. i'm not sure how from gaza. i'm not sure how popular that would have been with the vast majority of people in scotland. he overrode the decision to initially hand. i think it was £100,000 worth of scottish taxpayers money to the united nations. he gave them a quarter of £1 million. that was whilst his relatives were still in gaza and of course, did he make was the fatal decision to end that power sharing agreement with the scottish greens. >> he stood there, he said he was going to run a new government. he put out letters to different people of different parties to try and get some kind of cooperation. it does appear as if that's dead in the water. now, should we go to our scotland reporter tony mcguire , scotland reporter tony mcguire, who is there in edinburgh for us.7 tony, bring us up to date . us.7 tony, bring us up to date. >> good morning. is it morning .7 >> good morning. is it morning? it's hard to tell. everything is quite so fast moving here. it's so electric , as you were just so electric, as you were just saying. there. there is at least probably about 50 to 60 members of the public here on top about

the same again worth of media. it's a really busy little corner of edinburgh that's waiting to see what is going to be happening, what is going to be said. and obviously the huge expectation is that humza yousaf is going to resign and we are going to head into that crucial 28 day period where scotland, scotland's national party, needs that new leader and certainly a few names already. we haven't even had the statement yet , and even had the statement yet, and already we're hearing a few names. the likes of john swinney, who is nicola sturgeon's deputy first minister. we've also heard angus robertson, who is obviously one of the more established snp members up here in scotland, and then of course , kate forbes. she then of course, kate forbes. she had a crack last time. she just narrowly missed out to humza yousaf. but indeed, afterjust 13 months, we are now likely to be seeing the end of humza yousafs tenure as first minister of scotland. >> tony, we'll stop it there and we'll take it live this is humza yousaf. >> can i thank you all for coming . last week i stood to

coming. last week i stood to here announce the ending of the cooperation agreement between the snp and the greens, the bute house agreement and that the snp would seek to govern as a minority government. i made that decision as leader of the snp as i believed ending the bute house agreement was the right one for the party. i lead, and i still do believe that to be the case. but most importantly, i believe it was the right decision for the country. my hope was to continue working with the greens in a less formal arrangement. as the snp moved into a new phase of minority government . of minority government. unfortunately, in ending the bute house agreement in the manner that i did, i clearly underestimated the level of hurt and upset that caused green colleagues for a minority government to be able to govern effectively and efficiently. trust that when working with the

opposition, is clearly fundamental. and while a route through this week's motion of no confidence was absolutely possible , i am not willing to possible, i am not willing to trade my values and principles or do deals with whomever simply for retaining power. or do deals with whomever simply for retaining power . therefore, for retaining power. therefore, after spending the weekend reflecting on what is best for my party, for the government and for the country i lead, i've concluded that repairing our relationship across the political divide can only be done with someone else at the helm . i have therefore informed helm. i have therefore informed the snp's national secretary of my intention to stand down as party leader and ask that she commences a leadership contest for my replacement as soon as possible in order to ensure a smooth and orderly transition. it is my intention to continue as first minister until my successor has been elected, particularly as a parliament will be debating some incredibly

important legislation in the coming days and the coming weeks. i cannot tell you what an honour it is. being the first minister of the country, i love the country. i'm raising my family in and the only country i will ever call home. as a young boy, born and raised in scotland , i could never have dreamt that one day i would have the privilege of leading my country . privilege of leading my country. people who looked like me were not in positions of political influence , let alone leading influence, let alone leading governments. when i was younger. but we now live in a uk that has a british hindu prime minister, a british hindu prime minister, a muslim mayor of london, a black welsh first minister and for a little while longer, the scottish first minister of this country . so for those who decry country. so for those who decry that multiculturalism has failed across the uk, i would suggest that the evidence is quite to the contrary and that is something we should all celebrate. i've had the honour

of serving in government for almost 12 years in a variety of roles. whatever position i held dunng roles. whatever position i held during my time in politics, i have always been guided by my values . as first minister, i am values. as first minister, i am incredibly proud to have a fair tax system, the most progressive in the uk, with those who earn the most, contribute the most and it will always be my core belief that in a country as rich as ours, wealth must be far more evenly distributed . i have no evenly distributed. i have no doubt at all that whoever takes over from me will continue the scottish government's drive to reduce child poverty. i am proud that through our actions and estimated 100,000 children are expected to be lifted out of poverty this year. i also hope that as a country, we can be really proud of the strides that we have made to tackle inequality , prejudice and inequality, prejudice and discrimination. but let's also acknowledge that far too often in our country , hatred continues

in our country, hatred continues to rear its ugly head . in to rear its ugly head. in a world where every issue, every issue seems to descend into a toxic culture war, it is often the most marginalised in our society who bear the brunt as politicians of all political parties we are afforded, we are privileged to have a platform. each and every one of us must resist the temptation of populism at the expense of minorities, particularly in a general election year. i've often said that as a minority myself , my rights don't exist in myself, my rights don't exist in a vacuum. that only protected because the rights of everyone are protected . and from the back are protected. and from the back benches of the scottish parliament, i will continue to champion the voices and the rights of those . the rights and rights of those. the rights and the voices of those who are not often heard. be that at home or indeed overseas, such as those suffering and continue to suffer. the most horrific humanitarian catastrophe in gaza. as the world watches on,

let me say to my snp family, i will always be with you. i will always campaign alongside you. we have had setbacks in our movement, but we have overcome them and we will do so again . them and we will do so again. independence feels frustratingly close and believe me, no one, no one feels that frustration more than the leader of the snp. but the last few miles of the marathon are always the hardest and we have run this race as a team and i now will prepare to pass the baton to successor, who i am absolutely certain will lead us over the finish line and i will tell you today what i will say to that successor . will say to that successor. first ministers get to meet countless inspirational people in communities across scotland , in communities across scotland, working to make life better for those around them . first those around them. first ministers get to see first hand many of the exciting businesses and industries that will power scotland's future . and whenever scotland's future. and whenever first ministers set foot beyond

scotland's shores, no matter where they go in europe or across the world, they encounter friends and admirers of our nation. if only every person in scotland could be afforded the opportunity of being first minister for just one opportunity of being first minister forjust one day on the minister for just one day on the very next day , is my belief that very next day, is my belief that they would vote for independence with both their head and their heart. to my fellow msps of all political persuasions, next week is a crucial milestone . we mark is a crucial milestone. we mark 25 years of devolution . we have 25 years of devolution. we have an electoral system that is designed for no political party to have an overall majority . to have an overall majority. devolution is founding fathers and mothers rightly in their wisdom, believe that no one loses out by politicians sharing wisdom, sharing counsel, sharing ideas, but the converse is also true. that is why i would make an appeal to colleagues from across the political spectrum that while government, of course, must act in good faith,

so must the opposition and be prepared to collaborate with us, not just oppose for opposition's sake the only people who suffer as a result of such an impasse are the very public that we seek to serve politics and politicians, not unreasonably, i'm afraid, have often been maligned. however i truly believe that when we get it right and often we do , we are right and often we do, we are a force for good that can transform people's lives for the better. so do my colleagues and opposition, regardless of political party, are genuinely do wish you well. i bear no ill will and certainly bear no grudge against anyone. politics can be a brutal business. it takes its toll on your physical and mental health. your family suffer alongside you. i am in absolute debt to my wonderful wife , my beautiful children and wife, my beautiful children and my wider family for putting up with me over the years. i'm

afraid you will be seeing a lot more of me, from now you are truly everything to me. and although of course , as you can although of course, as you can tell, i am sad that my time as first minister is ending. but i am so grateful. i'm so blessed for having the opportunity that are afforded to so few to lead my country , and who could ask my country, and who could ask for a better country to lead than scotland? thank you very much , first minister, first much, first minister, first minister, miscalculation. >> have you let the party in a worse state than you found it? what's your biggest regret? >> wow , very interesting indeed. >> wow, very interesting indeed. humza yousaf just made his statement he will be resigning no questions , no questions taken no questions, no questions taken there by the first minister from there by the first minister from the press who were gathering there. he started off, didn't he, by talking about how he still thinks the decision to end the bute house agreement with the bute house agreement with the scottish greens was the best decision. he still thinks it's the best decision for the

country. he wanted to make it work, but unfortunately it won't work, but unfortunately it won't work . he thought there was work. he thought there was a route through the vote of no confidence, but he's decided to now step down. >> yeah, i mean, there were obvious points to discuss straight off the bat, though . straight off the bat, though. he's not going to trade his values simply to retain power. but of course, the reason why he was in this mess, because he traded his values when it came to the scottish greens, because he realised that they were quite unpopular. he says he's going to continue until a successor is found, but he, along with, i imagine most people are looking forward to that successor being found quite quickly . he said found quite quickly. he said that people who looked like him were not in positions of political influence. he managed to crowbar in a heck of a lot about multiculturalism and diversity. they're mentioning that we have a british hindu prime minister, a black first minister in wales, obviously himself, while he was in post there and while he continues to be in post in scotland and so he was very, very strong on that, which i know will have , yes, which i know will have, yes, raised is quite emotional at the end . end. >> wasn't he there a few tears

shed perhaps. he said he'll miss being first minister, said he dreamt of it as a young boy, or he would never have dreamt of it as a young boy. but yes, lots in there about hatred, about how it's continuing to rear its ugly head and that every issue these days descends into toxic culture war. he warned with the upcoming general election that people should look across divides, that we should be more tolerant of one another, and that we shouldn't talk about things to do with toxicity, he said. >> as well, we shouldn't just you shouldn't just be opposing thing for opposition's sake. i can imagine quite a few of you would have been shouting at your radio sets and television sets there thinking, well, hang on a minute, what happened during the pandemic when nicola sturgeon did manage to blame people from england for spreading coronavirus in scotland and he's trying to set out his legacy okay, which is important when you see these leaders who are frankly quitting in unceremonial circumstances as they try to set out their store 100,000 children out their store 100,000 children out of poverty , he says. out of poverty, he says. tackling inequality and discrimination, he said he says hatred continues. i think that's a reference there to his incredibly misjudged and quite

calamitous hate crime bill. so he's trying to say that he's he's trying to say that he's he's been doing that. >> and he says and he says wealth more evenly redistributed around scotland. well, that might be because, lots and lots of wealthy scots have fled the country due to those tax increases . so that's country due to those tax increases. so that's going to lead to a little more inequality, isn't it? >> we're going to take you right back to the scene now because tony mcguire, our reporter, is outside the sse is there. he goes right tony. so what's the initial reaction to humza yousaf quitting ? quitting? >> well, i still think it came as much of a surprise to anybody up here in scotland. we saw which way that the needle was turning and certainly ever since last thursday and that axing of the bute house agreement. well, you know, it seemed to be that one thing went after another into the worst direction for humza yousaf. obviously, he did try quite desperately over the weekend to get support from those opposition leaders that

failed. it then turned that ash regan and the alba party would be his his last hope. and then of course, he he had to look and sought support from the greens, support from alba, either which way or my party will tear itself apart. so for this to happen today isn't really coming as much of a surprise . now, of much of a surprise. now, of course, a lot is what you said there about this talk of hatred. you know, this obviously this hate crime and public order act is fresh in the memory for a lot of people , not just its of people, not just its influence on free speech, but, you know, the way that it steered quite heavily the trans identity debate , you know, and identity debate, you know, and over the last month, i would say a lot of people like, hear one thing over and over and over again, and it's that he must think that scotland is this hateful country . where every hateful country. where every corner of, of the nation is, is in, embedded with hatred. and it's, you know, that has been one of the major criticisms of that bill. we also heard there, of course, that you know, him setting out his legacy and very

much that was, you know , going much that was, you know, going to always be quite a short list for a 13 month first minister. but certainly, of course , the but certainly, of course, the idea that this bute house agreement with the greens for many people was a calamity from from the beginning, it was supposed to provide stability to snp voting intention in the parliament. and in the end, well, it's cost him his job. >> thank you very much indeed. tony mcguire there. our scotland reporter outside bute house in edinburgh. >> yes, indeed . well look, we're >> yes, indeed. well look, we're going to welcome to the fray now scottish mp angus macneil, angus , i imagine you're quite happy about this because you were a proud member of the snp. you were very critical of humza yousaf policies. certainly that bute house agreement for, as i understand , and that. well, i understand, and that. well, i don't know if you'd say cost you your job, don't know if you'd say cost you yourjob, but don't know if you'd say cost you your job, but you don't know if you'd say cost you yourjob, but you quit anyway, you ' go rjob, b u t you q uit a nywa y, yourjob, but you quit anyway, go on. your reaction to this then ? then? >> well, i think it was inevitable. >> i mean, humza has said that

he don't do opposition for opposition's sake, but quite a number of his party have done opposition for opposition sake because they're very worried over the weekend that alex salmond could become de facto first minister. and that is the thing that really, drives an awful lot within the snp. and to understand it, perhaps for your, listeners and viewers , is that, listeners and viewers, is that, you know, the monty python esque the judean liberation front didn't like the people's liberation front of judea and what have you, and so on and so forth. and that's basically why they find themselves. >> he does leave a question hanging, though. is he going immediately or is he going over a matter of months? if he's going immediately, he helps the sturgeon and the swinney easters because they can get somebody in there quickly without going to there quickly without going to the party membership. if he goes over a matter of months, then it's over to the party membership. and probably kate forbes would be the choice. then the problem for those who have been done the grey kilts and stabbed him in the back at the moment is that they don't want kate forbes either. and they

fear, what might come with that too, so very interesting times in the snp. and i think the netflix , drama series that's netflix, drama series that's ongoing at the moment, this club utter mess, if you like, has not ended. >> i mean, it is incredibly dramatic. i mean, humza yousaf did say did say that he wanted a leadership contest as soon as possible. but you're saying this could take months? >> well, it's one of two routes. if it's as soon as possible, then the hierarchy get who they want in. if it's longer, the membership get who they want in, and those two might not necessarily match either . i necessarily match either. i mean, i think one of the things he did say, which i did agree with, is independence is closer. and regardless of the omnishambles going on within the snp at the moment, the scottish electorate are mature enough to understand that independence is not the gift of one party as it isn't in other normal independent countries either. so thatis independent countries either. so that is one aspect of hope that we've got going going forward in scotland. but there's a lot of

there's a lot of trouble and mess that's been left behind. with humza being the continuity candidate from sturgeon and basically a lot of bampot policies, which he should have u—turned on immediately, not slowly and screechingly through 13 months of premiership. >> well, we'll come on to independence cause that is an important issue. but i'd just like to pick up on where you left off there, these balm pot policies, as you said, you've got the hate crime bill. i mean, i know there's been a huge amount of gender identity stuff that's been doing the rounds as well. some quite rabid green things which, you know, clearly haven't worked out . is this now, haven't worked out. is this now, do you think a wake up call to people who want to be hyper woke, ultra progressive in politics, that actually those policies do not have mass appeal and you will end up being turfed out of office if you try to implement them. >> it should be a wake up call, but i do think that the thing i alluded to earlier about the quick first minister or the first minister being chosen by the membership , will will tell the membership, will will tell you that a quick first minister will probably mean a

continuation of the sturgeon legacy. another continuity candidate. the policy is supporter, would likely emerge there. and this will be a fascinating point, and certainly one of the most difficult and awkward policies i've had to deal with. and i was still in the snp, was the idea of highly protected marine areas where they're going to designate 10% of scotland's seas as untouched area, or areas to be untouched by fishing, but they weren't going to tell you which 10% until they pass the legislation so they could decimate people's livelihoods. with a stroke of a pen. and we, you know, we saw them off for that one. but it was a real difficulty that they were coming up with such nonsense. and the green influence was there something else that's maybe significant that people have missed today? is that the humza, resignation must have the nod and a wink from the greens in that if they do go quick for another first minister and then the greens were at best abstain because if the greens were to oppose and as

regan was to oppose along with the other opposition parties, then they'd be heading for elections. so the snp at the moment are only alive. they're probably on a life support machine with the greens having their finger on the switch, but they must be quite confident the greens won't flick the switch on them because we go to an election right now with this omnishambles of the snp, you know, the voters just don't like this stuff in any country, and you know why the why the voters want independence. they're not supporting the snp. it's not translating to snp support. >> absolutely . angus. and one of >> absolutely. angus. and one of the most popular or most seen clips of humza yousaf is, of course , him standing in the course, him standing in the parliament talking about how so many positions of power are occupied by white people. white. and that, of course, was actually reported to the police perhaps 1800 times, i believe with this new hate crime bill, he used his speech to here talk a lot about multiculturalism, didn't he? talked about how hatred continues to rear its ugly head. he talks about how

every issue in politics descends into toxic culture. he talks about how he is a pioneer , a about how he is a pioneer, a representative of those who are marginalised , and that each and marginalised, and that each and every person must resist populism at the expense of minorities. is that what, humza yousaf went into for ? politics yousaf went into for? politics >> well, he went into into politics firstly for scottish independence. but like many of them, they got sidetracked with all sorts of stuff. but i mean, i think he's he's bowed to the populism within the, within the snp at the moment, which is an allergic hatred of alex salmond and alex salmond came forward at the weekend with ash regan with anidea the weekend with ash regan with an idea for independence. now, it wouldn't matter how good an idea the independence, even if they're offering independence tomorrow, the allergic reaction would be they would go and become unionists, probably, which is a sad indictment of the way things have become, for some in scotland, they have lost their focus on independence and humza could have focused on independence. he's wasted 13 months of his premiership to

achieve precisely nothing . on achieve precisely nothing. on independence. he took off for nicola sturgeon, left off after the supreme court in a pretty clueless position. we can only hope that the next first minister is there to harness what is inevitable, the inevitable support within the scottish voters for independence. yeah, let's hope that happens. >> let me come in on that , >> let me come in on that, angus, just a final one with you. and it is on independence . you. and it is on independence. i appreciate that. you obviously are, you know, want to continue to fight the good fight as far as you're concerned and independent. you know what? independence is alive and kicking and all of that. i've got to ask, when you look at humza yousafs track record at the moment, and this was as first minister, and you think that there was the, the contraction of the scottish economy, there was the missed a&e targets. there was, you know, however many thousand, 12,400 train cancellations, all of that stuff. his legacy there is transport minister as well. he was even fined for driving without insurance when his health minister, he had to employ a new minister for nhs recovery. and he follows on from nicola sturgeon as well. he was also privy to a little balm pot

policy of her own. i mean, come on, do you think the people of scotland really want to be entirely led by people like that? angus well, you've made a good list there of, scotland is not succeeding in the uk and you could put a different list as to why ireland is succeeding. >> having left line, if i can just finish the track record, you're right. isn't good, but the people are mature enough . the people are mature enough. and in countries like iceland, where at times they've had indifferent , governments there, indifferent, governments there, the solution has not been to give up on icelandic independence and to go back to denmark. it's to vote in angus, the scottish public. >> they may be looking not only at independence again, but they may be looking again at the whole concept of devolution. for scotland. it could be as bad as that. it could be. >> i think westminster is blocking the vote for a reason. they know well we'll win. >> all right, angus , thank you >> all right, angus, thank you very much. and, yeah, great to have you on the show and all the best and great pleasure. thank you. all right. all the best. angus. angus mcneil, the scottish mp. look, a couple of things to just remind you of

that we've got coming a little bit later on this hour. because another massive topic for you is, is the ongoing, massive epic row over illegal immigration thatis row over illegal immigration that is doing the rounds now between britain or the uk. i should say, and the republic of ireland. we as it stands, we've got a press conference later on today on that. the irish want us today on that. the irish want us to take back illegal immigrants. we're saying no. if we can't give them to france, then why should we take them back from you? so keep your eyes peeled for that. we've got the mark white exclusive on illegal migrants using children as human shields as well . and we believe shields as well. and we believe that john swinney, the man who may take over from humza yousaf, is going to be talking live on this show at 115. so lots coming your way . your way. >> but now, yes, indeed. and also tim loughton, tim loughton mp, who was detained and deported from djibouti in africa, will be getting to well , africa, will be getting to well, finding out what on earth happened there. but anyway joining us now to discuss what's happening with humza yousaf and scotland , the former scottish scotland, the former scottish editor of the telegraph, alan cochrane, alan, thank you very much indeed forjoining us. your

reaction to that speech, no questions were taken from the press. it was a reasonably long speech, quite emotional there at the end . the end. >> yeah, i've had a lot of resignation speeches in my time and that wasn't bad. you've got to be a wee bit kindest as i never have been to humza. and this one i wasn't. it wasn't bad. he made the best of a bad job, basically, as he's done with being first minister, he wasn't much good at that either. no, i feel i feel sorry for him, but it was a completely stupid move. he made last week. do you expect you'd be forgiven for summoning two of his ministers in before breakfast, sacking them and chucking them out into them and chucking them out into the street and expecting them to take it on the chin and smile? it was inevitable they were going to resort to violence. and they have. and he's he's the loser. >> yeah. i mean, alan, wasn't this whole thing inevitable ? is this whole thing inevitable? is it fair to say that humza yousaf is a man who's failed upwards ? is a man who's failed upwards? >> well, he didn't fail upwards and he failed upwards for the simple reason as nicola sturgeon not canny lady, decided when she

was resigning , she didn't want was resigning, she didn't want all of her legacy to disappear. so she lit upon this poor guy humza yousaf, who wasn't the brightest in her cabinet and she said he'll do and he has had to inherit this appalling legacy that she donated to the scottish people to and her own party. basically, this coalition with the greens , i mean, a party the greens, i mean, a party which is very little common ground with scottish people. i mean, if you listen to some of them this morning, they say that them this morning, they say that the humza has been captured by the humza has been captured by the conservative right of his party. now, what what they're talking about is the economy, education, infrastructure , all education, infrastructure, all the things that people regard as important and that you and i would say were sensible policies . and but instead of following that agenda to the one that people like, the one that labour

and the tories are going to kill each other over in the coming months, they went off on the stupid tangent of gender reform, hate crimes and the public just didn't wear it. so i think most people be, you know, personal feelings aside, be glad to see him going. and for goodness sake, can we please put the sturgeon legacy to bed ? sturgeon legacy to bed? >> alan, does this show really that these types of policies, these woke policies, if we can call them that, simply are not popular with the british public? >> i mean, poll after poll by the great john cutler have confirmed this, that they do want their kids educated, they do want their operations done in nhs hospitals without having to wait over a year for them. they don't want an argument over whether a boy is a boy or whether a boy is a boy or whether a boy is a boy or whether a girl is a man, and all that nonsense that we've had from the nationalists. and that's where it erupted this time last year.

that's where it erupted this time last year . sorry, about 18 time last year. sorry, about 18 months ago when people realised what this gender reform legislation was all about, imposed by the greens, imposed by the greens on a simple minded nationalist majority. and boy, are they reaping the whirlwind now. and their best policy. their only policy independence. forget it . forget it. >> okay. all right. and look, what does this mean for independence? we've spoken about the idea now that the legacy of humza yousaf is one of failed woke policies that, you know, do more to divide them, bring us together. really? i think there's also, hopefully, the legacy of nicola sturgeon being deadin legacy of nicola sturgeon being dead in the water. but i mean, her overarching thing was scottish independence and, you know, staring down the barrel probably of a labour government in scotland, i would imagine now, is independence finished as a pipe dream? humza yousaf killed off independence . killed off independence. >> well, i think he's played a big part in doing so. i mean , big part in doing so. i mean, i'll give i'll give him this. there are, there's 3,040% of

scots still support independence. but surely to goodness, they'll see the chaos that their country has been plunged into by by this nonsense, i mean, it's a humiliation. it's an embarrassment to be scottish and have this these labels attached to the country. i can't imagine that that 30 or 40, or at least ihopei that that 30 or 40, or at least i hope i shouldn't imagine that that 30 or 40% support for independence will remain. it's got to start disappearing. and let's have a normal government pursuing normal policies to improve the lot of the scottish people. dead simple . people. dead simple. >> okay. look, alan, thank you very, very much. alan cochrane there, who used to be the editor of the scottish daily telegraph, yeah. look, okay, so in case you are just joining us and you've been living on the moon with your fingers in your ears, humza yousaf is almost gone. anyway. he said he's going to resign. they're looking for a successor. that could happen quite quickly. and he will cling on until then, he was very keen to point out,

wasn't he, that he is. you know, when he was growing up, no one that looked like him was in office. well, unfortunately, someone that looked a lot like humza yousaf was only in office for a year and one month. so it didn't particularly work out too well. he's saying that they're going to try and find a successor, but yeah, it's fully imploded up in scotland, and he made sure to sing the praises of devolution . devolution. >> and he said, you know, this election system is not made for majority governments. and it could have worked. it could have worked . but he decided this was worked. but he decided this was the right decision at this moment. so we're going to bring you more reaction to that, but also there's a lot else going on, particularly a diplomatic row brewing over the weekend, but streaming out into today over illegal immigration. ireland, accusing the united kingdom of allowing asylum seekers and illegal migrants into their country. they want to deport them back to the united kingdom. we're saying, well, hang on, we can't deport illegal migrants back to france. so therefore the row continues.

>> well, this is this is this is a great story . okay. really a great story. okay. really great on numerous different levels. firstly, the people of ireland aren't happy about what's been going on and this is some pictures now of one of many protests that have been taking place right across ireland. ireland, with a population of just a few million , has had at just a few million, has had at least another 1 million people least another1 million people essentially forced upon it by another incredibly woke government over there . now government over there. now you've got around 80% of asylum seekers coming from the uk into the republic of ireland. so they're having to deal with that. and they also the irish high court did decide that the uk wasn't a safe country anymore to return people to , because we to return people to, because we might send them to rwanda. okay. well this is you reap what you sow, don't you? but later on we're going to be hearing about this diplomatic row. we've also got an exclusive for you migrants using children as human shields on the beaches of calais and the european union being massively hypocritical, saying that they are going to look into their own version of the rwanda

plan. >> absolutely. all of that to come. so stay with us. of course. more reaction on humza yousaf. but let's get your headunes yousaf. but let's get your headlines with sam francis . headlines with sam francis. >> patrick. emily, thank you very much . and good afternoon. very much. and good afternoon. from the newsroom, a recap of that breaking news this lunchtime. humza yousaf has announced his resignation as first minister of scotland. he's also stepping down as snp leader. he'll continue, though, in his post until a replacement is found. the first minister was battling for political survival after terminating a power sharing deal between the snp and scottish greens last week. he says he made the decision in order to repair relationships across the scottish political divide. >> i could never have dreamt that one day i would have the privilege of leading my country. people who looked like me were not in positions of political influence , let alone leading influence, let alone leading governments. when i was younger.

but we now live in a uk that has a british hindu prime minister, a british hindu prime minister, a muslim mayor of london, a black welsh first minister and for a little while longer, the scots first minister of this country. so for those who decry that multiculturalism has failed across the uk, i would suggest that the evidence is quite to the contrary . the contrary. >> well, in some other news, breaking just in the last few minutes from salford, where we understand two men have been charged with murder after a torso was found in a nature reserve. greater manchester police believe more human remains found at two locations belong to the same victim. they say for more crime scenes have now been opened after the initial discovery of the body parts three and a half weeks ago, officers are also saying they are confident that the body parts belong to a man in his 60s. a rescue operation is underway in the english channel, with a migrant boat running into trouble off the coast of calais. that comes as senior border

force officials have raised concerns that people making the crossing are using children as they say, human shields, to evade police. in the last week, over 900 people arrived in the uk with 359 migrants intercepted on saturday alone. 51 of those were rescued after running aground . that's the latest from aground. that's the latest from the newsroom. plenty more to come with patrick and emily throughout the afternoon. until then, do sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the code on your screen, or go to gb news. com slash alerts

i >> welcome back to good afternoon, britain with me and emily carver. now, look, we've got loads coming your way, massive , massive, massive massive, massive, massive amounts of migration news today. okay, so we've got a gb news

exclusive that children are being used as human shields by illegal migrants on the beaches of calais. we also have that story that the eu hypocritically, anyway , is now hypocritically, anyway, is now looking to copy the rwanda plan. essentially, it'll be interesting to see whether they get the same backlash that they've given us over it, and massive, massive story about what's going on with this huge diplomatic row between ourselves and the republic of ireland. really, it's more the republic of ireland arguing with us, isn't it? they want us to take back illegal immigrants. we're saying, well, hang on a minute. no, we can't return them to france. we've got all of that coming your way. >> yes. and of course, gb news exclusive that children are being used as human shields to essentially stop police getting to them and puncturing their small boats. mark white has that exclusive for us, exclusive footage to gb news, so you won't want to miss that. but before that, let's get back to the huge news that humza yousaf has now stepped down as first minister in scotland. >> yes, mr once incredibly woke and now his government has just gone broke . should we just gone broke. should we just remind ourselves quickly if this was as recently as friday, he

said this? >> no, i fully intend to, not just win that vote, but i intend to fight to make sure that the government stays, not just the government stays, not just the government continues to deliver on the priorities of the people , on the priorities of the people, like, for example, investing in affordable housing. so there's all that political game playing happening from the opposition. it will not be taking part . it it will not be taking part. it will be getting, of course, on with the job. and when the vote comes , i fully intend to win. comes, i fully intend to win. >> oh , he's changed his tune, >> oh, he's changed his tune, hasn't he? he's changed its tune. it's been a difficult weekend. >> it's a tough weekend. tough. >> it's a tough weekend. tough. >> he's trying to make friends. he was trying to make friends. he was trying to make friends. he was trying to make friends. he was trying to find people to cooperate him, cooperate with him. but alas, no, he has resigned. >> well, we're joined now by political commentator, former snp member stuart crawford as well, stuart. okay. i mean, humza yousaf, they're saying that he underestimated the amount of hurt that he caused to the greens. he says he won't compromise his values in order to retain power, i suppose unfortunately for him it is values were deeply unpopular and now he's gone , correct. and my

now he's gone, correct. and my view is. and i don't want to kick a man when he's down because i think that's, deeply unfair. >> he should never have been in the job of first minister in the first place. >> and he's only he was only there or placed there, by by the, if you like. >> the legacy of nicola sturgeon to continue her program in government and it came badly unstuck. >> so he's had to go . he should >> so he's had to go. he should have been then the job in the first place. his resignation speak to my view, was overly long, overly emotional and pressed too many of the right on topics like independence, gaza, mental health, race, etc. etc, and so and so. he's gone, there's a thing called the dunning—kruger effect, which in layman's terms means that you're not bright enough to understand your own lack of capabilities . your own lack of capabilities. and i think he's a classic example of it. >> that's that is funny. yes, i

mean, he was he was named a trailblazer by the great and the good, the times magazine, they saw him as this progressive light in the united kingdom , for light in the united kingdom, for scotland, was he the most overpromoted man in britain? >> well, i think it was definitely the most overpromoted man in scotland i can think of, other contenders for that title in britain , but no, he was in britain, but no, he was completely out of his depth and, you know, i don't want to be rude about him because i'm sure that essentially he's a he's a fairly nice person, but, he was like a you know, he was completely out of his depth as first minister. and i'm sure it's a huge relief for scotland as a whole that he's gone. but i'm sure it will also be a huge relief for him and his family that he's no longer the punchbag of the commentariat. if you like i >> -- >> look, stuart, thank you very, very much. and we watch this space to see how quickly they manage to replace humza yousaf and what exactly happens now.

but. stuart crawford there talking to us from scotland. now, look, i very much indeed draw your attention to another story we're going to be discussing a bit later on. it's remarkable this, however deeply , remarkable this, however deeply, deeply predictable, more than 1000 people marched to hamburg on saturday calling for a caliphate, a sharia caliphate in germany that be backed by. yeah. so, i mean, this is what many people have been fearing. we were told, oh, it's racist. it's racist. if you worry that this kind of level of mass immigration from muslim countries, if this could cause it. oh, no, you can't possibly mention that. well, there we are right now, watching people in germany calling for a caliphate openly calling for a caliphate in a german city. >> i mean, it is shocking stuff. we've seen similar before. we've seen people calling forjihad in this country, on the streets of

london. now germany facing many problems of its own, as we can see by that footage, they're openly calling for a caliphate, an islamic state in the liberal democracy of germany. now, this was meant to be a demonstration against islamophobia. but as we see with many of these types of protests, they can get hijacked by extremist voices, in this case by people who are openly calling for an islamic caliphate in germany . in germany. >> and this is the point, isn't it? the irony here we are watching here a massive , massive watching here a massive, massive amount of irony. people saying this is a march against islamophobia. and then at that march, they call for the installation of an islamic caliphate. and you think, well, i'm sorry, it's not islamophobic, is it? to say, i don't really fancy that. i don't really fancy that in britain. i quite like the way we live our lives . and where are the woke lives. and where are the woke bngade lives. and where are the woke brigade on this? humza yousaf has just done a speech talking about how multiculturalism has clearly worked. okay he's a big fan of the eu, isn't he? does he maybe want to go to hamburg and then report back from there

about how multiculturalism is going at the moment? yes. >> he talks a lot about hate, didn't he? he talks a lot about hate and how we have toxic culture wars that are fabricated in our politics. i wonder you know, if these types of leaders have something to say about this. we're going to be speaking to an expert on this later on in the show. but this is just a little bit of a heads up to what we're going to be talking about in hamburg. people openly calling for an islamic caliphate. >> and it's not just hamburg, is it? we've seen the old jihad calls over here at the weekend. they had to put a bag over a holocaust memorial stone because there was a big protest taking place. look, this is a huge problem. it's a problem for western europe. many people think we let that problem in. do we? gbnews.com/yoursay? yes >> please do get in your views. gbnews.com/yoursay next. coming up gb news exclusive children are being used as human shields to stop police getting term . to stop police getting term. we're talking about channel migrants. of course. we'll be with you very soon, so stay

us. well, very good afternoon. britain to you. now senior border force officials have told gb news they are deeply alarmed that channel migrants are now using their own children as human shields to stop police getting to them and puncturing their small boats. >> yeah, so they're also extremely concerned by the rapidly growing levels of violence facing french police, who've been threatened and attacked by migrants with machetes and other weapons. of course, they're all on their way here, aren't they? >> yes. well, our home and security editor, mark white, was given exclusive access to the small boats operational command in dover and was shown the type of small boat authorities say are dangerously unseaworthy . are dangerously unseaworthy. >> this is a rare look inside the small boats operational command at dover harbour. the small boats operational command at dover harbour . as we command at dover harbour. as we filmed the border force vessel

defender was alongside offloading another 66 channel migrants. the latest of more than 7000 who have arrived here so far this year. and this their mode of transport, large but extremely flimsy inflatable rafts made for the criminal gangsin rafts made for the criminal gangs in back street factories. >> i mean, these aren't seaworthy for anything because they are just not made to any standard . standard. >> trevor taylor has seen increasing numbers packed into these vessels. 70 or 80 migrants on each boat is now common. >> it'sjust on each boat is now common. >> it's just it's just not safe. the way it's constructed . and i the way it's constructed. and i mean, this is typical where if there was a cut or a puncture in one part of this boat, the whole thing would go down. >> makeshift puncture repair kits and cheap pumps are often all the migrants have as they battle to stay afloat. and there are very few , if any, effective

are very few, if any, effective life jackets just show you an example of that. >> and that's probably not just for a child. they'll probably give that to an adult as well, saying that's going to save you. another example just back here is an inner tube. we quite often see them or they're handed out in a packet to basically if you panic, inflate one of those yourself and the engines two are completely unsuitable for the engush completely unsuitable for the english channel, lacking power and prone to breaking down. >> you look at the engine, you might think, yeah, that's a proper engine. some of you might expect. however, the organised crime groups, they put stickers like this on their c30 to try to trick you into thinking, oh, 30 horsepower. but in reality, it's somewhere between 10 and 15. it's a really not suitable to go on the boat itself, especially at sea. >> the surge in violence along the french coast is of huge concern to authorities on both

sides of the channel staff in dover have seen increasing numbers of migrants arriving with injuries, including stab wounds. >> the violence that is now shown to our french colleagues, trying to prevent the launches , trying to prevent the launches, trying to prevent the launches, trying to prevent the launches, trying to save these people from from putting their lives at risk is huge, we've seen them attacked with sticks , metal attacked with sticks, metal bars, machetes, using women and children that are there to, you know, to , to cross, using them know, to, to cross, using them as human shields to prevent law enforcement taking action and it's growing. it's getting w0 i'se. woi'se. >> worse. >> this quay side here at dover harbour is where the channel migrants first set foot on british soil. of course, if rishi sunaks rwanda plan comes to full fruition , then they to full fruition, then they won't be here for long. many of them will be on a flight to east africa , but those flights are africa, but those flights are likely still months away and as

weather conditions improve in the weeks ahead, many more of these flimsy migrant boats will arrive in uk waters. unseaworthy and dangerous . overloaded mark and dangerous. overloaded mark whyte gb news at the small boats operational command in dover. >> mark white joins us now. and mark a story. we're going to be heanng mark a story. we're going to be hearing a lot about in the next houris hearing a lot about in the next hour is the epic diplomatic row between the uk and the republic of ireland. could you just talk us through that quickly, please? >> well, indeed, the irish government very unhappy. they say that a loophole, exists at the moment because of the open border with northern ireland in which , migrants who are which, migrants who are concerned about being sent to rwanda are coming from the north into the republic. but the fact is, this loophole has existed for years, and it's operated the other way with thousands of migrants who have come in through open borders into ireland and come up into the uk. well, the irish government say they are now going to put

through legislation that will force these people back up into northern ireland as part of a returns agreement. but the british government, in what is now turning into quite an unseemly row, say there's no way that they would take returns from the republic unless france takes returns of migrants who are arriving across the english channel. >> and, mark, just quickly just describe to us how big an issue illegal immigration has become in ireland . in ireland. >> it's a massive issue. i mean, they are quite aside from the people that might be coming down from northern ireland. they have a big problem themselves and a growing unrest right across the country dealing with the same kind of tensions that we have in the uk with hotels and other accommodation being handed over to asylum seekers. that's caused a lot of unrest and some scenes of disorder across the republic . of disorder across the republic. >> mark white, thank you very, very much. that is mark white

there. our homeland security edhon there. our homeland security editor. now look, it's a huge next hour coming your way. we're going to be picking up on that. we're also going to be talking to tim loughton okay. so he's in the home affairs select committee. but also he's just been recently deported from djibouti. yes, because djibouti is pro—china. he's quite anti—china. it's going to be talking to us all about that. and we're focusing on what's going on in hamburg as well, aren't we? >> we will indeed. so much coming up. so please do stay with us here on good afternoon britain. we're on gb news. we are, of course, britain's news channel. lots more to come. so stay with us. me emily carver and of course the patrick christys. >> just quickly think about this over the break. should we cave in to ireland and allow them to send us asylum seekers? >> a good question . on. >> a good question. on. >> a good question. on. >> a good question. on. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello, welcome to your latest update from the met office for gb news. an east west split with

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gb news. >> good afternoon. britain. it is 1:00 on monday, the 29th of april. now we are now expecting a press conference imminently in the next couple of minutes or so. live from london. now, this is between irish contingent and the uk. this comes as a

diplomatic row rages between dubun diplomatic row rages between dublin and westminster. and this all relates to a legal immigration. >> this is a big moment. it's a very big moment and we're going to be taking it live and in full right here on gb news, because at the moment there is a catastrophic diplomatic row raging between the republic of ireland and the united kingdom. all over illegal immigration. we have been seeing more and more illegal migrants crossing the border from northern ireland into the republic . the irish into the republic. the irish population are absolutely fuming. they're fuming with the level of legal migration, let alone the level of illegal migration as well. now what ireland wants us to do is take back these illegal immigrants. well, recently the high court in ireland said that we weren't a safe country because we might deport them to rwanda. so they've changed their tune, haven't we? as it currently stands, as far as we're aware, rishi sunak and co are saying no, we will not take them back. ihave no, we will not take them back. i have a fear . no, we will not take them back. i have a fear. i don't know whether or not you have a fear. gbnews.com/yoursay as to whether or not we might cave in. yeah. >> will it happen anywhere? will

we anyway? will we accept migrants back from the republic of ireland? now we're hearing that ireland's justice minister has pulled out of this very press conference in london today because she is so angry with the uk government for saying, absolutely not. we're not going to have migrants back from the repubuc to have migrants back from the republic of ireland. of course, our government is saying, well, we can't send illegal migrants back to france. that's not allowed. so why should ireland be allowed to do the same? when it comes to migrants that have crossed from the united kingdom to their country, this is a big diplomatic row and it just shows how important , how salient this how important, how salient this issue of illegal immigration is, not just in the united kingdom, but in ireland and across the european union. >> one thing i will say is hats off to the vast majority of the people of the republic of ireland because they have not sat down and just taken in the way that a lot of people in the uk have. this idea of illegal immigration, this idea of rapid cultural and societal change and

rapid taxpayers expense, it is quite extraordinary. >> the numbers , isn't it, in >> the numbers, isn't it, in ireland? ireland is not a very big population as compared to the rest of the united kingdom , the rest of the united kingdom, people saying our northern ireland reporter telling us that over a million people have been added to the population in a very short time, purely from immigration, lots of very angry irish people. of course, we've seen it blow up. we've seen arson attacks, we've seen riots in the streets. it really has been kicking off in ireland. and of course , the irish leadership of course, the irish leadership will want to make this about our failures in the united kingdom. yeah. >> so look what you're looking at right now is live scenes. any moment we're expecting to walk through that door, unless something has changed. the ireland deputy premier and foreign minister micheal martin, we think and our northern ireland secretary chris heaton—harris. it's worth noting that this press conference was initially supposed to be taking place around 15 minutes ago. there is a huge, as we've been saying , diplomatic row here. the saying, diplomatic row here. the irish want us to take the

migrants back. we are currently saying no and this is going to be a huge dividing issue for a lot of people. >> it looks like lots of aides of different descriptions are coming through that front door there into that conference room. so it looks like things may well be kicking off very shortly indeed. >> it's difficult to overstate how important this could be, because it comes on the day that the european union is now looking at doing something like the rwanda plan. yeah. okay. so we're potentially going to see the european union caving in. what does it mean for the no hard border between northern ireland and ireland. what is that going to mean? i think we're just going to take this now because as far as i can gather, the two gentlemen are walking to the plinth and this is the micheal martin, the foreign affairs minister and our northern ireland secretary hashing out something on illegal immigration. they've just taken to the plinth there. i think we'll just hear what they have to say. they look like they're about to get going.

>> ladies and gentlemen, welcome and welcome those from northern ireland, especially , it's nice ireland, especially, it's nice to see so many people at a press conference, after a british—irish intergovernmental conference. >> and i hope the improved attendance continues as we make sure that all the institutions connected to the belfast good friday agreement can now properly work. having established stormont, back again in february , i'm very grateful in february, i'm very grateful for the tanaiste to for travelling to london to discuss areas of shared concern to our two governments. we have had a very productive meeting today focusing on the issue of illegal migration, as well as covering our legacy policy, and this is the first meeting of the bgc since stormont was returned, and we should mark the progress that is making. >> and we will, of course, monitor very closely and work with a the irish government on a whole host of issues that we'll

talk about shortly , we talked talk about shortly, we talked about legacy, and i'd just like to bring in lord kane at this point in time to suggest what we said there. >> thank you very much, secretary of state, on legacy, we have covered a lot of ground today. we have covered a lot of ground today . it is, of course, well today. it is, of course, well publicised that the there is a difference of position between the uk and irish governments , the uk and irish governments, including in relation to ireland's inter—state case, which in our view is premature and unnecessary , particularly and unnecessary, particularly while domestic legal proceedings remain ongoing. >> we do note, however, as a uk government , the irish government, the irish government's role in the provision of information in in both the kingsmill inquest and in the operation denson review, we also do hope that the irish government can commit to similar cooperation with both the omagh inquiry, on which we had a very positive discussion today, and the new independent commission for reconciliation and information recovery, so that

families engaged in those processes can equally avail of information held by the irish authorities. the new body , the authorities. the new body, the icrier, headed by sir declan morgan, will become operational on wednesday and we believe firmly that it will provide more information on, and potentially answers to families about what happened to their loved ones dunng happened to their loved ones during the troubles far more effectively and for far more far. many more people than is the case under the current mechanism . and we would urge mechanism. and we would urge victims and survivors to throughout the whole community in northern ireland to work with the new body , we did actually the new body, we did actually have very productive conversations on a whole host of different issues. and i'll invite the minister to say something in a moment. >> but as part of our discussion today on security cooperation, i wanted to just make sure that i understood what was behind the recent comments in the media from the irish government regarding the uk government's

rwanda act and the movement of asylum seekers from northern ireland to ireland. >> i note the media reporting that the irish government is considering emergency legislation on this issue, and i know michael will be able to clarify that particular point. the uk's new deterrent is clearly working and having some impact already, an impact that it will obviously increase as the first flights depart for rwanda. we have always said we would do what was necessary to get our our landmark partnership deal with rwanda delivered . now deal with rwanda delivered. now the rwanda act has become law. we will begin the process of removing those identified for the first flight, and we will obviously monitor all this very closely and continue to work with the irish government on these matters as we need to completely together disrupt the criminal gangs that lie behind and at the heart of this issue . and at the heart of this issue. in the uk, the labour party has voted against tackling illegal

immigration 139 times, voted to block or delay attempts to stop the boats 126 times as their pledge to scrap the rwanda scheme, even though it is obviously already working, labour simply cannot be trusted to tackle illegal migration. but we did have, as i say, very constructive talks with michael and irish government representative and i invite michael to speak and thank you very much indeed, chris, and thank you for your hospitality. this morning, a lot has happened since we last had a meeting of this conference in november in dubun this conference in november in dublin . dublin. >> and crucially, the assembly and the executive are operational, and so was the north south, ministerial conference. and we had a very productive and constructive meeting of the north south ministerial council recently, this conference today and the

british irish council, which will meet in june, are the institutions of strand three, of the agreement. so now , for the the agreement. so now, for the first time in a long time, we have all three strands working alongside each other , as they alongside each other, as they should be. and i want to acknowledge and pay tribute to the work by of chris and his colleagues , that went into the colleagues, that went into the making of the restoration of the executive and the assembly, the conference, this conference has been working constructively and positively over the last number of years. it was one of the few parts of the set of institutions under the good friday agreement that has continued to work effectively and constructively. we have been able to take forward cooperation on cybersecurity, on energy , on cybersecurity, on energy, on education and research. we have a broad and a deep relationship and a particular shared responsibility and interest in underpinning positive progress in northern ireland. and throughout the process, we have built progress on effective institutions like this one, and deepening understanding and

understanding and relationships. there are plenty of challenges ahead of the executive and the assembly, of course, but all of them are better faced within functioning democratic institutions. that's what people want to see, and since our last meeting of this conference, my government did take a decision , government did take a decision, reluctantly, as i said, to initiate an inter—state case in respect of the united kingdom's legacy act . and this week sees legacy act. and this week sees that act becoming operational. today, i heard the british government's concerns about the case directly. i understand them, equally, i hope that they understand our concerns and our sense of how we got to this point. my government and every irish government will always defend the central importance of the european convention on human rights to the good friday agreement. the echr is integral to the good friday agreement. the case is now before the court in strasbourg . we are now in the in strasbourg. we are now in the court's hands and i won't litigate the case here and don't

intend to at this stage . we also intend to at this stage. we also had an opportunity to discuss a number of individual legacy cases today, and these included the dublin, monaghan bombing bombings, the 50th anniversary of which we will mark in just a few weeks. the case of sean brown, where i indicated my support for the call by both the coroner and the family for an inquiry and ummah, were both governments made it clear their intention to ensure that at the end of the united kingdom inquiry, no questions are left unanswered. and i've made it particularly clear that from , particularly clear that from, the republic's perspective , full the republic's perspective, full cooperation, full information will be made available, to lord turnbull's inquiry team, and their officials are working with them in that respect. and we also, again sought an inquiry into the murder of pat finucane, which we've been consistently pursuing on the question of irregular and illegal migration,

i briefed the secretary—general and his team in terms of the legislation that's being brought to cabinet tomorrow, and some of you may recall that from an irish perspective, back in march, there was a high court decision which struck down the capacity of the irish government to designate the united kingdom as a safe country, which then took away a pillar which underpinned an agreement that we had arrived with the uk. in terms of migration issues generally , and so this generally, and so this legislation, which we signalled back in march and the attorney general was clear it would require legislation, to deal with the high court, decision and, and to create a proper statutory basis for an agreement that we earlier had. so basically, it's restoring the situation to where it was before the high court case of last march. that's in essence, what has been proposed, and from, from our perspective and i'm

very clear that the common travel area generally, and that framework has been very beneficial to irish citizens and to united kingdom citizens and it covers a lot, including migration, and both governments are committed to working together in the time ahead, to deaung together in the time ahead, to dealing with issues, many issues, including migration . issues, including migration. there is no doubt that migration is an enormous challenge, to every jurisdiction in the united kingdom, ireland, europe, the world, and the continuing and the situations, for example, like in ukraine or like sudan, middle east. and i'm just back all clearly illustrate the impact that war, conflict, famine is having in terms of migration patterns across the world. and that is the bigger challenge that we face. and we will work together to see how best we can deal with those challenges .

challenges. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> and just to emphasise, our governments have a joint commitment to protect the common travel area from abuse whilst preserving the rights of british and irish citizens to in one another's state. and we have a joint programme of work to improve the security of the external common travel area, border overseen by the cta forum, which i believe is actually meeting again , next actually meeting again, next week. now we have i've got a host of questions. and the first up is, jane from bbc, look, obviously you've both talked about this developing roy on migration and asylum and secretary of state, the irish government has accused you of exporting the problem . so will exporting the problem. so will you now say will you send back those? will you take back those asylum seekers who have come from northern ireland into the republic? will you take them back and to the tarnished, can you clarify this figure of 80% of arrivals that have been coming in to the republic? helen mcentee mentioned that. what evidence is that based on and given the fact she's not here today, is that a snub , i'll go

today, is that a snub, i'll go first. and just to say that, you know, any agreement on returns is i mean, we've been told all the way through since we left the way through since we left the european union that the uk must deal with the european union as a whole entity. and so anything on returns has to be dealt, dealt with on that basis. and we are obviously we are working with our european partners because this is a shared endeavour to try and stop criminal gangs , illegally criminal gangs, illegally importing, exporting people, human trafficking people across the continent of europe into the united kingdom, into ireland , united kingdom, into ireland, and we want to work together later today. i believe there's a debate between the lead candidates for the european elections, from all the european political parties and i fully expect this subject and indeed a partnership proposals to be part of the solution suggested by some of those political parties. but we will work with everybody

and anybody to try and solve this problem. but we do know we have to work with our european union partners and could i first of all, just, you know, if you don't mind me saying so, jane, the language that you're developing row accused snow. >> i mean, that wasn't the spirit in which we conducted our discussions today. i can assure you, it was a very constructive meeting. it was . and a warm meeting. it was. and a warm meeting. it was. and a warm meeting. secretary say cleverly and minister mcentee are will meet in the coming weeks, unfortunate that our meeting was postponed, but they'll pick these issues up again in respect of the mutual arrangements between our two countries on the issue of migration and the migration. as i said earlier, it's multifactorial . all the it's multifactorial. all the reasons why people are migrating. i'm very clear from my visit even to the middle—east. again last week, that, the level of conflict in the world today , the level of

the world today, the level of famine, is driving the migration crisis, and many, many jurisdictions, many countries are struggling with the migration crisis, given the sheer scale of it. and i have a view that we have to get to the root causes of migration, which would be greater investment in terms of development cooperation with many countries. >> all right . well, look, this >> all right. well, look, this is an important moment that you have just witnessed and heard live here on gb news. okay. so the big diplomatic row between the big diplomatic row between the republic of ireland and the united kingdom about whether or not we are going to take back illegal immigrants from the repubuc illegal immigrants from the republic of ireland. so you heard first on it from that delegate from the republic of ireland. they're saying , well, ireland. they're saying, well, what they're going to do is change their law. so they are going to designate the united kingdom again as a safe country to return these people. well, i bet they wish they hadn't been so high and mighty in the first place. however, chris heaton—harris hit back and said, well, hang on a minute. no, we can't just do that because the european union, the republic of ireland themselves have always

been very clear that if you want to deal with the issue of illegal immigration with a nafion illegal immigration with a nation state, you have to deal with the european union as a whole. so what i read from that is that was a firm no. as it currently stands , we are not currently stands, we are not going to be taking back illegal migrants from the republic of ireland. yes. >> he made it very clear, didn't he, that the united kingdom must only work with the european union as a whole. there can't be such deals. it's their rules. it's their rules, of course. are representative. they're the government representative. the united kingdom . he was talking united kingdom. he was talking to the british audience, wasn't he? talking about how the deterrent is already working in the form of the rwanda plan. and when the flights go off, eventually when they go off, that will make the deterrent even harsher. so there you go. >> joining us now to discuss this is the conservative mp for east worthing and shoreham, tim loughton. tim, thank you very much for sitting on the line for a bit there. we were desperate to try to get that point of information for our viewers and listeners, which is, are we going to end up kowtowing to dubun going to end up kowtowing to dublin and taking back a load of illegal migrants? my

understanding of that at the moment was no, tim, which i think most people will be happy with. >> absolutely right. >> absolutely right. >> and this is clearly double standards. >> we have been trying to negotiate with france for ages about stopping and potentially taking back people who are coming across the across the channel and what france should be doing is actually arresting those people and detaining them, rather than letting them come back the following night. >> and the following night to get into dinghy to come across. we are always told by the french, this is an eu wide matter and you'll have to discuss it with, with everybody when it comes to ireland. oh, all of a sudden ireland's got a problem because people now are getting worried about the prospect of going to rwanda. >> this scheme is going to be a deterrent . these are early signs deterrent. these are early signs of it. >> and so they've come up with this wheeze of going into going to ireland. >> well you you reap what you sow. so they've got to play by the rules . we've been expected the rules. we've been expected to play by the rules. >> and if now ireland is saying,

oh, we can change the law to designate the uk as a safe country, having told us we're not. >> well, apparently we're not allowed to change the law here to designate rwanda as a safe country as we did in the rwanda treaty. >> but they can i mean, this is gross double standards and absolutely the government will have none of this nonsense. >> it does feel that way. but also on a bigger scale. we're heanng also on a bigger scale. we're hearing that the biggest group in the european union is looking at rwanda style schemes. they're very much considering it. are we seeing that actually europe is following where we lead and surprise, surprise. >> and some of us have been pointing that out for some time. >> emily, i've met a lot of european politicians in the in the last year, and i've been conferences about immigration. >> and when we talk through the grander scheme to a group of german politicians last year, for example , they all say, for example, they all say, great, we want some of that. >> when we went to calais, we discussed it with those people in charge of the migrant situation over there. they basically said , off the record.

basically said, off the record. well, actually, we need some sort of grander scheme. we know that the danes initiated looking at round we know the dutch are interested in this . what i want interested in this. what i want to see is not just a uk grand scheme . i want to see a sort of scheme. i want to see a sort of northern europe and uk rwanda type scheme, and it won't be limited to just rwanda because a number of other countries who could be candidates as well. and then we can approach this problem together. >> but surely rwanda wouldn't be able. rwanda surely wouldn't. problem. sorry, tim. rwanda surely wouldn't be able to accept. migrants from across the entirety of northern europe are you talking about multiple similar schemes? >> i'm not. i'm not saying that we know there are a number of other countries who are waiting to see that if rwanda works, then actually they're prepared to offer a similar sort of scheme. so other countries in africa and under africa. and we had that publication of a list that the home office have been looking at as, as well. so why it's so important that rwanda gets off the ground and is a success, because it could open up lots of other possibilities with other countries that will be deemed even safer than rwanda

for people to go to, to act as a real deterrent for people coming across the channel and that that most inappropriate and dangerous journey. >> and tim, today , it's actually >> and tim, today, it's actually quite a bad day for the labour party because you've got a chap from ireland on our screens right now alongside you, who is. well, he might not be saying this publicly, but they are essentially begging us to do them a massive favour. now they've tried to take us to the echr over something recently. they've declared as an unsafe country. they've been slagging us off left, right and centre . us off left, right and centre. they were perfectly happy to cosy up with joe biden, all of that stuff and now, lo and behold, their own people don't like the rapid rate of illegal immigration taking place in their country. they've got the begging bowl out. okay, and the european union are now looking at actually doing something when it comes to rwanda. the labour party, meanwhile, are still saying this is terrible and we'd actually scrap it if we came into office. well well, it puts them in an awkward situation. what happens, tim, if we do get a labour government and the european union as a whole has just agreed some kind of returns agreement, does the labour party

have to oppose that or are we now an outlier? >> well, the labour party disgracefully made it very clear that even if the rwanda scheme starts to work and is acting as a deterrent, if they were to come into government, they would still scrap it. >> i mean, why if you've got a successful scheme, why would you get rid of it disgracefully , get rid of it disgracefully, though, they have come up with not a single solution to how you deal with, particularly those migrants coming to the uk who have no credible claim to be in the uk but come from countries where it's really difficult practically to return them. iran eritrea, countries like like that. that's what the rwanda scheme is there to deal with people that you cannot deport to their own countries when they have absolutely no claim , so have absolutely no claim, so they undermine that scheme. they want to get rid of that scheme even if it's successful and scheme even if the eu said, well, actually that's quite a goodidea well, actually that's quite a good idea and we'd like some of that action as well. also, it's completely irresponsible. >> we should say that our very own christopher hope did interview rachel reeves, the

shadow chancellor, the labour shadow chancellor, of course, last week . and he put to her, last week. and he put to her, well, if 10,000 migrants are flown to rwanda, would you still axe this scheme? and she did equivocate. she did equivocate . equivocate. she did equivocate. so it seems as though it's based on the scale of the success, because at the moment, we have absolutely no idea how many migrants are going to be sent to rwanda, if any, because of course, truth be told, those flights have not taken off off the tarmac yet. and we await potential legal challenges. >> the success of the scheme is not going to be judged on how many people are transferred to rwanda. the success of the scheme will be judged on how fewer people are taking that risky route of paying smugglers to come across the channel. that's the intention of it is there as a deterrent. and when there as a deterrent. and when the home affairs select committee went to calais last year and we were told in no uncertain terms by all the officials there, that when the grander scheme was announced, there was a surge in migrants around calais approaching the french authorities to try and regularise their position in france. because they didn't want

to risk being put on a plane to rwanda. and we're seeing the consequences of that because some of them are now going to ireland because they don't take that risk. we need to see if it's going to work. the early signs are it's already providing a deterrent and that's what it's there to do. >> we've heard we've heard from some people who recently crossed the channel interviewed saying if they'd have known about rwanda, they never would have come. i might suggest that a bit of taxpayers money could be spent on some kind of leaflet airdrop around the calais beaches, by the way, or just plastering it across the white cliffs of dover. but we've now seen ireland saying that, you know, we're seeing a huge increase in because of rwanda. the eu are looking to copy it. i don't think any longer, really. people can sit there and claim that this maybe wasn't a good idea. labour might be about to perform a 6,754.3 mile u—turn. i think if they decide to row back on rwanda. but can i just ask you, tim. oh, dear. you, you know a thing or two about being deported? >> well, yes. yeah >> well, yes. yeah >> well, yes. yeah >> well, could you tell our viewers what happened to djibouti? >> i'm. i'm not unaware here of

the irony. that is a tory mp being deported from africa back to to the the uk and the like of the rwanda scheme. so the story, which seems to have got quite a lot of publicity this morning, is earlier in the month i was coming back from a delegation to somaliland in the horn of africa. i was stopping off in djibouti literally for 24 hours for a couple of trips and a meeting with the british ambassador for a for a debrief. and, basically , i was told, you and, basically, i was told, you can't come in, you can't have a visa and you're going to be held here for seven hours in the airport, which wasn't much fun. and then you're going to be put on a plane, out of djibouti. so i arrived home 24 hours earlier than i was anticipating . after than i was anticipating. after some pretty intimidating treatment at the hands of djibouti officials in a not very, good airport. >> goodness me, i mean, that is quite the story, tim loughton. it's been absolutely brilliant to speak to you this afternoon on good afternoon britain, conservative mp for east

worthing and shoreham, of coui'se. >> course. >> right. look, just to recap very quickly, very quickly, big news that so it looks as though we're not going to cave in to the irish government saying, please, can you take back illegal migrants for now, i think we've played them at their own game. and we're going to say, well, look, it's up to the european union. we have to negotiate with them. oh, fyi, they look like they are now bang in favour of some kind of rwanda scheme. fascinating political moments unfolding before our very eyes. and of course, we haven't forgotten the big breaking news from scotland today. >> of course, the resignation of the first minister there, humza yousaf, said we will be hearing from the former deputy first minister of scotland, john swinney. some people are saying that he could be an interim leader for the snp, should we go back to edinburgh and speak to our scotland reporter, tony maguire, i believe, yes , we are maguire, i believe, yes, we are talking to you, tony. what are we expecting , well, so, john we expecting, well, so, john swinney, as you said, the former first minister, deputy first minister under nicola sturgeon, now in nicola sturgeon , hung up now in nicola sturgeon, hung up her boots and john swinney said that he would happily step in as an interim, but he didn't want

the job. then this time round. well, he's not, he's not made the same decision. now he is speaking at the resolution conference down in london. now that's basically celebrating 25 years of devolution. your absolute favourite topic, emily, but he is expected to, you know, make some kind of comments, as to whether he will throw you know, or at least his interested. he's keeping his cards fairly close to his chest right now, but seemingly as soon as the news this morning broke that we could be expecting some kind of resignation from humza yousaf, his name was pretty much the first that cropped up . now, the first that cropped up. now, of course, on top of him we also have kate forbes . she is also have kate forbes. she is also another running favourite, due in part because of how close she came to humza yousaf. the last time. but it feels at this point that this almost an annual snp leadership race. i really hope

that i don't have to put this month into my calendar at this time. >> we've got john swinney here. let's take it away. >> i decided to step down. >> i decided to step down. >> he's been a pioneer as first minister, the first person of colour to hold the office of first minister of scotland, and he's led our country with empathy, with care and with an emphasis always on bringing people together. so i very much regret the fact that he felt it necessary today to stand down. >> some of your senior colleagues urging you to stand to try and get the snp back into a more stable position. are you going to do it? >> i'm giving very careful consideration to standing to be the leader of the snp. i've been somewhat overwhelmed by the requests that have been made of me to do that, with many , many me to do that, with many, many messages from many colleagues across the party. so i am giving thatissue across the party. so i am giving that issue very active consideration and it's likely i'll have more to say about that in the days to come. >> that sounds very much like a yes. >> i'm going to give it consideration. i've got lots of

things to think about. and there's the whole question of my family, and i have to make sure that i family, and i have to make sure thati do family, and i have to make sure that i do the right thing by my family. they're precious to me. ihave family. they're precious to me. i have to do the right thing by my party and by my country. so there's lots to be thought about, and i'll give all of that consideration in the days to come. >> this looks like a catastrophic miscalculation on the part of humza yousaf over the part of humza yousaf over the bute house agreement, should it have ended, and did humza ask you first? >> there was quite clearly strains within the bute house agreement , strains within the bute house agreement, and it's important that these issues are considered carefully and handled with care. and obviously i spent a large amount of my time in government doing exactly that in the past. so it's important that those are the values and the characteristics that are brought, brought to how we deal with other political parties, and particularly now , the snp and particularly now, the snp will be a minority government in the scottish parliament. it's important that there is an approach taken which ensures that we work carefully with all political parties in the

scottish parliament. >> so that sounds like the greens are still out of the picture. >> then. >> then. >> well, we've obviously got to the scottish government in the years ahead is going to have to find agreement with people of other persuasions because , you other persuasions because, you can't pass a budget without a majority in parliament. you can't pass a law without a majority in parliament. so it's really important that we work with other political parties to make sure that we are in a position to, to govern effectively and wisely in the interests of everyone within scotland. >> and should the snp just accept its fate and call a snap holyrood election? >> parliament's , like the >> parliament's, like the scottish parliament, are elected for a fixed term. it's a five year period and we should see out that five year period. yes, there's changes of personnel and leadership during that period, but the parliament was elected for five years and it should sit for five years and it should sit for five years and it should sit for five years. >> mr swinney, just finally, last year's leadership election was pretty bruising. it was very personal. there were a lot of factional fights came out into the public. do you think that

will happen again? and where do you think the snp should end up in the political spectrum by the end of this leadership contest? >> i've always believed that the right place for the scottish national party is as a moderate, left of centre political party in the mainstream tradition of scottish public opinion. you only ever win success if you're in line with the mainstream of pubuc in line with the mainstream of public opinion in the country. and that's where i've always endeavoured to make sure the snp was positioned. and i think that's where the snp should be positioned in the future. okay thank you very much. thank you . thank you very much. thank you. >> so can i just emphasise what a bizarre spectacle that was? okay, so that is john swinney , okay, so that is john swinney, the snp, former deputy first minister there who can i just say called a press conference before humza yousaf had resigned. yeah right. called that press conference. there's been massive anticipation for it. and then he comes out and he says i'm considering standard. i'm considering standing. >> meanwhile, you've had a

number of senior characters and former senior characters from the snp saying how brilliant it would be if john swinney stood to stood up to the plate and took the position of first minister, at least in an interim penod. minister, at least in an interim period . and there he calls this period. and there he calls this cause this big press conference, only to say he's considering it and he'll have an answer in the coming days. okay. >> what's changed, john, between between what, 10:00 this morning? was it about when he called that press conference? i think something along those lines and where we are now. ian blackfords giving him his backing. so, you know, that's the kiss of death. but, ian blackford, the, former westminster leader, has said , westminster leader, has said, you know, he'd make a good choice and that would all be okay, i think someone has operated right through the penod operated right through the period of the snp being in government , he was deputy leader government, he was deputy leader under nicola sturgeon. is this another continuity candidate? fascinating, though, isn't it, because all the other noises are saying that the green party will be quite happy if he, if he came on board? is this not a continuation of the kind of politics that actually saw humza yousaf out on his backside a

little bit earlier today, when it comes to the kind of hyper woke, ultra green, ultra progressive policies, and that seems to be what that guy's into. >> of course, he did take the chance, take the opportunity to dismiss an early election , an dismiss an early election, an dismiss, a snap election. he said the snp were elected for a five year period, so therefore they deserve to be keep, maintain that power, that position for that period of time. so yes, very interesting that he called a press conference there. i wonder if he had more to say initially and then decided to take a little more time over his decision on this one. curious. >> earlier this morning, he had said, there's a lot to happen today and we'll wait to hear what the first minister's got to say later on today by my calculations, he had already called that press conference before people in the media knew that was happening. okay, we did before we knew about the, the first minister himself. so now he's he's come out and said he's considering standing john swinney there, the former deputy first minister of scotland making an announcement that

essentially there is no major announcement at the moment . so announcement at the moment. so thank you very much, john. >> it's likely i'll have more to say in the days to come. so was john swinney. >> can i just say it's been a bumper first 35 minutes of this hour because we've had the british government telling the irish government to swivel when it comes to returning illegal migrants, which i think will go down rather well with our viewers. make sure you get in touch gbnews.com. >> on that note, we should get to some of your views and comments because they are flooding in. we will get to them, we promise. perhaps after them, we promise. perhaps after the break, perhaps after the break we can get to some views. patrick. yep. >> so good news on when it comes to illegal immigration, and we've had the latest there from what's going on in scotland coming up, we have got a debate for you. this will get you all going at home as well. should work shy brits be forced back into work . into work. >> yes. this comes as a government minister says that exactly . that is exactly what he exactly. that is exactly what he wants to do. particularly people who are suffering from depression and anxiety. he wants to get them straight back into work, potentially cutting their benefits altogether . so we'll benefits altogether. so we'll have that debate. should work shy brits be forced back into

us. well. good afternoon. britain. you're with me, emily carver. and of course , the patrick and of course, the patrick christys is with me today too. now we're going to be following everything that is going on in scotland with humza yousafs bombshell resignation. and of course, the diplomatic row between ireland and the united kingdom over illegal immigration. but first, people suffering from depression or anxiety could lose access to sickness benefits . this is part sickness benefits. this is part of the government's major welfare reforms. yeah, interesting. >> this really. so the work and pensions secretary, mel stride, has been quite outspoken on this, is set to announce plans to overhaul the way that disability benefits work. in a statement in the commons today. it could include a plan to replace cash payments with vouchers. >> yes. interesting one that. i guess the idea is that if you give cash in the form of

vouchers instead, then they can choose what it is spent on i.e. no booze or fags. i imagine that is the point of that. >> what i'm keen to hear from with our viewers here. so gbnews.com/yoursay is this now people can be off. it might be loads of you now, i don't know, sitting at home you've got a really bad back or a bad hip, a physical disability, a physical desperate to work, want to work , desperate to work, want to work, physically can't work. and then you have millions of people who are saying they've got really bad anxiety or depression. obviously loads those people will. but i think there is an implication, isn't there, that maybe some of those people are on the take? how do you feel about that? so get your views coming in. yes >> and of course the numbers have dramatically increase since the covid days. so our big question today should work. shy brits be forced back into work. joining us now to debate this is the former leader of ukip, neil hamilton, and the author and broadcast , rebecca reid. thank broadcast, rebecca reid. thank you very much indeed, neil should they. >> yeah. well, i mean , the

>> yeah. well, i mean, the sickness benefit bill for this country is £66 billion this yean country is £66 billion this year, and that's forecast to rise on present trends to 90 billion by 2029. >> we've got 5.2 million people or on out of work benefits . or on out of work benefits. that's 16% of the workforce. and if you look at, young people between the ages of 18 and 24, we've got . nearly 200,000 of we've got. nearly 200,000 of them who are economically inactive , supposedly for mental inactive, supposedly for mental health issues. and that's double what it was ten years ago. we all know that term's have been a big contributor to this trend, because people got used to being paid for doing nothing. so it's time to wake people up and say, we can't carry on like this. we have to go back to life in the real world. >> all right, rebecca, people i've got to used to being paid to do nothing . to do nothing. >> i'm not sure it's that i think we're a surprisingly unhealthy and ill country. and i think that our mental health services are pretty poor. the biggest demographic of people who are now not working, the biggest rise is in middle class,

middle aged people, and i think that's a reflection of the fact that's a reflection of the fact that there is a genuine mental health crisis in the country. now, i don't believe that this idea of like, if you're mentally ill, just stay at home, stay in bed. it's all okay. it's good for you if you are mentally ill. you out there? i have anxiety, it gets worse if i don't go out, touch some grass, see some sky, move my body. but unfortunately, we don't have services to help people to become less mentally ill quickly. what we do is either give them anti—depression or sort of write them off completely, and there's not enough option to be able to work part time. work flexibly so that you can be economically active while also improving your mental health. well, neil, let's be honest. the government locked us all down on and off for a couple of years. that was bound to have an impact on mental health and also attitudes towards work. i mean, furlough literally paid us to sit at home and do nothing . to sit at home and do nothing. so has our culture changed dramatically? and actually, is it the fault of the government? >> i think that's a big part of

it. undoubtedly, people did get used to being paid to do nothing, the same as all these people were supposedly working from home or working from home, as i think is very often the better way to put it. i mean, i love rebecca because she always likes to think the best of people, and we'd all like to do that. but there are loads of people swinging the lead who are abusing the system. it's perfectly obvious from the figures. why should mental health issues really be so much worse? if you take the figures at face value than they were ten years ago? and what about taking responsibility for your own health? in these respects, we all know it's much better for your mental health. as rebecca said a minute ago , to be doing said a minute ago, to be doing something useful, doing something useful, doing something active, being with other people, rather than vegetating at home. and i think people have got to be forced to do this if they're not willing to try for themselves. >> yeah. and rebecca, look, i think there will be people watching this show now who are desperate to work, who have some form of physical disability, either through an accident or just a disability in general,

who are looking at this thinking, you know, actually they would be desperate to get into the workforce and that there are too many people who find it too easy to say, i've got mental health and they can sign off. is that unfair in the accent ? accent? >> i think i think it's always super easy to just look for a sort of faceless concept of the person who's responsibility anything is. it's we like to make everything somebody else's fault. it's a bit like how we used to say immigrants are coming over and taking our jobs. now there are these fictional mental mentally ill people who are getting bankrolled to do nothing. it's a very small amount of money and it is very hard to be signed off for mental health. you have to have quite a considerable noteworthy mental illness to be unable to work. but i think the best system here would be if there were things that you could do. we live in an age of incredible technology. there should be an equivalent of fdr's new deal, where if you needed work, you could go and get work. in the 1930s. that should be possible from home remotely. i mean, if you physically unable to work or mentally, you should be able to pick up shifts. you shouldn't

have to be in full time all the time or nothing. yeah, yeah. no, that makes a lot of sense. but it's quite incredible to think. recent stat nearly £300 million a year being spent on disability benefits for adhd. i mean, we can't afford this as a country. >> i could sign off on that. can't afford it. >> but as somebody who has it, who has adhd, i have to have a very silly career to be able to work like it. genuinely does make you very bad at a lot of things. and there is not enough jobs talking about your feelings on telly. for everybody who has adhd . get them neil. just just adhd. get them neil. just just that point. just lastly to you neil, that the extraordinary cost. i think this is something that people just ignore. can we physically as a country afford to pay for so many millions of people to be out of work? i mean, how high are our taxes going to go? >> what are we paying for? neil you're absolutely right. >> as i said a moment ago, £66 billion this year being spent on sickness benefits and 16% of our workforce. people of working age

are out of work benefits . i are out of work benefits. i mean, no prosperous society can withstand and that kind of figure indefinitely. and the trend is getting worse. you know, the percentages are going up eventually. no doubt they'll hit a ceiling when they get to 100. people doing nothing. but, you know, we can't just wait around for that to happen. something's got to be done now. well we've certainly got ourselves into a little bit of a pickle, that's for sure. >> neil hamilton, thank you so much, rebecca. read to nothing wrong with a few adhd like features, are there, patrick. no >> absolutely not. nothing. absolutely nothing wrong. nothing wrong with it at all. i've made a career out of it, but what i will say is it's also the fraud. £11 billion worth of benefits, fraud in two years. so you know, that's bonkers, yeah. ihave you know, that's bonkers, yeah. i have a huge amount of sympathy for people who've got genuine disabilities, both mental and physical. yeah, that's not who we're talking about here. >> is it? >> is it? >> is it? >> i just i just can't get over that figure. £300 million on adhd is a disability vouchers

over cash. >> i think vouchers over. >> i think vouchers over. >> but maybe you've got adhd and can't work. let us know. gbnews.com/yoursay okay. all right, all right. >> look up next. this is gb news exclusive. my parents are using children as human shields to stop police puncturing their small boats. that's according to border force officials . we'll border force officials. we'll have much more on that, including exclusive picture

i >> -- >> all lyman >> all right. well, we promised to get to some of your views , so to get to some of your views, so we will. indeed. we're talking about. well, the diplomatic row between ireland and the united kingdom over. guess what? illegal immigration. it's what the entirety of the european union and the united kingdom are stuck on at the moment, leslie says the eu didn't care two hoots when the uk was inundated with illegal economic migrants. but as soon as ireland starts bleating about an influx influx, its action changes. they're suddenly talking about changing

the law. >> and you know what calls that action? i in this country, many people think that we've been a bit too passive when it comes to illegal immigration, when it comes to the implementation of asylum hotels and all of this stuff in local communities. obviously, i am not calling for or condoning riots on the streets of britain, but what i am saying is the irish did do that. you see them marching through the streets now, aren't you? there's other footage that we've shown earlier on of actual, genuine, full blown riots in ireland, things being on fire left, right and centre there you go. there it is now. and so what happens? the irish government suddenly come cap in hand to the brits and say , hand to the brits and say, please, will you take illegal migrants back? great line from chris heaton—harris , wasn't it chris heaton—harris, wasn't it saying, well, hang on a minute. we've always been told any deal with an eu member country has to go through the european union in its entirety. and so we have currently told the irish to swivel when it comes to taking illegal migrants back , which is illegal migrants back, which is a good thing, i think. >> yes. and they said it with very straight faces, very polite as these types of conferences always are, even though they make quite cutting comments like that one, sue says migrants want

to come to the republic of ireland because there's better social welfare, child benefits and pensions than in britain. nothing to do with rwanda. very interesting, very interesting. that point work, they can work. >> my understanding is that if you're an asylum seeker in ireland, you can work. i'm willing to stand corrected on this, but that is my understanding in a way that you can't hear. >> but wouldn't it be a remarkable, remarkable deal? what a u turn, labelling the united kingdom an unsafe country because of the rwanda plan , because of the rwanda plan, deportation scheme and then, u turning when the problem gets so large, then it's undeniable. >> look, we've had pop one, two, three here say thank god labour are not in government, is all i will say. labour are now in an incredibly tricky position. pop one, two, three because these because the it is because the eu are currently considering , as we are currently considering, as we speak, implementing some kind of rwanda plan. okay, so the european union labour could inherit a situation where ireland and the rest of the european union are implementing something that we have just implemented that may well have started to work and then do they

perform the massive u—turn? look, can i just whizzes on to another thing? because we're going to be talking about this later on in the hour, we've had, janie's got in touch on this, jenny just says very concerning to see what's happening in hamburg. i'm worried it will happen over here. let me remind you of what this is. this is a protest in hamburg, the german city openly calling for an islamic caliphate, isn't it? >> yeah, an islamic caliphate, essentially. the islamic takeover of germany. and i don't know if any arrests were made, but just the very fact that these people felt so emboldened to demand something that is the antithesis of western liberal democracy on the streets of a western liberal democracy, is absolutely shocking. you might tell me it's unsurprising, but it is still shocking to see just out in the open there. that was supposed to be a protest about islamophobia . and look what islamophobia. and look what happens. it gets hijacked by extremist voices and, and, what does the german government do? what does the german government

do? we have seen similar, of course, in the united kingdom, perhaps not quite as brazen as this recently, although we did see in luton a number of years ago, but we've seen calling for jihad on the streets of london. >> so, look, we're going to be talking about all of this in the next hour, okay? massive day for illegal immigration when it comes to european union adopting the rwanda scheme as telling the irish where to go when it comes to taking illegal migrants back, and that gb news exclusive from mark white about child migrants using their own kids as human shields. now on the beaches of paris, on the beaches of paris, on the beaches of calais , quite on the beaches of calais, quite a lot to get through, a lot to get through. and we will be whizzing you over as well as the islamification of europe gets kicked up a notch. who could have predicted this ? have predicted this? >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> afternoon. welcome to your latest weather update from the

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gb news. >> good afternoon. britain. it's 2:00 on monday. the 29th of april. >> heck of a lot to get through. breaking news this afternoon from scotland. humza yousaf, one of the most unpopular politicians of all time, has quit it only took about 20 minutes for the former deputy first minister, john swinney. no, me neither. to say that he

is standing for leader well and an almighty illegal immigration row isn't there. >> ireland wants to deport migrants back to the uk, saying if you can't send migrants back to france , you can't send them to france, you can't send them back to us. that's our government's approach and the eu is looking to copy our rwanda plan. are harry and meghan now pretending to be royals on the world stage again, aren't they? >> they're off to tour nigeria now. this, as it's revealed that now. this, as it's revealed that no senior members of the royal family are expected to join prince harry at the anniversary of the invictus games. >> well, as we've been talking about throughout the show, this diplomatic row between ireland and the united kingdom is very much heating up. it doesn't look like it's going to be resolved any time soon, but the uk government so far are standing strong. they're saying we have absolutely no reason, no legitimate reason to block, to

allow ireland to essentially send migrants back to the united kingdom. they say we can't send them back to france ourselves, so why should we in the case of ireland, a lot of stories today are tied up in a neat little bow for us because we've got a gb news exclusive which is about channel migrants. >> now using increasingly violent tactics on the beach, using their own children as human shields. we've got the eu adopting a rwanda plan, ireland begging us to take illegal migrants back. us so far saying no good. we're also going to be having a look at the increasingly radical islamification of europe, because the people of hamburg, well, subsect anyway, of the radical islamic population of hamburg are calling openly on the streets for an islamic caliphate in their country, and that a lot of people will feel is heading our way. is it even already here? we will. emily be discussing that latest from scotland when we're taking a look. i think, at humza yousafs greatest hits. >> yes, we will. greatest hits or potentially worst moments? depends which way you look at

it. i'm sure we'll be getting the very latest on that from someone who has written up their own worst moments or greatest hits. so there you go. we've got a lot coming up, so please do let us know your thoughts on all of those topics, whether it's the diplomatic row with the with the diplomatic row with the with the government of ireland, whether it's what we're seeing in hamburg, on the streets of hamburg, or whether it's humza yousaf, let us know your thoughts. gbnews.com/yoursay should we get your headlines with sam ? with sam? >> very good afternoon to you. it's just after 2:00 and the latest developments in our top story this afternoon. a leadership contest will now be launched in scotland after the first minister announced his resignation . humza yousaf has resignation. humza yousaf has admitted he underestimated the level of upset caused by cutting political ties with the greens. he's also stepping down as snp leader, but will continue in that post until a replacement is found. mr yousaf says that quitting to help repair relationships across the political divide. >> i could never have dreamt

that one day i would have the privilege of leading my country . privilege of leading my country. people who looked like me were not in positions of political influence. let alone leading governments when i was younger. but we now live in a uk that has a british hindu prime minister, a british hindu prime minister, a muslim mayor of london, a black welsh first minister and for a little while longer , a for a little while longer, a scots asian first minister of this country . scots asian first minister of this country. so for scots asian first minister of this country . so for those who this country. so for those who decry that multiculturalism has failed across the uk, i would suggest that the evidence is quite to the contrary . quite to the contrary. >> well, former deputy first minister john swinney says he's carefully considering whether to run as the snp's next leader. >> so i've got lots of things to think about and there's a the whole question of my, my family and i have to make sure that i do the right thing by my family. they're precious to me. i have to do the right thing by my party and by my country. so there's lots to be thought about, and i'll give all of that

consideration in the days to come . come. >> and that comes as labour leader sir keir starmer has said that voters in scotland are, he says, being failed by an snp government and i despair at the situation in scotland. >> it's absolute chaos now from the scottish parliament, from the scottish parliament, from the snp, so you've got chaos in the snp, so you've got chaos in the scottish parliament, you've got scotland, chaos in the westminster parliament and, you know the scottish people are being fundamentally let down. 1 in 7 are on waiting lists. there's a cost of living crisis and all the snp can offer is chaos. and we've got to turn the page on this now. we need that general election and a fresh start. >> and another response from the liberal democrats leader, sir ed davey, who says that the snp has a dreadful record. >> the sad truth is the problems with the snp go much deeper than humza yousaf . the snp for years humza yousaf. the snp for years now have been putting their ideological obsession with independence above scottish nhs ,

independence above scottish nhs, above the issues facing scottish education, in above the issues facing the scottish environment and things have got to change away from politics now. >> and two men have been charged with murder after a torso was found in a nature reserve in salford . greater manchester salford. greater manchester police believe human remains at three other locations belong to the same victim , thought to be a the same victim, thought to be a man in his 60s. the initial discovery was made by a member of the public at kersal dale wetlands three and a half weeks ago . a rescue operation is ago. a rescue operation is underway in the english channel, with a migrant boat running into trouble off the coast of calais . trouble off the coast of calais. that comes as senior border force officials have raised concerns that people in small boats are using children, as they say , human shields, to they say, human shields, to evade police. in just one week, over 900 migrants crossed to the uk , with 359 arrivals on uk, with 359 arrivals on saturday alone . 51 of those were saturday alone. 51 of those were rescued after running aground . a rescued after running aground. a debate on whether assisted dying

should be legalised for terminally ill people will be debated in parliament later. it's after more than 200,000 people signed a petition backed by dame esther rantzen, calling for the change. assisted suicide is currently banned in england and wales and in northern ireland. in scotland, though, it's not a specific criminal offence. but people who help others to end their own lives do risk being charged with murder or other offences. those who oppose a change in the law say that vulnerable people could be pressured into ending their lives . new laws protecting lives. new laws protecting consumers from hacking and cyber attacks are now in force, with all smart devices required to meet minimum security standards as manufacturers of products like phones, tvs and smart doorbells are now legally required to protect internet connected devices against possible access by criminals , possible access by criminals, common passwords like one, 234, five are being banned in the uk as part of the world's first legislation, and users will be prompted to change them. and

finally, before we head back to patrick and emily, we're being warned today to brace ourselves for even more food price rises with beer, biscuits and bread among the items expected to jump. the wet weather means harvests of barley and wheat could be down by as much as a fifth. storms and flooding throughout the last few months have forced british farmers to constantly delay sowing new crops that warning comes just as food prices were beginning to fall following soaring inflation sparked by the global gas price crisis . so that's the latest crisis. so that's the latest from the newsroom. more in the next half hour. until then, do sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the code there on your screen, or go to gbnews.com slash alerts . slash alerts. >> while a very good afternoon britain, a very action packed afternoon britain, humza yousaf has resigned as scottish first minister after a power sharing deal with the green party collapsed while he collapsed it last week, triggering two no

confidence motions in his leadership. >> yes , he said, he'll stay in >> yes, he said, he'll stay in place until his successor can be found. he did say that this process should happen asap , but process should happen asap, but we were hearing earlier that it could be weeks, if not months before a full time replacement is found. i'm just reading now , is found. i'm just reading now, actually, that alex salmond has been claiming that humza yousaf was still scrapping around to try and get his party's support at 7:30 am. this morning, so this decision may not have been made much before that midday conference. >> look, just to whizz you through very quickly, a couple of things that humza yousaf have said in his resignation speech. all right. he said he will continue until he's found a successor . he says he's not successor. he says he's not going to trade on his values to manage to cling on to power. while alex salmond might have a thing or two to say about that, he said that diversity was kind of his greatest strength. you know, when he was growing up, people that looked like him weren't in positions of high office. and now that is a good thing, he said that wealth must be evenly distributed . well, it

be evenly distributed. well, it is because the wealthy are now leaving scotland, aren't they? but apart from that, he's obviously had a cracking stint as one year, one month as the first minister of scotland. >> yes, he had a lot to say, didn't he? and it all ended with a little bit of emotion. a tear or two appeared to be shed by humza yousaf. it has. he was only in the job for a month, for a month, for a year and one month, let's say. shall we speak to the former snp councillor, austin sheridan. austin, thank you very much for joining us austin sheridan. austin, thank you very much forjoining us on you very much for joining us on the show. you backed the wrong horse, didn't you ? horse, didn't you? >> not at all. i mean, humza has a lot to be proud of, but in terms of, you know, something that, you know, that patrick was saying, you know, narration to, you know, to someone of, of his background , you know, and background, you know, and holding office, that was something that nicola sturgeon demonstrated when she became, you know, the first female first minister in scotland. and these things, you know, are important. i think humza has got a lot to be proud of. but i think that what we can say is that his address today was very humble, he he's admitted that he's made mistakes and he has done the

right thing and resigned, to be honest with you, i didn't really see any other option for him. and so i'm glad that he's, you know , that it has now, realised know, that it has now, realised that this is the right thing to do. and, you know, the party and for parliament to move forward. >> that's not what you said to me on friday night. austin, when we were doing our show together, you were telling me you'd like it to carry on, on friday, i said the only way that he could carry on his relationships with the scottish green party became, it became clear, later on that night, that the green party were not, going to be entertaining, working with humza yousaf. i also made clear that i knew that alex salmond's alba party would not be tolerable, to progressive members like myself. so for me, it became very, very clear early on when the green party said that they were not prepared to enter any further discussions with humza yousaf, that the only opfion with humza yousaf, that the only option that humza would have, would have would be step aside and allow a new snp leader. amte

power new iteration shapps and the scottish parliament with other parliamentary groups. because when you're in a minority government, you've got no choice in this. >> had this had more to do with well, this had, didn't wasn't just to do with the, the mistake that he made over this power sharing agreement with the greens . this is about his choice greens. this is about his choice of policy. should be the hate crime bill. broadly broadly. i mean, there was a consensus growing that it was shambolic , growing that it was shambolic, nick, not only in its writing, but also in the way its implement dated 1800. police reports against himself. also, all the questions over gender identification in a very public row with jk rowling, who's hugely popular among large sections of the population, and then it seems to me that this man was overpromoted and just did not have the same perspective as the vast majority of scottish people. >> so even i had to publicly jk rowling i don't i don't think that that makes him happy because i've had obe jk rowling. no.andin because i've had obe jk rowling. no. and in terms of the hate

crime legislation, what we have to remember is every single political party apart from the conservative party supported that legislation. so it's not just a case of this is that this was snp or indeed snp green legislation. this was legislation. this was legislation that was backed by the scottish labour party and the scottish labour party and the scottish labour party and the scottish liberal democrats as well. so i think it's important to recognise, you know, that , that when there is know, that, that when there is cross—party consensus in the scottish parliament and, you know, and that, you know, that thatis know, and that, you know, that that is that's acknowledged . the that is that's acknowledged. the problem that humza found himself in, is that he had lost trust, where other party leaders in particular the scottish green party, he's then realised that, you know , in order for the snp you know, in order for the snp to navigate legislation through parliament and budgets, that we need a new leader who is going to be able to forge new iterations, because even if even if humza had managed to win the, you know, the no confidence vote, it would have been on a 64, 64 basis. if albert bachet humza yousaf then the presiding officer, you know, we would have cast the vote in favour of humza because it's because it's

convention. but then post that. how are you meant to get budgets through ? how are you meant to through? how are you meant to get legislation through? if your tithe , if you're tied at 64, 60. tithe, if you're tied at 64, 60. >> yeah, exactly. it would have it would have been incredibly difficult. austin, thank you very, very much for coming on. much appreciated. you take care. that's austin sheridan there. former snp councillor. interesting isn't it? because since becoming first minister, humza yousaf has overseen the contraction of the scottish economy. missed a&e targets nhs waiting lists that have increased by 9.5% on the year before. we've also seen a rise in violence and sexual offences in violence and sexual offences in more than 12,400 train cancellations. up surprise he didn't lose confidence in himself . but didn't lose confidence in himself. but let's speak to political correspondent at the spectator . it's james hill now, spectator. it's james hill now, james, we're going to have a little look back, aren't we? as some of humza yousafs greatest hits. okay. what what's the standard? because he wants to say his legacy is 100,000 children out of poverty , children out of poverty, tackling inequality and discrimination. that's what he's pinning his legacy on. what are his what are his greatest moments for you? james >> well, i very much enjoyed the

fact today that he was talking about being a trailblazer. and i mean , i suppose he's mean, i suppose he's a trailblazer in the sense that he was the first of the three snp first ministers to avoid arrest on serious charges . so there's on serious charges. so there's that, feather in his cap, but really , you look back over the really, you look back over the past 13 months or so, 14 months when he was first minister, and really, it's just been an absolute disaster. >> unfortunately, on every single one of the metrics he set himself. and i think what the trouble with humza yousaf, for instance, is, he was sometimes almost too honest for her own good and so when he was asked for his comment on the arrest of , nicola sturgeon said it was always, always a surprise when my colleagues gets arrested. so i think there's that, you know, as a sort of great loss to comedy today, six months ago, of course, patrick, he was on the front cover of time magazine, and today it's time's up for humza yousaf. >> now, there it is, there it is, there it is. >> trailblazer. next generation leaders . he must have been very leaders. he must have been very happyindeed leaders. he must have been very happy indeed to have that front coven happy indeed to have that front cover. there very vogue, james, we all remember of course, the moment where he decided to get

on a motorised scooter and he. scooter there he is. >> there it was. it wasn't even motorised. that's the point. no, it's not motorised. >> you're right, you're right. four wheels. but no. and james, am i right in thinking that he actually got in touch with the bbc to ask them to take it down? is that right ? is that right? >> yes. that clip was from before he was first minister. but yes, that was exactly right. he complained about it and i think, you know, as a visual metaphor, emily, it's perfect because he was of course, tripped up by himself. and that's exactly how he has been brought down last week, choosing to blow up the bute house agreement and a sort of you can't dump me, i dump you. and so , you know, sort of briefing so, you know, sort of briefing glorious moment to grace the face of scottish politics. yeah. >> look. absolutely. and of course , the sign language course, the sign language interpreter that he had to next him today was white. and that's another key moment for humza yousaf, isn't it? everything around him and everything in scotland was white, it wasn't it. and that speech will go down now in infamy. the same colour one would imagine as his resignation letter slash p45 .

resignation letter slash p45. >> yeah. and the flag he was waving today. i mean, look, unlike , you know, unlike his two unlike, you know, unlike his two previous leaders who could talk about being successful politicians even if they weren't great statesmen in some ways, humza yousaf, unfortunately , humza yousaf, unfortunately, doesn't really leave a policy legacy. he unfortunately had to. everything was elected on. he had to end up tearing up, he embarked on a course of social liberalism and environmental policy that ended up being an anathema to huge numbers of his colleagues and his voters, as well . and so it's really well. and so it's really difficult to see, you know, when he comes out with statements today, like saying that independence is touchingly close, you know , very close, close, you know, very close, etc. it's absolute nonsense. and it shows just how bad his political judgement was and why he will now go down in history as the second shortest serving first minister in scotland's history, and the shortest ever serving first minister in uk history since devolution was created 25 years ago. >> at least he's good at interpretive dance . interpretive dance. >> stay at that absolute stay. >> stay at that absolute stay. >> well, all i'm thinking, emily, is, you know, for a post—political career. you know, who knows what i mean? you know,

nicola sturgeon, we've seen her out on the town dancing this week, being too busy to give evidence to a holyrood, to a westminster committee. so, you know, look, i think if maybe humza yousafs dance is his fleet of foot is perhaps better than the political fleet of foot he showed so dismally in office dunng showed so dismally in office during his time at holyrood. >> and james, just on a serious note, just on a serious note, some people are saying that this has ended the fight for independence for a generation, that this could even call into question the entire notion of devolution in scotland. do you think that's overstating this ? think that's overstating this? >> i do, because i think you've got to remember, of course, emily, that it was 15 years ago that the snp won, just six seats at a general election. then five years later, in 2015, they won all but 356 out of 59 seats. now they're on course at the next election to win around just 25 seats. so i think you've got to remember how volatile scottish politics is. and also remember the support for independence is still around 47, 48. so yes , still around 47, 48. so yes, humza yousaf is gone, maybe to

become an interpretive dancer next or whatever, but the fight will remain. and so i think that any unionist politician has to take real care with this issue, yeah. no, sorry. ijust take real care with this issue, yeah. no, sorry. i just wanted to say as well, i think we do have a little clip of him dancing as well. i think that was it. was that it, or is there more? i think there's all right. well, anyway. yeah. there we go. it's hard to tell. there we look at it. i just wanted to end on this same one again. there we go. look, because it's important, isn't it, just to see him there and in happier times, habitat curled up in a ball. james, look, thank you very, very much, it's james heale there is a political correspondent at the spectator. there we go. shall we do the humza yousaf into a break? there we are. all right. okay. look, we've still got loads more to come. i mean, he will be missed, by the way. he will be missed. >> now, this is a this is an interesting story for you. this is new this hour. so the health secretary, victoria atkins, has announced a crackdown on woke nhs policies. so this is things like chestfeeding the term chestfeeding, which we're seeing more and more and more of instead of breastfeeding, of course, that may be banned . is course, that may be banned. is this some kind of victory for common sense ? yeah. common sense? yeah. >> this is the anti—woke

crusade, essentially a victory for esther mcvey , actually, for esther mcvey, actually, because she's also getting civil servants back in the office. discrimination lawyer. robin moira, why she joins us next. and make sure you stay tuned as well for the latest diplomatic row between the uk and the repubuc row between the uk and the republic of ireland over illegal

immigration. well, in just a few minutes time, we've got some astonishing footage for you of a couple of thugs wielding machetes who were trapped in a shop. i will let the footage do the talking in a few minutes. but before that, health secretary victoria has called time on woke nhs policies , with changes to the health service's constitution to be announced later this week. the removal of woke from the nhs. >> yes, this is interesting actually, because referring to people with ovaries rather than women will be outlawed, as will

the term. the controversial term that we're seeing everywhere chestfeeding that will be outlawed too. >> honestly. right. so trans patients are expected to be banned from women only wards. so is this now a victory for common sense and biological sex? can i just say this is arguably a two part victory because esther mcvey was very keen to point out to us here @gbnews that she's also getting civil servants back into work. so maybe that means a minister for anti—woke is actually working. but we're joined now by the discrimination lawyer, robin moira white. robin, thank you very much. great to have you on the show. yeah. i'm in a very windy wiltshire. >> lovely . >> lovely. >> lovely. >> all right. >> all right. >> well, it's the end of chestfeeding robin. good thing. >> should we really be policing language? >> i mean, in an nhs where for meeting the 18 week deadline , is meeting the 18 week deadline, is a failure across all sorts of different treatment. is this really the focus that the health

secretary will be having? >> but isn't the problem that these sort of changes initially? so going from breastfeeding to chest feeding, going from women to people who have ovaries probably cost quite a lot in terms of consultation to begin with, well , that's an important with, well, that's an important word as well, because the way in which you announce things at the start of the piece was that these changes are to be introduced there at the moment. >> what this is, is a consultation which has been leaked to certain parts of the press isn't actually out yet for anybody to respond to. >> and yeah, i'm, i'm afraid to say it's, it's misrepresent because, there isn't a ban on using conventional language. >> what the nhs has been doing is broadening the way it speaks about people , and including about people, and including language that includes other groups. >> it doesn't exclude ordinary language . language. >> yeah. but robin, one of the

one of the problems is though, it's also been including men on women's wards, doesn't it. and that's another aspect of this is less of a topic, i would argue maybe about language at its core and maybe more of one about women's safety . women's safety. >> well, then perhaps the health secretary ought to look at the translucent survey, who freedom of information act requested, i think, over a couple of years, several hundred nhs trusts and found one complaint in two years, as opposed to the 200,000 general complaints about treatment on the nhs. so are we solving a problem that doesn't exist? >> yeah, i take your point, robin , but do you also robin, but do you also understand why a lot of women and i mean a lot of women find terms like chest feeding and people who have ovaries, quite offensive . offensive. >> i can understand that. but the presentation is that these terms are being used exclusively

of terms like they have been in some literature . well, then some literature. well, then that's probably a bad thing. but including using inclusive language. i mean, we now talk aboutis language. i mean, we now talk about is we're inviting people to a world where partners, not just wives , so that we include just wives, so that we include women in the workplace and people in same sex relationship, and we add in inclusive language. how can that be a problem ? problem? >> okay. and, i mean, a lot of people will think that this is a step potentially back in the right direction, a victory for common sense. you know, you mentioned there that there have been more complaints about nhs care and treatment than there have been about about this kind of stuff. i dare say that maybe some of that is because people would have been afraid of being. i'm sorry. >> wendy. wheelchair. i think has blown your sound away and i'm not hearing you now. >> okay, i think we might leave wendy welsher, actually, but thank you very much, robin. great stuff. thank you. robin. yes, just on that. just on that. i think you make an interesting

point there. several interesting points about thank you patrick. the fact that it is no, it must be as a woman offensive to have your your body reduced to a carcase with ovaries , and you'd carcase with ovaries, and you'd be right. i do find it thoroughly offensive . now, thoroughly offensive. now, i understand what robin's saying there, and she's downplaying it and saying, well, you know, as long as you include all these terms , then it's quite all terms, then it's quite all right. but we've seen, you know , right. but we've seen, you know, the way. yeah. essentially saying that a woman is just the sum of her her parts. it's often men doing this as well. rude isn't it. >> and i think, you know, when it comes to this kind of stuff, it's the slow mission creep isn't chestfeeding. it's part of a much bigger picture i hope certainly takes place in our nhs, which is why do some nhs trusts have things like art curators on the taxpayer dime? why do nhs trusts have a load of diversity and inclusion managers? why do they have people who come up with quite a lot of bonkers decisions and the genden lot of bonkers decisions and the gender, the gender flag mural that was a particular favourite? yeah, it's a creep, creep,

creep. can i just say this is this is potentially some good work here. people may disagree, i don't know, but i think there's some good work here that is actually being done by esther mcvey. some of it done quite quietly as well. the getting the civil servants to return back to the office. good thing getting the office. good thing getting the nhs to maybe look again at its woke, pronunciation and woke literature that there is there. that's a good thing. so maybe we are seeing seeing things moving in the right direction. can i just tell you, alert you to another story that i teased earlier on, because we are going to be having a little look now at some, well, it's alarming footage. it's a little bit of a trigger warning for you here on this. okay. a little bit of a trigger warning. it may contain some things that you might find distressing. >> yes. well, this footage shows two criminals attempt an armed robbery in a small shop in the smethwick area of birmingham. now, as you can see, there is an attempt to shut the machete wielding man there inside the shop. wielding man there inside the shop . that's the shopkeeper shop. that's the shopkeeper outside who's been blurred out his identity . the shopkeeper his identity. the shopkeeper manages to make a dash for it.

as you can see in escape . he is as you can see in escape. he is then assisted by a passer by who helps the shopkeeper hold the doom helps the shopkeeper hold the door, keeping the two robbers inside. but. but they escape through a bathroom window out the back of the shop, so they trap them in, but unfortunately the pair, before the police arrived, escaped out the back of the shop . and now the police the shop. and now the police are, of course, appealing for witnesses to come forward . now witnesses to come forward. now this is shocking. this is the state of modern britain, some of our high streets, a shopkeeper having to attempt to barricade two machete wielding men inside his own shop, trying to steal, presumably all the money in their till, trying to steal whatever is worth a bit of cash in that shop, and then they're escaping out the back. do you want to know a funny detail to this very, very distressing story? >> yeah, there is a funny detail on this because there were two of them. all right. you're looking at one of them with the machete there. but his mate, who apparently didn't have a machete or had or who had dash the machete somewhere in the shop, was desperately claiming to be an innocent party. i've never met this guy before. i've never

met this guy before. i've never met the machete man. and he was trying to claim that he was innocent and that the police didn't need to look into him. >> how quick thinking one of them was the shopkeeper was the shopkeeper. this is according to the reports that we have the shopkeeper smashed two bottles of wine to distract them, by which time he managed to leap out of the shop and barricade them in by slamming shut the door and keeping them in. so he potentially saved his life through that quick thinking. but now the police are on the hunt, so if any witnesses, if you were witness to this, if you were privy to any information, please do get in touch with the police up in birmingham, because these people need to be caught. >> some people, of course, might think the real crime there is smashing two bottles of wine. but up next, a gb news exclusive. yes, absolutely. gb news. exclusive migrants are using children as human shields now to stop police puncturing their small boats, as, according to border force officials . so to border force officials. so it's all going off on the beaches of calais, and we'll have the very latest, including exclusive pictures and video for you after the news with sam francis.

>> very good afternoon to you. it's just after 2:30 leading the news this afternoon. a leadership contest will be launched in scotland after the first minister announced his resignation. humza yousaf admitted he underestimated the level of upset caused by cutting political ties with the greens. he's also stepping down as snp leader but will continue in his post until a replacement is found. mr yousaf says he's quitting to help repair relationships across the scottish political divide. >> i could never have dreamt that one day i would have the privilege of leading my country . privilege of leading my country. people who looked like me were not in positions of political influence. let alone leading governments when i was younger. but we now live in a uk that has a british hindu prime minister, a british hindu prime minister, a muslim mayor of london, a black welsh first minister and for a little while longer , the for a little while longer, the scots first minister of this country . so for those who decry

country. so for those who decry that multiculturalism has failed across the uk, i would suggest that the evidence is quite to the contrary . the contrary. >> two men have been charged with murder after a torso was found in a nature reserve in salford, greater manchester police believe human remains at three other locations also belong to the same victim, thought to be a man in his 60s, the initial discovery was made by a member of the public at kersal dale wetlands, three and a half weeks ago , and a half weeks ago, and campaigners are outside parliament, as you can see here. if you're watching on television, that's as mps are preparing to debate whether assisted dying should be legalised for terminally ill people. it's after more than 200,000 signatures were added to a petition backed by dame esther rantzen, who has herself stage four cancer. those who oppose the change in the law say vulnerable people could be pressured into ending their lives . that's the latest from

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i >> right. you've got a little bit more time with us, too. but

at 3:00, it is martin daubney , at 3:00, it is martin daubney, martin, are you there? and what is coming up on your show this afternoon ? afternoon? >> i'm here. >> i'm here. >> guys, you've got a fantastic chemistry . it's almost like you chemistry. it's almost like you know each other. >> fantastic show together . >> fantastic show together. >> fantastic show together. >> loving it. what have i got? well, goodbye to my woke. will finally humza yousaf going . see finally humza yousaf going. see the end of this dismal, pursuit of trans politics, of hate crime. politics of net zero, nightmarish policies which are seeing scottish people on record, waiting lists, crime soaring. can we finally get back to basics, or is that hoping for too much? i'll also speak to the leader of an irish political party who says the island blaming britain for its migration woes is an absolute fantasy. its own woke politicians are to blame . politicians are to blame. imagine my surprise in 2020. ursula von der leyen, the european commission president, said immigration did nothing but ennch said immigration did nothing but enrich the eu and now her party, the biggest party in europe, has

a rwanda style return scheme . a rwanda style return scheme. why is that? i'll speak to an mep who says basically they're on the verge of a populist backlash. they're on the verge of getting wiped out , so of getting wiped out, so suddenly they're all becoming mini nigel farage. >> all that coming on my show. >> all that coming on my show. >> oh, lovely stuff, martin. well done. that's fantastic energy as always. three till 6 pm. so make sure you keep it gb p.m. so make sure you keep it gb news martin daubney the european union full of little nigel farages. >> nigel can't even go to brussels without being barricaded into a conference centre . centre. >> so, a lot of people are going to be asking why on earth we had to be asking why on earth we had to let it get this bad before we just did the things that most people were calling for anyway. but there we are. have your say gbnews.com forward slash your say, but as martin was talking about that yeah. big protest eu and ireland when it comes to migrants, illegal migrants and, we're going to be talking a bit about that now, aren't we? because yes . because yes. >> well, as you can see here, there have been arson attacks in ireland. we've seen riots on the

streets , mass protests, lots of streets, mass protests, lots of women concerned for the safety of their daughters in ireland because they have had an absolutely huge influx of illegal and legal migration into their country and local people. the irish public are very much divided on this huge, huge , divided on this huge, huge, influx of migrants, illegal and illegal. and the irish public, they're not best pleased. they're not best pleased . they're not best pleased. >> we talk about, you know, replacement or whatever. and sometimes that word is bandied about, but you look at the population of ireland . that was population of ireland. that was until a couple of years ago, a few years ago, about 3.5 million is now 5.3 million, according to the figures i've got in front of me here. people who do the census might dispute that. fine. but that's what the figures i've got in front of me here. >> why are our leaders so squeamish about dealing with this issue? until it is literally until it is literally staring them so much in the face so directly in the face that they have to do something. but

look at this crazy, you know, you've got a population there in ireland dispersed rurally in a lot of parts who were going to have a massive influx, have had a massive influx of people from other countries living in migrant hotels, etc. and they've decided , no, we're not going to decided, no, we're not going to do it, okay. >> and they've really hit out at it. and what is the upshot of that been a massive, catastrophic diplomatic row? well, catastrophic for the irish, may i say diplomatic row between the united kingdom and the republic of ireland, which has culminated so far today in the british government. and i genuinely do believe this playing an absolute blinder, because the line coming out of the british government is this you declared the republic of ireland, britain to be an unsafe country to return migrants to, because we might send them to rwanda. what has happened in the last few months? your people have started to rise up over the amount of illegal immigration you've had. the eu is now looking at implementing a rwanda scheme, and you are trying to change your law to redeclare as a safe country, and we are having none of it. so as it stands , the news today that we stands, the news today that we brought you a little earlier on

is that we will not be taking illegal migrants back from the repubuc illegal migrants back from the republic of ireland. >> sense of irony, sense of hypocrisy . it's very interesting hypocrisy. it's very interesting to see that the european union are now changing their tune. but there you go. let us know what you think. gb news communaute. but moving on. the duke and duchess of sussex are set to make a joint trip to nigeria in may next month, after meghan revealed during her podcast in 2022 that she is actually 43% nigerian. very specific, very specific. >> the trip is linked to their work with the invictus games and the couple expected are expected to meet military servicemen and women, as well as taking part in an array of cultural activities. well lovely. >> we're joined now by the sun's former royal correspondent charles rea. now, charles, on the surface , absolutely the surface, absolutely harmless. what's wrong with them doing a little tour of nigeria , doing a little tour of nigeria, particularly if meghan markle is herself 43% nigeria indian. but on the other hand , is this a bit

on the other hand, is this a bit of a non—royal royal trip or is this a bit cheeky on their part . this a bit cheeky on their part. >> no, i don't think it's cheeky. >> i mean, what is, nigeria's loss is our gain to be perfectly honest, as long as she doesn't come here, that's absolutely fine. >> i mean, you know, they go to nigeria . nigeria. >> i mean, she's still got to make the point that she's. what is it, 43, nigerian , i don't is it, 43, nigerian, i don't understand what she's talking about. i mean, we now know she's not coming. i think we now know she's not coming, to the uk . not coming. i think we now know she's not coming, to the uk. i never believed that she was coming. and i do, and i certainly believe that she will never set foot in this country ever again. >> so we've got harry coming on his own. >> he'll then fly back to the states, where he'll pick up meghan and they'll go off and do their nigerian, business. >> i don't have any problems with them being in nigeria. >> it's an invictus games, matter , which he's very, very

matter, which he's very, very passionate about. i don't fault him for that at all, okay. you did. you did mention there as well that harry is going to be returning to the uk without meghan, it's going to be in just over a week's time for a ceremony marking the 10th anniversary of the invictus games . now, as we understand it, games. now, as we understand it, no senior members of the royal family have got any plans to see him while he's here, no, not at all. so i don't know how long he's going to be here. whether he's going to be here. whether he flies in the evening before it goes to the church service and then flies back out again because he's got he's got form for doing that. >> you know, just spending basically half an hour or an hourin basically half an hour or an hour in the uk. i don't think he's going to see his father. i may be i may be wrong, but i don't know where where it's going to come. he's certainly not going to see his brother. >> no. look just quickly, charlie, just on the back on the old nigeria stuff. this was one of the big things that they were saying about why why meghan markle could have been a massive asset to the royal family. you know, because she can use their ethnicity around, commonwealth nafions ethnicity around, commonwealth nations as well, around that part of the world. do you think

they're trying to stick two fingers up slightly to the royal family by doing this? showing how popular they are with, you know, the african population, maybe. >> i don't think they're trying to stick two fingers up to the royal family on this occasion. >> i think they've stuck two fingers up to the royal family throughout. you know, what they've been doing since they quit the uk, but this is, this is something that he's passionate about. she's going to be with him, it's just amazing that she's not coming here to be by his side for this invictus games scenario. and it just ends months and months of speculation, which she's a drama queen. she could have said weeks and weeks ago, yes. i'm coming. no i'm not. >> yeah, it's ridiculous . >> yeah, it's ridiculous. >> yeah, it's ridiculous. >> well, there you go. thank you very much indeed. charles rae and sons, former royal correspondent of course, always good to get charles. charles is a reaction to these types of stories, isn't it? yeah. >> well, look. exactly. well, maybe people think they're doing a good thing. and it's good that harry's back and all of that. we'll have to wait and see. but coming up, thousands of protesters took to the streets

in hamburg in germany yesterday calling for an islamic caliphate. it is happening. totally normal. exactly. that, by the way, was supposed to be a protest against islamophobia, which turned very quickly into calls for an islamic caliphate. we will bring you the very latest on that very

i >> -- >> well, emma >> well, we'd like to bring you some international news this afternoon before finishing the show. now, the german city of hamburg was rocked by protests over the weekend. thousands of people took to the streets, and some of whom were calling for an islamic caliphate in germany . islamic caliphate in germany. >> yeah, so there we go . the >> yeah, so there we go. the protests were organised by muslim interact , a protests were organised by muslim interact, a group under investigation by hamburg's domestic intelligence for extremism. >> yes . it's grown, this extremism. >> yes. it's grown, this group. it's grown in popularity since the start of the war between

israel and hamas. its leader , israel and hamas. its leader, joe edward boateng declaring on sunday that germany needed a righteous caliphate to remedy the misrepresentation of muslim groups in the media. so yes, this was all supposed to be about combating islamophobia , about combating islamophobia, particularly in the media. the complaints are that muslims are being misrepresented in the media, and this protest was there to tackle that. instead what did we see? extremists. >> all right. well, let's just wiz us through now to the former head of national counter terrorism security office is chris phillips. chris, thank you very much. great to have you on the show , look, i mean, this the show, look, i mean, this problem, is it coming our way ? problem, is it coming our way? >> do you think it's already here? >> patrick, you know, we've got an enormous number of people in the uk. >> people are actually you would consider to be quite middle of the road, actually do believe in the road, actually do believe in the caliphate. >> they do believe that we should be living under sharia

law and it's not just in in the uk either. it's right across europe. >> and it's going to be a big issue for fun . issue for fun. >> but the, the group that organised this particular protest , it appears to be protest, it appears to be currently under investigation by the german government or the german security services , at german security services, at least over extremism. so presumably they may be considering whether they should prescribe this group in one way or another. what do you think the german government should do to combat this? >> well, take affirmative action. >> and i think it's not only the german government, it's , german government, it's, governments right across europe. we can't accept that this is ever going to be allowed to be the case. >> so you really do have to nip these kind of things in the bud. and those people that do proclaim, you know what, as i said before , what we consider said before, what we consider extremist views are not necessarily extremist views within the community, then they should be prescribed and it needs to be stopped, in its

infancy rather than allow it to take over. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and you mentioned that this is pretty commonplace over here as well. i suppose one of the big concerns is that if people do, you know, value a higher power , over the law of the land power, over the law of the land and the rule of the land , then and the rule of the land, then they might try to influence the law of the land to , to, you law of the land to, to, you know, i suppose, pander to their own religious views on the current state of play. chris how much more extreme is this going to get ? to get? >> well, i think we're in for a long haul and a very difficult haul >> and as you said, it's a it's a very easy thing actually. if you get a block vote of people that in a democracy they can they can actually bring in legislation to protect their views. so we, you know, we're all democrats . we all believe in all democrats. we all believe in democracy. >> but if you allow people with a certain view to vote in a certain in certain ways, then you will get laws that we don't all agree with. and that's going to be an issue. and i think i

think, you know, that what we've seen as a result of this is the rise of people that are trying to buck against this, and that's what we're going to have for the generations to come. >> how long do you think it will be before we do have an enclave of sharia law in europe or in britain? >> chris, i think if you go to many cities across the uk and many cities across the uk and many cities across the uk and many cities in in europe, they they would say there are areas that are a bit like that now and that's a really concerning point. >> and, and we've got to stop it. we can't allow this to just, move across the country in a, in a way that we can't control. >> the problem is, it seems that a lot of our politicians are much more comfortable about talking about the positives of multiculturalism. we heard from humza yousaf today in his resignation speech, to that point. but they're very uncomfortable a lot of them, apart from a few about talking about these difficulties, they're scared . they're scared. >> well, they are scared. >> well, they are scared. >> and it's the very the very same with police officers trying to deal with this kind of

incident. >> they're called racists. >> they're called racists. >> but but look, you have to bearin >> but but look, you have to bear in mind that we don't have this same problem with hindu, communities, and we don't have the same problem with sikhs or the same problem with sikhs or the jewish community. >> it's just not an issue. this is a thing particular to islam . is a thing particular to islam. they believe in a certain way of law. they believe that their law is over and above any man made law and that's the way that the world should be. >> yeah. and well, i thought one of the teachings was that you you abide by the laws of the land you're living in. >> that's what i thought. >> that's what i thought. >> well, we'll we'll have to see how that turns out when we look. chris, thank you very, very much . chris phillips there, who is the national was the national counter terrorism security office lead, look. yeah. okay. this comes, i think, quite conveniently timed with the european union. now looking at doing some kind of full scale rwanda plan, etc. it didn't take a genius to work out, did it? angela merkel being a key proponent of all of this, you know, flooding a country and dare i say it, an entire continent with people from a

certain part of the world, she said. >> multiculturalism is dead. well, so she's, said a lot, hasn't she? >> well, there we go. well, can i just thank you, for emily, allowing me to co—host with you today. it's fantastic. it's been it's been great. it's been a great afternoon. >> britain . >> britain. >> britain. >> that's what it's been. i've thoroughly enjoyed it. i will be back for what it's worth, 9 to 11 pm. this evening for patrick christys tonight. >> and i'll be back tomorrow at 12:00. but of course, what do we have next? we have none other than the brilliant martin daubney . he's got a rip roar of daubney. he's got a rip roar of a show coming up. shall we get your latest weather before we begin all of that, i wonder what martin's got in store. well, he told us, didn't he? anyway, stay with . us. with. us. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> afternoon. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office for gb news, an east west split with the weather again tomorrow, it will feel a

bit warmer in many eastern areas, but again further west. just like today, the low pressure will dominate and there will be further outbreaks of rain. this weather front has made for quite a damp day over parts of wales. that rain now extending up across northern scotland. some heavy showers for northern ireland for a while. it should turn drier here through this evening. drying up in southern scotland , staying dry southern scotland, staying dry across east anglia and the south—east, but further rain at times over the midlands, parts of wales and the southwest of england too, where it stays cloudy. temperatures likely to stay up eight nine, maybe ten degrees celsius, with some clearer spells . not particularly clearer spells. not particularly chilly, certainly a much milder night than recently across scotland, maybe 5 or 6 through some sheltered glens. generally, though, a lot of cloud around on tuesday morning, some heavier rain again for. northern ireland and parts of wales, particularly pembrokeshire. early on and then devon and cornwall too. but a much brighter day for northern england. plenty of sunshine right across northern england, the midlands, east anglia and the midlands, east anglia and the south east and here really will feel quite a bit warmer

than it has done for most of april. 16, 17, 18 degrees easily. it will be cooler where we've got the cloud and the outbreaks of rain further west. quite blustery here too, particularly in the morning thanks to this area of low pressure . now that does peel pressure. now that does peel away, allowing warmer air to move in through the rest of this week, but there will still be some rain around as well. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

gb news. way. >> hey. very good afternoon to you. and a happy monday, 3 pm. welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news. broadcasting live from the heart of westminster all across the uk. well, what now for scotland ? well, what now for scotland? after the resignation of humza yousaf as first minister? was he broke after going woke? and who will be the next leader? we'll

get reaction and analysis throughout the show next up, the growing dispute over who should look after the increasing numbers of asylum seekers in ireland. the uk says it won't accept any returns of those who've travelled there until eu law is changed. they want an open borders now suddenly they changed their minds. there's also a huge benefits row looming after the government revealed plans to replace sickness benefits payments with vouchers. would that be fair or an attack on disabled people's rights? we'll have a full debate on that. and finally, we have this the astonishing footage showing how a machete wielding thug is locked into a shop by its owner dunng locked into a shop by its owner during an attempted armed robbery . the shop here at robbery. the shop here at shopkeeper is a total hero. >> sadly , they got away and >> sadly, they got away and that's all coming up in your next hour. what was the show?

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