rwanda have simply to rwanda have simply disappeared . and that's despite disappeared. and that's despite their own report, which suggests that contact with them has been completely lost. where on earth have they vanished to.7 next up, the nhs is set to make a u—turn on gender ideology by declaring at last that sex is a matter of biology. it's the tide about to turn on the trans debate and the happy side. we've all been waiting for. yes, the king returning to public duty with a visit to a cancer centre as he takes on a new role to help fight this disease. magnificent scenes. that's all coming up in your next hour. welcome to the show. always a delight to have your company also in the show. hot off the press. so hot. in fact, this paper burns me to the touch. the latest data on visas

granted by the uk government to students and skilled workers. guess what.7 still much, much improvement needs to happen. there has been a 21% decrease overall, but i'll drill into the numbers to show you this is by no stretch of the imagination, a government that's in control of our borders. all of that data coming up loads to get through today, get in touch all the usual ways and a new way. gbnews.com/yoursay i've just logged in. i'm there. send me a comment. i'll try my very best to read out as many as i can before the end of the show , so before the end of the show, so get cracking. but before all of that, it's your latest news headunes that, it's your latest news headlines and it's sophia wenzler. >> thanks, martin. good afternoon . it's 3:02. i'm sophia afternoon. it's 3:02. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . a 14 wenzler in the gb newsroom. a 14 year old boy has died after a stabbing attack in north—east

london. four other people were also injured in the attack in hainaut and have been taken to hospital. a 36 year old man carrying a sword has been arrested. police say they do not believe the attack was terror related. met police chief superintendent stuart bell spoke at the scene . at the scene. >> it is with great sadness that i confirm that one of those injured in the incident, a 13 year old boy, has died from their injuries. he was taken to hospital after being stabbed and sadly died a short while after. the child's family are being supported. firstly by my local officers and now with some specialist officers, and everyone across the met is keeping them in our thoughts at this unimaginably difficult time. >> some local residents have spoken of their fear after the attack . attack. >> really, really devastating because now i live here, i've lived. i don't feel safe anymore. i don't think i'd be able to take my daughter and let

her out by herself here, because we're constantly now within the last year and a half, we're heanng last year and a half, we're hearing something's always happening. >> you almost become more cynical to it after a while, but i think when you have conversations about the and, you know, attendances to incidents like this, the police force needs to be commended for what they have been able to achieve with the resources they've got . with the resources they've got. >> king charles has revealed his shock at being diagnosed with cancer as he returned to official public duties for the first time since his diagnosis, he visited a cancer treatment centre alongside the queen to meet medical specialists and patients. when asked about the state of his health, he said i'm well. the king has been announced as the new patron for cancer research uk, taking over from his mother, the late queen elizabeth. the government has denied claims it's lost track of thousands of migrants. it's

after a home office report suggested more than half of those set for deportation to rwanda could not be located, according to the figures, just over 2100 of those identified for removal are in touch with authorities, and that's out of 5700. all had been told their asylum claims were inadmissible, but 62% are not reporting to the home office . shadow chancellor home office. shadow chancellor rachel reeves says the government has lost control of illegal immigration. >> the conservatives have lost control of the borders and now they have literally lost the people who they say they're going to be sending to rwanda. they've lost control of the immigration and asylum system , immigration and asylum system, and it is ordinary working people that are paying the price. the government needs to crack down on the criminal gangs that are luring people to this country, and then process the claims without losing the asylum seekers, which is now what is appearing to happen . appearing to happen. >> in other news, sir keir starmer says the people of

scotland should be allowed to have a say on who becomes the next leader of the snp. it's after a motion of no confidence in the scottish government was tabled by the labour party. that will be debated and voted on tomorrow . so humza yousaf tomorrow. so humza yousaf announced he was stepping down as first minister on sunday and will continue in his post until a replacement can be found . a replacement can be found. senior snp figures are backing former deputy first minister john swinney for the top job. scottish labour leader anas sarwar says mr swinney is not a candidate for change. >> john swinney has been at the heart of the snp government for the last 17 years. he's at the heart of the snp party. for the last 40 years he was the architect of the finance deals that broke local government . he that broke local government. he was the worst education secretary in the history of the scottish parliament. he's the man that wrote and delivered the bute house agreement and now somehow wants to pretend he's the change candidate . the change candidate. >> and rishi sunak has backed a campaign for nottingham stabbing

victim grace o'malley. kumar to be awarded the george cross. her parents called for their daughter to be bestowed with the highest military award after she was murdered, attempting to save her friend barnaby webber from knife attacker valdo calocane calocane high security patel order is set to be reviewed next week , after the victims families week, after the victims families expressed outrage that he avoided prison following his sentence . and for the latest sentence. and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now it's back to . martin. to. martin. >> thank you sophia, and let's get straight to that shocking stabbing spree in east london, where a 14 year old boy has been tragically killed several people, including two police officers, were also attacked by a man with a sword. metropolitan

police say officers were called after reports of a vehicle being dnven after reports of a vehicle being driven into a house. it's understood that the attacker then stabbed members of the pubuc then stabbed members of the public and two officers with a large blade . well, let's get the large blade. well, let's get the latest now from gb news reporter katherine forster, who is at the scene. catherine, welcome to the show. absolutely horrific. tragic incident. you've been speaking with locals on the ground. what's the latest .7 ground. what's the latest? >> yes. people here are really reeling . as you would expect. reeling. as you would expect. it's a very ordinary suburban part of north—east london. people this morning getting up to go to school to go to work. and yet we had this man with a sword 7:00 in the morning trying to get into people's houses, ramming a vehicle into a house, and then accosted by locals, then the police. he ran across then the police. he ran across the roofs of on the roof of a

garage , and the police were garage, and the police were filmed shouting to him to put down the sword and also shouting to locals, lock your doors, lock your doors! it was 22 minutes. the we learned that the press conference with the chief superintendent of this area told us, 22 minutes from the first call to the police to this man being tasered, he's 36 years old. he's in custody now . they old. he's in custody now. they are stressing that they do not believe this to be terror related. and also they're not looking for anybody else in connection with this. they want to reassure the local community. but of course, this terrible for news people in hospital. two police officers, two locals expected to make a full recovery. but tragically, a 14 year old boy taken to hospital and died of his injuries. his family being supported by specialist officers and the neighbours. the locals here really just cannot take in what

has happened. i was speaking to some of them a little bit earlier. let's see what they had to say. >> it was a it was more of a calm area before and i could i can see it myself as my kids are growing up. that the increasement of the knife crime is getting severe is getting out of hand. that's what it is. it's getting out of hand. what they need to make a tougher law, you know, because it's become so easy and comfortable for these young youngers to carry the knives and i think majority of the time they're carrying the knives for their own safety because they think that someone else is carrying it. >> you almost become more cynical to it after a while, but i think when you have conversations about the police forces and, you know, attendances to incidents like this, the police force needs to be commended for what they have been able to achieve with the resources they've got. what has happenedis resources they've got. what has happened is perhaps a one off, an off key, but it's becoming

more prevalent in all areas around london. >> yeah. so that first lady that ispoke >> yeah. so that first lady that i spoke to say she's lived in this area for 20 years, she said in the last 3 or 4, she really feels that things have got more dangerous. and talking about knife crime and increasingly, how she feels that young people often will carry knives in the hope of protecting themselves. but of course, this in this instance, was not a young person. this was a 36 year old man. nor was it a stabbing late at night in some alleyway. you know, this was broad daylight at first thing in the morning. really quite extraordinary . really quite extraordinary. still an absolutely enormous police operation here. there's many, many streets cordoned off. this is as close as we can get. but the forensics teams down there a couple of streets further on, on the left where this incident took place. also hainault, the local tube station closed, and these streets don't

show any sign of opening up any time soon and seeing people coming down who live here. there's a gentleman just a few minutes before i came on air, explaining to the police officer he needed to get to his house, and the police officer basically said, well, i'm sorry, nothing i can do. you know, you can't go home. he then said, well, look, mate, i understand i was a police officer for 30 years. i understand, but my wife is disabled. i need to get back to her. so they let him through. but they wouldn't guarantee at all that he would actually be allowed into his house. so a huge operation taking place. we will no doubt learn more about this man. in due course, but just unimaginable for this family. you know, who got up this morning thinking it was just another day and their lives now in tatters . a big political now in tatters. a big political reaction to, of course, from across the political spectrum. the prime minister, paying tribute to the emergency services and also saying such violence has no place on our

streets, but unfortunately, increasingly this is happening on our streets. wes streeting, the shadow health minister, is the shadow health minister, is the local mp here, and he said i'm absolutely devastated. by the news today and paying tribute again to the police, i think it's worth saying, you know, the police do come in for a lot of criticism, but, you know , they do put their lives on know, they do put their lives on the line for us as well. and you know, great bravery shown by those individual officers this morning , john and catherine, morning, john and catherine, what strikes you in the tone of the voice of the locals you were speaking to of almost this kind of attack, as extreme as it is nevertheless becoming a part of a fabric where knife crime now is seen as an ordinary part of living, especially in london. >> you talk there with locals who've seen this deteriorate over the years . how much of a

over the years. how much of a widespread issue do you think this is now, this, this sense that we are simply losing control of our streets ? control of our streets? >> well, it's extremely worrying, isn't it? and the lady was saying that it was just in the last few years, they mentioned another stabbing. i didn't have the details. also, a shooting that took place not too far away , and she was worried far away, and she was worried about her children as we all are. but i think the thing is that, you know, these things happening in broad daylight, people think carefully when they're coming home late at night or when their children are out late at night, they worry. but you know, this was 7:00 in the morning and, you know, as the morning and, you know, as the gentleman said, well, what do you do? you have to leave your house. you can't just stay inside for fear of something happening. but of course, these five people who were attacked and this one boy who tragically died, you know , they just died, you know, they just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. and

certainly there's going to be a lot of questions now being asked. i did think it was interesting that, the police chief superintendent stuart bell, they made it abundantly clear that they were not going to respond to any questions whatsoever . they were asked if whatsoever. they were asked if this man that they've now got in custody was known to the police, but they would not be drawn on that or any other matter. but, more details will emerge, i imagine, in the coming hours and certainly days . certainly days. >> thank you, katherine forster. and we've just learned that king charles has added his condolences to that list of people who are very concerned about this. and in fact, we have that clip from chief superintendent stuart bell, who spoke earlier. >> he was taken to hospital after being stabbed and sadly died a short while after. the charles family are being supported. firstly by my local officers and now with some specialist officers, and everyone across the met is

keeping them in our thoughts at this unimaginably difficult time. >> i've seen have we been given anyidea >> i've seen have we been given any idea at all of when we may expect another update from the police ? police? >> no, we haven't , martin. they >> no, we haven't, martin. they have just said that as and when they have more information to give us, they will do so. nor, i have to say, have we been given any indication for local people. we're now seeing , you know, we're now seeing, you know, children coming home from school, people beginning to come home from work, many of them simply not able to get back into their houses because this investigation, this is cordoned off quite a considerable area and more than one actual street . and more than one actual street. so, you know, the police told me earlier they hoped it wouldn't be too much longer, but no guarantees. and, you know, over my shoulder i can see a young boy, probably about the age of the boy who sadly died. and obviously trying to get home

from school, not sure what to do and not able to get back into his house. >> katherine forster thank you for joining us from hainault. i forjoining us from hainault. i can see your your emotional there. i know your children are similar age as are mine very horrific and disturbing case. thank you katherine forster for that update and of course we'll bnng that update and of course we'll bring you updates throughout the show as we get them. and just to add again to repeat that, the king has expressed his condolences to that scene. so we'll bring you full updates throughout the show . and there's throughout the show. and there's plenty of coverage of that story on our website, gb news. com and you've helped to make it the fastest growing national news website in the country. so thank you very much . now summer website in the country. so thank you very much. now summer is just around the corner and we want to make it sizzle for you with an incredible £20,000 in cash up for grabs in the latest great british giveaway . it's our great british giveaway. it's our biggest cash prize to date and it could be yours . biggest cash prize to date and it could be yours. here's how you could be our winner. >> we've blown the budget by giving you the chance to win a totally terrific £20,000 in tax

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rwanda flights. but the big question is , well, where are question is, well, where are they then? because your own report says they've simply gone missing. that's next. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel

welcome back 321 is your time. i'm martin daubney , and this is gb news. now, the government denies that thousands of migrants set to be deported to rwanda have simply disappeared. that's despite their own reports, which suggest that contact with them has been lost. well, the home office document shows that out of the 5700 migrants set to be deported, over 3000 simply cannot be located for detention. and this comes after officials began detaining migrants this week ahead of the first flights to rwanda, apparently departing later this summer. well, joining me now is gb news home and

security editor, mark white. mark, there's only one question the government says they're missing. then they say they're not missing. so are they missing? and if so, where are they ? they? >> well, not according to the government. they say that they are quite confident that they will be able to locate these asylum seekers. what they say is that the arrangements for asylum seekers, in terms of reporting to the home office, varies from asylum seeker to asylum seeker, because what you've got is quite a few asylum seekers, as we well know, very controversial , who know, very controversial, who are in hotel accommodation or council accommodation and are given an allowance that then incentivises them, of course, to be in regular contact with the home office to report in to ensure that they are contactable. there are others who are staying, we're told, with friends and family who have looser arrangements, but the home office say they're quite,

adamant here that they are confident that they will be able to find all of those that maybe are in a looser arrangement in terms of their contact. but i think , you know, this whole think, you know, this whole issue and this episode actually highlights a real weakness in the rwanda scheme, because even if the government is determined to get many thousands of, people off the ground in flights in the coming months, and it becomes a real deterrent, there is this issue of just how do you ensure that those you earmarked for removal stay put and don't just disappear because we only have so many immigration removal detention facilities, rishi sunak said just last week that the 2000 detention facilities were being laid for aside those that are earmarked for flights to rwanda . well, just in terms to rwanda. well, just in terms of the initial cohort , there's

of the initial cohort, there's 5700 of those clearly all of those cannot be accommodated in those cannot be accommodated in those immigration removal detention facilities. so you are relying on them. martin, coming forward and giving themselves up forward and giving themselves up for removal. it makes sense, doesn't it, that a very significant proportion of those who actually don't want to leave the uk to go to east africa may well just disappear into the grey economy when it gets near that time for their removal. >> yeah, or they may even have simply cleared off to ireland. i mean, the fact of the matter is, it seems that they're constantly chasing shadows. mark >> well, indeed. i mean, i'm a bit sceptical, actually, of how many migrants have actually disappeared over the border from northern ireland into southern ireland are quite as are quite a few of the human rights charities in ireland, because

what they say is that the government in dublin appears to be making the assessment on those who have claimed or not claimed asylum at ports and airports. and what the charities are saying is, look, just because someone hasn't immediately claimed asylum , immediately claimed asylum, their port of arrival, it doesn't mean that at a later date they then don't claim asylum and certainly doesn't mean that you then extrapolate and decide that they've come from northern ireland instead , i from northern ireland instead, i think, you know, the irish government is in an awful lot of trouble at the moment because of the asylum mess that they are trying to deal with, with very, very significant numbers of asylum seekers in the irish repubuc asylum seekers in the irish republic that is causing tensions that are even higher in the republic of ireland than they are here in the uk. with these asylum seekers being placed in hotel accommodation and into the community and

putting a real strain on the resources that they have in the republic. >> okay. mark white, thank you for that summary. excellent as even for that summary. excellent as ever. and let's move on now because i'm joined by the immigration lawyer, a friend of the show, ivan samson. ivan, welcome to the show. once again, a picture of absolute bedlam. they don't know where they are . they don't know where they are. they don't know where they are. they could simply have vanished into the grey economy as mark white said, they may have cleared off to ireland to dodge deportation altogether. this is total chaos, isn't it? >> yes. i mean, it's a very it's poor planning, but nothing unusual. >> we've seen this time and time again , the government making again, the government making announcement for not being able to carry them out, and on top of that, we've got this new potential threat of legal action by the civil service who will not be forced into putting into effect, laws that they deem to be in breach of our international treaty obligations , so that that may well delay

things even more because they may not have anybody to get to remove these people . remove these people. >> so it's all a bit of a mess. >> and but i have to be fair to the home office, your colleague was absolutely right when he says there's lots of different ways in which people report. >> so if you're living with a family member, you may not even have to report at all, also, you may be reporting digitally or maybe reporting, say, once a month, whereas those under nana support are supported with accommodation by the government. >> they're easy to locate because they have to sign on every single day. >> so, it is quite difficult for them, but one would have thought that they wouldn't have made the announcement and then expect people to report those that were supposed to report. >> one would have thought they'd wait until they reported and detain them then, because if anyone's fearful of going to rwanda, they're certainly not going to report, are they? >> they're going to disappear into the black economy. >> precisely. and the notion that people can kip on their mate sofa, or just roam around

mate sofa, orjust roam around the country doing whatever they want, signing on whenever they fancy, is totally contrary to the notion that we were sold. and that was the idea that these people were earmarked and ready to go. so surely ivan samson, this puts the notion forward, that the only real way to deal with this is when you're earmarked for removal. you should be in a containment centre and held. and until you fly and take off. >> well, the only way to secure that, make sure that everyone is deported is to detain anyone who arrives here seeking asylum. >> and there is no other method for it. >> i mean, you have to detain absolutely everybody. >> we don't have the resources, the or the even the places to do that. and when they do identify places where they can potentially operate a detention centre, you'll get opposition from local people who don't want it in their in their back door. >> so it's a problem for the government. >> i mean, they simply can't possibly detain everyone . possibly detain everyone. >> but also just one thing, you

know, people say about the black economy estimates are that there are more than , 750,000 to are more than, 750,000 to 1 million people in our in our country who don't have legal status. so these few thousand are just a small minority of those that are operating within our country, without any status whatsoever . whatsoever. >> the government is doing nothing about trying to locate them . them. >> ivan samson surely, then the answer is the australian model or what? the deal that italy has just done with albania for offshore containment. as soon as you arrive to the uk illegally, you're taken to a third country. you're held on a containment centre. no ifs, no buts. and if you arrive illegally, you are deported to the country of our choice. that's the answer. to get tough. not allowing people to roam around the country doing whatever they want . whatever they want. >> i agree to get tough with those that are not genuine asylum seekers 100. but if you are a genuine asylum seeker, which is the vast majority of

those people coming across the channel you don't you want your application dealt with fairly efficiently and in a timely manner . i efficiently and in a timely manner. i mean, that's where the focus should be. and for those that are genuine asylum seekers, let's get them into our economy . let's get them into our economy. let's get them have settled, get them status, get them working , them status, get them working, educated and integrate them into our country. but those that are not, i absolutely agree with you. we should swiftly remove them to whence they came from . them to whence they came from. okay. thanks for joining them to whence they came from. okay. thanks forjoining us. as even okay. thanks forjoining us. as ever. superb insight . ivan ever. superb insight. ivan samson, immigration lawyer. always a pleasure to have you on the show. and there's lots more still to come between now and 4:00, including seeing the king return to royal duties stirs the soul. but first, it's time for your latest news headlines. and it's ray addison . it's ray addison. >> thanks, martin. 3:31. our top stories. buckingham palace says the king's thoughts and prayers are with all those affected by

the horrific stabbings in north—east london. his comments come after a 14 year old boy died following a sword attack in hainault. four other people were injured and taken to hospital . a injured and taken to hospital. a 36 year old man carrying a sword has been arrested . police say has been arrested. police say they do not believe the attack was terror related . met police was terror related. met police chief superintendent stuart bell spoke at the scene . spoke at the scene. >> he was taken to hospital after being stabbed and sadly died a short while after. the charles family are being supported firstly by my local officers and now with some specialist officers. and everyone across the met is keeping them in our thoughts at this unimaginably difficult time i >> -- >> king charles has revealed his shock at being diagnosed with cancer as he returned to official public duties for the first time since his diagnosis. he visited a cancer treatment centre alongside the queen to meet medical specialists and patients. when asked about the state of his health, he said i'm

well. the king has been announced as the new patron of cancer research uk, taking over from his mother, the late queen elizabeth. the government has denied claims that it has lost track of thousands of migrants. that's after a home office report suggested more than half of those sent set for deportation to rwanda could not be located . according to the be located. according to the figures, just over 2100 identified for removal are in touch with authorities . out of touch with authorities. out of 5700, all had been told that their asylum claims were inadmissible, that 62% are not reporting to the home office . reporting to the home office. sir keir starmer says the people of scotland should be allowed to have a say on who becomes the next leader of the snp , after a next leader of the snp, after a motion of no confidence in the scottish government was tabled by the labour party. that will be debated and voted on tomorrow. humza yousaf announced he was stepping down as first minister on sunday, monday and will and will continue in his post until replace can be found .

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ray addison in the gb newsroom . ray addison in the gb newsroom. our top stories. buckingham palace says the king's thoughts and prayers are with all those affected by the horrific stabbings in north—east london. his comments come after a 14 year old boy died following a sword attack in hainault. four other people were injured and taken to hospital. a 36 year old man carrying a sword has been arrested. police say they do not believe the attack was terror related. met police chief superintendent stuart bell spoke at the scene. >> he was taken to hospital after being stabbed and sadly died a short while after. the child's family are being supported firstly by my local officers and now with some specialist officers . and specialist officers. and everyone across the met is keeping them in our thoughts at this unimaginably difficult time. >> well, gb news has been speaking to local residents after the attack. they've revealed their fear .

revealed their fear. >> really, really devastating because now i live here, i've lived. i don't feel safe anymore. i don't think i'd be able to take my daughter and let her out by herself here, because we're constantly now within the last year and a half, we're heanng last year and a half, we're hearing something's always happening. >> you almost become more cynical to it after a while, but i think when you have conversations about the police forces and, you know, attendances to incidents like this, the police force needs to be commended for what they have been able to achieve with the resources they've got . resources they've got. >> well, the king, king charles has revealed his shock at being diagnosed with cancer as he returned to official public dufies returned to official public duties for the first time since his diagnosis. he visited a cancer centre alongside the queen to meet medical specialists and patients. when asked about the state of his health, he said i'm well. the king has been announced as the

new patron of cancer research uk , taking over from his mother, the late queen. well, the government has denied claims that it has lost track of thousands of migrants after a home office report suggested more than half of those set for deportation to rwanda could not be located, according to the figures, just over 2100 identified for removal are in touch with authorities . out of touch with authorities. out of 5700, all had been told that their asylum claims were inadmissible, but 62% are not reporting to the home office . reporting to the home office. shadow chancellor rachel reeves says the government has lost control of illegal immigration. >> the conservatives have lost control of the borders and now they have literally lost the people who they say they're going to be sending to rwanda . going to be sending to rwanda. they've lost control of the immigration and asylum system , immigration and asylum system, and it is ordinary working people that are paying the price. the government needs to crack down on the criminal gangs that are luring people to this country, and then process the

claims without losing the asylum seekers, which is now what is appearing to happen . appearing to happen. >> well, sir keir starmer says the people of scotland should be allowed to have a say on who becomes the next leader of the snp. it's after a motion of no confidence in the scottish government was tabled by the labour party. that will be debated and voted on tomorrow . debated and voted on tomorrow. humza yousaf announced that he was stepping down as first minister on sunday and will continue in his post until a replacement can be found . senior replacement can be found. senior snp figures are backing former deputy first minister john swinney for the top job. scottish labour leader anas sarwar says mr swinney is not a candidate for change. >> john swinney has been at the heart of the snp government for the last 17 years. he's been at the last 17 years. he's been at the heart of the snp party for the heart of the snp party for the last 40 years. he was the architect of the finance deals that broke local government. he was the worst education secretary in the history of the scottish parliament. he's the man that wrote and delivered the

bute house agreement and now somehow wants to pretend he's the change candidate rishi sunak has backed a campaign for nottingham stabbing victim grace o'malley kumar to be awarded the george cross. >> her parents called for their daughter to be bestowed with the highest military award after she was murdered, attempting to save her friend barnaby webber from knife attacker valdo calocane calocane high security hospital order is set to be reviewed next week , after the victims families week, after the victims families expressed outrage that he avoided prison following his sentencing . well, for the latest sentencing. well, for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. we'll be back in just a moment.

>> welcome back to the martin daubney show. now, you may nofice daubney show. now, you may notice we've had a few technical gremlins. not to worry. the show must go on. now, you may have noficed must go on. now, you may have noticed the king is back out and about with his royal duties back on fine fettle out at a hospital today. and i'm now joined by cameron walker, our royal correspondent. cameron always great to see the king with a bounce in his step. what's the latest? >> yeah, martin, he certainly did have a spring in his step this morning. but of course it was a little bit bittersweet given what has been happening in north—east london in hainault today. and a buckingham palace spokesperson has responded to that terrific attack, which has left one boy dead and a number of others injured . a buckingham of others injured. a buckingham palace spokesperson said following the horrific scenes in hainault this morning, the king has asked to be kept fully informed as details of the incident become clearer. his thoughts and prayers are with all those affected, in

particular the family of the young victim who has lost his life and he salutes the courage of the emergency services, who helped contain the situation. now all of this unfolded just a couple of hours before his majesty the king and queen camilla arrived here at the macmillan cancer centre at university college hospital in central london. it was a very symbolic visit. the first public engagement here is carried out since his cancer diagnosis. he is still undergoing cancer treatments, but the king was keen to highlight the benefits of an early diagnosis when it comes to cancer, and he was keen to talk about and highlight his own experience with cancer. he even told one patient in the chemotherapy ward that he is receiving more treatment for himself this afternoon. so it was that level of intimate detail. the king was keen to share, and he wanted to encourage others to talk about their own diagnosis as well, and also show that although he still is receiving treatment, he to work and was encouraging others to. although they perhaps are

still do have cancer, they very much can have as normal a life as they want to live. subject of course, to doctors advice. and that was the key message , i that was the key message, i think, here for his majesty the king. it's baby steps back into pubuc king. it's baby steps back into public duties. but buckingham palace announced something very important and he is the new royal patron of cancer research uk. it's a very poignant appointment because queen elizabeth ii was the royal patron of cancer research uk all the way back in 1953. she became that, and the king and queen inside the hospital today were looking at some innovative treatments and research that they had funded , all to do with they had funded, all to do with lung cancer, and trying to find out why certain treatments stop working in certain patients patients. he also met a patient who had received an innovative melanoma vaccine as well. and this is one of the big hubs here in central london where treatment is tried and tested before being rolled out across the country . so the king was the country. so the king was very keen to highlight that he met many staff members at

doctors and nurses as well, and then outside the hospital he met two young patients, a six year old girl and a 12, and an 11 year old boy . now della thomas year old boy. now della thomas for six year old girl was gifted personally by the king. two gifts from the buckingham palace shop, a cuddly toy dog and a notebook. the boy, ellis edwards , aged 11, he was gifted by her majesty the queen, some reading books recommended by the queen's reading room. literacy a cause very close to the queen's heart. she wants to encourage young people to get into reading to improve their life chances. as we get towards the summer, the king is keen, very keen, to carry out more public engagements because it's outside. it is more likely that doctors are going to give the green light , doctors are going to give the green light, of course, is cancer and his cancer treatments has compromised his immunity, which is why we haven't seen him inside, surrounded by lots of people recently. but doctors appear to be giving the green light for certain engagements. it's more optimistic as we get towards trooping the colour, the garter ceremony at windsor, maybe even an australian tour in

the autumn. all of this still being planned , none of it being planned, none of it confirmed and all of it subject to doctor's advice . to doctor's advice. >> that royal update there from university college london. excellent stuff, the king back on fine fettle. now, just to keep you up to date, we are expecting a new press conference from police in north east london. of course, about that stabbing. earlier 14 year old boy tragically died, two police officers injured and also three others. we're expecting a full update. we'll have that shortly on martin daubney. see you soon. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> afternoon. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news. more of the same for the rest of today. it's been a fine day so far across much of the east, and we'll hang on to some sunny

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i >> -- >> well. >> well. >> a very good afternoon to you . >> a very good afternoon to you. it's 4 pm. welcome to the martin daubney show, broadcasting live from the heart of westminster all across the uk. now in a short period of time, we're expecting to cross to a press conference. the police are giving a statement on an update on that tragic

stabbing early this morning around about 7 am. in north—east london, in hainault. we're expecting a full update soon. a 14 year old boy confirmed dead. two police officers were seriously injured and also three pedestrians. passers by became embroiled in that. let's have a full update now by crossing to our homeland security editor, mark white. mark, welcome to the show. what can you tell us about the latest ? >> well, scheduled for 4:00 is the statement. we understand that that it will be delivered by the assistant commissioner of the metropolitan police, louisa rolfe, and she will be supported by representatives of london ambulance service. and read redbndge ambulance service. and read redbridge borough council, who will give updates as well. they're not going to be taking any questions, just making statements , but it should be statements, but it should be a bit of an update on what we got earlier from chief superintendent stuart bell, who

is the borough commander in the redbndge is the borough commander in the redbridge area , who is, of redbridge area, who is, of course, very intimately involved now in this operation in the aftermath of the terrible events that unfolded early this morning . it was just before 7:00 that the metropolitan police received a 999 call reporting that a vehicle, a van, had slammed into a house on a housing estate just to next hainault tube station, and that some individuals had been stabbed at the scene now, and police arrived at the scene. they said that the suspect had gone on to stab other people , gone on to stab other people, police then trying to apprehend the suspect were themselves stabbed. this man who was caught on video, in the minutes before he was, eventually tasered and arrested, was carrying a long bladed weapon. it looked like a

samurai sword. that this man was carrying. and we know, of course, that a 14 year old boy died from the wounds inflicted. four other people in hospital , four other people in hospital, two civilians, both with significant injuries, but not life threatening. and then two police officers with significant injuries who are in surgery, that was the last update we got from chief superintendent stuart bell , but not from chief superintendent stuart bell, but not again in a life threatening condition . so some threatening condition. so some good news in that sense that all four of the remaining injured are not in life threatening conditions, but clearly, suffered significant injuries from this attack . from this attack. >> and mark white, the king, has just extended his thoughts and prayers and deep condolences to those affected by this. there's been a huge political reaction as well. mark sadiq khan saying he's absolutely devastated by this attack. rishi sunak adding,

such violence has no place on our streets. wes streeting, of course, is the shadow health minister. he's also the constituency mp for the area. he thanked the heroic metropolitan police officers who put themselves in harm's way. mark will there be questions asked about the police response? i understand it took 22 minutes before the police attended the initial emergency call this morning . i don't think that's morning. i don't think that's quite accurate, they were there quite accurate, they were there quite accurate, they were there quite a bit before then, but it was 22 minutes, before the suspect was tasered and arrested , and that's 22 minutes from the 999 call. so, we can assume , 999 call. so, we can assume, given that, you know, any part of london you're probably within a few minutes at most of police attending the scene that they were on scene relatively quickly. but of course, then as

we saw in the video, this man was not giving himself up to officers, had then gone around the back of these houses. he was on a garage roof in a block of garages, and, lock ups at the back of these houses , with back of these houses, with police frantically shouting at him to give himself up, he wasn't doing that. according to the images, certainly, that were on the video that has been posted on social media. and then those same police officers shouting, screaming at residence who early in the morning, quite understandably , and hearing the understandably, and hearing the commotion were coming out of their back doors into their gardens to look at what was happening here. but the police shouting to them to get back inside to lock their doors and stay safe because this suspect had apparently been in gardens, had apparently been in gardens, had been trying doors , so it was had been trying doors, so it was a very tense situation on what

will be interesting, to find out , and we probably won't find this out today , but in the this out today, but in the coming days, perhaps is those first officers on scene were they equipped to the extent that they equipped to the extent that they were able to deal with someone with a large samurai sword ? in other words, okay, sword? in other words, okay, they weren't armed officers from , our understanding, but did they have taser? taser there is deployed to a lot of the frontline response officers, but not to every officer. so actually, the majority of police officers patrolling the streets officers patrolling the streets of the capital and indeed other locations around the country will not be armed with taser. it's a question of hot debate. the police federation, the representative body , that representative body, that represents police officers, the length and breadth of the country has in the past called for all police officers who want to be armed with taser, to be

able to be armed with taser, because , clearly they could be because, clearly they could be confronting a violent situation with someone who armed with a taser when all you've got is an extendable asp, a baton, and perhaps pepper spray. it's no match for a long bladed weapon like a samurai sword . like a samurai sword. >> and, mark, do you think this may hasten the calls for the police to be armed in a more heavy manner, with sidearms , heavy manner, with sidearms, with firearms? a lot of people today on the on on your side's on gb views have been saying it's about time the police were able to take such people down in able to take such people down in a manner that we may see, of course, in america, but the police themselves are very divided on this mark, aren't they? we've seen tremendous problems with firearms usage, with police officers being afraid of making a split second decision, maybe making a mistake which could blight their entire career or even see them get prosecuted. what's the mood, mark within the police? would

you believe for them to be properly and fully armed ? properly and fully armed? >> well, there have been surveys that have taken place of frontline officers over the years, and the majority of those officers do not want to be armed with firearms . so live firearms with firearms. so live firearms with firearms. so live firearms with bullets. clearly they don't want to go down that road. and their chief officers , and indeed their chief officers, and indeed our senior politicians don't want to see them go down that road either. they want to leave it to a cohort of specialist firearms officers who are trained to use this lethal force, rather than just routinely arming every police officer. we police by consent in this country, there is , concern, this country, there is, concern, i think, in the wider public, although there is support, i think, among for some police officers to be routinely armed . officers to be routinely armed. the majority of the public wouldn't like to see their

officers routinely armed. when you ask about taser , it's you ask about taser, it's a completely different situation. most police officers asked would like to be armed with taser , and like to be armed with taser, and i think probably most members of the public would like to see police have that extra level of what they call less lethal force and taser is not 100% effective ehhen and taser is not 100% effective either, really, because it is reliant on shooting out of these two barbs on wires, making a proper connection, and often it doesn't, depending on the kind of clothing material that someone might be wearing, how far away they are from the officer, whether they're moving or whatever. it doesn't always connect , but it's better than connect, but it's better than nothing. and clearly better than an unarmed officer who effectively only has an extendable baton and some cs spray or pepper spray . spray or pepper spray. >> okay. thank you mark white for that comprehensive update .

for that comprehensive update. and we are expecting to cross to that police conference. press conference shortly. the assistant commissioner of the metropolitan police force expected to address us with a full update. we will, of course, cross that as and when that becomes available. so stay with us. i'm martin daubney on gb news the

channel. welcome back to the show. i'm martin daubney. this is gb news. it's about quarter 4:12. now, the home office has admitted it's lost control. it's lost all trace of thousands of migrants destined to be deported to rwanda. of 5700 migrants who have been identified for removal , an astonishing 303,557 have simply disappeared. they have not necessarily absconded, but they are not subject to

reporting restrictions, which means they cannot be located for detention. so only 2145 of them continue to report to the home office and be and can be located for detention, meaning simply 3500 have vanished into the aether. well, to try and help us make sense of this. and now i'm joined by border security expert and the former head of ukip, henry bolton . henry, this is henry bolton. henry, this is simply astonishing. over 3500 earmarked for deportation have simply vanished into the aether. has the government, even though they're planning to deport them totally lost control of this situation , martin, i think they situation, martin, i think they never had control . never had control. >> i've said repeatedly that if you are , if you've made you are, if you've made a decision that somebody is going to be turned down for asylum, then you need to detain them immediately, not, you know, wait . and, you know, many of these

people, they know actually, because of the illegal migration act that was passed last year, anybody who comes into the country across in small boats from across the channel, pretty much knows, and their lawyers and so on, will tell them that they are ineligible for, for, for asylum in this country because they haven't come directly from , the country that directly from, the country that they're fleeing. >> now, if such a person knows that there's a likelihood that they are going to be detained, knows that they are, there's a likelihood that they're going to be removed, then there is a very high likelihood that they are going to disappear. >> and in this country, we don't have a national id card. we're one of the few nations in the world that doesn't, it's mainly sort of some of the, some of the, anglosphere countries that don't, but we don't. >> and so we lose track of these people if you're if you want to deport somebody , if you want to deport somebody, if you want to detain somebody, then do it . detain somebody, then do it. >> don't put them in a hotel.

don't put them in some sort of accommodation somewhere where they're free to come and go as they're free to come and go as they please. look, this is not rocket science , and that is the rocket science, and that is the problem with this whole program, this whole policy of rwanda. >> it has absolutely been weak at every single point. >> and, you know, there are those of us who've been trying to flag these things up to the home office. they're just it's falling on deaf ears. so it's i think it's incompetence. martin. it's there's no surprise for me in this at all. i just wonder whether how many of them are now in the republic of ireland. well, that was going to be my next point because of course, ireland is maintaining that those who are fearful of deportation are wandering somehow into northern ireland, strolling across the border, presenting themselves in ireland to simply dodge deportation altogether. and those that are sticking around henry are doing so because they get free accommodation and a small allowance. but that for many,

obviously over 3500 isn't enough. they simply vanished into the grey economy. they could be anywhere. they may have fled the country. henry, my next question is quite simple . is question is quite simple. is this proof that the only way of getting a handle on this isn't to let people wander around willy nilly, but to put them in containment centres, as we saw in countries such as australia, which managed to stop their boats more or less immediately. i've argued exactly that for probably the last three years, martin, if not longer, exactly. these people have crossed the border illegally now? yes it may be a defence that they've done so in order to claim asylum, but from july 20th last year, that's no longer even a defence. so we should be detaining all of these people now instead of continue farming them out to, to hotels and so on, are they are they just simply going across the, the northern irish border into the, into the south? the answer is, many do, the, the irish

repubuc is, many do, the, the irish republic does provide, quite a lot of support to them. there as well, the reason they don't go directly there is because it's more difficult to get across to the republic , the other thing is the republic, the other thing is that in my experience , migration that in my experience, migration flows and people smuggling flows move in both directions. and we know that a number of people from west africa have been flying into to ireland, where they don't have the same immigration arrangements as us, and then moving, across the border into northern ireland, into mainland uk, then hiding in trucks to try and go across from dover to mainland europe because they're trying to get to germany or wherever they're trying to get to. and it's the easiest way from west africa for some of them. so, you know, this is again, no surprise . and but i again, no surprise. and but i ask, you know, i sit here, i know these things i've worked in, in, in dealing with people smuggling asylum issues and migration , and the home office

migration, and the home office does this for a living. i no longer do it for a living, they should be totally on top of this if i can. if i know this is going on and i'm trying to raise the red flag, why aren't people in the home office doing the same? it's just got to be incompetence or a lack of will to actually make the system work. it doesn't. it doesn't surprise me when until recently, they've been working from home. most of them. that doesn't help . most of them. that doesn't help. henry, could i put a couple of points to you from our viewers? they've been getting in touch. gb news. com forward slash your say we had ivan sampson on the show earlier , a human rights show earlier, a human rights lawyer and he claimed, that the vast majority of those coming across the channel are asylum seekers. now, john, one of our viewers said this. i don't believe they are asylum seekers. they are economic migrants coming for their own interests, either for our benefits or health care or to work in the black economy. they are a cost to us both financially and socially. henry can we try and

get to the bottom of this, this incessant sort of merry go round of a debate? how many people typically do we know are coming here for genuine asylum purposes, and how many are coming here for economic migrant purposes? well, martin, you're asking a question i can't answer, all i can tell you is that many of them, the majority of them come from countries originally that do have serious human rights issues or conflict issues , but that is not the same issues, but that is not the same as saying that they are refugees. there are many places in syria that are entirely peaceful. you can come from syria and come from an entirely peaceful place, within syria . so peaceful place, within syria. so it's very difficult to establish that, particularly when i don't have the opportunity to nowadays to interview these people individually to sort of interrogate where the detail of that, however, the problem that the whole of this region, the european region has and it must

get to grips with otherwise this problem is going to get worse for all of us is we are allowing them, once they reach safety , to them, once they reach safety, to shop around as to where they wish to be. now there may be family links. one might have some sympathy with that, but the essential point here is that they are moving around then to choose the best place for a standard of living again , i standard of living again, i can't blame them, but we have to protect our own societies, our own economy, economy and our own culture, and indeed our own security . and i can tell you security. and i can tell you from my own experience dealing with these things, the vast majority of people and i would put it at about 90 to 95% of the people that i have been involved in dealing with who have been moved through people smuggling networks, are 100% economic migrants, 100. they never moved from the at the beginning for from the at the beginning for from fear of their life. but of

course they portray it as though they have because they know that if they say that they're there, they're shopping around for a better life, then they will be immediately detained and removed, so that's the reality of it. we are making this problem our selves, martin, by our own policy and the fact that we are we still refuse to accept that the vast majority of these people are not. and never have been fleeing for their lives. and once they get to the north french coast, of course they're not, one thing, martin. if we've got time on the irish thing , i got time on the irish thing, i actually think this is a marvellous opportunity because it's not come about by design. but if the if, if the government has taken exactly the right position, if the republic of ireland wants to send people back to here, then fine. but only vie if the french and the european union allow us to return people who've crossed the channel. now, that has got to be

an absolute, absolutely immovable position for the government. and if that's the case, we might just we might be able to pull together the european union , the irish, the european union, the irish, the french and ourselves to start deaung french and ourselves to start dealing with this problem on the almost global issue level that it needs to be dealt with. certainly, on the european regional level. and for those people thinking that the european union is the answer to this, it absolutely is not, as has been demonstrated by this very case. well, actually, henry, let's have a quick chat about that . the notion that about that. the notion that you're right, this could be a massive opportunity . it's like, massive opportunity. it's like, wow, if ireland can send asylum seekers , immigrants, whatever seekers, immigrants, whatever back to the united kingdom, and we should be doing the same to france, something that many, many people , certainly who watch many people, certainly who watch this channel would have wanted all along the problem is, of course, do we have the will to do that? we haven't done anything remotely similar to that all along. even when millions of voters seem to want

it now. the irish seem to have stolen a march on us. do you think there's any opportunity, any will, any possibility that rishi sunak might use this as an opportunity to go? yeah, we'll have a bit of that and we'll send ours back to france. look, i think rishi sunak has been an appalling prime minister and an appalling prime minister and an appalling leader of the conservative party. i don't know him personally. so that's not a personal comment. i'm just saying that, as you know, the my view of the leader of this nation, and that if he does not take this opportunity , then he take this opportunity, then he should leave post immediately . should leave post immediately. he will be letting down not only this country, but he will be ignonng this country, but he will be ignoring the opportunity that faces the whole of this region to use this this situation to as a driver, to get the whole of the european continent together to address this matter on a strategic level , the population strategic level, the population of africa is due to double by

2050. we know it's sort of we all know that africa can't support a doubling of its its population. there will be more poverty, there will be more drought , the greater lack of drought, the greater lack of food and so on. people will want to move. they are not going to go to china or north america. they are going to come north. they are going to come north. they are going to come towards the europe. and if we have not got solid policies in place to deal with that , to actually deal with that, to actually prevent it, prevent the movement and even deal with what happens actually at our borders, we are in a very, very bad place. it's only going to get worse from now unless this opportunity is taken . and i think we've got a now an opportunity with the irish, with the irish, with ourselves, with the irish, with ourselves, with the french, who don't want them ehhen the french, who don't want them either. and the european union, i think we can make some things worse. and rishi sunak now has the most wonderful opportunity to prove to this nation that everything he says is true, that he does have the steel, that he does have the spine, he does

have the initiative, and he does have the initiative, and he does have the initiative, and he does have the leadership to actually make this work, because i believe this is the opportunity, this is his chance. if he doesn't take it, then i'm sorry. my doesn't take it, then i'm sorry. my books, he needs to leave now . my books, he needs to leave now. well, henry baldwin, you've had your weetabix. you're full of beans. thank you very much for joining us on the show. always an absolute delight to have you on.and an absolute delight to have you on. and just a quick reminder, we are expecting a press conference any moment with the assistant commissioner of the metropolitan police force regarding that tragic stabbing earlier in north—east london at hainault. of course, we'll cross that as soon as that happens. but in other news, the king was back on royal duties today . but in other news, the king was back on royal duties today. he visited the university college hosphal visited the university college hospital, macmillan, cancer centre and we can now cross to cameron walker, cameron , a cameron walker, cameron, a wonderful moment to see the king back on a front foot, back in duty with queen camilla, looking every inch full of beans. tell us more .

us more. >> us more. >> yeah, it certainly was, martin. it was a wonderful atmosphere down here in central london outside the macmillan cancer centre at university college hospital in central london. he was very happy to engage with members of the pubuc engage with members of the public who had been waiting, as well as 1 or 2 familiar journalists as well, before he greeted hospital bosses and then went back into or went into the hospital. of course, it's his first public engagement since that cancer diagnosis back in february , and the king was very february, and the king was very keen today to highlight the importance of early diagnosis and also to talk about his own diagnosis and being open about that, he told one patient receiving chemotherapy inside the hospital that he's actually receiving more treatments for his own cancer this afternoon, which is something which the kind of detail you don't usually get from a member of the royal family. and it just shows how open he can be talking about his intimate medical details, encouraging others, perhaps to do the same. we're told that he was very keen to show the world that he can still work while

receiving this cancer treatment, and it looks very optimistic that as we get later towards the summer and the weather improves, we will see the king. more on pubuc we will see the king. more on public engagements. the buckingham palace also announced this morning that he is the new royal patron of cancer research uk. it's very poignant, actually, that appointment because his mother, the late queen elizabeth the second, became the royal patron of that charity back in 1953 and they have heavily invested in this hospital . they are researching hospital. they are researching heavily in a programme looking at lung cancer and why sometimes treatment stops working when it comes to certain types of lung cancers. the king and queen also met a patients who had received a melanoma vaccine as well, and met a couple of young people, young patients della thomas, aged six. the king personally gifted her, two items from the buckingham palace shop, a toy cuddly toy dog and a notebook. ellis edwards , aged 11, a boy, ellis edwards, aged 11, a boy, the queen gifted him a couple of

reading books, which was recommended by the queen's reading room , her charity reading room, her charity encouraging young people to read and kind of improving their life prospects in adult life, as well. and okay, cameron, we have to interrupt you there. >> we are now crossing to that press conference in north—east london. this is commissioner of the metropolitan police about to speak. >> we're all working closely with us. >> our thoughts, of course, remain with the family and friends of the 14 year old boy who very sadly died here this morning. we will be there to provide every possible support to them and ensure we get them the answers they need . the answers they need. >> we're also thinking of the two members of the public who were injured, as well as brave officers who were stabbed during this incident at the 36 year old man arrested at the scene is currently in hospital having suffered injuries when his van collided with a building. he has been arrested on suspicion of murder at this time. given his injuries, we have been unable to

interview him. we know there is speculation about his background, including police contact with him and despite urgent and extensive checks today, we have found no trace of a prior incident involving him so far. but we will of course continue to make those inquiries as a matter of urgency . we're as a matter of urgency. we're trying to understand exactly what happened and why this was and is a fast moving and complex incident, an investigation, and it will take us some time to establish the facts. this will be our priority in the coming days. be our priority in the coming days . with the suspect in days. with the suspect in custody. we are satisfied there is no threat to the wider community, but this is an incident which is clearly shocked everyone and over the coming days you will see a significant police presence in this area and will be remaining here increasing our patrols and ensuring the community are safe and supported . please speak to and supported. please speak to our officers . we are really keen

our officers. we are really keen to speak to anyone who witnessed this incident or has relevant information and would ask that they come forward as soon as possible . we are turning our possible. we are turning our focus to the wider community and in particular how the incident has impacted young people. we've set up a team of local officers specifically to respond to local community concerns. and finally , community concerns. and finally, i would like to take this opportunity to ask people to think very carefully about what they post on social media. there are some graphic images circulating online, and people should consider the impact of those on the families and those most closely affected by this incident. thank you . incident. thank you. >> good afternoon. i want to begin by saying, on behalf of the london ambulance service that our thoughts are with all those impacted by this morning's incident and their families. this morning, we began to receive 999 calls to our control room, suggesting there had been a stabbing in the vicinity of

hainault underground station. we dispatched multiple resources, including ambulance crews, specialist critical care paramedics and london's air ambulance . we declared a ambulance. we declared a significant incident and set up a dedicated operations centre. this allowed us to use our other control rooms to continue to respond to the rest of london. london ambulance service worked hard to ensure that the patients involved got the treatment they needed as quickly as possible . needed as quickly as possible. our teams treated five patients with a variety of injuries before taking all of them to hospital . sadly, despite the hospital. sadly, despite the very best efforts of our teams , very best efforts of our teams, a 14 year old boy has died at hospital . a 14 year old boy has died at hospital. i'd like to pay tribute to las colleagues who attended this scene at risk to themselves and to the courage of themselves and to the courage of the police officers injured while protecting the public. i'd also like to thank all our emergency service colleagues who

worked alongside us as we responded to this incident. once again, our thoughts are with the families of those who have been hurt and on behalf of everyone at the london ambulance service, we send our deepest condolences to the friends and family of the young boy who has sadly died . young boy who has sadly died. >> i'd like to start by saying that the thoughts of everyone at london fire brigade are with all those affected by this terrible incident today, particularly the family of those of the young person who has died and those who have been injured. firefighters were mobilised early this morning to assist police and london ambulance service colleagues at an incident near hainault underground station. crews were immediately deployed to provide rescue, response and assist the emergency service partners in deaung emergency service partners in dealing with this incident. we will continue to provide our emergency service colleagues and the hainault community with our service at this time . service at this time. >> i speak on behalf of redbndge >> i speak on behalf of redbridge council and of course our thoughts, our prayers and

our thoughts, our prayers and our hearts go out to those affected by this tragic event. >> this morning where four people are still in hospital, injured and tragically , one lad injured and tragically, one lad is no longer with us today. >> i also want to thank the officers of the three services is standing next to me. >> the police , the london >> the police, the london ambulance service, the fire bngade ambulance service, the fire brigade who heroically stop . brigade who heroically stop. >> what further tragedy from happening. >> their quick response and putting themselves in harm's way to stop further tragedy from occurring. it's through their quick thinking that they have managed to salvage something out of today. and of course , we as a of today. and of course, we as a council will continue to support

the three emergency services. we will continue to support the wider hainault community in the coming weeks and months. we're a strong knit community, a very close knit, and we will continue to work with our community cohesion work here and we will be there for our residents, our neighbours , as this goes into neighbours, as this goes into the future. >> thank you . thank you . >> thank you. thank you. >> thank you. thank you. >> we're not allowed . >> we're not allowed. >> we're not allowed. >> okay. and that was a joint press conference there , related, press conference there, related, of course, to the tragic stabbing earlier this morning and hainault, tube station in nonh and hainault, tube station in north east london. first to speak was the assistant commissioner of the metropolitan police. there's wes streeting. go to him. our whole community will be devastated by the heartbreaking news that killed in the horrific sword attack in hainault this morning that saw

four others injured, including two metropolitan police officers i >>i -- >> i can't imagine what that poor boy's family are going through, and they have my deepest , heartfelt condolences deepest, heartfelt condolences and i know the thoughts and prayers not just of this community, but our whole country i >> -- >> my prayers are also with the other victims of this horrific attack and their loved ones. >> i particularly want to thank the emergency services for their courageous response , in courageous response, in particular, the heroic metropolitan police officers who put themselves in harm's way to protect others. they are the best of us, and i know the injuries sustained by the police officers involved will have really affected our whole metropolitan police force. so i want to thank all of those officers who are very visible in our community today. i also know there will be widespread fear and alarm in our community, but the police have made an arrest and are not looking for any other suspects. i am grateful to

the police for their visible and reassuring presence in hainault today, and their commitment to an ongoing presence in the coming days . an ongoing presence in the coming days. i came here this afternoon straight from a meeting with the mayor of london in ilford, the leader of the london borough of redbridge and have been in regular contact with the metropolitan police throughout the day and will keep local residents updated as best i can. our community deserves answers about what happened , and answers about what happened, and it is vital that we give the police space to do their work. anyone with any information or footage should provide this directly to the police via 101, and i would urge people to refrain from speculating or posting footage on social media while we wait for the facts to emerge. thank you very much . emerge. thank you very much. >> okay, that was wes streeting. of course he's the shadow health minister and the constituency mp for the area affected in this tragic stabbing round about 7

am. this morning around hainault tube in north—east london. that was a joint press conference there from the respondents emergency services, starting with the assistant commissioner of the metropolitan police, louisa rolfe. and she said that our thoughts remain with the 14 year old's family. of course, a 14 year old boy was fatally stabbed in this incident. she commended the brave officers who also had been stabbed. two police officers, of course, were injured in in this, she mentioned the 36 year old man who was responsible for this, allegedly is currently in hospital and due to the nature of his injuries, because if you recall, he initially crashed his van into a property . he recall, he initially crashed his van into a property. he is currently unwell and not well enough to be questioned, but she said he has now been arrested on suspicion of murder. so this is very much now a live case, louisa rolfe, also keen to state

that there was no trace of previous contact with the police. so the man who's been arrested on suspicion of murder wasn't known to the police. is the takeaway from that, she added. it's a fast moving complex investigation but wanted to reassure the community. there is no threat to the wider community and she wanted to add you will see a significant police presence in the area, and she specifically was concerned about how this incident would impact and affect young people. of course, traumatic for the entire community, to learn that a 14 year old boy was taken dunng a 14 year old boy was taken during this . and she also added, during this. and she also added, particularly because this is now a live murder suspected murder trial. she warned against people posting material on social media, not only which may bias or have implications on the legal outcome of that case, but she also talked about the graphic content of some of that

footage and the still images of the crime scene as it, became and then next to speak was a representative from the london ambulance service , who talked ambulance service, who talked about a the special critical care officers, treated five patients and added sadly, a boy of 14 died commended the courage of 14 died commended the courage of police officers and the other emergency services who attended the fire brigade representative commended the crews. immediately deployed and will continue to be of service to our emergency services colleagues. they very much felt like a family pulling together. there protecting each other during what must be a hugely traumatic time for all of them. and finally, a representative from redbridge council, again said this tragic event, this morning, one lad is no longer with us today . words no longer with us today. words like that lad that really get you down. they, he thanked the three heroic emergency services

who were attendants with him for putting themselves in harm's way and their quick thinking salvage something from today, which could have been much worse had they not put themselves in harm's way. a strong, close knit community. we will be there every step of the way. so very much presenting a community, coming together in the face of this tragedy. i believe we can now cross to our homeland security editor, mark white, for more reaction to what we've just learned. mark white. >> well, you've just summarised it all there, martin. but i think in terms of the investigation , clearly they will investigation, clearly they will be delving as far into this man's background as they can, because they want to establish exactly what the motivation was and also really to bottom out whether there had been any prior contact with with the police.

you heard from louisa rolfe there , the assistant there, the assistant commissioner saying these initial inquiries that they have made, on this, the background of this individual, as far as they can tell there has not been any pnor can tell there has not been any prior contact with this man. but that may change as of course, they then get involved in probably raiding his home address in speaking to family members, friends of this individual, to determine exactly who he he is, what his motivation might well have been . motivation might well have been. >> okay. thank you mark white for that summary. >> okay. thank you mark white for that summary . and of course, for that summary. and of course, we'll have a full reaction to more of that as it emerges throughout the show, wes streeting also , though, spoke streeting also, though, spoke the constituency mp for the area , and he said he can't imagine what the young boy's family must be going through today, and once again commended the heroic metropolitan police officers. and he said they are the best of

us. we'll have much more on that story as it develops . i us. we'll have much more on that story as it develops. i martin

welcome back. it's 445. i'm martin daubney. this is gb news. welcome to the show. now, of course , humza yousaf am now, of course, humza yousaf am dramatically resigned from the post as first minister of scotland yesterday , having said scotland yesterday, having said on friday that he would vow to fight on. well, that vow to fight on. well, that vow to fight on. well, that vow to fight on only lasted the weekend . in a tear soaked farewell, he talked about that identity politics, how nobody who looked like him had even ever been working in scottish politics. he even mentioned gaza. but now that mr yousaf is consigned to history, acting as the interim first minister, all eyes now are on his successor and to discuss who may be the runners and the

riders . i'm who may be the runners and the riders. i'm now who may be the runners and the riders . i'm now joined by tony riders. i'm now joined by tony mcguire, gb news scotland reporter. tony, welcome to the show, so all eyes are now on whom who will be the next first minister? and the big question is, will we see a continuity candidate with more of the same misquote politics, or might we see a more radical change and a veer back towards common sense ? veer back towards common sense? >> well, that's interesting, you say so, martin, and good afternoon to you too. i think yesterday what we saw was the discontinued line of the continuity candidate. >> and yet the first thing that a lot of the parties seemed to jump a lot of the parties seemed to jump towards was a continuity candidate for that continuity candidate. so what we're really seeing now, i would say one of the two big questions is, is the with the party leaning towards the new era , which we're, the new era, which we're, i guess seeing represented in kate forbes. she came out and officially said today that she is considering a run sort of the

announcement of the maybe announcement. and in john swinney, of course , the former swinney, of course, the former deputy leader, under nicola sturgeon . he is also said he is sturgeon. he is also said he is heavily considering both of them have talked about their groundswell of support . john groundswell of support. john swinney, of course, can have two decades plus in the just in the in the scottish government and of course part of the snp long before that, kate forbes well, she came under fire this time last year because of some of her more conservative views, etc. around gay marriage. and of course, as we've seen though , course, as we've seen though, over the last year and i would say actually maybe 15, 16 months, i think the snp are starting to realise that a lot of scotland has this conservative side where, you know, yes, we're looking to be progressive , but, you know, at progressive, but, you know, at our own pace and i think a lot of warmth was shown to kate forbes last year and i think she's described it herself this year as a groundswell of

support. and then on the other question that i would put to you is, will we even see a leadership race at all? now, i know that the press up here are absolutely dying for another 28 days on the road , but a lot of days on the road, but a lot of questions have been asked of whether we'll actually just see a coronation of john swinney, whether we'll see it go to a safe pair of hands, and whether he will be enough to unite the pro—independence parties, stop an early election and indeed, leave , leaving the scottish leave, leaving the scottish government into the hands of the pro—unionist parties. now that is very much the two questions being raised at the minute. both of them, i guess. we don't know. kate forbes and john swinney. i think we'll hear in the next 24 hours whether they are actually going to go for a race, whether we're knuckling down for another month, another year with us. snp leadership race. >> okay, tony mcguire, thanks for that. update on the bid to succeed humza yousaf as the next

first minister. now moving on, the nhs is to declare that sex is a matter of biology in a landmark shift against gender ideology , changes to the health ideology, changes to the health service's written constitution proposed by ministers will for the first time ban trans people from women only wards and give women the right to request a female doctor for more intimate care. well, the new constitution will state we are defining sex as biological sex, and we're going to have a debate on this. and joining me now to debate it is the human rights campaigner and the activist peter tatchell , and the activist peter tatchell, and the activist peter tatchell, and the activist peter tatchell, and the co—founder and the ceo of sex matters may have forced doctor. welcome to the show to both of you. mayor, may i start with you? you know that. think this is a long overdue welcome back to common sense and reality, don't you ? reality, don't you? >> absolutely. if there's one place where, people should know

what sex you are, it's when they're dealing with your health care, it's crazy that the nhs has not been recording people's sex. somebody might be non—binary , and that's fine, but non—binary, and that's fine, but the hospital still needs to know whether they're male or female. and when it comes to putting people in a sleeping accommodation in wards, women want to have single—sex spaces. they want to have privacy and dignity . and that doesn't mean dignity. and that doesn't mean the nhs can't also look after transgender males, but it can't do it by placing them in the women's ward . women's ward. >> and peter tatchell, do you think this is fair enough? i mean, when women are at their most vulnerable at their weakest in hospital, they deserve every protection that the state can offer. and it seems now the nhs concurs . coi'icui's. >> concurs. >> well, let's face it, this is a pre—election stunt by the conservatives designed to stir up and inflame culture wars. and they're using trans women as

political fodder, which i think is pretty disgraceful and pretty low. but of course, it's true that biological sex is a fact. it's a reality. and it's very important because men and women biologically do present with different illnesses and different illnesses and different symptoms. so it's very important that hospitals know know who is biologically male or female. so i've got no worry with that at all, likewise, when it comes to the hospital ward provision, the easy way out of this is to simply assign trans patients to a private room or if there are several trans patients in the hospital, to set up a specialist trans ward. that way, women will feel safe and comfortable, and so will trans people . and when it comes to, people. and when it comes to, women patients wanting to be treated by a female doctor when it comes to intimate care, that's been a long standing policy and i support it.

>> but is that enough for you, mayor because anybody who knows hospital wards knows that a private room is on the ward. you can open the door and walk around. it's not keeping the ward secluded. it's not keeping the ward safe from potential dangen the ward safe from potential danger. it's simply putting people behind a closed door which they presumably will be free to open . free to open. >> absolutely. and private rooms are used for all kinds of things. they're used for end of life. they're used for infection care. it has to be a clinical decision as to who is using a private room at any one time, so that can't be the answer. the answer has to be in the first place. are people considered as having a sex which is an objective reality, or are they allowed to choose whether they're treated as as men or women? and currently we, the nhs says if somebody identifies as non—binary so they don't need to have done anything whatsoever to, you know, perhaps chosen they them pronouns a man can choose to be placed in women's

accommodation in the women's ward. the idea that a man who has they then pronouns should be in a private room of his own is ridiculous . the in a private room of his own is ridiculous. the nhs in a private room of his own is ridiculous . the nhs doesn't have ridiculous. the nhs doesn't have those resources. so first thing it has to do is be clear that patients are male and female, and doctors are male and female nurses are male and female. so if they're going to offer patients a guarantee that you can ask for a female healthcare professional, then they need to be able to know, what sex their doctors are and be clear to the doctors are and be clear to the doctors that the patients are not there to affirm their gender identity . identity. >> and peter tatchell, briefly, if we could, the cas first, the cas report came along a globally acknowledged breakthrough for the women's rights activists. and now the nhs is following suit. do you feel that the trans activists, the ideology that you support , is losing its power ? support, is losing its power? >> it's not about trans

activists, it's about love and care and compassion for trans people. and there's absolutely no proof, no evidence that trans people in general are in any way a threat to women in any circumstance , including in circumstance, including in hospital. and there are private rooms that are off wards that are separate. that is a perfectly acceptable solution. or as i said, to have specialist trans wards , you know, we can trans wards, you know, we can find a solution. we have to look at this in a way that respects women's rights . women's rights. >> and peter tatchell, i'm afraid we have to leave it there and mayor four fs also, i'm afraid we've simply run out of time. a superb debate stick around. we'll be back. i'm martin daubney, but first, it's time for your latest weather forecast. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar for sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> afternoon. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news. more of the same for the rest of

today. it's been a fine day so far across much of the east, and we'll hang on to some sunny spells here, but further west a lot of cloud, further outbreaks of rain, particularly for wales, parts of southwest england that rain extending into the west midlands at times into southwest scotland, also turning a bit dner scotland, also turning a bit drier through the evening and overnight across northern ireland and in the east. after a fine day overnight . possibility fine day overnight. possibility of some showers getting into east anglia and lincolnshire for many temperatures holding up 7 to 10 c, so a fairly mild night and a mild start to wednesday. quite a cloudy start and a very different day to come tomorrow over northeast england and eastern scotland. a much duller day and there will be some rain at times, particularly in the afternoon. across the far north—east, but a much brighter day for wales and southwest england. some decent spells of sunshine here and some fine weather in western scotland 18 degrees here. further south we could get up to 18 or 19, but late in the day . look at this. late in the day. look at this. the potential for some heavy rain, even some big thunderstorms working up from the south, particularly on wednesday night.

the south, particularly on wednesday night . early hours of wednesday night. early hours of thursday morning could get woken up thursday morning could get woken ”p by thursday morning could get woken up by a rumble of thunder or a flash of lightning. those thunderstorms easing off a little bit, but more showers in the south on thursday. elsewhere again, generally a fine day, a cool breeze developing on those nonh cool breeze developing on those north sea coasts. but in western scotland a pretty warm one. temperatures could get over 20 celsius on thursday afternoon. >> looks like things are heating up . up. >> boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> a very good afternoon to you. it's 5 pm. welcome to the martin daubney show. broadcasting live from the heart of westminster all across the uk. coming up in the next hour, we'll have the latest news on the tragic stabbing in north—east london. and we heard a short while ago from the

assistant police commissioner, who gave a detailed insight into the status of the 36 year old man who now has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder. we learned he is two unwell to be questioned. she gave her sympathy and a heartfelt feelings to the local community. we also heard from the fire service, from the ambulance services, from the council and also the local mp and of course the shadow health minister, wes streeting. we'll have a full update on that fast moving story throughout this hour. and also, the king is back on duty. he paid a visit today to university hospital london, back in fine fettle. he also extend his heartfelt condolences to the victims of today's tragic shooting. we'll have that and we'll have loads of debate. we'll have a cracking amount of fun. but first, it's time for your latest news headlines. and it's ray addison.

>> thanks, martin. 5:01. our top stories this hour. >> thanks, martin. 5:01. our top stories this hour . well, the stories this hour. well, the suspect in today's horrific sword attack in north east london has been arrested on suspicion of murder. a 14 year old boy died following a sword attack in hainault. police say a 36 year old man is currently in hospital, and they've been unable to interview him due to his condition. four other people were injured in that attack and they were taken to hospital. two, including two police officers . earlier, buckingham officers. earlier, buckingham palace said the king's thoughts and prayers are with all those affected. assistant commissioner louisa rolfe says the suspect was not known to them. >> the 36 year old man arrested at the scene is currently in hospital, having suffered injuries when his van collided with a building . injuries when his van collided with a building. he has injuries when his van collided with a building . he has been with a building. he has been arrested on suspicion of murder at this time. given his injuries, we have been unable to interview him. we know there is speculation about his background, including police contact with him and despite urgent and extensive checks

today , we have found no trace of today, we have found no trace of a prior incident involving him so far. >> well, local residents have spoken of their fear following that attack. >> really , really devastating >> really, really devastating because now i live here, i've lived. i don't feel safe anymore. i don't think i'd be able to take my daughter and let her out by herself here, because we're constantly now, within the last year and a half, we're heanng last year and a half, we're hearing something's always happening. >> you almost become more cynical to it after a while, but i think when you have conversations about the police forces and, you know, attendances to incidents like this, the police force needs to be commended for what they have been able to achieve with the resources they've got. >> king charles has revealed his shock at being diagnosed with cancer , as he returned to cancer, as he returned to official public duties for the first time since his diagnosis, he visited a cancer treatment centre alongside the queen to meet medical specialists and

patients. when asked about the state of his health currently , state of his health currently, he said i'm well. the king has been announced as the new patron of cancer research uk, taking over from his mother, the late queen elizabeth. the government has denied claims that it has lost track of thousands of migrants. this after a home office report suggested that more than half of those set for deportation to rwanda could not be located. according to the figures, just over 2100 identified for removal are in touch with authorities. out of 5700, all had been told that their asylum claims were inadmissible. their asylum claims were inadmissible . 62% have not inadmissible. 62% have not reported to the home office. shadow chancellor rachel reeves says the government has lost control of illegal immigration. >> the conservatives have lost control of the borders and now they have literally lost the people who they say they're going to be sending to rwanda. they've lost control of the immigration and asylum system, and it is ordinary working people that are paying the price. the government needs to

crack down on the criminal gangs that are luring people to this country , and then process the country, and then process the claims without losing the asylum seekers , which is now what is seekers, which is now what is appearing to happen . appearing to happen. >> sir keir starmer says the people of scotland should be allowed to have a say on who becomes the next leader of the snp, after a motion of no confidence in the scottish government was tabled by the labour party there. that will be debated and voted on tomorrow. humza yousaf announced that he was stepping down as first minister on monday , and will minister on monday, and will continue in his post until a replacement can be found . senior replacement can be found. senior snp figures are backing former deputy first minister john swinney for the top job. the scottish labour leader , anas scottish labour leader, anas sarwar says mr swinney is not a candidate for change. >> john swinney has been at the heart of the snp government for the last 17 years. he's at the heart of the snp party. for the last 40 years he was the architect of the finance deals that broke local government . he that broke local government. he was the worst education secretary in the history of the

scottish parliament. he's the man that wrote and delivered the bute house agreement and now somehow wants to pretend he's the change candidate . the change candidate. >> two men have been charged with causing criminal damage to the famous sycamore gap tree in northumberland . last year, there northumberland. last year, there was a national outcry when the much loved 200 year old tree, which stood in a dramatic dip on hadrian's wall, was found to have been cut down. daniel graham and adam carruthers have also been charged with causing criminal damage to hadrian's wall , and criminal damage to hadrian's wall, and will appear at southeast northumberland magistrates court on the 15th of may. well for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. carmelites back now to . martin. >> thank you very much, ray. now we start this hour with our top story. and of course, it's the

tragic , stabbing this morning in tragic, stabbing this morning in hainault in northeast london. and a boy of 14 years age was tragically killed. two police officers also wounded in the attack by a 36 year old man. you can see on your screen now. and also two pedestrians also caught in that incident. a short while ago, we heard a press conference from the assistant commissioner of the metropolitan police force, louise rolfe, who gave us some significant updates. and now we can cross to katherine forster gb news political correspondent who is at the scene of the incident earlier on. catherine, you spoke very emotionally early on of the locals who'd spoken with you, their sense of desolation, of what's happened. and now we've heard from the police. what's the latest ? the latest? >> yes, we have another press conference just in the last hour or so , the assistant or so, the assistant commissioner, louisa rolfe, along with representatives from

london ambulance service and the fire brigade and the leader of the local council here, redbndge the local council here, redbridge council. and let's first take a look at what the police chief had to say . police chief had to say. >> the 36 year old man arrested at the scene is currently in hospital having suffered injuries when his van collided with a building. he has been arrested on suspicion of murder at this time. given his injuries, we have been unable to interview him. we know there is speculation about his background, including police contact with him and despite urgent and extensive checks today we have found no trace of a prior incident involving him so far . so far. >> yes, so no trace of a prior incident that puts to bed some of the speculation that we were heanng of the speculation that we were hearing locally, but but we now learn that this man is too ill currently to be interviewed by

police because of these injuries that he sustained and the police are asking people to think very carefully before sharing distressing content on social media. there's a lot of footage floating around . a lot of it is floating around. a lot of it is quite graphic. they're saying , quite graphic. they're saying, please be mindful. there are victims here. there is a family who have lost their son. there are four other people in hospital and their families. please don't share this footage. but of course, if you have seen something, if you have footage, do bring it to the police because this investigation is still at an early stage and fast moving and we, as i said earlier, was to talking local people, a little bit earlier. let's take a look again at what some of them had to say. >> it was it was more of a calm area before, and i could i can

see it myself as my kids are growing up, that the increasement of the knife crime is getting severe. it's getting out of hand. that's what it is. it's getting out of hand. what they need to make a tougher law, you know, because it's become so easy and comfortable for these young youngers to carry the knives. and i think majority of the time they're carrying the knives for their own safety because they think that someone else is carrying it. >> you almost become more cynical to it after a while, but i think when you have conversations about the police forces and, you know, attendances to incidents like this, the police force needs to be commended for what they have been able to achieve with the resources they've got. what has happenedis resources they've got. what has happened is perhaps a one off, an off key, but it's becoming more prevalent in all areas around london. >> so that gentleman paying tribute to the police, who of course run into danger when the rest of us would run away, the

lady saying that, you know, in the last few years she started to feel unsafe in this neighbourhood. i have to say , neighbourhood. i have to say, north—east london. it's a very ordinary, very suburban area, the same as many of us go back to on a night after school and after work. but they were also telling me that there had been actually a shooting on this road at the beginning of april. nobody luckily was killed in that incident, but there was also a stabbing not too far away too. so the community very , very too. so the community very, very concerned. the police, stressing that they have specialist officers supporting, of course , officers supporting, of course, the family of the boy who has died but who are there for the local community saying, this is not they don't believe terror related. they believe that it is an isolated incident trying to reassure the local community. another person who was here was the shadow health secretary. that's wes streeting . this is

that's wes streeting. this is his local constituency. and let's have a listen to what he had to say. >> our whole community will be devastated by the heartbreaking news that a 14 year old boy was killed in a horrific sword attack in hainault this morning that saw four others injured, including two metropolitan police officers . police officers. >> i can't imagine what that poor boy's family are going through, and they have my deepest heartfelt condolences and i know the thoughts and prayers not just of this community, but our whole country . my prayers are also with the other victims of this horrific attack and their loved ones . attack and their loved ones. >> yes. so there's wes streeting , the local mp for this area. as you can see, there's street after street is still cordoned off. people are coming again and again trying to get home from work and from school, and they can't because there's forensics teams that are still poring over

evidence and no clear idea of when this cordon behind me is going to be removed. but of course, these people going home, going back to their lives very, very shaken, but one family, has life just, you know, in in tatters today. and of course, those four other people, two police officers and two members of the public are still being treated in hospital . treated in hospital. >> thank you, katherine forster, for that update from the north east london. very, very moving stuff. and let's move on now and speak to the former metropolitan detective chief inspector , peter detective chief inspector, peter kirkham. peter, welcome to the show. always a pleasure to have you on. it's a shame it's in such tragic circumstances as today, a significant police operation now underway. peter, the police put themselves in harm's way, and they've been roundly, thanked for their bravery in that incident. peter, first of all, can you would you like to add your tributes to the

amazing bravery of those officers who acted quickly in first response? >> yes, i certainly would , as >> yes, i certainly would, as you say, the expression they run towards danger when the rest of us run away from it is too much of a truism, and we see it all the time and sometimes incidents make it into the media and sometimes they don't. more often than not, they don't , but there than not, they don't, but there are officers doing this all day, every day, all around the country. and we shouldn't forget that in this particular case, i think the footage shows , a think the footage shows, a female officer at one point just yards from the guy with the knife, i suspect she was unarmed with anything other than cs spray and a baton, neither of which is a lot of use against the 2 or 3 foot sword. >> and that brings us to the next question, peter. a lot of people have been saying, is it time to arm the police in a more significant manner to able them

to take down people like this ? to take down people like this? >> well, we need to do is we need to make sure that wherever we are in the country, because these things happen in all sorts of places, hainault is quite quiet suburb of london. and so there are fewer police officers per square mile or whatever. then there are elsewhere in london, but still there are more than there are in many rural areas. and these things can happen anywhere. and so what we need to do is we need to make sure that there is an emergency response available at 24 hours a day to all of the country , that day to all of the country, that is, officers armed with tasers , is, officers armed with tasers, and or, firearms . we can't just and or, firearms. we can't just have those officers focused in cities with nothing in the rural areas, nothing in the suburbs, because these things happen anywhere . and so it's a question

anywhere. and so it's a question of getting that balance right . of getting that balance right. and i suspect it's probably not right at the moment in a lot of places, rather than going down a debate of arming all officers, i don't think we're anywhere near that. there are several steps in between that we can, take beforehand . beforehand. >> peter, back to this specific case, a 36 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder. he is in hospital. apparently two injured to be able to be questioned . but they are clear questioned. but they are clear there is no threat to the wider community. and what was fascinating, peter, and how how normal is it? a wider police presence has been put in place, particularly to help young people , of course. a 14 year old people, of course. a 14 year old boy, tragically taken in this incident that would have a profound impact on all young people in that community, many of whom may even have gone to school with this. this child, for sure. >> the increased police presence will be for a number of reasons,

although there is no indication that there is any continuing threat in that area, or anywhere else for that matter, particularly connected with this incident , there will be incident, there will be witnesses, potential witnesses in the area. so having police officers around speaking to people will quite often turn up witnesses that otherwise wouldn't come to light. and they may well provide a significant piece of the jigsaw that's otherwise missing . but as you otherwise missing. but as you say, there's a young person involved here as the victim, and thatis involved here as the victim, and that is absolutely tragic. and that is absolutely tragic. and that will have a significant impact on those who know the victim , people. he went to victim, people. he went to school with, people he went to youth groups or sports groups with, they will be affected. and it's important that the police try to identify anyone that's in need of support to avoid them, becoming, over distraught where support can be provided , by the support can be provided, by the nhs or by other counselling

services , so there's a variety services, so there's a variety of reasons why those officers will be around for a while . will be around for a while. >> and peter, the assistant commissioner of the met, louisa rolfe, said and words echoed by wes streeting, the local mp, were urging people not to share footage or photographs of the incident due to their graphic nature. but presumably that's also evidence this is now an ongoing case, for sure. >> it's of evidential value and it should be passed and shared to the police. but it shouldn't be shared more widely. it's not a good thing to be sharing, a photographs of violence, incidents, video of violence, incidents, video of violence, incidents of graphic imagery, of injuries and such. like we've seen police officers disciplined, dismissed , even disciplined, dismissed, even imprisoned. i believe in one case for sharing pictures amongst themselves on a closed whatsapp group and so when we

talk about sharing on wider, more public, platforms such as twitter or instagram or such like these aren't things that really we should be encouraging at all. and in fact, we should be cracking down on the, platform providers to make sure that this sort of thing isn't shared. if people have footage , shared. if people have footage, even if they're not sure that it's anything different, share it's anything different, share it with the police. again, it may well be the piece of the jigsaw that's missing. share it with the police. but do not share it on wider social media. it distresses those involved, and it is distressing to many others, and it has a detrimental effect on young people who might see it as well, so there's a myriad reasons why it shouldn't be shared openly on social media. if you do see footage like that , then report it to the like that, then report it to the social media provider and ask that they take it down. they will in some cases .

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welcome back. it's 525. i'm martin daubney. this is gb news now. the mother of grace o'malley kumar, who was tragically stabbed to death by valdo calocane in nottingham while trying to save the life of her friend barnaby webber, has been wants to be commended for the highest bravery medal in the land for civilians. the saint george's medal. her mother shinade put her forward for this. and today we learned that the prime minister, rishi sunak, also backs the awarding of the saint george's medal to grace o'malley . kumar, who stepped in o'malley. kumar, who stepped in when barnaby webber was being stabbed by valdo calocane and in a in a heroic attempt to save her friend's life, she truly was an amazing grace. now, i'm delighted to say, now i can cross to , natalie haigh, who's cross to, natalie haigh, who's the editor of nottingham live and a great friend of the show,

natalie , welcome to the show. natalie, welcome to the show. a tremendous tribute. this would be not only to help the family heal be not only to help the family heal, but to help the city of nottingham heal. >> yeah, that's exactly right . >> yeah, that's exactly right. >> yeah, that's exactly right. >> i mean, what what you said there today, shinade o'malley kumar, who is grace's mum, who tragically died in the stabbings in nottingham in june last year at the hands of valdo calocane , at the hands of valdo calocane, they've put her forward for the george cross, which would be an absolutely amazing honour. now, what actually happened in the final moments of grace's life, she was walking home with her friend barnaby webber, who also died in the incident. >> and we heard during the trial of calocane in january this year that grace, fought bravely and, you know, was really strong trying to fight off calocane from barnaby webber, unfortunately, her efforts were in vain . in vain. >> barnaby died, but she spent the last few moments of her life trying to fight him off. >> unfortunately, she lost her life in the attack as well. now,

this kind of extraordinary bravery is the kind of thing that could be recognised through the george cross , a lot of the the george cross, a lot of the recipients, and it's been over 400 of them since the cross was introduced in 1940, have been military related or military connected, but there have been some civilians as well . and the some civilians as well. and the award, of course, in this case would be on an awarded posthumously. >> and the process it has to go through as it goes to an independent committee for review i >> -- >> and then the king himself has to approve the honour. but it's quite something today that the prime minister has come out and said he supports the campaign. so it feels like we've got over the first hurdle already. >> it would be amazing for grace to be honoured in this way and like you said, it would help her family to heal, they've said today it would be, fitting a fitting memory of her, the fact that she fought so bravely in her final moments is a great example for other children and young people around the country

of her bravery, and it provides, i think, some sort of closure for the family and for nottingham as well, to have somebody honoured in this way. so it's a case of seeing what happens next. i think with the prime minister's backing that's massive and a really, positive live thing for this campaign that's been started. >> yeah. you know, you mentioned there about closure and healing . there about closure and healing. natalie, as you know, i'm from nottingham. the footage of calocane arrests was sent to gb news by a friend of mine who just happened to live above where the arrests happened. and natalie, what struck me and i know moved people in nottingham so profoundly were some of the impact statements given by the families of those who lost, grace and barnaby and some of the survivors, of trying to trying to handle their grief, the brother of grace saying that he he was like sleeping with her. i find it. so let's talk,

sleeping with her, university top, just to try and feel closer top, just to try and feel closer to her. and so, so. no, the loss is profound. the sense of injustice is profound. it's a massively emotive topic. and surely, the saint george's medal would be a fitting tribute and should happen , yes. should happen, yes. >> absolutely. agree with that. you know, it's not just the families who have been profoundly affected by this and, you know, they have been deeply affected by this. we heard, emma webber, who's who's barnaby webber's mum, talking on the court steps after the sentencing of calocane. >> and the statement she gave was , impactful, powerful, laying was, impactful, powerful, laying blame at the door of the police, the cps, the mental health services. >> so failing her son, but, you know, moving back on to grace and the kind of person she was and the kind of person she was and why this would be fitting for her to be honoured in this way. >> her dad, who's also a doctor,

doctor sanjoy kumar , has spoken doctor sanjoy kumar, has spoken to us today about the kind of person she was and she was a first year medical student at the university of nottingham. she played at the top level of hockey. she was absolutely amazing hockey player. she played for england , but even played for england, but even before she went to university at the age of 16, she was out on her vespa , going out to her vespa, going out to vaccinate people during the covid pandemic. so she put herself, out there on the front line during the covid pandemic as well. so she was naturally brave and honourable person, putting others first all the time. and the fact she'd chosen medicine as a career shows what kind of person she was, too. so, an amazing person. and we i think it's quite fitting to read out what her mum shinade said as well. so she said grace is never coming back to us, but we never want her to be forgotten. and our hope is that it would help her to be remembered as the wonderful person she was. so, grace , of course, was not the

grace, of course, was not the only person to die in this attack. barnaby webber, who have already mentioned, ian coates was the caretaker who was 65, who was stabbed just around the corner as well. but there are also three people who were hit by calocane van who had life altering injuries in this attack. so the impact was quite wide ranging . and i think if wide ranging. and i think if grace is honoured in this way , grace is honoured in this way, it would put her place in history and perhaps her name could be remembered more than calocane , because you often find calocane, because you often find in cases like this that the murderer becomes notorious, which is what we don't want. we want the victims to be remembered forever. and what they did, and the bravery and they did, and the bravery and the way that grace stood up to calocane in her final moments . calocane in her final moments. >> nazi. that was beautifully put. can i ask you quickly what the reaction has been from nottingham live? viewers, readers, because i know the journalism you provide is excellent. what have they been saying to you ? saying to you? >> they've been quite positive about it, obviously this wasn't

the we didn't break this story this morning. i can't take credit for it. that's sometimes the way it goes in journalism. but we have spoken to the family today who we've got close contacts with and they trust us. so it was in the sun originally, and then we spoke to the family today and the reaction has been positive from readers. and as you know, the comments on news websites can sometimes become a bit of a grim place, but this is quite unique in the fact that everyone's saying, yes, it should happen. definitely i don't know anyone who's disagreeing with it. and as we said, the prime minister himself agrees with it. so all we need now is, the king to be honest. so if he's watching, please . so if he's watching, please. >> thank you very much, natalie fay, the editor of nottingham live on the campaign for the posthumous awarding of the saint george's medal to grace o'malley. kumar, of course, was stabbed to death by valdo calocane in nottingham . playmore calocane in nottingham. playmore coming up on the on the show. but first it's time for your latest news headlines. and here's ray addison.

>> thanks, martin. 5:32, the suspect in today's horrific sword attack in north—east london has been arrested on suspicion of murder. 14 year old boy died following that incident in hainault . the met says a 36 in hainault. the met says a 36 year old man is currently in hospital and they've been unable to interview him due to his condition . four other people condition. four other people were injured and taken to hospital, including two police officers. earlier, buckingham palace said the king's thoughts and prayers are with all those affected . a jealous ex—partner affected. a jealous ex—partner who killed a mother in front of her two children has been handed a life sentence. 46 year old obert moyo must serve a minimum of 27 years. he attacked 35 year old perseverance ncube in her bedroom before chasing her into the street. once there, he stabbed her through the heart . stabbed her through the heart. king charles has revealed his

shock at being diagnosed with cancer as he returned to official public duties for the first time since his diagnosis. he visited a cancer treatment centre alongside the queen to meet medical specialists and patients. the king has been announced as new patron of cancer research uk, taking over from his mother, the late queen elizabeth. the government has denied claims that it has lost track of thousands of migrants, after a home office report suggested that more than half of those set for deportation to rwanda could not be located. according to the figures, just over 2100 identified for removal are in touch with authorities. out of 5700, all had been told that their asylum claims were inadmissible. sir keir starmer says the people of scotland should be allowed to have a say on who becomes the next leader of the snp, after a motion of no confidence in the scottish government was tabled by the labour party there. that will be debated and voted on tomorrow .

debated and voted on tomorrow. humza yousaf announced he was stepping down as first minister on monday and will continue in that post until a replacement can be found . and finally, two can be found. and finally, two men have been charged with causing criminal damage to the famous sycamore gap tree in northumberland last year. there was a national outcry with a much loved 200 year old tree which stood in a dramatic dip on hadrian's wall, was found to have been felled . daniel graham have been felled. daniel graham and adam carruthers have also been charged with causing criminal damage to the wall, and will appear at south east northumberland magistrates court on the 15th of may. well, for the latest stories , sign up to the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code. it's on your screen now or go to gbnews.com/alerts. >> thank you ray. well, hundreds

of you have been getting in touch throughout the show. kwasi gbnews.com/yoursay i want to go through a few of those now. we had a trans debate. of course, the nhs has is banning trans people from women only wars. peter tatchell, the trans campaigner, came on the show and not everybody agreed with him. it's fair to say. not everybody agreed with him. it's fairto say. in not everybody agreed with him. it's fair to say. in fact, graham said this. so peter thinks trans people should get a private room in hospital. why not everybody ? why the not everybody? why the preferential treatment? mark adds this on the same topic. private rooms should be prioritised to those most in need of medical attention. trans people should be treated as equals, but should not get priority over any other tax paying priority over any other tax paying individual . and on the paying individual. and on the topic of, stabbing knife crime, of course, with that, tragic multiple stabbing in north east london today, bill burgess adds this . so another knife attack in this. so another knife attack in london and a family have lost a son. one cannot even begin to think how this family are

suffering. i send them my deepest condolences and layers on the same topic , adds this on the same topic, adds this martin knife crime is totally out of control. it's about time the government elite allowed the police specialist armed units to do the job properly without any come back problem, solve . ed and come back problem, solve. ed and finally mark challinor adds this. we talked about immigration and the fact we simply lost track of 3500 people destined to be deported to rwanda , simply vanished into the rwanda, simply vanished into the aether. what do we do about that 7 aether. what do we do about that ? well, mark says this people have been talking about implementing an australia style immigration system since before i was able to vote, and i'm now 55 years old. it was one of the promises of brexit that has not been implemented , and this is a been implemented, and this is a total national scandal . and total national scandal. and finally, john adds this immigrants are supposed to seek refuge in the first safe country. they arrive in.

therefore 100% arriving in uk on boats from europe, in my eyes, are illegal and so should not be accepted. and that is from john waffle. thank you for those comments. keep them coming in. plenty more to come.

gb news. welcome back to the show. it's 540. i'm martin daubney , and 540. i'm martin daubney, and this is gb news. now, don't we all need a pick me up? a good news story. so thank the king for the king. because today he was back on royal duty for the first time out with queen camilla. he attended the hospital at the university college hospital, hospital at the university college hospital , where he hospital at the university college hospital, where he was given a special honour. and i'm now joined by rafe heydel—mankoo to discuss this rafe. welcome to the show . always a delight. the show. always a delight. isn't it joyous to see the king out and about? back to doing

what he does best, making a pubuc what he does best, making a public appearance and keeping calm and carrying on? >> absolutely, martin, i mean, it's a wonderful to see the king, as you say, out and about and looking so well, surely enough to warm the cockles of all british hearts, and choosing all british hearts, and choosing a specialist cancer centre as his majesty's first public engagement, i thought, was an absolutely brilliant idea, because it allows the king to, you know, both acknowledge the cancer care that he's receiving, but also, once again , to but also, once again, to increase awareness, as he's done all along of the importance of early cancer diagnosis and the need for, you know, for the british public to get themselves checked. >> now, the king attended this in his capacity as patron of macmillan cancer support and also in his brand new role announced today as the new patron of cancer research uk , a patron of cancer research uk, a role previously held by his late mother and, the king entered this macmillan cancer centre at

uc hospital to huge cheers from , uc hospital to huge cheers from, staff and patients alike, when he when the king went inside, he was actually quite concerned and asked one of the staff members if his visit had meant, someone had missed out on their treatment, but was reassured that no one was missing treatment because of his, visit in terms of the king's own health. >> he was said to be full of energy, and he actually chose to climb the stairs rather than use the lift. so that's that's all very encouraging. and he had a very encouraging. and he had a very warm sit down with some of the patients and spoke very warmly to them about, the patients and spoke very warmly to them about , their warmly to them about, their treatment they're receiving. and he was clearly now able to empathise, emphasise with them to , and you know, basically to, and you know, basically relate to what they're going through . through. >> and his reply to one of those patients, rafe, i'm all right. thank you. not too bad is about as british as you will get , as british as you will get, keeping calm and carrying on and also rafe there was a tragic

incident in north—east london today. of course, 14 year old boy was stabbed to death and the king took time to send his thoughts and prayers to those who've been affected by that incident to . incident to. >> yes, that's right. so the king, of course, whenever we get one of these tragic situations, the king also has prince of wales. >> it must be said he also did that, expressing his great concern in which really is a quite appalling and horrific scenario, but in terms of the actual, today as well, he also said that it was quite a shock to have been told that he had cancen to have been told that he had cancer, but as you said, you know, they also actually praised modern treatments today and the fact that you are actually now able to go about your duties quite often these days. so having cancer treatment. and one of the people he was speaking to carries on working at the royal opera house, and the king said it was one of his favourite places on earth to be as it lifted his spirits so much. >> wonderful. thank you so much for joining us, rafe heydel—mankoo forjoining us, rafe heydel—mankoo on a royal return

to duties. now don't go anywhere because after the break i'll be joined by matthew laws and suzanne evans , my panel and suzanne evans, my panel and we'll be discussing with humza yousaf gone, will it be the end of mac woke north of the border? well, i think it might get a whole lot worse. stick around. i'm martin daubney on

gb news. welcome back. it's 547. welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news broadcasting live from the heart of westminster. now we're on the final. final furlong. delighted to say i'm introducing my panel. former labour adviser matthew lhasa and political commentator suzanne evans. boy am i glad to see you pair. thank you so much for stepping in when you're needed. now, the first topic i'd like to talk about at the moment is the fall of humza yousaf. and the big question is, is this a reset? will we see the

end of mac wokester or is it about to get a lot worse? ladies and gents, i'd like to show you and gents, i'd like to show you a video from anas sarwar , who's a video from anas sarwar, who's the labour leader in scotland , the labour leader in scotland, and he might be in the offing to run the country if the snp falls down at the election. let's look at what he said. >> every chief executive of every council and every government department, white, every director of a department in scotland, white, every principal of a college or university in scotland, white. every headteacher in scotland, white. every chair of a public sector body in scotland. white. every high court judge in scotland. white. every prison governor in scotland. white. every editor of a news organisation in scotland. white >> and the van that will go to humza yousafs to office remove his stuff. white i digress gents, this is the guy who might

be running the country. if anybody was hoping that this might be the end of the woke politics north of the border, let's start with you, matthew. we might be in for more of the same. >> well, i mean , you call it >> well, i mean, you call it woke politics. >> i think it's a perfectly reasonable point to make. i see, because anas looks somewhat younger there than he is now that that clip is a wee bit old, as they would say at north of the border. >> but it's a good find, to be fair to you, look, i mean, it's absolutely right that you need to have diversity in scotland. >> scotland is a multicultural country, and so i hope that people of colour take those positions. but i know that scotland, if anas if we have the election in holyrood that we need just we need an election at westminster. if anas has become first minister, i know that he will be really focusing on the things the snp have completely messed up, which is scotland's schools, scotland's hospitals and those ferries that are still not are still not taken to the seas, you know, so it's those core bread and butter issues that will be the focus of scottish labour's campaign. and that's why anas leader has turned scottish labour's fortunes around. but isn't that the point? suzanne evans people in scotland actually want to

return to bread and butter politics. the perilous state of schools, crime, drug addiction, the nhs and instead, somehow something happened to scotland and it went down a rabbit hole of identity politics. absolutely did. >> it certainly became the woke capital of great britain. there's no doubt about that. now. will the snp learn from their mistakes? remains to be seen. i have to say he's not the front runner for the campaign. the front runner is john swinney. he's a former deputy leader, he's a heavyweight. he's been a member of the snp since he was 15 years old. he was one of the very first members of the scottish national, the scottish assembly. so he's really the front runner and i think he's seen as a more safe pair of hands. but it'll be a test, won't it, of just how far, as you say, down the woke rabbit hole they have gone. will there be a sea change? and of course, a lot depends on how he wants to. how the new leader wants to run a government. they are so heavily reliant they can't run a minority administration. they've got to be reliant on particularly the green party as

the snp was their woker than woke. so woke. they even want to basically stop drilling for oil and gas in the north sea, basically undermining scotland's very economy. so let's see what happens if there is a leadership contest as opposed to a coronation. the new leader's got to get the candidates have got to get the candidates have got to get the candidates have got to get 100 nominations from at least 20 local party branches. let's see if that can happen . if let's see if that can happen. if one candidate can't get that, then there will be a coronation and that could well be john swinney. in fact, that's what my money is on. >> okay, matthew and suzanne, could i lead you on to our second story of choice? we had a debate earlier with peter tatchell and maya forstater about the nhs , finally, some about the nhs, finally, some might see seeing sense and declaring biological sex is a reality when wasn't it? and also saying the end to mix war so trans people no longer to be allowed onto women only walls to protect their safety? matthew, is this a step of common sense

or is it bringing the culture wars to the nhs? i think it's bringing the culture wars to the nhs. >> i think hospitals should be left to manage things in a sensible way themselves. >> i mean, this all comes because the nhs constitution has the right in it for patients to be treated in single sex wards, which i think is absolutely right. >> this remember, it was a big issue, that led to people campaigning for this. >> so this is of course, what's happening is the government doesn't want you to know is that 44,000 people, which is a 20 times more than a decade ago, were unable to be treated in a single sex ward that they wanted last year. >> so we're talking about a handful of trans people and 44,000 people who are being treated, either women in men's wards or men in women's wards when they want to be in single sex wards. >> so that's what really worries me that the government are using this culture war to try and disguise the fact that they're really failing people in terms of giving people the rights to be treated in the environment they want. so i think sort of, you know, making it all about a

handful of trans people and remember, this is the people. it should only be people who have legally transitioned and have got a gender recognition certificate who would ever be treated in those wards. >> and frankly, the government can say what it likes, but it's not just, you know, but those. i think it's a disgrace that we still have those mixed sex wards in our hospitals. >> i just i in our hospitals. >> ijust i have in our hospitals. >> i just i have to >> ijust i have to fundamentally disagree with matthew on this. this is not about culture wars. this is about culture wars. this is about basic biology. it's also about basic biology. it's also about women's safety. there were 45,000 incidents of sexual violence or abuse in the nhs between 2017 and 2022. now, of course, they're not all committed by trans people, but when you have got men identifying as women going into hospitals pretending to be women, that is an additional risk factor here. and this is basically common sense . what basically common sense. what i find astonishing about this is that it find astonishing about this is thatitis find astonishing about this is that it is doctors we've been talking about here who've been opposing this people who absolutely know that there are only two basic sex is. and anyone who says otherwise is. frankly, it's quite astonishing that doctors have been pushing this line. >> i mean, i agree with you, suzanne , that it shouldn't be

suzanne, that it shouldn't be people who've just self—identify and thankfully, i think all the parties at westminster united against self—identification now. but it should be people who've gone through the process. >> you know, you said you said that's what it's only people who have a gender thing and it's not, you know, baroness nicholson said, we know there's a man, matthew, suzanne, you can carry on this one. >> you can carry on this ding dong after the show. i'm afraid we have to cut you off right there. but thank you so much for joining us. an excellent end to the show. so thank you for joining me on the show today. we got through it and now is dewbs& co coming up next. but first time for your weather forecast. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> afternoon. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news. more of the same for the rest of today. it's been a fine day so far across much of the east, and we'll hang on to some sunny spells here, but further west a lot of cloud. further outbreaks of rain, particularly for wales, parts of southwest england that

rain extending into the west midlands at times into southwest scotland. also staying a bit dner scotland. also staying a bit drier through the evening and overnight across northern ireland and in the east. after a fine day overnight light possibility of some showers getting into east anglia and lincolnshire for many temperatures holding up 7 to 10 c. so a fairly mild night and a mild ish start to wednesday. quite a cloudy start and a very different day to come tomorrow over northeast england and eastern scotland. a much duller day and there will be some rain at times , particularly in the at times, particularly in the afternoon across the far north—east, but a much brighter day for wales and southwest england. some decent spells of sunshine here and some fine weather in western scotland 18 degrees here. further south we could get up to 18 or 19, but late in the day. look at this. the potential for some heavy rain, even some big thunderstorms working up from the south, particularly on wednesday night. early hours of thursday morning could get woken up thursday morning could get woken ”p by thursday morning could get woken up by a rumble of thunder or a flash of lightning . those flash of lightning. those thunderstorms easing off a little bit, but more showers in the south on thursday. elsewhere

again, generally a fine day , a again, generally a fine day, a cool breeze developing on those nonh cool breeze developing on those north sea coasts , but in western north sea coasts, but in western scotland a pretty warm one. temperatures could get over 20 celsius on thursday afternoon. that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sperm . boxt boilers sperm. >> hours of weather on

also today, george galloway announced that his party will be fully contesting all the seats in the next general election. he says that he's going to do to the labour party what the reform party will do to the tories,

will he or not? and brace yourself, very, very important announcement. are you sitting down composed? the nhs is set to declare ready that sex is biological . how on earth have we biological. how on earth have we ended up in this absolutely ridiculous situation? that is all to come and more not least, including the fact that many migrants apparently earmarked to go to rwanda have gone missing . go to rwanda have gone missing. goodness me. let's first, though, get stuck into the 6:00 news. >> good evening. i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom . our top in the gb newsroom. our top stories this hour and video has emerged showing the moment that police arrested a man wielding a sword in north—east london. officers cornered him at a property, bringing the suspect to the ground with three separate taser discharges. he's

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