. a .a man, the footage was shocking. a man, the footage was shocking. a man, the suspect carrying what looked like a samurai style sword, a huge machete type weapon around what appears to be quite a quiet residence . local area, shocking residence. local area, shocking scenes. there you go. you can see a man in a yellow hoodie, prowling the streets. we know also that a car was driven into also that a car was driven into a house. >> as reported, there were reports that he was knocking on doors awaiting for people to open up and then attack, although that is as yet unconfirmed. we're expecting this police conference in the next few moments where hopefully we'll get some confirmation of many of those rumours that have been swirling around , not been swirling around, not perhaps a motive, but at least a detail on the condition of some of those people who have, sadly had to go to hospital, particularly the police officers who intervened in this incident were very anxious to hear of their condition. yes. >> how they are indeed. now lots of our politicians have been

quick to react to this shocking news. rishi sunak says this is a shocking incident. his thoughts are with those affected , their are with those affected, their families. he goes on to say, i'd like to thank the emergency services for their ongoing response. pay tribute to the extraordinary bravery shown by the police on the scene. such violence has no place on our streets. we've also heard from the local mp wes streeting , the local mp wes streeting, who's also expressed his concern. >> yes, wes streeting says a critical incident has been declared in hainault. there are station and road closures in place. the police, ambulance service and fire brigade are responding. one male has been detained . i would urge people detained. i would urge people not to speculate until details are confirmed or post footage on social media. well, replying to that or really emphasising that on twitter , keir starmer, the on twitter, keir starmer, the leader of the opposition, has said awful news coming from hainault. our thoughts are with the victims. thank full for the first responders on the scene and the mayor of london, we should say sadiq khan . should say sadiq khan. >> he says he's absolutely devastated by the news from

hainault this morning. he says he remains in constant contact with the commission. he goes on to reiterate what we know that a man has been arrested, the area is secured, he says the police are not looking for anyone else in connection with this incident. so it'll be very interesting to hear if there's been any update on that from the police. when we hear, in just a few moments, certainly it does seem that many people are across it. >> the home secretary, james cleverly, has said that he is in contact with the police and the local mp, who also happens to be the shadow health secretary. wes streeting, has said he's in contact with the met police, the mayor of london and redbridge council, two two, so we are expecting that press conference, as we say, it was due to start at midday, but it's clearly running a little bit late, we can go to our gb news home and security editor mark white, as we wait for this press conference, mark, what do you expect might be said by the police in just a few moments?

time >> well, clearly, upper most in the concern of most people is the concern of most people is the condition of those injured who were taken to hospital. five people treated by paramedics at the scene, all five taken to hospital , clearly, people that hospital, clearly, people that were attacked by the samurai sword we saw in the video there that huge weapon being carried by who we believe to be the suspect wearing that yellow top in the minutes before he was arrested. i have an update, actually, on this statement. we're told that it has been delayed. may have been delayed by ”p delayed. may have been delayed by up to 30 minutes. we're expecting to hear from chief superintendent stuart bell, who is the borough commander, the local area commander in that area around hainault. so he is going to give us that update. it may be that he's receiving more in the way of information and

updates on the conditions of those who have been injured, but whatever the reason behind it, that statement that was due at the top of 12:00 has now been just pushed back a little bit towards 12:30, but clearly lots of people very concerned about this incident that unfolded just before 7:00 this morning, with the metropolitan police confirming that it was a999 call, that they responded to reports of a vehicle having been dnven reports of a vehicle having been driven into a house in this area not far from , hainault tube not far from, hainault tube station. indeed, there are images that show what appears to be a black, people carrier with significant damage to the front of that vehicle. whether that was the vehicle that was driven at the houses , we don't know, at the houses, we don't know, but it is, logical, perhaps , to but it is, logical, perhaps, to conclude that given that it's taped off around the scene there, and in the minutes after

police arrived to reports as well, that people had been stabbed at the scene, the police said that the alleged attacker had gone to on injure or stab other people, other members of the public in that area. and of course, we know that two police officers who pushed forward, who attempted to arrest this man were injured as well. so, see, were injured as well. so, see, we don't know. at this stage, the extent of the injuries of those officers or indeed the three members of the public, but that hopefully from chief superintendent stuart bell, may be forthcoming when he gives this news conference, in about, 20 odd minutes from now. >> and mark, i'm just reading here, that knife crime has increased by 20% in london in the year to december. we had 14,626 recorded offences last year , is it fair to say knife

year, is it fair to say knife crime is out of control in our capital.7 well >> well, certainly. knife related offences in terms of injuries, including , homicides, injuries, including, homicides, have in increased homicides amongst young people in particular. knife crime is up, but not just in london. it is a significant problem , in urban significant problem, in urban population centres right across the uk, it has become routine and habit for a lot of young people to carry these bladed weapons. and if you ask them why, they tell you often that it's for protection. but the dangeris it's for protection. but the danger is in carrying a weapon, you get into an argument and people will pull out that weapon. it injures people and then, of course, other people armed with weapons are fighting them back. it is, you know, a very dangerous tactic to take a

weapon and think that you're protecting yourself. it can actually exacerbate the situation , of course, and there situation, of course, and there is another issue, which isn't just the carrying of weapons, but the carrying of these very large, often ceremonial weapons as, samurai swords would be included in this as this suspect appeared to have been carrying, also zombie knives and machetes, they're easily purchased still to this day on the internet , to this day on the internet, people collecting them, buying them and seeing they're collector's items. this government, successive ministers , have tried to push through legislation to tighten that that particular loophole. they are, they say, doing that to ensure that these very dangerous weapons are outlawed or, made virtually, as they hope, impossible for people to get a hold of, certainly over the internet. but as you can

imagine, a large samurai sword, a machete and a like can do so much more damage than these knives that people will often just take from the kitchen drawer, which are deadly enough. >> well, mark, thank you very much for bringing us the very latest there. we're hearing that this press conference has now been brought forward by ten minutes. so 1220 is when we're expecting this press conference. so in just over ten minutes time. but joining us now is the former police officer norman brennan. and norman one of the most striking elements of this story today is those two police officers who were injured, who intervened, who ran towards danger instead of away from it. their heroism is clearly at the centre of this story today . centre of this story today. >> you're absolutely i mean, i think the first thing to say is that all our thoughts foremost must be with the five injured people. >> we're going to give an update in a few minutes time as to the extent of their injuries. and

you're absolutely right, two of my own police family, i was a police officer for 31 years, and i'm probably britain's leading law and order campaigner on knife crime , but i've been knife crime, but i've been talking about this for 35 years, so many families have lost their lives, mothers are planning funerals instead of futures. and getting back to your point, you're absolutely right. it's police officers, predominantly unarmed police officers that will, be turning up, first of all, to these incidents. although it depends on what type of call the police receive. norman, just on that, just on that point, is there an argument considering shocking scenes like this for more police officers to be armed .7 well, i'm an advocate be armed? well, i'm an advocate of, fully arming of the british police service, something i've spoken about for 30 years, i don't know whether today's the right day to be discussing that, but we really need to find out the extent of the injuries and

the extent of the injuries and the full circumstances . but, the full circumstances. but, yes, the streets of london and the streets of britain, in my 45, 46 years of policing and law and order have never been so dangerous. knife crime is an epidemic stage. i've never seen so many stabbings. i've never seen so many murders. i've never seen so many murders. i've never seen so many children use carrying knives. and yes , they carrying knives. and yes, they carrying knives. and yes, they carry them for self—defence. they also carry them to commit crime. neither are acceptable . crime. neither are acceptable. and we are seeing the devastation of those that carry knives . and again, we've heard knives. and again, we've heard about machetes. look, we deal with too much froth banning machetes. there you can buy a machete, you can go to a hunting shop, you can buy them online. you can stop people buying them. but let's get back to the crux of the matter. if we had a five year mandate, prison sentence implied on our criminal justice system, i promise you this. and i've said it for 30 years, it will dramatically reduce those

that carry, knife and carry and commit knife crime murders these parents. how many more parents are we going to have to tell? i'm sorry your child won't be coming home today. >> we were just reporting yesterday on this show, two men trapped inside a shop in birmingham , the shopkeeper, birmingham, the shopkeeper, thankfully, had escaped and was barricaded them inside the shop. they were wielding machetes . the they were wielding machetes. the knives are not only dangerous, a kitchen knife is dangerous enough, let alone these huge, huge , vicious looking weapons. huge, vicious looking weapons. >> i saw the incident myself. i see them day in and day out. shopkeepers across britain, god bless them, they do their best to, give their community a service . and sadly, there are service. and sadly, there are some within those communities and outside the communities that think it's okay to come along with a knife or machete and rob them and sometimes maim or kill them and sometimes maim or kill them , as i say, i, i've actually

them, as i say, i, i've actually been trying to tell britain for 35 years, 15 of them, when i was a serving police officer, that the streets of britain are going to become unsafe, that the pubuc to become unsafe, that the public will fear walking the streets . they will fear streets. they will fear travelling on transport and they will time when and where they go out. many people now won't even go into london. london is lawless. i'm not saying every single street is lawless, but london is deemed as lawless because people carry knives, they carry machetes, they rob and attack people, they rob rolex watches. so people now don't travel to london and wear their watches that many have worked hard for. i have never seen the criminal justice system in britain in such chaos , and in britain in such chaos, and there isn't a particular offence. be it stalking, robbery, burglary , you name the robbery, burglary, you name the crime that is not out of control. and when we look to our criminal justice system, to

protect them, the public don't see the police. the criminal justice system don't protect the police and the public and victims by giving deterrent sentences. and i'm afraid we see scenes like this today that most people just think , oh, i've just people just think, oh, i've just got to accept it because i don't believe anything will change. well, when you've got an attitude like that and a criminal justice system that fails us all, we're basically on the brink of anarchy. >> there's also a crisis in the metropolitan police. it's the only police force in england that has failed to meet recruitment targets. it's also a police force where we've seen armed officers actually choosing to give up their weapons, give back their weapons. fewer armed officers now than we had before, because those who do carry weapons are dragged through the mill even when they use them appropriately. for many, it's just not worth the risk. >> you're absolutely right . i >> you're absolutely right. i speak to serving officers every day, out of the recent 20,000 police officers that were

rerecruited from the 22,000 officers that were taken away under theresa may and david cameron, almost 5000 have resigned. officers are telling me now that they do not want to carry out, stop and search for. the simple reason is they won't be backed by their bosses. they won't be backed by the courts and they are thrown under the wheels of a bus. because if they get a controversial complaint and by golly, i've stopped people with knives. it never looks nice . i've carried out looks nice. i've carried out stop and searches. there's sometimes loud , they're sometimes loud, they're sometimes loud, they're sometimes quite violent, but it's a job that the police do. so nobody wants to join the police anymore . the police police anymore. the police service have become the aunt sally's of society. and getting back to the original point that you were saying is that two of my family, two police officers , my family, two police officers, are injured. they may well be seriously injured. and what is it they did? they were men and women that got up today , put on women that got up today, put on their uniform. and they know the flak that they get. they know the abuse and the insults. they get the threats that they get .

get the threats that they get. they still got in their cars and they still rush to the scene. and why did they do that? because they stand between good and bad, right and wrong. and sadly, some of them pay the ultimate price for trying to protect society. >> and it is it is terribly sad. and as you say, we await to hear their condition , but, norman, their condition, but, norman, talk us through how as a police officer, you confront a man who is armed with a knife like the one we've seen in the footage circulating there, a man wielding. you rock up . it's your wielding. you rock up. it's your job. every day you're called to a scene. you see a man wandering the streets, lurking, prowling the streets, lurking, prowling the streets, lurking, prowling the streets with a weapon like that. how do you confront when you're not armed yourself? >> well, i'll give you a brief scenario. when i was a serbian police officer, it was the early hours of the morning . i was hours of the morning. i was unarmed, i just had a baton, cs spray . i unarmed, i just had a baton, cs spray. i didn't even have a stab vest and a burglar. an armed burglar had burgled three houses in chelsea and had anybody disturbed him. there's a

likelihood they would have been murdered because you don't carry a knife to commit a crime if you are not prepared to use it. well, along with some other colleagues, we were pursuing the suv- colleagues, we were pursuing the guy. it was dark. it was in the early hours. i was a very fast runner in those days. i was in my area car. i joined in the chase.i my area car. i joined in the chase. i overtook the suspect, i didn't know he was armed, although he just carried out three armed burglaries. and in the darkness as i tried to arrest him, he pulled out a blade that went deep into my chest. wow. and the devastation that it causes is huge. people think that the police officers are these brutes that stop black people, that they got nothing better to do than nick motorists . but do you know what? we've got nothing really better to do than try and protect the public. and some of us never leave the police service without being injured in body, mind or spirit. i still carry those scars . till i still carry those scars. till today i don't even look at my chest . chest. >> normally it's an incredibly

powerful story. you you share with us there and all i can really say is thank you for your service. thank you for what you have done to keep people in this country safe . norman bremen, country safe. norman bremen, there a former police officer. we're going to return now to mark white, our home and security editor, who has an update on the crime figures that we've been talking about in london. because, mark, many politicians have been saying in london it is simply the worst in the country. crime, knife crime, specifically up in london, but down elsewhere in england . down elsewhere in england. >> yeah, there's no doubt about that. >> yeah, there's no doubt about that . if you look at knife crime that. if you look at knife crime across the country last year, the latest figures available , the latest figures available, they show that there were 49, almost 49,000 knife related offences , up from 46,000 the offences, up from 46,000 the year before . so it's a 5% rise. year before. so it's a 5% rise. however that number would have shown a slight drop nationally.

but for the london figures, which are up 22, and indeed the home secretary , james cleverly, home secretary, james cleverly, wrote to the london mayor, sadiq khan , and said it was a surge in khan, and said it was a surge in london knife crime that had resulted in knife crime figures nationally showing a rise instead of a slight drop . you instead of a slight drop. you can imagine that mayor sadiq khan's office responded pretty badly to that intervention by james cleverly, but it's, you know , true that there is a very know, true that there is a very significant knife crime problem in london, in particular, many boroughs in london, where it is just commonplace for young, large numbers of young people to think that it is the done thing to carry a deadly weapon about for them, for protection, for means of coercing or whatever the reason. but large groups of young people in many london boroughs do this as routine.

>> mark, that is extraordinary . >> mark, that is extraordinary. that knife crime would be down across the country if it were not for london, which has seen a 22% rise. >> and james cleverly hammered home that point to sadiq khan. a bit of politicking there. i have no doubt . twisting the knife, if no doubt. twisting the knife, if you like, on sadiq khan, but clearly there is truth behind that statistic. a 22% rise in in knife crime in london did have that overall effect on the 49,000 knife crime , related 49,000 knife crime, related incidents that were reported right across the country. if you took the metropolitan police figures out of those national statistics, they would have shown a reduction, a slight reduction, but a reduction in knife crime rather than an increase. >> and, mark, let's be frank, sadiq khan doesn't like being asked about his record on knife crime, does he? previously, when

he's been asked about this and his tactics have been called into question , and whether he into question, and whether he actually cares about this issue enough, he appears to deflect. and we've got many families of victims of knife crime who have come out to say that he's lost control of the capital's streets. i'm reading here one article many families coming out to complain that this isn't the focus of our london mayor >> well, listen, sadiq khan and his supporters would absolutely say that he is very, very concerned about knife crime and the need to reduce knife crime in the capital. however, people point to what they see as a contradiction from the london mayor, who appears very often to be willing to jump on to the police at times of controversy over issues like stop and search, which he feels targets certain sectors of the community in london adversely compared to

others, and people see an inconsistency there. if you are truly, determined to try to reduce knife crime, then perhaps you would be fully supportive of the need to go after and stop the need to go after and stop the demographic who are in london at least most likely to carry knives and let's not beat about the bush. they are young black men, more likely to carry knives than any other demographic in london. and yet, given the population size of the black community in london and yet mark in this incident , a yet mark in this incident, a white man, in a young white man was carrying a very unusual weapon , a samurai sword. weapon, a samurai sword. >> we know that there's been a vehicle involved in this as well. a car or a van crashing into a house. this this incident we're talking about today looks incredibly atypical, and i just

wonder if any stop and search could have possibly prevented this . this. >> yeah, well, certainly this was a light skinned individual. i don't know what his nationality or race is in that sense, but of course, white people , asian people, black people, asian people, black people, asian people, black people, they all commit crime . people, they all commit crime. but in terms of the demographics of london, if you look at knife crime across the hot spots , the crime across the hot spots, the london boroughs where it's most prevalent, then the majority of the offenders and indeed those who are being offended against the victims are they tend to be black people. it's a very difficult situation, and, and a topic for people to get into and topic for people to get into and to talk about because there are those who are more than willing to jump on them and accuse them of singling out certain communities and effectively being racist. but it is a problem that if you speak to

those in law enforcement, they have been dealing with for many years, a propensity among young black men to carry weapons . it black men to carry weapons. it seems to be, for a variety of reasons, more of an issue affecting these young teenage, often, black men than it is perhaps people in the white community or even asian. although, as i say, all communities are involved in knife crime, around london, of coui'se. >> course. >> and just to remind our viewers and listeners that we are due to receive an update from the metropolitan police , from the metropolitan police, we're just looking at live pictures from close to the scene of the crime in north—east london. two police officers there. but we await the press statement. mark, what are they likely to tell us? i understand that there won't be any questions from the press . questions from the press. >> no, it, the in the early hours after an incident like this, they tend to deliver a statement, give you the latest of what they know. now, it might

be that we just get , of what they know. now, it might be that we just get, in human form. the statement that we already have had from the metropolitan police. but given that a few hours have passed now since the last of the injured were taken to hospital, hopefully there is some kind of update on the condition of some of those individuals. update on the condition of some of those individuals . we know of those individuals. we know that it's three members of the pubuc that it's three members of the public and two police officers who were injured . we don't know who were injured. we don't know the extent of the injuries or indeed how the injuries were inflicted. we know the suspect was carrying what appeared to be a samurai sword , but whether all a samurai sword, but whether all of the injuries occurred as a result of that samurai sword or as a result of some other process during the arrest of this , 36 year old man, we don't this, 36 year old man, we don't know. hopefully, chief superintendent stuart bell, who will be giving this statement , will be giving this statement, will be giving this statement, will make that point clear. and he will, of course, be reiterating to the public that they do not see there being any

wider threat here, that they have, arrested their main suspect . they're not looking for suspect. they're not looking for anyone else in connection with this series of injuries and stabbings that took place this morning. >> it is the most extraordinary scene. and, something that, i suppose. no one expected to wake up to . a reminder that the area up to. a reminder that the area has been closed. the tube station has been closed. the man reported going door to door, perhaps knocking on at least one doon perhaps knocking on at least one door, attacking members of the pubuc door, attacking members of the public and indeed two police officers, five individuals, have gone to hospital . but, mark, as gone to hospital. but, mark, as you're saying, we could expect updates on the on the status of those individuals who have been hospitalised . hospitalised. >> well, indeed. yes. i mean, some of the video we saw, the one individual l, was on the ground, appeared to be

motionless as members of the emergency services were trying to reach this person, the suspect still in view, hiding, crouching down in a doorway. now, there's other video that has emerged that shows the police searching for this suspect. they appear to be in an area of garages and lock ups to the rear of these, houses in the area where this incident happened.then area where this incident happened. then the suspect is seen on the roof of some of these garages. the police shouting at this suspect to come down and then screaming at residents, telling them to lock their doors because they see in their doors because they see in the video , quite audibly, that the video, quite audibly, that this suspect is getting into gardens and trying to get into to houses. so really dramatic video and shows, just what, you know , a chaotic and dangerous know, a chaotic and dangerous scene it was for those police officers who pushed forward to try to deal with this man. after

these members of the public had been injured. this suspect, as i say, carrying what looked like a long bladed weapon, a samurai sword type weapon, and police officers even though they might be armed with a taser. and we believe that a taser was deployed. we don't know if the first officers on scene had tasers and even with a taser, it's not 100% effective. there are occasions where the barbs miss fire do not connect with clothing properly. a connections are not made, and that stun gun doesn't operate , properly. so it doesn't operate, properly. so it doesn't operate, properly. so it doesn't work 100% of the time, but it's far better than having, effectively only pepper spray and a baton when you're coming up against someone with a long bladed weapon like a samurai sword. >> yes. this whole incident is a, a very stark reminder of just how dangerous it is to be a police officer. not least when

you're unarmed. >> yeah, i mean, the police, of course, come under criticism, quite often in the media when there are often these videos, for instance, that , circulate for instance, that, circulate around that show an incident, show the arrest of an individual, and you get a 2030 second clip of the most violent moment of that arrest when the police are wrestling with someone on the ground. and what you often don't see are, you know, is the 15 or 20 minutes that the police are trying to reason with an individual, to try to get them to comply before things, then often at no fault of the police, head south and turn quite violent, and so and we know , the police for that and we know, the police for that and a variety of other issues, over recent months and years have been criticised. but we should never forget the job that they do, which is regularly put

themselves in the line of fire into danger, rushing forward when, quite rightly, you or i, other members of the public, would be rushing in the opposite direction to get out of the way of that danger, it is , you know, of that danger, it is, you know, what you might say, they are paid for, but actually they're not paid to come up against someone carrying a lethal weapon when they don't have that lethal force themselves. they do have back up in the forms of armed response vehicles, but they are not everywhere. we do not have a routinely armed police force in this country. so armed response vehicle patrols could be some minutes off. and in some of the outlying parts of london, like this area in hainault, they could be 10 or 15 minutes away. we just don't know where the nearest armed response vehicle would be. so it would be other frontline officers who carry taser , who would be asked to taser, who would be asked to push forward and try to deal with an individual with a deadly

weapon. clearly intent on causing as much harm as possible i >> -- >> mark, it does look like there has been some movement, there , has been some movement, there, where where the press conference is due to start, so i'm just keeping half an eye on that . but keeping half an eye on that. but while we while we wait, because it does look like some microphones are being moved, some individuals were walking towards the camera . i believe we towards the camera. i believe we might be due to start any moment now, but but, mark, this is quite a significant moment. the first official full moment, really, that the police will have to, in person, set out what precisely has happened . precisely has happened. >> yes. and feel free to just shout and tell me to shut up as soon as you see him. but yes, a big part of what stuart bell, the chief superintendent, will be doing is reassurance to , be doing is reassurance to, quite understandably, very worried members of the public in that area. so that reassurance will come in the form of a confirmation that their prime suspect is in custody and that

they're not looking for anyone else in connection with this incident, and also that they are not treating this at the moment, at least as a terrorist related incident. so some reassure messages there. and of course, the other information that everybody wants to know is just how seriously injured those individuals. and the hope is that those people who were injured and stabbed or lightly wounded, but we won't know that, perhaps not in this press statement. it might be some time before we get the full word back from the doctors at the. and i would imagine it would be more than one trauma centre that the five individuals have been taken to . to. >> yeah. and as we wait for this update, which should be coming imminently , it does look like imminently, it does look like there's movement. as tom said, it does look like the microphones are out. so it should be beginning soon. but can you recap a little for us just what eyewitness accounts

that you've heard that you've read and what exactly that shocking social media footage showed us? >> well, it was just before 7 am, when the police received what they call a treble nine call, an emergency call from members of the public reporting that a vehicle had smashed into a house on an estate just along the road from hainault tube station in east london. hainault, of course, served by the central line. that station remains closed. bus services suspended and roads blocked off in the area that report from members of the public said not only that, the vehicle had collided with the house, but that people had been stabbed at that people had been stabbed at that location. the metropolitan police said when they arrived on scene, it became clear to them that the suspect had gone on to stab other members of the public and then of course, the police intervened to try to apprehend

this person. there's other social media video that we were alluding to there that shows the man, crouching and not responding to calls from members of the police to drop his weapon and to give himself up, crouching by the front doors of a number of properties . then he a number of properties. then he appears to disappear, behind into a garage and lock up complex. he's seen on the roof of one of these garages . again, of one of these garages. again, the police shouting at him to come forward , to give himself up come forward, to give himself up and to come down. he doesn't comply again. and then the police. and you can hear the desperation actually in their voices as they're screaming to residents who understandably, at that time in the morning, they were hearing the commotion there coming out of their back doors and into their gardens to see what's going, going, going on. and the police are screaming at them, get back inside, lock your doors. because this man was going apparently into gardens,

trying doors to get into properties . properties. >> it really is chilling to hear that description and to see some of those videos, because it would suggest that this is not a targeted attack . the fact that targeted attack. the fact that multiple properties seemed to be in the in the line of this, of this attack , it would suggest this attack, it would suggest that this is perhaps more of a random spate of violence, which which could be all the more concerning. >> yeah, it could be a combination of the two, though , combination of the two, though, tom, because sometimes what happens is an attack does begin as a targeted attack , with an as a targeted attack, with an individual or area in mind. and then that person caught up in, in sort of blood rage comes across other individuals who are then targeted. but perhaps were never part of the original plan. and, of course, members of the

emergency services , the police emergency services, the police trying to stop this individual then, of course, often become targets themselves as appears to have happened in this stage with those two police officers on some of the video calls, the video of the suspect, with that samurai sword, you see a paramedic van that's there as well, and it's got it's reversing light on. so obviously, it's just pulled up at the scene . it's seen this man at the scene. it's seen this man with the samurai sword. there's no way they can get to a casualty. who is on the ground not far from where the suspect is . he's not far from where the suspect is. he's still got that samurai sword in hand . and that sword in hand. and that ambulance paramedic vehicle quite under standardly, has put the reverse lights on and is trying to back off out of the immediate way of harm, the opposite of that is happening with the police that are in the video as they're trying to , to, video as they're trying to, to, reason with this individual. get

him to drop the sword and then are seeing, chasing this man as he disappears down the side of one of the properties, another police vehicle arrives and they're, trying to run down the street after him. so, really dramatic and dangerous situation, that the police were faced with. and i think, you know, it's telling that we've had statements. what, from the prime minister, the home secretary, the opposition leader, sir keir starmer, the london mayor, the local mp wes streeting , all of them, not only streeting, all of them, not only praising the wider response of the emergency services, but specifically singling out those officers who pushed forward to deal with this man, to bring him to ground and to cuff him and end what was clearly a very dangerous episode unfolding on these streets in east london.

>> mark, i'm seeing some reports now that witnesses are suggesting the attacker shouted these words. do you believe in god? there are reports that the attacker was shouting in english. do you believe in god? as the attacker attacked the police, i mean, this is this is quite an unusual thing to hear. >> yes. and but of course, you know, we will often get attackers, if this is an islamist related, attack that we, we are reporting on or investigating who are shouting allahu akbar, which effectively, you know , is god is great. so you know, is god is great. so religious words are sometimes shouted by those involved in attacks for whatever reason. all i would say with regard to that is just add the caveat in that

the police were very quick to say that they are not attaching a terrorist motive to this incident at this stage . now, incident at this stage. now, more might become clear in the fullness of time as they speak, if they are able to speak to this person, depending on the condition they're in the mental state and mental capacity of this individual, it will hopefully become clear to them fairly quickly. of course, if they can't for whatever reason, get anything in the way of information from the suspect, either deliberately because the suspect isn't speaking or is in perhaps no fit state to speak. there's still more they can do , there's still more they can do, because we're into the more, from that initial response, the emergency response to deal with detain the suspect and of course, get the injured to the hospital. you then enter what is the slower time, more protracted

long form investigation, which will involve delving into the background of this individual . background of this individual. and he may be known to the police already in which, you know, there would be dna evidence or fingerprints that might point them to this person. most people carry a mobile phone or a wallet that gives an indication as to who they are . indication as to who they are. so once they know who the person is, then they can do the other inquiries back at the person's home address . speaking to home address. speaking to friends and relatives, getting an indication of who he is, what his potential motivation was . his potential motivation was. but that doesn't come immediately. it can take, a matter of hours or more before the officers can get a fully clear picture of what has unfolded here. >> yes, as we so often see, suspects are often known by the authorities, whether it is by the police , whether it is by the police, whether it is by social services or other , social services or other, agencies of the government, we've seen that, sadly, very sadly, two police officers have

been injured. we await to hear this police statement as to any update on their condition, but the question we were speaking to norman brennan earlier, former police officer , and he said he police officer, and he said he suggested that perhaps more police officers should be armed when they're faced with knife wielding assailants. they can be very vulnerable, do you know, do you have an idea of what proportion of police are armed in the metropolitan police? i know there's been quite a lot of officers. as tom said earlier , officers. as tom said earlier, who, don't want to have arms. >> yeah. i mean, it's a subject of , intense debate, >> yeah. i mean, it's a subject of, intense debate, i have to say. so you've had the police federation, the metropolitan police federation, effectively , police federation, effectively, the trade union body representing the police on have unions as such, but it is their representative body now. they have been arguing for some time that those police officers that want to carry taser should be

allowed to do that. they've never advocated that. all police should be fully armed with firearms , the vast majority of firearms, the vast majority of police would not want to do that. it's kept as a specialist division of policing in the uk. we do not routinely arm all police officers, the police, by pubuc police officers, the police, by public consent. police officers, the police, by public consent . the public, police officers, the police, by public consent. the public, as far as we know, do not want a routinely armed police force. but the issue of taser deployment is one where many police officers would actually like the option of being armed with tasers , because what you with tasers, because what you have, in the metropolitan police and other forces is a decision to deploy response officers with at least one of those response officers would be armed with a taser. so say you get, a response car with two police officers at least one of them would carry a taser. and the carriers, the vans that maybe carry half a dozen officers that

will also respond to incidents. you may find it a couple of them are armed with tasers, but what's not happening is every officer is armed with tasers . so officer is armed with tasers. so then you often will find a situation. and this happens very regularly day in, day out, is that the officers who are deaung that the officers who are dealing often with a very violent suspect act are the officers who are not carrying tasers because they make up the majority of officers within the metropolitan police and other forces. so they are dealing with them. and the only recourse to self—protection, they have is an asp, an extendable metal metal baton, they have pepper spray and that is really it. they have their handcuffs to be able to, you know, bind them, to subdue them if they can get them, in that prone position that they're able to, to do that. so, those officers are often first on the scene, are not armed with a taser, are quite quickly on the

scene, usually are other response officers who are armed with taser. but that could still be minutes away and minutes in a situation where you are facing a dangerous , highly volatile dangerous, highly volatile individual armed with a lethal weapon, those, minute s can mean the really, the difference between, being able to safely apprehend someone or being very seriously injured or worse, yourself . yourself. >> and it is extraordinary, really, that the metropolitan police in particular, compared to the police forces in many other major metropolises around the world, they are particularly underarmed compared to those other countries and those other cities . but, mark, we should cities. but, mark, we should stress right now that we are waiting for this press conference. it was originally due at 12:00. it was then due at 20 past, then half past. well, we're now at 12:45. why do you

think this press conference may have been so delayed? could it be that the police are getting new information on those in hospital, potentially, or from this assailant ? this assailant? >> well, it's probably more to do with the fact that stuart bell, chief superintendent, is an operational commander. he's in charge of that area around hainault. so he is neck deep in this investigation . and, of this investigation. and, of course, the metropolitan police realise that getting the word out to the public is important. but of course this officer has to prioritise. so yes , he might to prioritise. so yes, he might be getting updates on the likes of the condition of individuals in hospital, but more likely is that he's just dealing with the real time , day to day, minute by real time, day to day, minute by minute issues that surround a very, live investigation that still evolving as we speak, even though we've got a suspect in

custody. there are people in that area that are being interviewed there is a suspect, hopefully, and potentially being interviewed . there's his home interviewed. there's his home address and all of the people who are linked to this suspect. and that can be family members , and that can be family members, friends and associates who the police need to get to, in very quick time. this will happen after very serious attacks like this. the police then respond very quickly to raid the property. the address that's unked property. the address that's linked to the suspect, their home address , and indeed other home address, and indeed other addresses linked to the suspect. because they don't know, whether there are other individuals that may have had knowledge of what this person was planning , that this person was planning, that there may be, for instance, other people linked. i mean, it's not uncommon for a suspect who goes off and commits a horrific offence to have left other victims behind at another address . yes, so that is address. yes, so that is happening in real time, in fast

time as police respond to the details of who this person is, they get to that person's address. they check, make sure there are no other victims, they speak to whoever's at that address . they may arrest them in address. they may arrest them in the first instance to gather as much information as they can from these individuals , to help from these individuals, to help them expedite their ongoing investigation to determine exactly what happened. so this chief superintendent, make no mistake , is very, very busy with mistake, is very, very busy with the operational lead , on what is the operational lead, on what is a fast time investigation happening right in his very area of responsibility . vie. of responsibility. vie. >> mark, thank you very much for staying with us for such a long time. as we await this statement, which hopefully will be coming very shortly. i don't know if you know the area. do we have any information on the crime rates in ilford, in hainaut specifically? do we know if this is a particular area

with an issue with knife crime? it's not slap bang in the middle of london, it's quite, very much on the outskirts of north—east london. any information on that ? london. any information on that? >> east london, this area around hainault is indeed an area of high knife crime, like many of the boroughs in in london. i don't know whether this the specific statistics six of this borough are but, in east london in particular, they have been grappling with, knife crime issues for many years. and of course, across london as we were discussing a little earlier, knife crime last year rose by 22% on the previous year. so boroughs , like this area around boroughs, like this area around hainault, and indeed london, other london boroughs are seeing a very significant upsurge in knife crime, particularly affecting young individuals. now, this suspect, is not a

teenager, is described as being 36 years old and in custody at this point. and as i say, no indication of any other people that at the moment at least are outstanding that they're looking for. but hopefully chief superintendent stewart bell can try to bring us a bit more clarity on that. but i'm not sure exactly , the level of sure exactly, the level of detail that he will have, but as i say, as soon as he is available to, i'm sure he will come to the camera and divulge whatever information he's able to share with us at this point. remember of course, as well, you've got worried family members who will have been informed now about the fact that their loved ones have been taken to hospital. they will need to be updated on the condition of individuals as a priority before that information is shared with the wider media. so all that is happening in the background, it's frustrating for us. of

course , because we are hoping to course, because we are hoping to get information from this senior police officer as soon as possible. but what we can't say in terms of the wider area around , hainault, you're looking around, hainault, you're looking at the live shots , of course, at the live shots, of course, there, but this wider area , there, but this wider area, there's still some significant disruption, as you would imagine , around this housing estate, there are streets still sealed off because there are active crime scenes, areas where people were stabbed and injured , other were stabbed and injured, other areas where the suspect was tasered and arrested. and then you've got the public transport around that area, which has been severely impacted. really since the incident unfolded around about 7 am, with the tube station at hainault, which is served by the very busy , central served by the very busy, central tube line that has been closed down. so that's causing disruption to part of the london underground. and then, of course, you've got the buses

that go through what is a busy route through east london, as well . they have been either well. they have been either diverted or cancelled a number of buses that were right there. as the incident unfolds and, were actually stopped and abandoned by their drivers, they become part of, a crime scene and an evidence, scene, it'll be, they may have been released by now, but as i say, that disruption has been ongoing for some time, and it will continue. q and while you've got areas that are still sort of taped off by the police, then understandably , if you're a understandably, if you're a member of that community, you're going to be concerned , going to be concerned, especially if you've got family in the young family , you'll be in the young family, you'll be concerned about what's going on. so part of what stewart bell will be doing when he eventually gets to speak to us will be just passing that important message of reassurance, to the members of reassurance, to the members of the public that the area, as far as they're concerned now, after what was a very dangerous and fast moving, and horrific,

spate of attacks, is now safe. their main suspect is in custody and mark, we are now being told that this will be in the next few minutes. >> we're expecting within the hour to hear from the police in this more wide ranging statement. it is important to state, however, that there has already been a statement, a written statement from the deputy assistant commissioner at the met who said this must have been a terrifying incident for those concerned. i know the wider community will be feeling shock and alarm . people will shock and alarm. people will want to know what has happened and we will provide more information as soon as we can. we do not believe there is on any ongoing threats to the wider community. we are not looking for more suspects. this incident does not appear to be terror related. now that was the statement that was issued by the metropolitan police. actually, some hours ago now. so this full update will be with much more

knowledge than the police had when they made that statement particularly interesting is some of the eyewitness reports that have been reported in the last, hour or so , and particularly hour or so, and particularly suggesting that this attacker was was shouting about belief in god.so was was shouting about belief in god. so all sorts of leads for the police to be looking at and update us on. >> yes, absolutely . that will >> yes, absolutely. that will feed into the ongoing investigation as they try to determine what the potential motivation behind this series of attacks was. mark the police officer is there. >> we're going to interrupt you on the east area bcu commander, responsible for policing this area of london, i'm going to be making a statement about the events that happened here this morning, it is a prepared statement , morning, it is a prepared statement, and afterwards i won't be taking any questions. and if i do, i'll be referring back to the information in the statement , back to the information in the statement, purely back to the information in the statement , purely because back to the information in the statement, purely because this is a very fast moving incident. and we will, of course, share as

much information as we can when we get the detail and we can share it, you will be aware that a serious incident occurred here at this location. this morning. police and ambulance services were called and deployed to a number of casualties . it is with number of casualties. it is with great sadness that i confirm that one of those injured in the incident , a that one of those injured in the incident, a 13 year old that one of those injured in the incident , a 13 year old boy, that one of those injured in the incident, a 13 year old boy, has died from their injuries. he was taken to hospital after being stabbed and sadly died a short while after . the stabbed and sadly died a short while after. the child's family are being supported. firstly by my local officers and now with some specialist officers, and everyone across the met is keeping them in our thoughts at this unimaginably difficult time . the events of this morning are truly horrific , and i cannot truly horrific, and i cannot even begin to imagine how those affected must be feeling. my thoughts are with the injured , thoughts are with the injured, their families and the wider community as we all begin to

come to terms with what has happened and try to understand what has happened here, i know that there will be clearly and understandably, a desire for answers and an explanation as to what happened. our investigation is in its very early stages , and is in its very early stages, and my officers are working right now to establish the full facts as a priority, and we will share what we can, when we can, with the wider community and of course, with yourselves . a 36 course, with yourselves. a 36 year old is currently in custody. he was tasered here at the scene and arrested 22 minutes after the first call was made to police. shortly before 7 am. this morning. i want to confirm at present that we do not believe there is any ongoing threat to the wider public and we are not seeking any other persons. the incident does not appear to be linked to any act of terrorism . we know now that of terrorism. we know now that dunng of terrorism. we know now that during the incident, five people were injured, three members of the public and two of my local

officers who were responding to the call. two of those members of the public remain in hospital, thankfully, their injuries are not believed to be life threatening. the two met police officers are also currently in hospital with stab wounds. both require surgery and have significant injuries, but we believe at this stage that they will not life threatening . they will not life threatening. i commend the incredible bravery of not just the police officers, but the other emergency responders who came to this scene this morning . i would ask scene this morning. i would ask anyone with information or any footage that would help us with this investigation to share that and call 101, please . i know the and call 101, please. i know the families of those involved, the local and wider community and many across london will want to know why this terrible incident occurred. and it's our job to find that out. and we will. i am committed to providing those answers when we can, and i would ask for some patience. while this important work is carried

out. thank you for your time . out. thank you for your time. >> mr bell. was the man arrested yesterday? >> no . >> no. >> no. >> the male was arrested this morning at the scene. was he previously was arrested? i'm not going to be commenting on any of those questions other than the information that i've released. we will share that information when we feel it's appropriate and when we know the answers. okay >> targeted the police, sir. >> targeted the police, sir. >> was the suspect known to police? >> so we do not believe this to be a targeted attack. and we are establishing the circumstances at the moment. okay. thank you sir. >> no further. where we have it, the news that terribly sadly, a 13 year old boy has died as a result of this incident. >> two further members of the pubuc >> two further members of the public remain in hospital, although it's thought that their injuries are not life threatening and two police officers remain in hospital, two where surgery is needed for their stab wounds. >> i'm terribly, terribly sad. news. devastating to hear that a young boy stabbed to death on

the scene by this assailant. he did say there that the assailant, the suspect, was tasered at the scene. 36 year old man. there were a few questions given to the chief superintendent there, but he said that he'll share more information on the suspect in due course. and he was asked about whether the suspect was already known to the police. again. he said , we're again. he said, we're establishing more detail on that. but he confirmed that very sad news that a 13 year old boy has died as well. >> let's dive deeper into that statement now with our home and security editor, mark white, who was listening to the officer . was listening to the officer. and, mark, what did we learn there about the process of this investigation ? investigation? >> well, very interestingly, right at the end, just responding to a question thrown at him, the chief superintendent , as he was leaving the press conference, said he did not believe this was a targeted

attack. if i heard him right, i think that's what he said. he didn't believe that this was a targeted attack in other words, that those individuals weren't sort out specific hinckley, but nonetheless, of course, a deadly attack with this 13 year old boy confirmed to have died. the two police officers, he confirmed , police officers, he confirmed, did suffer significant injuries, not life threatening, but they are undergoing surgery and those other two members of the public injured still in hospital, but not in a life threatening condition . ian also condition. ian also interestingly spoke about the arrest of the 36 year old suspect again , i didn't hear him suspect again, i didn't hear him quite, as clearly as i'd like, but i think he said that the suspect was tasered 22 minutes after the officers arrived, which gives you an indication of the fact that he was clearly running around. we saw the video of him on the garage roof,

police trying to catch up with him and keep other members of the public safe , 22 minutes, it the public safe, 22 minutes, it seems, before they finally were able to get to him and taser him again. a confirmation from the officer that he was tasered and then apprehended. at that point, as well. so, some definitely of course, new detail, detail on the very sad news of the fatality of a 13 year old boy, the injury, the conditions of the injury, the conditions of the four others, two members of the four others, two members of the public and two police officers who , it appears, have officers who, it appears, have suffered significant but not life threatening injuries. and that news that this suspect was indeed tasered. but some 22 minutes after police arrived or after the call was, was made to the police at 7 am. and of course , people watching and course, people watching and listening will want to know more

about the assailant, the suspect here, what we know about him, what may have been his motivation. >> how long does it usually take for the police or the press? indeed to expose some of those details ? details? >> well, the police will not name him until he is charged. thatis name him until he is charged. that is routine . varne and the that is routine. varne and the media, by and large, now abide by that because of miscarriages effectively, you remember the, with incidents like the, the sex ring, the paedophile ring, allegations around westminster when all kinds of people who later turned out to be wholly innocent were named in the press. so ever since then, we've had very strict guidelines that , had very strict guidelines that, for the most part, the press, will adhere to which is that we do not name individuals until they have been named at the point where they've been charged. however, what will come out is more detail about that

individual , out is more detail about that individual, you know, any sort of background, other than the name, was he known to the police 7 name, was he known to the police ? had he been arrested before, was there any indication that this person had the propensity towards violence, that kind of information , i'm sure, will come information, i'm sure, will come out in the hours and the days ahead. out in the hours and the days ahead . but in out in the hours and the days ahead. but in terms of a name, not until that individual is charged are we likely to get the name in the public domain . name in the public domain. >> this is, of course, the most appalling incident and no doubt there will be so many people grieving today for the 13 year old boy who has lost his life, but also those two members of the public in hospital with non—life threatening injuries and two police officers who will now undergo surgery in hospital. two, this is not an isolated incident in one sense, mark in that there have been so many

stabbings in london over the last few years, as you were saying earlier to us, a 22% rise in knife attacks and knife related attacks in london, offsetting the fall in the rest offsetting the fall in the rest of the country . of the country. >> yes. and of course , they fall >> yes. and of course, they fall into different categories as well. so you'll have which is often the most prevalent is street violence involving often, inter—gang rivalries , tax inter—gang rivalries, tax attacks from one young person, usually teenagers on another for whatever reason, there are also , whatever reason, there are also, attacks that may be targeted on an individual. they could be domestic in nature in terms of, a family member who is in dispute with another family member, there can be, targeted attacks on someone that someone is in dispute with, there could be attacks that take place

because there is, an ideology and a motivation . so in other and a motivation. so in other words, terrorism. and of course, there's mental health illness as well. we don't know what the motivation is here other than what the police officer said as he was leaving . he didn't he was leaving. he didn't believe it was a targeted attack i >> -- >> thank 5mm >> thank you very much indeed, mark, for helping us digest that police statement and that terrible news that a 13 year old boy has tragically been stabbed to death in hainault, london. let's get your headlines. we'll be back very shortly . be back very shortly. >> good afternoon. it's 1:03. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . and as you've been newsroom. and as you've been hearing, a 13 year old boy has died after a stabbing attack in north—east london, a man carrying a sword was arrested after five people were stabbed in hainaut. the 36 year old man was arrested at the scene and he is in custody. was arrested at the scene and he is in custody . police do not is in custody. police do not believe the attack is terror

related . king charles has related. king charles has returned to official public dufies returned to official public duties today for the first time since being diagnosed with cancen since being diagnosed with cancer. he's visiting a cancer treatment centre alongside the queen to meet medical specialists and other patients . specialists and other patients. the king has been announced as the new patron of cancer research uk, taking over from his mother, the late queen elizabeth. the government has denied claims it's trying to find missing asylum seekers, after a report suggested that more than half of the illegal migrants set for deportation to rwanda could not be located by the home office, according to the home office, according to the figures , just over 2100 the figures, just over 2100 identified for removal are in touch with authorities. that's out of the 5700 asylum seekers, all had been told their asylum claims were inadmissible, but more than half have now stopped reporting to the home office . reporting to the home office. health secretary victoria atkins told gb news the home office

will find them and flights will get off the ground . get off the ground. >> you know the home office has identified the cohort of the first cohort of people that are to be removed to rwanda. now that we've passed the act, it's important to understand not there are different arrangements for different people. so, for example, some people are detained, others are allowed to live with friends or families. but they should be reporting in to the home office regularly so that they keep that relationship up. now, of course, the home office will be checking these people and will be finding these people. it is hard grind, but we have passed this piece of legislation this week that is good news. we know that it will begin to have a deterrent effect , and we will and we will get the first flights off the ground within weeks . within weeks. >> meanwhile, ireland's department of justice is standing by claims that 80% of asylum seekers are coming into the country through northern ireland. it comes after refugee organisations questioned that

figure released by the country's minister for justice. figure released by the country's minister forjustice. ireland's minister for justice. ireland's deputy premier, micheal martin, had said it was not based on evidence, statistics or data. however britain's northern ireland minister said the uk's new rwanda deterrent is clearly working . in other news, working. in other news, nominations are now open in the snp leadership contest and senior figures are backing former deputy first minister john swinney for the top job. it comes after humza yousaf stepped down and admitted he underestimated the level of upset he would cause by cutting political ties with the greens . political ties with the greens. he'll continue in his post until a replacement is found . scottish a replacement is found. scottish labour leader anas sarwar says john swinney is not a candidate for change. >> john swinney has been at the heart of the snp government for the last 17 years. >> he's at the heart of the snp party for the last 40 years, he was the architect of the finance deals that broke local government. he was the worst

education secretary in the history of the scottish parliament. he's the man that wrote and delivered the bute house agreement and now somehow wants to pretend he's the change candidate . candidate. >> now. police investigating the discovery of a headless torso at castle dale have named the victim after more body parts were found. 67 year old stuart everett. severed body parts were scattered in four different locations across greater manchester. it comes after two men appeared in court charged with his murder and hospital patients in england will have the right to request to be treated on single sex wards under proposed nhs changes , with under proposed nhs changes, with transgender people placed in rooms on their own. the measure is part of plans by the government to update the nhs constitution. the proposal stressed the importance of biological sex for the first time when it comes to same sex accommodation and intimate care. currently, the rights are only available where possible and in the case of same sex wards, can

be breached if there is clinically urgent need . and for clinically urgent need. and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts now it's back to tom and . it's back to tom and. emily. >> it is 108, and the police have just confirmed that a 13 year old boy has died following a stabbing in north—east london. we also know two police officers and two members of the public have been injured. >> meanwhile , a 36 year old man >> meanwhile, a 36 year old man is currently being held in custody now. gb news correspondent katherine forster joins us from the scene of those stabbings and catherine, this is just another appalling incident in what might be described as a knife crime epidemic in london. >> yes, indeed. good afternoon ,

>> yes, indeed. good afternoon, tom and emily. this is a part of nonh tom and emily. this is a part of north east london. pretty quiet, pretty suburban, pretty unremarkable, to be honest. but this morning, horror has been visited on these streets . five visited on these streets. five people were taken to hospital . people were taken to hospital. two police officers with stab wounds. their injuries are not considered to be life threatening. two other members of the public, again, they are hopeful that those people will recover from their injuries . but recover from their injuries. but desperately sad. sadly, a 13 year old boy has died, was taken to hospital and died in hospital. his family are being supported , by specialist supported, by specialist officers. as you would expect . officers. as you would expect. chief superintendent stuart bell speaking a little bit earlier in the press conference, said this was a truly horrific event. unimaginable is the word that he used, they have stressed they believe there is no threat to

the public. the 36 year old man who committed these crimes was tasered . and is in custody. the tasered. and is in custody. the superintendent went to on say that he was arrested within 22 minutes of the first call to the police, that that call coming at around 7:00 in the morning after he'd basically driven into a house. the person who then went to investigate , reportedly to investigate, reportedly stabbed in the neck . then this stabbed in the neck. then this police chase. we've seen footage of this . he got onto a roof. of this. he got onto a roof. they were talking to him , they were talking to him, telling him to drop the knife, then shouting that he was going into people's gardens, shouting men messages to local residents saying lock your doors, lock your doors now. so the police were not taking questions, stressing it's a very fast moving investigation, but, you know, a very ordinary morning . know, a very ordinary morning. it was for people here and now, something really terrible that's

happened on their doorsteps. locals that i've talked to absolutely reeling. >> catherine, what have you heard about one of the most peculiar, reports , thoughts that peculiar, reports, thoughts that i've seen about this incident that that the man, the alleged attacker here, not only wielding this, this sword, but also shouting the words, do you believe in god at some of the police officers? have you heard that report ? that report? >> yes, i have heard that. but we don't know much more about that at the moment . all i would that at the moment. all i would say is that the police are saying that they don't believe this to be terror related. they're really seeking to reassure locals they want to present this as an isolated incident . but obviously they're incident. but obviously they're now going to be contacting these man's relatives and associates. he's going to be questioned very intensively , but they don't intensively, but they don't believe at this stage that it is

terror related. that's quite, they've made that, they've come to that conclusion quite rapidly , i would say. so we will see what emerges in the coming hours . but, you know, this terrible news about one death of this young boy, sadly, but hopefully , young boy, sadly, but hopefully, the other four people in hospital, will stage full recoveries. of course, there's been a lot of political reaction to this, and the prime minister has described it as a shocking incident. my thoughts are with those affected and their families . as he goes on to say, families. as he goes on to say, such violence has no place on our streets. well, he may say that, but the sad reality is that, but the sad reality is that violence all too often does happen on our streets in london and elsewhere. there is an epidemic of knife crime, in the capital and elsewhere . so an capital and elsewhere. so an incredibly difficult day here in hainault in north—east london. >> thank you very much indeed. katherine forster there, our reporter on the scene of the crimes there of that multiple

stabbing that has sadly left a 13 year old boy dead following that incident. very sad indeed. now, a lot of this has sparked the question whether more police officers should be armed. we're going to be speaking to two former police officers who have very different views on that. but we have seen as police officer stabbed in the neck, reportedly just how vulnerable they can be in cases where an assailant is roaming the streets with a machete like weapon. we're now joined by the conservative mp greg smith , conservative mp greg smith, greg, thank you very much for joining us. absolutely terrible , joining us. absolutely terrible, horrific news from north—east london, the death of a 13 year old boy. i put to you that a lot of londoners no longer feel safe in the capital. >> it's tragic news that we've we've heard this morning and my thoughts are with particularly the family and friends of the 13 year old boy who has lost his

life at the hands of this attacker. >> i i've got three children. i just cannot imagine hearing news that that one of mine could have possibly been hurt . and i just possibly been hurt. and i just can't imagine where where that family's thoughts are right now and my prayers go towards them, as well as the families and relatives and victims that that are injured in this attack. london has seen an epidemic, as tom put it a couple of moments ago, of knife crime. it's something that the metropolitan police need to be far tougher on, to take far greater action around getting those knives off the streets and ensuring that those are found with with blades on them. face the full force of the law. >> it does seem that this is a trend that has been growing , not trend that has been growing, not just the knife attacks that i think we've been reporting on for many decades in the capital. but larger and larger weapons now, machetes . or today, as we

now, machetes. or today, as we saw a sword . saw a sword. >> yeah. and we've got to do far better at getting these weapons off the streets. they're they are clearly far too easy to buy to come across or to, to acquire , and clearly far too easy for those that wish to use them for evil purposes to hurt others, to be able to, to carry them around and, and, you know, there's no easy way to simply get rid of all the weapons from the streets of london. but clearly much, much more needs to be done to ensure the safety not just of londoners , but everybody in our country. >> i mean, greg, do you have any update on where we are with the legislation surrounding some of the knives that we're seeing in london and elsewhere across the country? of course, i know the government wanted to try and make it impossible for people to buy zombie knives in particular, do you know where we are with that ? that? >> yeah, there is legislation

being passed through through parliament on the zombie knife issue, but clearly that's just one sort of weapon. it's a particularly absurd weapon . it's particularly absurd weapon. it's a particularly gruesome weapon . a particularly gruesome weapon. but at the end of the day, any knife can kill. and if people are walking the streets of london with a zombie knife or frankly, just walking around with a kitchen knife, they're clearly not doing it for good purposes. therefore much more needs to be done through stop and search, through police intelligence, and through other tools available to the police to get them off the streets and then over the road in parliament. it's the job of people like me and the government to pass the necessary legislation to stop the supply of such weapons. >> greg, we talk about this being a national problem, and certainly i wouldn't want to i wouldn't want to undermine the seriousness of stabbings right across the country . but the

across the country. but the statistics here don't lie. if it weren't for london stabbings across the whole of england would be down by 5% this year. but in london they're up by 22. london alone has pushed the engush london alone has pushed the english average into positive growth, otherwise it would have been falling . what is what has been falling. what is what has gone so wrong in our capital that, frankly, does seem so very different to our other major cities or rural areas . cities or rural areas. >> yeah. i mean, you're absolutely right. the facts don't lie. and i do want to double underline , as you said, double underline, as you said, that this isn't isolated to london. we have seen stabbings in other parts of the country as well. but the trend is up in london and that falls on on a few people's shoulders. it certainly falls on the political direction of london, the leadership that london's police and crime commissioner, in the shape of the mayor of london, is giving to the metropolitan police. but it's also down to

the met themselves. and we've seen the met have hardly showered themselves in glory on many fronts in recent weeks and months and years. the way they police protests, the way they turn a blind eye to anti—semitic posters being dragged through the streets of london on the hate marches . and now we see hate marches. and now we see that they have presided over a crime wave when it comes to knife crime. contrary to what we're seeing in most of the rest of the united kingdom. so, you know, i've said for some time now, and i don't say this lightly, you know, he's been retired nearly 25 years, but my dad was a metropolitan police officer. i've always been very pro police. i've always been very pro the met. but i think some serious reform is needed within the metropolitan police and the political leadership that the metropolitan police have from city hall to get them to refocus and reprioritize the way they conduct themselves in keeping londoners safe from knives, keeping londoners safe from those that that that that preach hate and anti—semitism on

these marches and so much more. >> now , of course, greg, this >> now, of course, greg, this shocking story is not the only story that we're reporting on today , the home office, today, the home office, reportedly unable to locate thousands of migrants that were flagged to be on those rwanda deportation flights where are they, greg? >> well, the government are denying this, but the story clearly has come from somewhere. and i've got to say, it doesn't actually surprise me if some have become lost because we've been trying for years now to ensure that those that have entered our country illegally face the chance of going to rwanda and potentially other countries as new partnerships are signed . but of course, we've are signed. but of course, we've had three pieces of primary legislation now passed to try and get the flights to take off. we continually see the boats arriving and our political opponents, and particularly some

in the legal sector, have frustrated us at every move. this is taking far too long and now we've finally got the safety of rwanda act into law , onto the of rwanda act into law, onto the statute book. it's got royal assent. we can't waste any more time. we've just got to get those flights in the air. we've just got to get the plan. operationalised so that there isn't the time for people to potentially disappear and become lost . lost. >> but greg, my understanding of this whole policy is that the way the government are identify flying those to be sent to rwanda is that in their sort of meetings with home office officials that they have to go to check in to not only check their welfare, but also to, just move this process along for those that have not yet been processed or in that process as it goes along, processed or in that process as it goes along , they're going to it goes along, they're going to be told at one of those meetings whether or not they'll go to rwanda. isn't that a perverse incentive for migrants to simply

not turn up to their check in meetings and an incentive to abscond ? abscond? >> yeah. if that is the case, then that that's just not a sensible way of doing it. it's clear that the government needs to ensure that they have an absolute grip over everybody that has entered the united kingdom illegally on a small boat, and claimed asylum to keep a clear tracking on where they are, if necessary, through detention. although detention probably isn't for everybody , probably isn't for everybody, and then not negotiate over who goes to rwanda, not negotiate over where people are moved to, but simply and straightforwardly as they arrive and ensure that they are put on a plane and to rwanda and hopefully other partnerships with other safe countries elsewhere in the world to ensure that that people aren't costing the british taxpayer money and indeed becoming lost within our country never to really be understood

where they are again. >> well, thank you very much indeed , greg smith mp, thank you indeed, greg smith mp, thank you very much. conservative mp great to speak to you. and of course, this all comes at the same time as we are witnessing this huge diplomatic row between ireland and the united kingdom. they want to send back , asylum want to send back, asylum seekers and illegal migrants back to the united kingdom. we're saying absolutely not. we can't send migrants back to france . so you can't send them france. so you can't send them back here. >> well, it seems that everyone wants to send everyone everywhere. yes, exactly . but everywhere. yes, exactly. but we're going to be moving on because after the break, it is time for our big debate of the program. and it's a very timely one at that. should our police be armed . and we're going to be armed. and we're going to pose that question to two former police officers and get to the nub of this issue after this very short .

break. good afternoon. britain. it's 1:26. now. two police officers remain in hospital after this terrifying incident near hainault tube station in north—east london this morning. >> yes. a 36 year old man who has since been arrested. it said that the suspect crashed his van into a house before attacking those who have been injured. now a 13 year old boy sadly has died as a result. we understand he was stabbed to death but with horrifying incidents such as this, it brings into the question whether our police should be armed. yes, this is a big question. lots of you have already been getting in touch to say that they should be considering, and in light of this incident. considering, and in light of this incident . so joining us for this incident. so joining us for this incident. so joining us for this debate is former firearms officer and detective chief superintendent kevin hurley, who says it's time to arm police, and the former met police detective peter bleksley , who detective peter bleksley, who says it is not kevin, make the

case for arming our police. we see today they are vulnerable . see today they are vulnerable. >> well, we pay our police to protect us and quite clearly, in incidents that have occurred all over the country, people are killed because unarmed officers respond, whether that's the case of bird up in cumbria killing 12 people. >> the incidents at borough market, where it took armed police to stop people. and so on. >> this is another classic example there. >> by the grace of god , where a >> by the grace of god, where a guy with a samurai sword ran amok, chopped up, people could have easily killed them. what i would like to see is every officer in the country equipped with a sidearm , like they are in with a sidearm, like they are in every other country in the world, apart from iceland and norway. >> even in new zealand. >> even in new zealand. >> and the bottom line is, when we're walking in the shopping centre, if someone runs amok, like that chap did in sydney, australia recently, you need to

have the first police officer on scene be able to take decisive action and stop them harming the pubuc action and stop them harming the public or killing the public. this isn't about arming the police to protect them. this is giving them another tool to protect us. another concern of mine is because the police , an mine is because the police, an organisation the bosses are steadfastly refusing to arm the police. we've created a bunch of people who look like robocops with assault rifles and so on, who create a very in, if you like , disturbing image. what i'm like, disturbing image. what i'm talking about is a discrete side arm on the hip of every officer so that when she turns up in a case where someone is running amok, like the case in nottingham or anywhere else where the person stabbed three people to death, they can take decisive action. >> well, let's throw that over to peter peter bleksley . it's to peter peter bleksley. it's only iceland, norway and the united kingdom where officers

aren't routinely armed . aren't routinely armed. >> a recent poll carried out by the police federation of every police officer in england and wales asked the very same question that we're discussing today. question that we're discussing today . do police officers today. do police officers routinely want to be armed with firearms? and there was a sizeable majority that answered no to that question . and many no to that question. and many officers said that if they were forced into carrying a firearm, they would in fact leave the police service . and there is police service. and there is sadly a huge problem with regards to recruiting and retaining police officers these days. and whilst i can see the arguments in favour of arming every police officer, my contention is by suddenly placing 100,000 firearms onto the streets of britain. it is not going to make it a safer place to live . place to live. >> let's put that to kevin. it's not going to make us any safer

putting more firearms on the street. well of course it will. >> and that poll that peter refers to is quite an old poll now. and it polled the whole remit of police officers. if you look at the actual votes from the metropolitan police officers, particularly response ones , they were the ones who ones, they were the ones who wanted firearms. and i'm not talking about people on the screen you're seeing now with an assault rifle. i'm talking about assault rifle. i'm talking about a discrete pistol on the hip. it doesn't actually matter whether the police want to carry firearms or not. as a member of the public, i want a police officer to turn up in my shopping centre when someone's running amok with a chopper and machete and stop them and protect me and those that i care about. what the police think is irrelevant. you could bring in a phased system of training and those who don't want to carry initially don't have to, but those who join later, just like when they joined the police service of northern ireland, carry it. the fact of the matter

is, there are about 50 or 60 people dead in the uk right now who would have been alive if police had turned up with a firearm and stopped whoever it was running amok with a knife or a gun ? a gun? >> peter, that's a pretty hard charge to sort of come back against, i suppose, in this incident today . day two police incident today. day two police officers stabbed undergoing surgery , now in hospital. if surgery, now in hospital. if they had had a firearm on them, this incident could have been over faster . over faster. >> well, we simply don't know the facts yet and we'll have to wait for those to play out. and of course, i send my very best wishes to those officers and to everybody that was injured today . and i wish them all a swift recovery. may that 13 year old boy's soul rest in peace . bless boy's soul rest in peace. bless him. if we look, a few months down the line, we will soon see the trial of police officer , 1 the trial of police officer, 1 to 1 standing trial for murder, for shooting chris kaba. if we

fully arm all our police officers, there are going to be a huge increase in the amount of occasions when firearms are discharged. and i'm sure, although this is, of course, a bit of contention and guesswork on my behalf, that there may be cases when we will discover that those firearms were not discharged properly. i agree we need further rolling out of taser, particularly to frontline response officers. i would like to see all officers armed with taser, and i think there is a greater groundswell of police opinion and public opinion that would support that. but as for handing a firearm to each and every cop on the streets, i think that is a manifestly catastrophic idea . catastrophic idea. >> well, thank you very much indeed. very interesting points of view from you both, kevin hurley and of course, peter bleksley there. yes, i'm sure there is the concern among a lot of police officers that they

could find themselves investigated if they do choose to use that weapon and it could go on, could be protracted. they could, you know, have to go through the criminal justice system themselves. yes. >> and the chris kaba case in particular is a very concerning one. lots to go into there. and i'm sure once that has concluded, we'll be covering it in great, great detail and we will come to. >> yeah. and we will get to some of your views as well. lots of you getting in touch on the issue of arming the police on that very question, but coming up, yes. >> more on the government denying claims it's trying to find missing asylum seekers after reports suggested that more than 100 claimants could not be located by the home office. much more on that after your headlines with severe . your headlines with severe. >> thanks, tom. it's 134. your headlines with severe. >> thanks, tom. it's134. i'm sophia wenzler and the gb news room . a 13 year old boy has died room. a 13 year old boy has died after a stabbing attack in north—east london. a man carrying a sword was arrested after five people were stabbed

in hainaut . the 36 year old man in hainaut. the 36 year old man was arrested at the scene and he is in custody. police do not believe the attack is terror related , and met police related, and met police superintendent stuart bell spoke in the last hour, confirming four of the victims had been taken to hospital and a young boy had died. it is with great sadness that i confirm that one of those injured in the incident, a 13 year old boy, has died from their injuries. >> he was taken to hospital after being stabbed and sadly died a short while after. the child's family are being supported, firstly by my local officers and now with some specialist officers. and everyone across the met is keeping them in our thoughts at this unimaginably difficult time i >> -- >> king charles has returned to official public duties today for the first time since being diagnosed with cancer. he's visiting a cancer treatment centre alongside the queen to meet medical specialists and

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good afternoon. britain. it's 20 minutes to one now. the government has denied claims that it's trying to find 1000. we're going to get to some views

first, tom. >> but some views. they're more important than what the government is denying. although we will get to that because it is important to. but your views are the most important thing, on the question of whether police should be armed , of course, in should be armed, of course, in light of the horrific, stabbing attack in north—east london today, which has claimed the life of a 13 year old boy, lots of you getting in touch , ian of you getting in touch, ian says yes, the police should be harmed. there would be no messing about. the police were in australia. was able to take someone out in that way and it ended the crime there. i think he's referring to that. that horrible incident in the shopping centre in australia. >> no, certainly. although andy says that peter peter bleksley was so right in our debate that we had some minutes ago. he says i'm a retired police officer and was also a firearms officer dunng was also a firearms officer during my service. tasers are a completely different thing you miss with a taser and the wires and barbs land on the ground. they don't hit or harm anyone. it's my belief that fewer people

would be injured, both victims of crime and perpetrators , of crime and perpetrators, dunng of crime and perpetrators, during violent incidents, and goes on to say that tasers are much, much more preferable than widespread use of firearms. >> that's interesting, isn't it? because we had two former police officers on who had very different views on this. it seemed to me that peter was saying essentially lots of police officers, they've been asked about this before. they don't want to carry the arms. there's a recruitment crisis in the police. they shouldn't be forced to do so. but moffat, tim moffat , tim says the argument moffat, tim says the argument for armed police is very good, clear and well thought out. i fully agree it is not up to the actual police officers. whether or not they are armed. soon they will want the choice of whether or not they bother to wear a uniform. well, there you go. yes, i would agree with that. you know, if you if they change the rules, then of course, if you sign up to a police officer, you sign up to a police officer, you have to live by those rules. >> but wendy says i worry if we arm the police, the criminals will do the same and soon will be awash with guns. it's a slippery slope and there is that concern about sort of an arms

race at the moment. the criminals have knives and machetes and swords. but what if suddenly they have many, many more guns? >> what? so essentially , if the >> what? so essentially, if the police have arms, then the horrible nasty criminals will then arm themselves more so, and then arm themselves more so, and then you have an escalating effect. well, of course none of us want to see that. >> although margaret says if some individual is running amok with a weapon, shoot them dead . with a weapon, shoot them dead. well, there you go. >> disagree. there you go. there you go. steve isn't so convinced. he says, i wouldn't trust most police officers to carry a bag of groceries, let alone a firearm. most of them are simply not up to it. but on this show, we've spoken to three former police officers and i must say, they seem to, definitely have demonstrated that they were up to the job. hopefully the ones that we currently have are too. >> well, paul has a rather fatalistic view of all of this, or perhaps a deterministic one. paul says, arm the police. we follow the united states in every aspect of life, so we will be armed in 30 years. >> well, you might well be

right. you might well be right. paul right. you might well be right. paul, keep your views coming in. gbnews.com/yoursay say, but as we were saying, there's a lot of trouble for the government when it comes to the rwanda scheme. of course, it took a while for it to become an act. and now, in terms of how they're actually going to, get those planes off, they seem to have lost the migrants that they're trying to round up. yes. >> it's all, slightly confusing in terms of how they are selecting those migrants that will be going to rwanda in in just ten weeks time, so far , the just ten weeks time, so far, the home office has relied on this sort of incentive of free accommodation to stop migrants from absconding . yeah. if you from absconding. yeah. if you turn up every week and see your home office officer, you will be granted free room and board . and granted free room and board. and that has been how we keep track of people . however, that same of people. however, that same system, according to some reports , this is how people will reports, this is how people will be identified for being sent to rwanda. so there's a risk that

if you turn up to meet your home office official, they will mark you down as being going, as being one of the people to get on a plane to rwanda. well, what an incentive for people to stop going to see that official to leave the accommodation and to run off into the black economy. >> absolutely . and i mean, if >> absolutely. and i mean, if you've entered a country illegally , if you've entered a illegally, if you've entered a country illegally, can you really have a trust system in place for checking in with the home office? i mean, can you really is that not utterly naive on the part of the government and the home office? but the claim here is that out of 5700 migrants identified for removal, only 2145 of them continue to report to the home office and can be located for detention now, the government are denying these claims, but these are documents that have, in the words of the times, this morning, slips quietly slipped out by the department. so they've been quietly slipped out by the department of the home office. and we know how many

failures are well documented when it comes to the home office. >> it's a hugely concerning story, although, as one columnist in a newspaper this morning, richard littlejohn , put morning, richard littlejohn, put it. yeah, perhaps this is a good system. after all, if we, if we don't have to pay for the accommodation of those who have stopped checking in and have absconded , but also we don't absconded, but also we don't have to pay for their flights to rwanda if they themselves get across to the republic of ireland . problem solved. well, ireland. problem solved. well, at least for the united kingdom . at least for the united kingdom. perhaps that's the attitude the french have, yes. and then the irish will absolutely kick off even more so. even more 50. >> even more so. >> and that diplomatic row will intensify. i mean, the irish press is very much going on this idea that we should absolutely accept migrants who have come through the united kingdom to ireland, we should accept them back. but of course, france and the european union aren't so keen to do that when it comes to us. >> us. >> are they such a funny parallel because you can completely empathise with the irish politicians position. suddenly thousands of migrants are coming across from a

neighbouring country that they didn't want and they want to send them back and we're saying no. but that's precisely the position the united kingdom is in, because thousands of migrants are coming across from a different neighbouring country. we'd like to send them back to france. they're saying no. well, now they might be moving further afield to ireland. it makes you think how many times in this chain of country to country to country does this happen across europe? >> and meanwhile you've got tom hodgson top honchos in the european union, thinking about rwanda style schemes. now the plot thickens when it comes to the migration issue in europe. very complicated indeed. but it would help if the home office actually knew where people who had crossed the channel were actually living, and they were reporting to the home office. i mean, it's going to be hard to round up and get people on flights if you don't know where they are. >> it might well be. but coming up next, we're going to turn to the high street because shop price inflation is finally showing signs of normalising. but what does that mean for you? much more on that. >> after this. is inflation over

? >> 7- >> good ? >> good afternoon. 7 >> good afternoon. britain. it's ten minutes to two now. promising new figures have shown shop price inflation is showing signs of normalising one year on from its peak in what will surely be long awaited relief for millions of shoppers around the country. >> yes . don't tell the country. >> yes. don't tell us we the country. >> yes . don't tell us we never >> yes. don't tell us we never bnng >> yes. don't tell us we never bring you positive news. prices in april were not only 0.8% higher than a year earlier , higher than a year earlier, that's the lowest growth since december 2021. now the figure is down from 1.3% in march and below the three month average of 1.4. so what does this actually mean for you? joining us now is gb news east midlands reporter will hollis , who's been talking will hollis, who's been talking to the local residents of melton mowbray at the market. will, what have you heard? are people

finally starting to believe that inflation might be over? >> yes. well, people in melton mowbray here in leicestershire know a thing or two about food. locals dub it the rural food capital of britain, most known for stilton cheese and pork pies. but there's been a traditional livestock market here in melton mowbray for more than a thousand years, selling what you can here today in the background, particularly sheep . background, particularly sheep. but in modern times, local people are just as likely to go to the local supermarket and then come here afterwards and grab a bacon cob and maybe get a good deal on some fruit and veg or even some fish. now, what i'm heanng or even some fish. now, what i'm hearing today from the local people is that the news from the british retail consortium, that food inflation is starting to normalise is might be welcome. whether it actually translates to lower prices in the shops or on the market is something that they are yet to see. it is

important to remember that while lower inflation might mean that pnces lower inflation might mean that prices start to slow , it doesn't prices start to slow, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are coming down back to original pnces coming down back to original prices that we saw maybe 1 or 2 years ago. now, one of the people that i've been speaking to is a local market trader, a fishmonger called stuart scarborough. and he's been telling me about his experience selling fish and the people coming to eat his fish. >> for people to be quite honestly, expect stuff to be a bit more expensive. i'm finding that people are accepting it, but the problem is they'll only accept it for so long. we bought accept it for so long. we bought a tub of the normal bog standard supermarket sold, which a year ago was 40 £0.45, and yesterday it was £1.80. so you times that by a basket full of shopping. and that's a lot of extra money i am seeing. people are definitely going down back to the cod and haddock and the smoked haddock and bits and bobs

like that. so the high end stuff is not selling as much as the sort of like middle of the road. >> well, the figures from the british retail consortium , the british retail consortium, the trade body that mainly represents supermarkets and high street chains, they say that food inflation is down to 3.4, down from 3.7. but of course, those prices might not necessarily immediately translate to what's on the supermarket shelves, particularly when there are geopolitical tensions that are destabilising food prices even further . further. >> well, thank you very much indeed. willa mixed picture indeed. will a mixed picture some positive news? it certainly could be far worse. yes, it is the fact, isn't it , that, food the fact, isn't it, that, food price inflation has been one of the worst areas affected and of course that hits those on low incomes. the hardest. but there you go. there's the view from where will hollis >> but of course food price

inflation was for a time higher inflation was for a time higher in germany than it was in the uk. ireland saw similar levels and overall inflation now is higher in the united states than it is in the united kingdom. i think so often when we talk about these sort of issues on the media, the headlines in the papers are whenever the uk is momentarily the worst at something, but then as soon as the uk overtakes any other country, even if it's most of the time that doesn't get a headune the time that doesn't get a headline saying that our press bashes britain, surely not. >> anyway, we've got much more to come, including the return of the king who has resumed royal dufies the king who has resumed royal duties following his cancer diagnosis. and will there be a big reunion between prince harry and . king charles? and. king charles? >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar , the sponsors of weather solar, the sponsors of weather on gb news. >> afternoon. >> afternoon. >> welcome to your latest weather update from the met office here on gb. >> news. more of the same for the rest of today. it's been a

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gb news. away. >> good afternoon. britain. it's 2:00 on tuesday, the 30th of april. >> now, a 13 year old boy has been killed following a stabbing in north east london. a 36 year old man has been arrested. will be live on the scene for the very latest. >> the government has denied claims it's trying to find missing asylum seekers , after missing asylum seekers, after reports suggested more than 3000

claimants could not be located by the home office and king charles returns to public duty today with a visit to a specialist cancer centre . specialist cancer centre. >> prince harry is coming back to the united kingdom next week . to the united kingdom next week. could there be a reunion? okay, and there are also , okay, and there are also, pictures, stark images from dubun pictures, stark images from dublin in ireland, of essentially what's been described as a tent city. huge numbers of asylum seekers, illegal immigrants pitching up in tents, very much in the centre of town in the centre of the city. and this, of course, is why the irish leadership are so keen to try and send migrants back to the united kingdom. that's what they want . the irish that's what they want. the irish times today going big on the tea shock, expecting the united kingdom to honour the agreement to accept the return of asylum

seekers. this diplomatic row isn't going anywhere. it isn't. >> and over the weekend the prime minister waded in, saying that actually this shows that rwanda is working . what the rwanda is working. what the irish government is saying that people want to leave the united kingdom because of the risk that they'll be sent to rwanda. well, isn't that showing that there is a deterrent there? isn't that revealing that the rwanda scheme up and running, now that it's passed through parliament, albeit not yet, that the single plane has taken off the ground, but we're expecting that in the coming weeks. could it be that thatis coming weeks. could it be that that is actually influencing the influx of migrants from the united kingdom to the republic of ireland? there's an irony, isn't there, because the irish leadership wanted to say that the united kingdom is not a safe country , because we have this country, because we have this rwanda deterrent, because we could send migrants to rwanda now because there's so much chaos in their own country with tent cities around dublin, they actually now want to deem the

united kingdom a safe country. >> they want us to honour this agreement, to take back migrants from ireland. what will happen is the idea that rwanda is making this deterrent and forcing people to go over to ireland, is that true, or is the irish leadership just trying to deflect from their own failures? they could arguably control immigration if they wanted to. >> well, absolutely, because here's a statistic in 2021, there were just 2.7 thousand asylum applications in the repubuc asylum applications in the republic of ireland . in 2022, republic of ireland. in 2022, there were 13.7. wow. >> wow. that can't be down to 23. >> there were 13.3 thousand. so the last two years in the repubuc the last two years in the republic of ireland, you've seen more than a ten or around, i don't know, like a seven fold increase on 2021. just a huge, huge spike in the number of people claiming asylum for the last two years. now, this matches, of course, the huge influx that italy has seen , that influx that italy has seen, that greece has seen indeed the last two years of the small boat crisis in the united kingdom

too. so it could be that the repubuc too. so it could be that the republic of ireland government is overegging rwanda, trying to pass off blame to the brits when actually they are suffering the same global migration crisis that actually isn't just affecting every country in europe. is it affecting the united states as well, with hundreds, with millions, millions of people across the southern border ? southern border? >> and it's unsurprising, isn't it, that the irish leadership are talking tough on this now, because essentially large numbers of the irish public are saying to the government, they have had enough. there isn't the infrastructure in the country to be able to afford to assimilate this number of people. so they are running scared. i would suggest, but get your views in gbnews.com/yoursay do you think our government here should stand firm when it comes to saying no, we can't send migrants back to france, so you can't send them back here? let us know. gbnews.com/yoursay should we get the headlines with sofia? >> emily. thank you. it's 2:00.

i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. a 13 year old boy has died after a stabbing attack in nonh died after a stabbing attack in north east london. a man carrying a sword was arrested after five people were stabbed in hainaut. the 36 year old man was arrested at the scene and he is in custody. police do not believe the attack is terror related. matt police superintendent stuart bell confirmed four of the victims have been taken to hospital and a young boy had died. >> it is with great sadness that i confirm that one of those injured in the incident, a 13 year old boy, has died from their injuries. he was taken to hospital after being stabbed and sadly died a short while after. the child's family are being supported. firstly by my local officers and now with some specialist officers. and everyone across the met is keeping them in our thoughts at this unimaginably difficult time i >> -- >> king charles has returned to

official public duties today for the first time since being diagnosed with cancer. he visited a cancer treatment centre alongside the queen to meet medical specialists and other patients . the king has other patients. the king has been announced as the new patron of cancer research uk, taking over from his mother the late queen elizabeth. the government has denied claims it's trying to find missing asylum seekers, after a report suggested that more than half of the illegal migrants set for deportation to rwanda could not be located by the home office, according to the home office, according to the figures, just over 2100 identified for removal are in touch with the authorities . touch with the authorities. that's out of 5700 asylum seekers . all had been told their seekers. all had been told their asylum claims were inadmissible , asylum claims were inadmissible, but more than half have now stopped reporting to the home office. shadow chancellor rachel reeves says the government has lost control of illegal immigration. >> the conservatives have lost

control of the borders and now they have literally lost the people who they say they're going to be sending to rwanda. they've lost control of the immigration and asylum system, and it is ordinary working people that are paying the price. the government needs to crack down on the criminal gangs that are luring people to this country, and then process the claims without losing the asylum seekers, which is now what is appearing to happen . appearing to happen. >> a motion of no confidence in the scottish government tabled by the labour party, will be debated at a vote tomorrow . it debated at a vote tomorrow. it comes after humza yousaf stepped down and admitted he underestimated the level of upset he would cause by cutting political ties with the greens. he'll continue in his post until a replacement is found. senior snp figures are backing former deputy first minister john swinney for the top job. scott labour leader anas sarwar says mr swinney is not a candidate for change. >> john swinney has been at the heart of the snp government for the last 17 years. he's at the heart of the snp party for the

last 40 years he was the architect of the finance deals that broke local government. he was the worst education secretary in the history of the scottish parliament. he's the man that wrote and delivered the bute house agreement and now somehow wants to pretend he's the change candidate . the change candidate. >> in other news, police investigating the discovery of a headless torso at castle dale have named the victim after more body parts were found. 67 year old stuart everett severed body parts were scattered in four different locations across greater manchester. it comes after two men appeared in court charged with his murder , and charged with his murder, and rishi sunak has backed a campaign for nottingham stabbing victim grace o'malley. kumar to be awarded the george cross. her parents called for their daughter to be bestowed with the highest military award after she was murdered attempting to save her friend barnaby webber from knife attacker valdo calocane calocane, high security hospital

order is set to be reviewed next week after the victim's families expressed their outrage that he avoided prison following his sentencing . and for the latest sentencing. and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gbnews.com/alerts . now it's back gbnews.com/alerts. now it's back to tom and . emily. to tom and. emily. >> good afternoon britain. it's 2:08 now. police have confirmed that a 13 year old boy has died following a stabbing in north east london. >> yes, we also know two police officers and two members of the pubuc officers and two members of the public have been injured as well. while a 36 year old man is currently being held in custody . currently being held in custody. a shocking footage on social media shows the suspect carrying a large samurai style bladed weapon. >> well, gb news correspondent katherine forsterjoins us live katherine forster joins us live from the scene now, and

catherine, this is an unusual incident , but it does feed into incident, but it does feed into a pattern, a pattern of expanding knife crime in our caphal >> yes, that's right. we tend to think of stabbings, of things that happen late at night down a dark alley. but this, of course, in hainault in north—east london, happening just before 7:00. police responded within 22 minutes, arrested a 36 year old man who is in custody. they're not looking for anybody else in connection with this, but let's have a short look at the press conference. and what chief superintendent stuart bell had to say an hour or so ago . to say an hour or so ago. >> it is with great sadness that i confirm that one of those injured in the incident, a 13 year old boy, has died from their injuries. he was taken to hospital after being stabbed and sadly died a short while after. the child's family are being

supported. firstly by my local officers and now with some specialist officers . and specialist officers. and everyone across the met is keeping them in our thoughts at this unimaginably difficult time. >> yes, the police chief saying that it was unimaginable for the family. a family, of course, that got up like every other family, just thinking they were going to have a normal day and their lives now , you know, their lives now, you know, pred their lives now, you know, ripped apart by this. i was talking to people, locals out on the streets. of course, we've got roads closed. all around this area. the incident where it actually happened over my shoulder , going a couple of shoulder, going a couple of streets back, the whole area is cordoned off. you're only allowed in it if you're actually living here. the tube station, hainault tube station closed as well because of course, this forensic investigation is going on. locals very, very shocked. i talked to a couple of them. let's hear from them now. >> it was a it was more of a

calm area before and i could i can see it myself as my kids are growing up. that the increasement of the knife crime is getting severe. it's getting out of hand. that's what it is. it's getting out of hand. but they need to make a tougher law, you know, because it's become so easy and comfortable for these young youngers to carry the knives and i think majority of the time they're carrying the knives for their own safety because they think that someone else is carrying it. >> you almost become more cynical to it after a while, but but i think when you have conversations about the police forces and, you know, attendances to incidents like this, the police force needs to be commended for what they have been able to achieve with the resources they've got. what has happenedis resources they've got. what has happened is perhaps a one off, an off key, but it's becoming more prevalent in all areas around london. >> yes. so a feeling from locals

that london is indeed becoming less safe now . tributes have less safe now. tributes have been pouring in and comments coming in, of course, from the prime minister, who said this shocking incident. thoughts are with those affected and their families also saying such violence has no place on our streets . the local mp and shadow streets. the local mp and shadow health secretary, wes streeting, has been speaking, health secretary, wes streeting, has been speaking , talking about has been speaking, talking about the horrific incident in my constituency and talking about the heroic metropolitan police officers who put themselves in harm's way to protect others . harm's way to protect others. and i think that's worth reflecting on, isn't it? as that gentleman said, you know, the police do come in from a lot of criticism. the metropolitan police specifically get an awful lot of flak. but in a crisis when there is an incident, they do run towards danger. and a lot of tributes being paid to them. and indeed the emergency services today . but an

services today. but an absolutely dreadful, dreadful day here in hainault. >> thank you so much, catherine, for being there on the scene for us. and from speaking to those local people and their concerns . local people and their concerns. katherine forster, our gb news correspondent there, live in hainault by the scene of that horrific, horrific crime. and we should say we don't really know yet, do we? whether this was a random attack to what level it was premeditated, whether those who came to harm were targeted in any way . it who came to harm were targeted in any way. it seems as though the police were suggesting that they weren't being directly targeted. so perhaps this was in some ways quite a random attack, at least in terms of those who were targeted. >> yes, but still so much more to learn about this. and of course, we will bring you more as the metropolitan police release this. we understand, of course, that the suspect is undergoing a form of interrogation. there are some concerning reports that he was shouting, do you believe in god as he attacked some of the police officers? so some really

bizarre motives, perhaps , but bizarre motives, perhaps, but those will be eked out, no doubt in time , very bizarre indeed. in time, very bizarre indeed. >> shouting. do you believe in god to the police officers as you were. attack them , we'll we you were. attack them, we'll we don't have that confirmed. but thatis don't have that confirmed. but that is what reports are saying at this time. an eyewitness has come forward and said that's what she heard. but shall we move on? because there's lots of other news. rishi sunak he's waded into the ongoing row with ireland, warning that the uk will not take migrants back from the republic. >> well, the prime minister said that he was not interested in a returns agreement with ireland for as long as the eu was not interested in a returns agreement with the united kingdom. >> yes, his intervention comes after irish ministers blamed an influx of migrants coming into their country on the uk government's rwanda plan. curious? >> well, we're joined now by the author and commentator on irish politics, kevin marr . kevin, how politics, kevin marr. kevin, how credible is this idea that

actually this is the rwanda scheme? that is that is diverting migrants from the united kingdom to the republic of ireland, frankly , actually, i of ireland, frankly, actually, i don't think there's very much in it at all. >> i think this issue of, migrants crossing over the invisible border from northern ireland into the irish republic has been going on for the last five years or so. it's not new in that in that respect, it's definitely happening. and the irish justice minister, helen mccarthy, told an irish parliamentary committee last week that around 80% of the asylum seekers in ireland is deaung asylum seekers in ireland is dealing with have come from that route. now, you don't need to be an expert on the weather or sea lanes to realise that it's unlikely that people will be getting in dinghies and arriving in ireland, bypassing britain. so they're getting into ireland via northern ireland. in the main , and the figures tell main, and the figures tell a tale. the first quarter of this year ireland took in 4715 asylum seekers at its international protection office in the centre of dublin, which is why, of course, there's all those tents

in the centre of dublin at the moment, and only 420 people presented themselves at ports and airports for asylum. now that those figures have completely reversed over the course of the last five years, i suspect rwanda is a minor issue . suspect rwanda is a minor issue. i don't i don't imagine for a time not to sound flippant, but i don't imagine people on the beaches at calais are scrolling through their smartphones and looking at what stage the rwanda bill is at, and making a decision about whether they go to britain or not. so i think that's a fairly a bit of a side issue. >> but i mean, kevin, would you go as far as to say, it's a deflection tactic on the part of the irish leadership? they've got a huge problem on their hands. you mentioned the tent cities. it's very visible . there cities. it's very visible. there are stark images out there for everyone to see, huge numbers of asylum seekers and illegal migrants just pitching up tents in the centre of town . you've in the centre of town. you've also seen riots on the streets, mass protests , arson attacks. mass protests, arson attacks. the irish leadership are in a very sticky situation. >> it is, i mean , just just as

>> it is, i mean, just just as a clarification, i think it's a deflection on behalf of the british government rather than the irish government. but you're right. >> ireland's sorry, kevin , it's >> ireland's sorry, kevin, it's the irish government that are saying this. >> it's british ministers that are saying this, that the rwanda , the deputy prime minister provoked and came up with the british. >> the british ministers didn't say this until the irish ministers said it. >> it's nothing to do with rwanda. the figures i've just given bear that out now. ireland's >> i agree with you, kevin. kevin, can we just get to the bottom of this? because let me just finish because i agree with you looking at the figures the last two years. kevin, if i may, if i may point to them, i may kevin with immigration in the same way that britain is and three quarters of the irish population, three quarters of voters are saying, look, enough's enough. >> we've played the game, we've taken in people from ukraine. we've been, you know, we've been a good neighbour, but enough's enough. we've now got a situation in southern ireland where 1 in 5 of the resident population was not born in ireland. now that's a that's a huge figure to, to to, ponder. it's much higher than it is in britain, much higher than it is

evenin britain, much higher than it is even in america. so there's a real sense in ireland that immigration is rocketing up the list of voters concerns, and they want something done about it. and the irish government is kind of all over the place, just as the british government is. and every government across europe and the fundamental point is that we've got to collaborate whether that's dublin, london, germany, france , any of the germany, france, any of the mediterranean countries, because it's a problem for all of us. and at the moment we're all trying we're all trying to deal with it bilaterally in our, in, in our own individual silo. and no one is getting anywhere. that's the fundamental problem. >> yes, i think you're right there. and also the figures completely bear this out. it's not just, since the rwanda bill has passed that there's been this influx into ireland the last two years have been extraordinary in terms of the number of illegal migrants in ireland, proportionately far higher than the united kingdom. but but it's the irish deputy prime minister who brought the rwanda bill into the question he was asked about this last week. he started to suggest that it was, u.k. migration policy that was, u.k. migration policy that was forcing people in to the repubuc was forcing people in to the republic of ireland and then the

t shirk went further and seemed to endorse that with a number of interviews over the weekend. that's only after that point did rishi sunak comment on it. i generally suggest that this started in dublin. >> we've seen lots of lots of commentary in the british media suggesting that as well. it's a red herring. it's nothing to do with rwanda, i think is basically the fundamental point. the issue in ireland has been going on for several years, as you rightly say, and they don't have the same social infrastructure to deal with it. so what we're seeing is the irish government beg borrowing and stealing accommodation all the way across ireland, trying to put asylum seekers in little hotels and b&bs out in the sticks and the locals are going berserk about it and it's becoming a real issue. and of course, ireland's got a general election coming up in the next few months, just as britain has. it may even be held at the same time, later in the later in the autumn and it's becoming the fundamental issue. and of course, whether you're the irish government, right or left or you're the british government or you're the british government or you're a tory government or a labour government, you know, this problem is very, very big, very, very difficult to deal

with. and all governments have very few levers to be able to pull. and what we don't see is that coordinated effort across europe, people in the eu countries outside the eu, because unless we address the numbers and the problems and get it right at this point, in 10 or 15 years time, it's going to be an awful lot worse than it is today. and the only way of doing that is, is to is to work effectively with the states in nonh effectively with the states in north africa and states to the east of the european union to be able to soak up these migrant pathways that are coming into europe, because what we're deaung europe, because what we're dealing with today is going to be nothing. >> kevin, i'm absolutely sure you're you're right on that point, but may i suggest that the irish leadership have been, let's say, hopelessly naive of about how concerned their own public, their own voters, their own electorate, their own people would be about the huge numbers of people? is it not the case that the leadership was very welcome to open, had open arms to the world, and now they're a bit concerned and slamming on the brakes, or at least trying to. >> i think that's a fair point. that's absolutely a fair point. i mean, i mean, i'd characterise

it that what you've got as an irish political elite, that are going around, the chancellors of europe writing checks about migration, what they're prepared to do, which then the irish people have got to pay and they are paying and they're paying because you've got a situation, for example, in many small towns with perhaps a little hotel or a b&b, that the tourism industry has been knocked sideways because that's been taken over because, because 50 guys have been dumped there. now i'm not blaming those people trying to come here for a better life, but the fact is, ireland doesn't have the same social infrastructure to be able to soak all this up. it doesn't have the same welfare state in the same way, which is why the irish government has now arrived at a point where it's given some of these guys a tent and saying, on your way, lad. so they're letting them come in, but then they're not doing anything effective with them. so it's a kind of real hypocrisy that you're being very loose in terms, in terms of the commitments that you're making, that you cannot honour. and that's very much what we're seeing in ireland, in lots in both in dublin and also out into the provincial towns as well. >> it really does put it into perspective. i mean, the idea of

using disused raf bases in england or a barge that was once used by the swedes and the dutch and now and comparing that to, to, to, to a city of tents in dublin, it really does show the difference there. but kevin maher, thank you so much for talking through what is a deeply concerning issue. the other side of the irish sea, the t shirts still saying the uk needs to take back the migrants. >> we don't want. i'm not sure. i assume that rishi sunak will want to stand firm on this one, but you never know. we have been, given the charge labelled as being a little soft in the past. >> b could this be the piece of leverage that rishi sunak has been looking for the last two years? might we finally be able to open up conversations about a returns agreement with the european union, returning people back to france in the first place, which would have negated the last two years of mess over this issue? >> well, maybe . maybe, tom, >> well, maybe. maybe, tom, maybe. but coming up, the return of the king, we'll have the latest as king charles resumes

his royal duties. could there be a, you know, could there be a chat between prince harry and king charles coming up? he's back in the uk next week.

all right. it's 226. you're watching and listening to good afternoon, britain . now, king afternoon, britain. now, king charles has returned to public dufies charles has returned to public duties today. he's visited a cancer treatment centre in south of england. the king, along with the queen, camilla, met patients and medical specialists to raise awareness of the importance of early diagnosis and highlight research taking place at the hospital. there they are looking at what looks like an mri machine. >> yes, one of the few mri machines that we have in the country. but this comes after how many are there? i don't know off the top of my head, but i do know that we haven't got enough. yeah, but this comes after the king's own diagnosis of the disease back in february. well,

cameron walker is here to tell us more from the scene of the visit . and, cameron, this was visit. and, cameron, this was the first time that we'd seen the first time that we'd seen the king in quite a while . the king in quite a while. >> yeah, it certainly was, tom. it was a hugely symbolic visit following the positive effects of his own cancer treatment. and when he stood outside of the royal bentley with queen camilla here, he genuinely was so happy to be here. you could just tell he was engaging with members of the public, even engaging with a few familiar journalists as well. before he met the hospital bosses and then stood in size because the king, i'm told, was really keen to highlight the importance of early diagnosis when it comes to cancers. you mentioned the ct scanner there, tom. a vital part of early diagnosis of cancer treatments. but he also opened up about his own experience with cancer, even telling one chemotherapy patient here that he has to do have more treatment this afternoon. so as we speak, the king, it appears, is having more treatments for that cancer .

is having more treatments for that cancer. he also met a couple of young patients here when he left the hospital, he met two young patients and the king gifted a little boy, some some merchandise from the buckingham palace shop. the little a little girl, sorry. some, merchandise from the buckingham palace shop, including a cuddly toy dog, and a notebook a little girl also received , some books from her received, some books from her majesty the queen. of course, she is very keen on literacy. and those books recommended by the queen's reading room. but the queen's reading room. but the king here was also really wanting to encourage others to be open about their own cancer diagnosis and to kind of show the world that, okay, he still has cancer , but he can still has cancer, but he can still work. and showing to other cancer patients that perhaps if there is doctor's advice , they there is doctor's advice, they can still have as normal life as possible as they're undergoing this treatment. but of course it is all subject to doctor doctor's advice. and just in the back of your minds, think that the princess of wales is still undergoing preventative chemotherapy for her own cancer diagnosis. but this was the

first time we saw the king back on public engagement since his diagnosis back in february . it's diagnosis back in february. it's understood that plans are still very much in the works for him to carry out more public engagements. as we get into those summer months. of course, both cancer and the treatments can have a big effect on immunity, and the king has been advised over the last few months to avoid large crowds. but as we get better weather, more engagements can be held outside and therefore the king perhaps will be well enough to attend. but of course, it's all subject to doctors advice. as i've been saying, we've got trooping the colour, we've got the d—day 80th celebrations, we've got reportedly an australia tour in the autumn as well. all of that is not ruled out, but it is going to be very much if the king is well enough to attend. but we do know the king has been very frustrated over the last few months not being able to carry out out those public engagements. and it appears as we get towards the summer, he's incredibly optimistic that he'll be able to do much more, especially with queen camilla supporting him all the way.

>> absolutely. and when that statement was released by the royal family saying he would be back to official duties soon, i, for one, wasn't expecting it to be so soon. but cameron, i must ask prince harry is back in town next week. will there be a reunion between him and his dad ? reunion between him and his dad? well, we know for sure there's not going to be a reunion between meghan and his dad's. the king. because royal sources have told me that meghan is staying in california, in montecito, and will not be accompanying prince harry to the 10th anniversary service of the invictus games. that's being held at saint paul's cathedral on wednesday. will the king and prince harry share a moment, unconfirmed . they tend to keep unconfirmed. they tend to keep very private about those family moments . if very private about those family moments. if he's going to reconcile with anybody, though, it is going to be his father. the king, i think. i suspect that prince harry and prince william will not be meeting when he's in the country next week, but of course, i suspect it's also only going to be a very

fleeting visit, like it was back in february when prince harry flew across the atlantic following the king's cancer diagnosis. and then harry is going to be very busy flying to nigeria to with meghan for this kind of unofficial royal tour that they appear to be doing. although details are a bit sketchy of that one. >> well, thank you very much indeed for bringing us the very latest. cameron walker, our royal correspondent outside the hospital there, the treatment centre where king charles was. >> go on. i should say that cameron absolutely corrected us. not an mri machine, a ct scanner, ct scanners, take lots of x—rays, mri machines use fancy magnetic fields and a lot bigger or bigger things. but i did say i would get the numbers for you. did you? >> yes. oh, okay. >> yes. oh, okay. >> go on then. okay the nhs has 6.1. mri machines per million people. now that is on par with countries like estonia and slovenia . oh, the us has 38.1 slovenia. oh, the us has 38.1 per million people . the uk has per million people. the uk has 6.1, the us has 38.1. that shows

the scale of difference per million people in terms of number of mri machines. yes it would be quite useful. >> if we had more. it would be don't ever tell me i don't allow you to shine. look at you there with your stats. look i didn't know that off the top of my head, but now i do. very interesting. see, we learn everything. we learn something new every day, but yes, coming up, this is a bit of a weird one.the up, this is a bit of a weird one. the foreign secretary, of course, lord cameron, former prime minister, has been accused of acting like a kardashian. yes, a reality tv star. why well, we'll tell you after the headunes. headlines. >> it's 232. i'm sophia wenzler and the gb news room . your and the gb news room. your headlines. a 13 year old boy has died after a stabbing attack in north—east london. four other people were also injured in the attack in hainaut and have been taken to hospital. a 36 year old man carrying a sword has been arrested . police say they do not

arrested. police say they do not believe the attack was terror related . met police chief related. met police chief superintendent stuart bell spoke at the scene. >> it is with great sadness that i confirm that one of those injured in the incident, a 13 year old boy, has died from their injuries. he was taken to hospital after being stabbed and sadly died a short while after. the child's family are being supported. firstly by my local officers and now with some specialist officers. and everyone across the met is keeping them in our thoughts at this unimaginably difficult time i >> -- >> king charles has returned to official public duties today for the first time since being diagnosed with cancer. he visited a cancer treatment centre alongside the queen to meet medical specialists and patients . the king meet medical specialists and patients. the king has meet medical specialists and patients . the king has been patients. the king has been announced as the new patron of cancer research uk, taking over from his mother, the late queen elizabeth. the government has denied claims it's lost track of

thousands of migrants. it's after a home office report suggested more than half of those set for deportation to rwanda could not be located. according to the figures, just over 2100 identified for removal are in touch with authorities . are in touch with authorities. that's out of 5700. all had been told their asylum claims were inadmissible, but 62% have stopped reporting to the home office and for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. com slash alerts

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next on the channel, and he joins us now. martin, what's coming up on your programme? >> great show. fellas as usual. >> great show. fellas as usual. >> so hot off the press. i've got the latest work visa data, and that is this. 139,000 work visas were granted in the first quarter of this year alone. >> 75% increase in students . >> 75% increase in students. >> 75% increase in students. >> okay, there's a 21% decrease overall, but the government still must try harder. talking of which, how do you lose 3500 asylum seekers who are destined to go to rwanda? well, we'd better ask rishi sunak , the better ask rishi sunak, the prime minister. they've simply vanished into thin air. no one knows where they are. perhaps they've gone to dublin to live in one of the tented cities because they're afraid of being deported to rwanda, and they don't want to come back to the uk. of course, we'll have all the latest on that tragic stabbing in north—east london will be live from the scene for any news as that develops and we'll have a huge debate today from a trans activist and a women's rights activist over the

thorny topic of single sex wars and hospitals. finally, they've been banned. is this common sense, or is it merely adding to the culture war that's on my show? three till six. >> sounds fantastic. martin. i'll be tuning in. but don't call me a fella again. i'm a young woman. but thank you very much indeed, martin. good stuff. looking forward to it. stay tuned for that. you won't want to miss it . tuned for that. you won't want to miss it. now. tuned for that. you won't want to miss it . now. lots of you to miss it. now. lots of you have been demanding that we get to some views and we want to. we want to. it's just been such a fast moving, action packed show for us today with all of the breaking news, but a lot of you have been getting in touch following that interview we had with the irish journalist about the ongoing diplomatic row and the ongoing diplomatic row and the tent cities in dublin and all of that, brendan takes a issue with you, tom. yes. so i'll point it out. he says the irish ministers have said it. rishi has jumped on the bandwagon to say the rwanda bill is working lies from both sides. >> i wasn't saying that what rishi sunak said was right. i was saying that rishi sunak said

it after the irish politicians did. it was a question of sequencing rather than one of veracity. >> yes. absolutely true. i agree with you, tom. i agree with you, tom. they started it, paul says this is just a childish and clumsy attempt by the european union to punish the uk for leaving ireland could quite easily send migrants back to france. it's within their european union, right? is that so? could they easily. could they easily. i remember when we were in the european union it was always very difficult. not that many people were sent back to the european union. >> interesting thing about the dubun >> interesting thing about the dublin agreement when we were members of the eu is that at least in the last couple of years of that agreement, actually more people were returned to the uk than the uk could return to other countries. so it was almost a counterproductive agreement there. the ratios were all off kilter. yes, we could send people back to france, but actually we got more people back in return. >> yes, because people always say, they always say, well, if we were still in the european union, then we wouldn't have a problem with our borders. we'd

be able to control them through this agreement. but actually the statistics show the opposite. the eu would control them and they take people straight from lampedusa, right to london. yeah, they would, they would, and archie says the only solution is to work together. okay. doing what exactly . vie, okay. doing what exactly. vie, and that is a good point. yes. people do say , oh we just all people do say, oh we just all need to work together. but the problem is, is that nations rather like their sovereignty and just to, just to wind up, claudette has said fellas. >> ha ha ha ha ha ha. claudette has said fellas. >>hahahahahaha.| claudette has said fellas. >> ha ha ha ha ha ha . i don't >> ha ha ha ha ha ha. i don't know, is fellas a gender neutral, greeting or is it? anything goes, i think i think fellas, probably not. but guys , fellas, probably not. but guys, i think you can say guys to a group of men and women, and that's. that's okay. >> well, so martin knows i'm not offended. martin knows i'm not snowflake. >> not made of tougher stuff than that. well, shall we move on? because the government has denied claims that it's trying to find all of these missing asylum seekers . after a report asylum seekers. after a report suggested that more than half of the illegal migrants set for deportation to rwanda couldn't

be located by the home office. >> yes, the claim is that essentially the home office has lost these people. so according to the figures, just over 2100 identified for removal are in touch with the authorities. out of 5700 asylum seekers, i think that's about 30, 40, all had been told their asylum claims were inadmissible, but more than half have now stopped reporting to the home office. so >> well, we're joined by gb news home and security editor mark white to make sense of it all, because mark on the face of it, this seems like a bit of an own goal from the government. they said, turn up to your weekly appointment and we'll put you on the rwanda list. and guess what? fewer people are turning up to their weekly appointments. >> well, listen, this is one of the weaknesses of the present system in terms of trying to remove individuals , because it's remove individuals, because it's really only in at the point where that removal is imminent. and they believe there's a

realistic chance that an individual may abscond, that they are put into immigration detention. there are only limited places in immigration detention because already in immigration detention are, for instance, the foreign national offenders who commit crimes , who offenders who commit crimes, who are jailed, who have served a sentence and then are in the process of being removed. they wouldn't be allowed to wander freely, so they are kept in immigration detention and while they're in the final phase, awaiting removal, also , people awaiting removal, also, people that are overstayers here that are in the process of being removed imminently as well. so as i say, detention facilities are limited. so really they are really relying on the trust of an individual and what they've been doing thus far, of course, is to provide free accommodation and a monthly allowance to asylum seekers, which has meant that, of course, a significant number of asylum seekers then stay in contact because they get

the hotel accommodation, the local authority accommodation and that allowance. but even with that , a significant number, with that, a significant number, it seems, are a lot less in contact with the home office than perhaps they should be. as you said in your introduction there, the home office say they haven't lost contact with them as such , they believe that they as such, they believe that they still have the means to be able to trace those individuals, but they're not. perhaps reporting every 2 or 3 weeks to home office, appointment centres . office, appointment centres. because they say that it differs from asylum seeker to asylum seeker. some asylum seekers stay with family and friends, and they have a looser arranged moment, but as the time for their flight to rwanda, should that get off the ground happen, then the chance, of course , of then the chance, of course, of many more actually just disappearing off into the dark

economy so that no one can find them is likely, i think, to grow i >> -- >> well, mark white, thank you very much for joining >> well, mark white, thank you very much forjoining us and talking through that, concerning story. >> yes, indeed . but we're >> yes, indeed. but we're heanng >> yes, indeed. but we're hearing some breaking news we heard from the metropolitan police a little bit earlier after that shocking stabbing attack . the police have attack. the police have confirmed that the boy who , was confirmed that the boy who, was killed is 14 years old, rather than 13 years old. so that's a correction. i think the metropolitan police just got it slightly wrong. 14 year old boy , slightly wrong. 14 year old boy, to confirm, not a 13 year old boy. yeah. >> and this very, very tragic incident. of course, four other individuals, two members of the pubuc individuals, two members of the public and two police officers remain in hospital with serious, albeit not life threatening injuries. >> now, we're going to be back in just a moment to discuss what, lord david cameron has been compared to none other than a kardashian. i think he's like the kardashians. >> well, he once said, emily,

that he was a 13th cousin of the kardashians. surely not. so perhaps, perhaps his lifestyle is aligning with his slightly distant relatives. well spread more light on this , confusing more light on this, confusing story after this

good afternoon. britain. it's coming up to ten minutes to three. but now, despite being required to travel to countries from all over the globe, the labour party have said the foreign secretary's travelling looks more like a kardashians adventures than a british politician . politician. >> now, if you know who the kardashians are , they are kardashians are, they are reality tv stars, and they like to use private jets and they get a lot of criticism for doing so. but they keep doing it. they keep doing it. the labour mp emily thornberry accused lord

cameron of wasting taxpayers money on a private jet for his global movements, rather than traditional commercial planes. now david cameron has been on a lot of trips, hasn't he? he has. he's been very busy indeed. i think per number of days he's been foreign secretary. >> a number of countries and territories visited. he must be he must be the best travelled foreign secretary we've ever had. >> yes, he hit the ground running, at least with the travelling and it's in the air. >> it speaks to the advantages of having a member of the house of having a member of the house of lords in the job. he doesn't have to be back in the house of commons to vote. he doesn't have to see his constituents every weekend because he doesn't have any. he's able to be a full time foreign secretary. we won't be able to clock in and get his daily, daily charge, daily fee or whatever if they still have to do that. >> anyway, let's get the thoughts of former defence minister and labour mp ivor caplin, david cameron is he, like a kardashian? >> if i knew what kardashians were emily, then i'd be able to comment about that, obviously. but in but seriously, this cost

£1.42 million for the five days that he had the plane , in that he had the plane, in wherever he was in asia or something , james cleverly, something, james cleverly, £400,000, just over a under a year ago when he was foreign secretary. now, i'm not against people flying and doing good business for the united kingdom. and that's what the foreign secretary is there for. >> and that's presumably what previous foreign secretaries have done, too . have done, too. >> but this seems to me to be a bit too high in terms of the type of plane that david cameron authorised to be purchased, to be hired for his, five days in asia . asia. >> either you were a minister under tony blair, who famously tried to procure what the press perhaps unfavourably termed blair force one, a private plane for the prime minister of the united kingdom. surely you can see the logic here of not having to fly on easyjet or ryanair. if you're the foreign secretary .

you're the foreign secretary. >> i'm not against, ministers. >> i'm not against, ministers. >> foreign secretary , former, >> foreign secretary, former, defence ministers. >> et cetera. et cetera. i'm not against people flying in private jets because sometimes you have to. >> there are schedule issues. >> there are schedule issues. >> there are moving around issues. >> if you're going to more than one place. >> i mean, i can remember one trip where i went to three, three countries in four countries in three days. well, you can't really do that without actually having some form of the raf, planes that were available to us. that was a different era. let's be honest . but now i don't let's be honest. but now i don't think we have the planes in the raf that could do that sort of job. and that's probably why the foreign secretary thought this was a good idea . in some ways it was a good idea. in some ways it was, but in the, in the sense of was, but in the, in the sense of was it the right thing to do ? was it the right thing to do? probably there were other options. and he should probably have, thought about that beforehand. >> ivor, you said you didn't

know who the kardashians are. there are reality tv stars and business entrepreneurs now who are most well known , probably are most well known, probably for their big bottoms, curvaceous behinds , that's what curvaceous behinds, that's what they're best known for. but apparently david cameron couldn't possibly comment on that for sure. >> tom. >> tom. >> tom. >> tom told me earlier that actually david cameron, a few years ago, claimed that he's a 13th cousin of the kardashians. so perhaps this is in in in his blood to, take the private jet lifestyle. >> i think we are really stretching the idea at this moment in time. that's all i can say to that. >> well, let's let's let's return to the substance of this, then , because, my goodness, then, because, my goodness, david cameron was on a trip around all of the countries sandwiched between russia and china , kazakhstan, uzbekistan china, kazakhstan, uzbekistan and the like. important trading partners for the uk. this is about uk plc , how we project about uk plc, how we project ourselves around the world. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> well that's that's that's that's absolutely right.

>> and of course the foreign secretary and other ministers will need to do that. but i don't quite understand why . and don't quite understand why. and i don't know who else was on the, on the plane, that's for sure, but usually in ministerial circles you would take a, a, a group of people . so if i go back group of people. so if i go back to that, that one where i was, in, in various countries , we've in, in various countries, we've completely run out of time. >> hold that thought. we'll have to speak to you again very soon. ivor caplin, former defence minister and labour mp. that's it from us. >> but up next it's martin daubney. so don't go anywhere . daubney. so don't go anywhere. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> afternoon. >> afternoon. >> welcome to your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news. >> more of the same for the rest of today. it's been a fine day so far across much of the east, and we'll hang on to some sunny spells here, but further west a lot of cloud. further outbreaks

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gb news. >> a very, very good afternoon to you. it's 3 pm. and welcome to you. it's 3 pm. and welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news. we're broadcasting live from the heart of westminster and all across the uk . on and all across the uk. on today's show, a 14 year old boy is killed and several people , is killed and several people, including two police officers injured in a stabbing spree by a man with a sword. we'll be live in east london for updates on this fast moving scene . next up, this fast moving scene. next up, the government denies thousands of migrants set to be deported

to rwanda have simply disappeared . and that's despite disappeared. and that's despite their own report, which suggests that contact with them has been completely lost. where on earth have they vanished to? next up, the nhs is set to make a u—turn on gender ideology by declaring at last that sex is a matter of biology. it's the tide about to turn on the trans debate and the happy side. we've all been waiting for. yes, the king returning to public duty with a visit to a cancer centre as he takes on a new role to help fight this disease. magnificent scenes. that's all coming up in your next hour. welcome to the show. always a delight to have your company also in the show. hot off the press. so hot. in fact, this paper burns me to the touch. the latest data on visas