly be something a chancellor should accept? >> it's a problem. >> it's a problem. >> i'm a child of thatcher. i used to advise margaret in 1975 and she, as i do believe in sound money. quantitative easing is just the old excuse for printing money. too much money, the old monetarism. everyone's forgotten about monetarism, but it's very, very, very important. bank of england have made some

terrible, terrible decisions. obr have, but they're in the business of forecasting . business of forecasting. >> still, what i really want to ask you is, as a former labour adviser, the labour party is going to get in possibly at an election and if it did, it would then have all this money that it would say we're going to hold the bonds to maturity. we're not going to make tax payers pay £179 billion bingo funds, all their expenditure . their expenditure. >> well, i think that my opinion is, as you said , that, you know, is, as you said, that, you know, you have the european central bank and then you have the swiss national bank as well. and they don't they don't pay all of that. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> they don't they for once, i agree with the european central bank. >> yes. unusual. yes. >> yes. unusual. yes. >> so why is it that in the uk we are not using that money for, you know, schools or hospitals or all of these other problems that we have . that we have. >> but because joe's point is a very fair one, that it is money printing, but the quantitative tightening is just the pace at which you remove it. and whether you do it over a short period or a longer period, if you do it

over a longer period, the losses primarily go to. and this just seems to me so much more sensible than whacking taxpayers with this enormous loss. >> i imagine that the rachel reevesis >> i imagine that the rachel reeves is not going to be as ambitious as as we would like here on that, on that panel. because because the number one project, when they go into government is going to be the number one target. it's going to be count the horses, make everyone trust us. don't try to rock the boat. >> all this depends on interest rates. the problem is interest rates. the problem is interest rates have gone up. yes, we interest rates will go down and i think the problem won't be solved, but it won't be as big as it. >> but if all the interest rates also reduces the cost of carry. so yeah, you benefit both ways. round of interest rates. >> and of course this means absolutely nothing to the british public. >> it means a huge amount to them because it could be tax cuts. yes. you know, £179 billion. you're talking about £20 billion a year. you could aboush £20 billion a year. you could abolish death duties for this. you could cut vat, all sorts of things you could do when the tories are in trouble. >> we always say death duties, death duties, death duties. yes. >> i often say death duties, but

that's enough of saying death dufies that's enough of saying death duties for this evening. thank you to my panel. coming up, an unabashed u turn from the flip flop wearing leader of the opposition has emerged on the question of defining what a woman is. plus, king charles was looking chipper today as he carried out his first public engagement following his cancer diagnosis. royal expert and author robert hardman will share the inside details.

well, we've had the mail mugs on the 1922 committee. and jackie says the 1922 committee. just more proof of puppeteers in parliament. and, paul, i agree with paul. the constituency association should have their autonomy restored and not have mediocre career politicians on message. metropolitan clones parachuted in them . well, last parachuted in them. well, last week the labour party performed a u—turn of shameless proportions. having once knelt for the marxist black lives

matter group, which is intent on defunding the police, sir keir starmer now supports his home secretary, shadow home secretary yvette cooper, who announced labour's plans to introduce 13,000 new police officers this week amidst the news that the nhs is set to assert biological sex. as a matter of fact in its constitution, sir keir starmer, the man who once struggled to find what a woman is. >> woman can have a penis. >> woman can have a penis. >> they come not. >> they come not. >> i don't think we can conduct this debate , not with, you know, this debate, not with, you know, sorry, i get offended, you know. no, no, it's just no, no, no, i just a woman can have a penis. i don't think that , discussing don't think that, discussing this issue in this way helps anyone in the long run. >> well, i'm sorry to show you such cringeworthy television, but anyway, he has now performed another shameless u—turn. labour leader criticised labour mp rosie duffield back in 2021 for suggesting that only women can have a cervix. but as of today,

he has shifted his stance and said miss duffield is right in what she said. just goes to show the leader of the opposition is an appreciator of egyptian footwear. well with me now is my panel barrister and former tory mp jerry hayes, and the pr consultant and former labour aide stella santykiu , jerry, aide stella santykiu, jerry, come on, you turn if you want to . the leader of the opposition is for turning, yes , because he is for turning, yes, because he was in a ridiculous situation. i mean, i don't care if someone wants to identify as a man or a woman, i really don't. but if they want to go into a woman's safe space, like a women's lavatory or a changing room, that's just wrong. there are a lot of people who feel not a lot of people. there are a tiny minority of people who do not feel happy in their bodies. and it's only right that after proper advice, medical and psychiatric advice , they could psychiatric advice, they could have the full transition. those people are entitled to call themselves whatever they want if they've had the transition. but it's all about women and men

feeling safe. that's don't go mad over this , stella. mad over this, stella. >> how did sir keir, who is not a stupid man, get himself into such a tangle over this? i mean, the interview with nick ferrari is cringeworthy . is cringeworthy. >> yeah, i think he needed to clarify his position, and it has been an extremely toxic debate. i think it's a big shame that this discussion has been politicised for the last few years . i politicised for the last few years. i think it would have been much better if from the beginning we had said these are our priorities in terms of trans health care. these are our priorities in terms of women's rights. let's find common ground and that's it. so politicians have struggled historically to discuss this issue openly, and keir starmer should have probably clarified his position sooner to avoid all of that debate. and that that going on and to follow on from what jerry was saying , we want some was saying, we want some kindliness towards people who may be struggling with issues that other of us may not come across in our lives . yeah, of across in our lives. yeah, of course, but trans people, trans people should be able to live their life, as they wish, and

they should be able to have access to trans health care that, you know, that's effective. and safe for them to do so. and i hope that we will be able to see that in the next few years after the cass review. and i think it is i think it is unfortunate. >> well, the nhs has now said that women's wards will have only women on them and biological women, and the definition will be a biological woman is actually reassuring for most women in this country. >> i think there should. i think it is reassuring, but i think at the same time that there should be some consideration for that. it should be a case by case scenario, because there will be circumstances where a trans woman would not be appropriate to have a trans woman. next to next to men. so, for example, a trans woman who has undergone surgery and everything like that, i think that it would be inappropriate. or imagine like having a young trans woman , for having a young trans woman, for example, who has to. it's not appropriate . i think, that they appropriate. i think, that they should be allowed to use the facilities that are best for them. >> but giving. sorry. >> but giving. sorry. >> go on. »- >> go on. >> no, no, i was just going to say, do you think keir starmer is clearing the decks that this is clearing the decks that this is all about taking the

barnacles off the bait? get rid of all your difficult views as soon as possible, but the views will still be there. but do you end up standing for anything? >> no, no, but that's what politics is all about at the moment. what did boris johnson stand for? i know he gave you a job near loyal, a good thing, huge amount. >> that's another program. >> that's another program. >> yes, yes, i know, but the fact is, what does he stand for? he stood for boris johnson. we've got. what did liz truss stand for? >> liz truss stood for. oh, for heaven's sake. >> no, she stood no principled ideological leader we've had in a very long time. >> yes, but bonkers. >> yes, but bonkers. >> well, i don't agree with that anyway, this is really exciting. in a fascinating new discovery from the depths of volcanic ash in herculaneum, a new papyrus scroll has revealed how one of the great western philosophers, plato, may have spent his final evening the ancient scroll was found carbonated because of the ad 79 explosion of mount vesuvius, and it suggests that the greek philosopher was extremely ill with fever, spent his last hours listening to a thracian slave girl playing the flute. well, stella , this is so flute. well, stella, this is so exciting because there may be all sorts of other amazing

classical works there. but also we now know for certain that plato is real. >> exactly. we know that he's a historical figure, and we were never sure whether he existed, whether he was one person or many people, which is, of course, something that we see with a lot of other figures. but as you say, extremely exciting news. how much more are we going to find about this amazing philosopher? >> and we only have fragments of the ancient world that survived so much was destroyed during the dark ages, and there might be this huge repository of scrolls that english technology have been able to read. >> exactly. when you think about how often you see ancient greek philosophy reflected in the modern civilisation , you can modern civilisation, you can only imagine how many important things we are missing out and how much there is still to learn. >> yes, i think it's extremely exciting. >> it's wonderful. and of course, the young man was british who discovered this technology as an undergraduate at i think it's fantastic. or however a lot of carbon here. yeah. how is this going to be

affected. >> oh the carbon. oh yes. >> oh the carbon. oh yes. >> so let's not worry about the carbon neutral. but that's why. because interest about what will be there that this seems to be a great library. >> it's going to go over for years. >> scrolls were destroyed. papyrus doesn't last lots of works were destroyed because they were considered to be pagan. yes. and this may find things that historians have been looking for. classicists for centuries. yes. i mean, i think it is. >> i think it's very exciting. >> i think it's very exciting. >> i think this is really exciting. i'm sorry to my viewers if they think this is slightly obscure, but i think it is a really fundamentally exciting thing in terms of the knowledge that we have of our forefathers. and we thank you to my panel coming up next, as the king returns to public duties for the first time since the announcement of his cancer diagnosis, i'll be speaking to the man who knows more than most about the inner workings of the royal family, robert hardman. also, for the first time ever, i'll be revealing what my handwriting looks like amidst a yougov poll suggesting a third of the british people have terrible handwriting

welcome back. and god save the king. his majesty king charles the third returned to public dufies the third returned to public duties today for the first time since his cancer diagnosis. after his doctors shared encouraging news on the sovereign's health. the king and queen camilla visited a specialist cancer centre in london. king charles was also named today as cancer researchers uk's new patron. well this is heartening scenes that we're seeing and a reassuring after months of our sovereign being out of action with the rest of the royal family including the princess royal family including the princess royal, the duchess of edinburgh and the queen, all performing additional duties. talking of the princess royal, there was gossip in one newspaper today that she's apparently keen to put on her dancing shoes. one of the professional dancers on strictly come dancing revealed that the king's sister wants to appear on the show. may we see strictly superfan princess anne foxtrot her way into the strictly ballroom? well, i'm

joined now by the author of charles the third, the inside story and daily mail journalist robert hardman. robert, this is very encouraging. news about the king. isn't it? >> it's very good news, jacob. i was outside the macmillan cancer centre at ucl university college london hospital today and he he looked very hale and hearty as he went in. and i think he looked even he looked utterly happy and content as he came out because i think he feels no one's pretending that, you know, he's out of the woods. i mean, it's absolutely clear he's still undergoing treatment. but i mean, the point he wanted to make today was that, you know, you're not alone when you have one of these diagnoses and also that actually going back to work can be a very great therapy for many people. so he and the direction of travel is such that, i mean, here he was, this is the first time he's in enclosed space. he's in indoors environment. it's crowded. he's

shaking hands. he's shaking a lot of hands. all this is being cleared by his doctors. so i think that it's looking it's looking in the right direction . looking in the right direction. >> but it's one of the things about a monarchy, isn't it, that having your sovereign who is ill, showing that you can be treated for it and that you can carry on working, is going to be inspirational to millions of his subjects? yeah. >> i mean, i think he he's very aware that i mean, and he, you know, quite rightly say millions, i mean, millions of families are familiar with a diagnosis like this. and he accepts that as obviously the most high profile cancer patient in the land that he needs to, you know, show as much as he can that this is something that you you live with, you work with, no one's sort of promising miracles, but at the same time, no one's saying, you know, this is all doom and gloom. and it was very interesting to be in and around a cancer hospital

today and hear the sort of whoops and the cheers. i mean, these are not noises you normally hear in a place like the macmillan cancer unit, but they were very, very buoyed by his appearance. >> and this is important for the country as a whole because the monarchy is such a symbol for the country. but when times are good, people don't necessarily feel necessary to show that they value it , after the death of the value it, after the death of the queen and with the king being unwell, you've really seen that fundamental solid base of support for our constitutional system shine through an affection for the king, a deep affection, i in fact, i talked to one of his entourage who travelled there with him today, and they said it was very touching, actually, that the convoy was moving very slowly through the london traffic because london traffic moves very slowly. and he's not one of those vips who tells the outriders to put their foot on the gas. so he's he's going along at a pretty slow speed . along at a pretty slow speed. and i was told that, you know, the number of people who just sort of stopped went, oh my gosh, is the king. how nice to

see him waving at him. but i mean, yes, to your deeper point, i mean, yes, we depend on our you know, we depend on the monarchy to provide the sort of continuity and stability, particularly in febrile political times. so it is important that the, the house at the other end of the mail, if you like , from downing street, you like, from downing street, is in solid shape and i think in the days and weeks to come we are going to see him. we're not going to see him doing everything he would be doing at this time of year. but i mean, i think the key events, coming up quite soon is the 80th anniversary of d—day, very important anniversary , the last important anniversary, the last great anniversary where there'll be significant numbers of veterans, three big allied nafions veterans, three big allied nations there in 1944, he's head of state of two of them. he will want to be there. i don't know how it'll be done. i'm quite sure he'll be there, other other events, whether it's garden parties, whether it's the royal ascot, the order of the garter, these are all things that if you

if we expect to see these, these sort of happy events in our summer and he will want to make sure he can be as at many of as, as many as he can do. well throughout he's been carrying on with his constitutional duties. >> there has been no interruption given to the government of this country , government of this country, which is still primarily done on a day to day basis by the royal prerogative. >> yeah, the constitutional side of things is unaltered. i mean, obviously the most important element of that is, is meeting the prime minister that carries on, carries on in person. you know, the red boxes come and go. legislation comes for royal assent, it's highly likely. in fact, it's inevitable in the months ahead that he's going to be have to appoint a new prime minister, that all those things, those are the crucial. >> well, you don't need to appoint a new prime minister if the prime minister remains in office. it's a continuation, if i may. and there's this fake ceremony of people going off to buckingham palace, one when they've won an election. it's

completely unnecessary. i don't approve of that modernisation. so when rishi sunak wins a huge majority, he won't need to go through that. but that's very important. widening it out, obviously people are still very concerned about the princess of wales wanting to hear good news about her. no particular news that you've heard from your sources? no. >> i mean, since her very powerful video message , just powerful video message, just just before the school holidays , just before the school holidays, i think everybody will remember seeing her deliver that message where she put to bed some of this outrageous online nonsense that had been flying around the world, around cyberspace , and it world, around cyberspace, and it was said at the time. right. that's it. she's now going to she wants time, space and privacy. and that's that. that continues. but but nothing has changed from her statement. then when she said, you know, i'm getting better, i'm getting stronger. so, i mean, you know, we can hope, hope and recognition that the royal family can't actually have a private life.

>> they have to be public. they have to tell people how they are and what's going on. they do up to a point. >> i mean, we haven't yet been told the, for example, the precise nature of the king's illness, nor indeed the princess's . and i think people princess's. and i think people understand that that's that's fair enough . understand that that's that's fair enough. i understand that that's that's fair enough . i mean, understand that that's that's fair enough. i mean, in understand that that's that's fair enough . i mean, in years fair enough. i mean, in years gone by, we wouldn't have been told anything like this degree of detail. >> and finally, the princess royal. what odds on her going on strictly come dancing? i mean, she's my great heroine. i can't believe she'll do anything so lacking in distinction for , a lacking in distinction for, a member of the royal family. >> she did feature in a royal documentary. some years ago. scottish dancing. so were strictly to go for a kind of highland ceilidh, version . i highland ceilidh, version. i wouldn't rule it out entirely, but i, i think it's a little fanciful. i think we're more likely. in fact, i know where we're going to see her next. the olympics. she's she's our olympian and we're in an olympic yeah olympian and we're in an olympic year. that's where we'll see. >> i definitely vote for her. and finally, how would you rate your own handwriting? museum curators at jane austen's old cottage in hampshire have asked

the public for help deciphering the public for help deciphering the so—called illegible handwriting of our older brother. i think austen's brother, frank, had a magnificent 19th century hand . magnificent 19th century hand. although clearly a beautiful scrape sloping script isn't to everyone's taste. a new yougov poll has found that 31% of all britons describe their own handwriting as bad or terrible. but perhaps i'm not one to talk about this. my producers have described attempting to decode my scrawl, like trying to read cantonese. my own son, peter says, i write in morse code, and sixtus has been told by his teacher that she is willing to give me remedial lessons . i give me remedial lessons. i think it's a bit late, but never mind. anyway, that's all from me up next patrick christys patrick. what writing is on the wall for you this evening, very well done jacob. great show. we have lost thousands of illegal immigrants, but we've managed to find one of them and send him to rwanda, apparently. so that's a cracking start. george galloway has had a big day, so we're going to be talking about how much of a threat to starmer he is.look much of a threat to starmer he is. look terrible, terrible, terrible sword attack in london earlier. i'm asking whether we should now be arming all police officers. big debate on that. and the revolutionary communist that are targeted you in

cardiff, jacob? well, i've got one of them on. so, it's going to be having a debate about whether or not it was appropriate. >> well, i think it was . i think >> well, i think it was. i think free speech is very important, and you can't hand it back. free speech when people agree with you. >> yes, i agree with you. and also i've seen you deal rather well with those people in the past. >> so well done you. thank you. >> so well done you. thank you. >> that will all be very exciting. thank you patrick. that's coming up after the weather. i'll be back tomorrow at 8:00. i'm jacob rees—mogg. this has been state of the nation, and i know you're waiting for the somerset weather report. it will be absolutely wonderful. sunshine. glorious and the crops will be coming out i >> -- >>a >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar , sponsors of weather on . solar, sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> time for your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news. good evening to you. a different day tomorrow in the east we'll have much more cloud compared to today, whereas in the west it should be a little brighter still. some wet weather

around though across parts of wales and southwest england this evening . affecting the west evening. affecting the west midlands too. that's showery rain. working into southwest scotland at the same time. a few showers coming into eastern england , particularly norfolk, england, particularly norfolk, suffolk and up towards lincolnshire . many other areas, lincolnshire. many other areas, though, will be dry. quite a mild night. temperatures in some towns and cities staying in double digits onto wednesday and a very different day across the northeast of england and eastern scotland. much more cloud around. there will be some rain at times here as well, particularly across the far north—east through the late morning into the early afternoon. a much brighter day though, for wales and southwest england. we'll see some sunny spells for northern ireland and particularly western scotland. 18 degrees likely here and further south. with a bit of brightness, we might get close to 20 celsius, but in the south, late on. look at this. some heavy rain working up from france and we could well see some big downpours and some thunderstorms, particularly through the early hours of thursday morning across southern england , maybe the midlands and england, maybe the midlands and parts of south wales. so some rumbles of thunder, some flashes of lightning. they'll be clearing away during thursday

morning but still staying cloudy with some showers in the south on thursday. many places elsewhere seeing some good spells of sunshine but cool and cloudy on some of these north sea coasts, but in the sunshine 20 degrees possible in western scotland. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> it's 9 pm. i'm patrick christys tonight. we have lift—off. the first migrant has been sent to rwanda. >> he's so wooden. the birds are nesting in him. i'm sure i've seen that. >> how much trouble is sir keir starmer . in?

>> how much trouble is sir keir starmer. in? is it time to arm all police? >> also, where are these people ? >> also, where are these people? >> also, where are these people? >> so i in most cases i don't, i don't, i don't know where those people are. we have yeah. >> thousands of asylum seekers are on the run. we've lost them. and trans rights. yeah >> trans rights are human rights. >> common sense. gender is now a biological fact . a revolutionary biological fact. a revolutionary communist versus a tory mp on protest against politicians where the state can continues to ignore this problem , which is ignore this problem, which is just escalating and escalating . just escalating and escalating. >> it's unbelievable . >> it's unbelievable. >> it's unbelievable. >> yeah. are the irish angry with us over the old illegal migrant stuff on my panel tonight? as you can see, it is social commentator esther krakow. we've got