now. >> brian: commissioner, can you talk about do they have ear pieces? is there an overall command telling people to move or do they just have orders and the last communications they had with superiors was an hour ago? >> no, they all have the in there. they are getting very good communication from there. vantage where we are watching and telling them modify what to move in and take down. they are doing it step-by-step the way they should be doing it and the way they are trained to do. >> steve: commissioner as we have been looking at the special operations unit. a lot of these guys are sweating like crazy because as you pointed out a little while ago, first of all it's california and a little warmer than north dakota. but, also, they have got 70 pounds of tackle tactical ge. they have been standing there for hours. they finally got the order to go one hour ago. if you are that guy and you are exhausted, what's going through your head? >> you are relying on your

training. when people say defund the police, you invest in the police. if you want a better product, you put the money behind the training, you'll get a better product. you are getting the best product that california has to offer right now. and can you see the way they are going through this. nobody is getting hurt. they are not losing control. they are staying and trusting their training to take over here. >> brian: commissioner, you said time is on the cops' side. at what point is it not on their side? what takes place where you have to pick up the pace? >> when they start using deadly force. when the crowd starts to fire into the police department, no longer do we have time on our side. we got to go and go quickly. we are here to protect life, preserve life. disadvantage right now, they are going to go through it step-by-step by step. on the other side you will watch the cowards run away that started most of these problems. and these students that are there are going to get arrested and mommy and daddy should have to pay for all the damage and overtime going on here right

now. >> lawrence: commissioners stand by and reset at the top of the hour. if you are now joining the fox news channel we are watching ucla as cops make their way. tactical team is in place. medics are in place as they stop this encampment that they have given them 48 hours ago to disperse. the president of the university finally called in the cops. they are being attacked right now with tear gas as well as bear spray. fire extinguishers. octobers thrown at them. commissioner, just to bring you back. in we are way past the first amendment, right? i mean, they say that they are protesting but it looks like a brawl going on. [sirens] >> it's way past the first amendment. everybody teaches you in law school your first amendment, you can't yell fire in a crowded theater. they are yelling fire. every one of them are yelling fire right now in a crowded theater. and we're going in, that's no longer protected by the first amendment. it's now a violent riot situation. >> carley: certainly is not. let's bring in back in william

longness on ucla's campus right now. william, we'll understand you have new reaction from the university itself? >> william: yeah, exactly. the university just put out a statement i will read portion of it. they are soft pedaling the whole thing. if you fail to leave and remain present in the encampment, regardless of your purpose or remaining, you are in violation of law. and those who choose to remain could face sanctions or students those sanctions could include disciplinary measures such as interim suspension that after a proper due process through the student conduct process could lead to dismissal. faculty disciplinary actions for the faculty who are on the inside and several are, you could -- that's going to be handled through the senate judiciary committee and academic affairs and personnel and staff employees, disciplinary actions will be handled through human resources. so, the long and short of it is, they may face arrest here. and they may be booked. but, in terms of being expelled from the university, it doesn't look like that's going to

happen. the faculty have been very sympathetic, been on the inside. doesn't look like they're going to be fired. i also want to tell you, so, you know that royce hall is on one side. the library is on the other. the people on the inside had barricaded those doors. it looks like police to me have made another entry point up along royce hall. right now they have been kind of contained to this one entry point. but now it appears to me that police have made a second place they are going to be able to get into that encampment quicker and try to clear the people out in a faster fashion. but oven seeing those flash bangs go off as i said. they are very confusing. but we have seen another dozen students pulled out and be detained and led off to the buses. back to you. >> steve: if folks are just tuning in -- good morning, it's thursday, and look what is happening at ucla. it had been a peaceful protest for over a week until yesterday. and that's when, as you can see what's left of the plywood and

pallet -- essentially fort, that protesters built inside the quad there. there were some counter protesters who were pro-israeli. and there were a lot of israeli residents. [bang] >> los angeles who actually went to the campus and confronted them. and apparently that was the spark plug that has now forced the administration to say okay. this is unsustainable. you got to go in. that's why they said yesterday that the encampment was illegal. and if you don't get out, you're going to get in trouble. jonathan hunt is out in los angeles right now. and, jonathan, we have all been following this for a while. but it does seem like they were just willing to let it go, the whole first amendment thing until the jewish residents came yesterday and got in to the faces and essentially there was a melee on tv. >> jonathan: yeah. i think it is absolutely significant that that was as passover -- the passover holiday

concluded and many jewish people and sympathizers with the israelis decided that they needed to take matters into their own hands. and i think it was a real aim at that, steve. you hit the nail on the head. it was a real aim of those counter protesters to force ucla to do something, to force law enforcement in l.a. to do something. because they said if you don't, this is what you're going to see. brawling on the campus between the pro-palestinians and the pro-israelis. so they went, i believe, with the aim of sparking some sort of action from ucla and from los angeles, law enforcement agencies because they were simply fed up and frustrated with the way jewish people were being intimidated, harassed and prevented having the freedom of movement on campus. >> brian: all right. by the way. there is a statement out from

gavin newsom. here's what he said. take your time, gavin. don't rush. i condemn the violence at ucla -- this is from yesterday? >> steve: yeah. >> brian: all right. i condemn the violence at ucla last night. the law is clear. the right to free press does not extend to inciting violence, vandalism or lawlessness on campus. those who engage in illegal behavior must be held accountable for their action including criminal prosecution, suspension or expulsion. i don't know if he is talking to the pro-israelis. so i don't know why i'm reading that i apologize. but, right now we're looking at the movement inside, pinsd the lines, of the lapd, who was put a call out 8:00 local time, disband the encampment. they ignored it. they waited. and about an hour ago. [bangs] >> at which time they received flash bangs in the face. fire extinguishers de blasioed at them and pepper spray perhaps. sit there with gas masks on. important to point out that there is a dozen faculty, maybe

more at high perch proudly holding a sign saying they support the students and the protests. and let everybody know the people that are happiest about this are in iran, are in gaza, and these -- and hamas. and if you want to ever get those hostages out, you are making the case for hamas to hold out and keep them down in those tunnels. so it's all linked together. >> lawrence: this comes on the heels of you had nypd counter-terrorism. number one counter-terrorism unit outside of the fbi counter-terrorism saying there were outside actors that are leading this, that are influencing these students, that are radicalizing them. they gave them the appropriate time to clear out. and they just wouldn't do it. and as we look at these cops right now. if you look at the helmets, every department has different markings on it. each helmet is a different unit, a different job. whether it is crowd control, the ones that are going to do the arrests. the ones going to fire the canisters, the nonlethal, the

ones that have the rubber bullets. we are seeing in real time as they try to gain some type of control of ucla. >> carley: this is what happens when you allow these protesters to dictate what's going on, when it isn't a lawful protest. this isn't freedom of speech. college administrators were clearly too afraid to clear out the protesters, bending to their demands. they were too afraid to call police in to clear out those protesters and look at what is happening now as a result. it doesn't even look like the united states of america. looks like a third world country. >> brian: beginning to squeeze. >> steve: carley, the backlash was against police for not moving in and removing the jewish people trying to take things into their own hands. >> carley: who jonathan hunt was talking about a moment ago, let's go back to william la jeunesse, is he literally yards away from where this is happening. he has been there for three days. william, i have seen on the "new york times" right now, it's been hard for us to hear exactly what

the protesters are saying and now we can see exactly where you are, inside. [flash bangs] >> spray police what appear to be fire extinguishers, protesters were chanting "we're not scared." william? >> william: well, you know, i might be scared. you know, if i saw this coming at me. this is chp. they have now taken down the barriers. they have gotten through the fences. they have taken down the plywood. remember they had been limited to one access point over there. now you can see cops have literally came in about the last two minutes and literally knocked down everything, taken out that plywood. taken out these pop-ups right here and are moving in en masse into the encampment area. that's royce hall over there as i said they have barricaded over there. so the police could not enter through that building or any of the windows or any of the doors. the same with the library over here. now they have literally tossed all these pop-ups over here which they have been using to try to keep themselves from

getting the pepper or the gas from them over the top, right? so now those are gone and the police are going to move in right now and right in front of the police you can't see them right now are tents. probably about maybe 100 tents, and they are going to go right through those right now. as you said. >> lawrence: cell phones recording. we are watching this live. we can see all of you guys clearly. we are watching the interaction. yet they all have cell phones in front of the cops. as they assault them. >> william: the interesting thing is while the university was telling he these people they are going to be arrested and might face disciplinary action. simultaneously on social media people on the inside still have wifi they were calling for students to show up and come down here to the plaza right now to try to reinforce. now, some police officers had to go close off an area here. right now there is almost -- every officer who is here waiting go in, they are now on the inside.

>> brian: william, let me ask you something you, is it possible judging from what can you see for these officers to surrounds the encampment with their personnel at this point and begin to squeeze or do they still not have enough or is the encampment still too large? >> no. the police have been able to suffocate or cut off all the other access points. that's why saying people were deployed a minute ago to make sure that was safe there so they have been able to confine themselves, if you will to the plaza. what i don't think police have been -- you have an aerial, have they been able to come in from the west side? we are on the opposite side there. i don't know if they made entry over there. they did make entry through the royce hall a short time ago. but now the entire encampment is taken over by police. now it's just a matter of time before they make all the arrests and clear it out. >> steve: sure, william, when this started, 72 minutes ago,

you set the stage. essentially they built this plywood and pallet fort in the middle of that square at that squad at ucla. and there were dozens, if not 100 or so of the protesters in there. they were told by the cops. cops went in briefly, said if you don't get out, you are going to be art. then the cops went out. essentially said there were about 1,000 students surrounding that behind the cops kind of like spectators almost. gawkers. let's see what happens. the cops moved those people out, right? >> william: yeah. they moved them out. they were really worried about students, sympathizers if you will, coming in and basically impeding police in the action here and reinforcing. i wanted to show you guys something. remember i told you earlier that they sometimes use the plywood as a shield like studded with nails? look at the handles here. all right? you use this as a shield.

you use this to keep the pepper spray off you. that kind of thing. you could hear pli wood and pallet. the counter -- watch yourselves over there, guys, that's the situation here. >> carley: they were able to do that, william, because they had time. they were given a heads up, notice by police and by the administration at ucla that the encampment was going to get cleared. so, all the students inside it took 24 hours. they had a list of demands. they asked for food. they asked for nail guns. they asked for the wood that we see there that they built this fencing with. and it's interesting that this is really happening in phases. so, yesterday, you had the police on campus clearing out the riot. and it is strange that they weren't given a directive, william, to also clear out the

encampment. now 24 hours later, they are coming back and having to deal with all of this once again. >> william: that's true. they have been able to take root. that was the unusual thing. after declaring this an unlawful assembly, on tuesday, you would have thought the university would have reinforced that by stopping people from coming and going, as they pleased, from getting additional individuals as well as all the items you mentioned from home depot. that didn't happen. and that was unusual. [bang] >> william: after the counter protest a day or so to bring zip ties and bring fences together. to reinforce the wood and continuing up until the time we arrived here tonight. they were still resupplying themselves. there is no effort on the university's part to stop this from taking root. [bangs. [? >> >> lawrence: not just a week ago. not just a day ago, but even today. >> lawrence: william, as we are looking at the live shots here

at ucla. we are looking at a different posture of the law enforcement. it looks like the line, the police line is getting wider. do you get the impression now they are going to start making arrests and my second question is, what is the ratio of cops versus protesters, agitators there right now. [bang] >> lawrence: do you feel like the cops have enough people there on the ground? >> william: yeah, i do. i do. do you know what? there is a standoff right now. i don't know if you can see it. >> lawrence: we are watching that right now. you swomen women right behind tm the protesters, the people in the encampment. they have set up a line. i see their flags. it looks like they have some wood and so forth. the police, while they have taken down the barriers and the barricade if you will, they have stopped from moving in on a line of students. it looks like there are two or three deep. you see them in the white helmets over here. the protesters, they are going to be arrested. it's just a matter of time. but police have not moved in

with their zip ties as of yet. they have locked arms. and it just looks like it's a matter of time. but, before those -- it looks like the officers appear to be getting ready to start making additional arrests, but i'm looking at at least 100 people. >> lawrence: this is textbook strategy of the cops. have several lines right there. you grab one of the protesters, agitators, and push them to the back of the line, and the cops behind you will start to arrest you and search you, brian. >> brian: why don't we go to commissioner pat ryder now. >> william: look at right here, you guys. >> carley: go ahead, william. >> william: i was just going to say, it appears right now they are going to make some arrests right in this area. but you can still see them have some cardboard. they have some signs and shields trying to fend the police off. but this is all happening in real time. and there is a line of protesters there. you see the line of cops with their backs to you. and you see the strobe lights over here, the flashlights? looking at us. you know, i think you are

looking at several hundred people. [bangs] >> brian: i want to get commissioner ryder tactically what's developing right now? we see a lot of those guys grabbable but not grabbing them yet. they are not moving. commissioner, what is the next tactic? they can't obviously stay there. >> no, no what has happened they have regrouped. you saw a rush of fresh bodies come in. carley's point before, you got to -- you are standing for hours on your feet with all this weight on you. they rotated new cops. in they brought some out. this is, again, time is on our side. we now control the environment. we will wait and then when they start the next surge, they will start to pull them right through the line and start handerring the agitators to the back, place them under arrest, and keep moving the line forward. and then you are watching the rest of the cowards start to run. >> lawrence: commissioner, can you explain why they do the three lines there where you have one officer, the first line of officers that will grab the suspect and then push them to the back of the line and then

the arrests are conducted at the back of the line? >> yeah. it's like having a dam, right? you can't open it up too fast or everybody is going to come through. just open a piece, separate, walk that one guy out. close the wall back up. and then step forward again, doing the same thing over and over until they are all out of there. >> steve: yeah. jonathan hunt is viewing this from l.a. right now. and, jonathan has a unique fact that his wife was actually tear gassed a couple of days ago at this particular site. jonathan, first of all, who fired the tear gas at your wife and, also, why didn't they turn off the why didn't they turn off the wifi? because so many of these people have been posting things, hey, look where i am. i'm standing up for these guys, and i'm on the right side of free speech. why didn't they turn off the wifi? let's start with your wife. >> jonathan: thank you, steve. let's always start with my wife. she is doing well, thank you.

she is a lot tougher than i will ever be and a lot better reporter than i will ever be. she is just fine. she was pepper sprayed by pro-palestinian protesters as william and bill melugin who has been doing such good work down there for us can also tell you, the media has been a target of the protesters on many occasions down there. i want to point out though as we are looking at it now, how the tension has calmed down a little bit. you see the officers, the chp officers in the back lines now looking far more relaxed than they were just 15 minutes or so ago. they clearly feel that they have control of this. the weapons that they are carrying, the rubber bullets are largely lowered. we haven't seen them firing the tear gas canisters. they are clearly feeling that they're getting more and more control of this situation. they are taking more and more of those protesters out of there. there is this standoff now with

might be a final group. we saw them coming in from both sides. what you are looking at now is what was considered the front side of the encampment. they came in from the back side as well. they have come in from the sides you have royce hall on one side and the library on the other. they have got these protesters surrounded. so clearly they are beginning to peel this is under control now it's just a question of time. rounding them up, getting them on the buses taking them away. >> lawrence: so, jonathan, quick question, as you see that the cops are making what would be -- appear to be this final push. they have them surrounded. you see three or four lines of cops as they try to make their way in. has there been one final call over the loud speaker or any way to tell the protesters to disperse, to turn themselves in before they have to go in? >> jonathan: we are hearing them addressed once again now. so i'm assuming this is a, once again, the formal order to disperse, informing them that

this and remains unlawful assembly, and that they are guilty under california penal code i think it's 416 of a misdemeanor crime if they refuse that order to disperse. as they are all clearly going to do. they are going to refuse. they are refusing it right now. they will be arrested. >> brian: it's amazing the list of needs for the students prior to them being taken apart here. they need air soft goggles, knee and elbow pads, utility gloves, bright flashes flashlights with strobe. we have seen that they wanted rope. they wanted zip ties obviously to secure the particle board to the bike racks. skater helmets, shields, wood to construct barrier, non-ster rode inhalers. they also want vegetable oriented meals. >> carley: vegetarian meals. >> brian: fantastic. we got to make sure all their needs are met. by the way, one of the worst things to happen is brown and northwestern. they both acquiesced to the

students. they both agreed we are going to revisit investment in divestment from israel. so they are saying this works. whwe want what brown got and northern got. they ruined it for anybody negotiating. but, it doesn't look like anyone is negotiating with ucla right now. >> steve: speaking of ucla. let's bring in ucla professor mere hoffman joins us now. as you look at what is happening on your campus. this has got to be shocking we have done this show for a long time. i have never seen anything quite like that in america you might be shocked but i'm not. these people attacked me a few days ago. >> steve: tell us the story i was walking, actually giving you by guys an interview. they didn't want me to cross the quad where i was trying to get a shot. they tackled me, assaulted me and stole my air pot. when i went to the police they

basically told me you want us to go rescue our air pod we could barely rescue one of our security guards that got kidnapped into this we had to negotiate to get them out. >> brian: anyone who says this is peaceful is flat out lying? >> this was never peaceful. jews were not allowed to go into the campus. jews were not allowed to go into the library. kids were not allowed to go into campus. it was never peaceful. they are vandalizing the entire quad. >> carley: there is a sign that some of the people in the quad are holding and it says that staff and faculty of ucla support these protesters who are those staff and faculty that are inside the encampment right now that are standing with these protesters? >> we don't know who the staffs are we don't know who the faculty are we don't know into the students are and outside agitators are this is total breakdown of law and order. who knows who is in there.

>> lawrence: professor, who do you hold responsible for this? this has been going on for days now. law enforcement the community begged law enforcement to come in. you had yesterday some of the jewish community that came and they had a standoff between them and the protesters there. the governor has been mia. the mayor has been mia. the police commissioner has been mia because the mayor hasn't called them in until tonight. so, who do you hold responsible for this chaos that now law enforcement have to deal with? >> well, i will tell you who is not responsible? law enforcement. i went to the ucpd station on friday and on monday. and i begged them to go up there. and they told me very clearly we want to go up there more than you want us to go up there, but we have a directive from michael beck, the vice chancellor and the chancellor that we're not allowed to go up there. this -- the writing was on the

wall here. people were getting attacked. the only reason by the way that they decided to call this camp illegal on tuesday was not because of this riot that happened tuesday night which, by the way, in my opinion is despicable and i completely denounce it. nobody should be attacked. law and order applies to every person on all sides. but the reason that they decided to break down this encampment is because they were called to congress, which we have been working hard to do. they didn't want that camp to be around when they had to answer to the united states government. >> steve: sure. and, professor, and we are speaking to near hotman, a ucla professor they would not denounce anti-semitism on campus. and the problem is, it is rampant. i have gotten notes from my friends. i was just talking to one of my jewish doctor friends, he said my kids fear for their safety at

universities in overwhelmingly liberal democratic cities where politics allow anti-semitism to flourish. we have been talking about the jewish students but we haven't been talking much about the jewish professors. >> well, i can tell you, you know, as someone who is jewish, and as terrible as anti-semitism is, this is a bigger issue, okay? this is an issue of law and order. when you have no law and order, when you have chaos, vigilantes, then the people that want law and order lose, and the terrorists win. and this applies to all walks of life. you know, it starts on the campus. but, now that every policeman is inside the campus, who is enforcing the rest of the city? we need to have law and order. and that's what was missing here all along. this isn't about a war in the middle east. it's about our entire system of life. >> carley: professor, do you

think that any of the faculty are going to get fired for being in this encampment over or any of the students expelled? what do you think is going to happen to these people if they are in fact affiliated with ucla? >> not a chance. the leadership are so afraid. i mean, darnell hunt, who i have a lot of respect for. and he is slated potentially to be the next chancellor, he went down to this group yesterday, okay. and we have video of it, to try to basically negotiate an end to the standoff. they basically called him an f'ing coward, bald ass. they were using words that are used to describe kittens and even calling him the "n" word. okay? this is how they treat the top of the pyramid in leadership. how do you think they are going to treat me or you or the police? >> brian: my last question, professor, did you feel the anti-semitism before

october 7th? >> no, i didn't. >> lawrence: you know, professor, we are talking about october 7th. and then on october the 12th, on your campus, there was a chorus that was going on and they offered extra credit for emergency teaching on the crisis in palestine. so you had graduate professors giving students extra credit to attend a protest. is that typical on your campus? >> you know, i will tell you something. even though i didn't feel anti-semitism until october 7th, in the medical school, a year prior, in october of 2022, they already submitted a letter signed by four chairs to the dean stating that there is anti-semitism in the core curriculum of the medical school. so, apparently, at ucla, it's okay to be teaching anti-semitism and it's okay to be teaching, you know, things

that are against the way of the american way of life. you know, they are teaching that capitalism is evil, that, you know, whites are oppressors. and things that just, in my opinion, are not. >> steve: sure. >> really how america works. >> lawrence: are you going to stay at the university, professor, after all of this? >> absolutely. this is my home. i had a 50-year relationship with ucla. i'm not leaving. you know, we have got to take it back. >> carley: that's a great attitude. >> brian: thank you so much. makes you wonder where is the president? where is the mayor? where is the governor? the president made one comment, passing comment in the woods, "i condemn anti-semitic protests that's why i set up a program. i also condemn that those that don't understand what going on with the palestinians." really? has anyone woke up the

president? i know it's a bit of a chore and said you should take a look what is happening now. or the governor? >> lawrence: to that point, the governor is the contingency plan if joe biden cannot make it toward the nomination. where is he? i mean, you have mass chaos. i don't think we have ever seen anything like this on a college campus. >> brian: heard that from mayor adams yesterday. this is my country, how dare you take my flag down. by the way my uncle died for this country. and our youth are being corrupted by outside forces. we should identify this right away if this is your kid. grab them out of here. that's -- whatever you think of mayor adams, that's somebody without a script. >> lawrence: brian, he said it's despicable the schools would allow another country's flag to fly in my country. blame me for proud to be an american. we are not surrendering our life to anyone that's the mayor of new york city. >> carley: we did just get a statement from a president, not ours, the israeli president, isaac herzog he said in part in the fails of violence, harassment, and intimidation as

mass crowds smash windows and barricade doors as they assault the truth and manipulate history together we stand strong. wouldn't that message be nice coming from president biden who hasn't spoken out about this. >> brian: the president spoke in tampa not a word. he spoke to speaker johnson, not a word. he spoke at the white house correspondents dinner not a word. with the host jewish stern not a word about anti-semitism. this is called not a bad decision, a no decision shows you can't do the job. he is not up to this. >> steve: peter doocy asked about that yesterday in the briefing room and was told that the president would be speaking on it next week. unfortunately, you know, college campuses are aflame right now. let's go to gregg jarrett because, obviously, as you look at screen left, those are people who are about to be arrested. and then screen right, you can see people who have streamed -- still remaining inside the encampment. hey, gregg, it's just a matter of time until these people are taken downtown. they are processed. next thing you know, they are

going to be back on campus. >> gregg: police should be commended for doing a job well done they are perfectly capable courageous people people being arrested will be out on the streets within a couple of hours before the paperwork is even finished. and they will never be prosecuted myriad of crimes we have been witnessing. destruction of property, steps, violating police orders to vacate and disperse. we have seen acts of assault and battery against the police officers, throwing projectiles at them. and of course professor hoftman noted, he was physically attacked. none of the people being arrested will be prosecuted because the citizens of los angeles elected george gascon as the district attorney. he's a far left progressive who

made it abundantly clear the moment he took office that his solution to crime is to open the jailhouse doors. and that's what he did. he refused to prosecute a great many crimes as a result in los angeles, property crimes and violent crimes have absolutely skyrocketed. you know, this is a public university. i grew up in los angeles. i know ucla quite well. and it is governed by the regions the university supported with taxpayer money. and that money should go away with the regions had a backbone. they would say clean up your mess, we are firing the administrators, we are firing the sympathetic, emboldening faculty that encouraged students to do this and, in fact, some of them participated in it. and the regents have an affirmative duty to the citizens of california to fix this mess.

>> lawrence: so, gregg -- >> greg: if people in los angeles are looking at this destruction assaults taking place and wondering who is to blame, they are to blame. they are the ones who put into office a prosecutor who acts as a defender who is known among criminals as their bff. >> lawrence: so, gregg, i got to ask you, sammy pled guilty to provide services to the palestinian islamic jihad back in 26, wife was at the protest here in new york city, according to the counter-terrorism. >> carley: columbia. >> lawrence: columbia university his why wife was there as one of the leaders and agitators of the movement. this is not rocket science here. her husband was a terrorist providing information. but the fbi says, christopher wray said they are not

monitoring these so-called protests. what are the legal ramifications about that? >> gregg: well, you raise an interesting question. you know, this advocate -- advocacy for hamas. >> steve: gregg, pardon the interruption. let's go live to william la jeunesse. he has breaking news. is he just behind the police line. william? >> william: hey, steve, i don't know if you can see me or not, you see this line of police right in front of me right here, it looks like they are going to go in. this is a line of cops that are probably about 50 yards. >> brian: take a shot of william. >> william: between royce hall and the by larry here. behind them can you see the encampment protesters. they have their face shields up. they have plastic shields like this. they also -- this isn't your typical psych 101 student. >> this is a gas canister for your airway here. if they use the pepper spray, they use gas the kids are protected. anyways, i was going to say we were told by the sergeant to

back off. it appears to be -- they all got their zip ties on their waist. you can see that they got pepper balls in their weapons here and it appears to me that they are going to go move in on these protesters they are probably going to use before they lose the amount of money backing them up the. brought them here. as they saw the materials. go ahead. >> brian: i remember the faculty, that big blue sign up on the stairs. they were so proud to be with the students. are they still there? >> william: is who still there? >> brian: the faculty? >> william: oh, yeah. on the inside. >> brian: no, talking about the ones outside holding a blue sign saying we stand with the students. because it looks like they have left. >> lawrence: cops are getting pummeled right now. >> william: i can't tell. the police have pretty much cordoned off this quad if you

will or this corridor this plaza. i'm limited to only what can i see here. they have taken down almost all the plywood. they moved the fence, go ahead. >> steve: william, what you are seeing is, what we have been watching for the last 97 minutes, has been essentially they had an opening. they took down as much of the plywood and the pallets that they could. they hadn't actually gone inside the encampment. what you are saying is they are about to go into the camp that those people were told to get out of yesterday, right? >> william: that's right. this was declared unlawful two days ago. it's probably been an hour since they made entry into a small area into the encampment. we saw probably two or three dozen individuals arrested and pulled out of there then about 30 minutes ago, chp took down all of the fencing and all of the plywood so now they have

lined up, you know, as it is building to building, this is where the encampment was. and i don't know if you can see just beyond this line of police, but that's where the protesters are they have lined up as well. probably two or three deep. and we have police here, two or three deep right here. there is going to be a confrontation. stand off. but it looks to me like they are going to be moving in very, very shortly. they are moving all the fencing and all the plywood. >> brian: look at that, pushing. >> lawrence: real quickly, william, can you describe the outfits that these protesters have on? because i'm looking at the cops. and i'm looking at them with their helmets. the protesters have their helmets. i'm looking at the masks that the cops have. the protesters have their masks as well. i'm looking at the medic sign where you see the red cross on the helmet of a cop. the protesters on their white hat has the cross on theirs so they are medic. what are we talking about on the ground there with these protesters being outfitted apparently prepared for battle?

>> william: yeah, they are definitely ready and you are going to see this momentarily. these guys going. in but, yeah, they are outfit you had with their helmets. they got their lights. they got their shields. they have their masks. as i showed you a minute ago. they had some canisters that they brought in tear gas. here is some -- one of the pieces of plywood coming down right here. the cops want to get all the stuff out of the way before they make their move, right? because you don't know what kind of resistance they are going to get. i saw probably three quarters of the protesters i saw over the last few days have been women. so, they are going to be overpowered. there is no doubt about it. >> brian: look at that william william how much resistance. >> brian: look at the patio on the billing. that's where the fighters are pushing back on the cops. got to be absolutely insane or on something if you think you are going to prevail there i hope there is a special category for people that allow themselves to be arrested as opposed to people who fight back and try to engage the cops.

>> carley: resisting arrest. yeah. >> steve: william, i know you have a limited view because you are behind the police -- you are right behind the police line. and as we look, i think it's royce hall, two things. one, is there like a pio, a public information officer with the police who might be able to come on with you in the next couple of minutes just to tell us -- give us a progress report, maybe have a producer work on that. but the other thing is, what is the liquid they seem to be throwing at the police? obviously they have run out of fire extinguishers. now there is something in buckets. >> lawrence: bottles. >> william: you know, i don't know. i know i am looking at plenty of water bottles thrown this way. a lot of nails. >> steve: nails? >> william: plenty of plywood. >> back up. william william okay, they are moving us back a little bit. but not too much. we're actually -- where the original fence line was, if you

remember the situation, i see, they are just -- they want easy access, right? you don't want -- you don't know what kind of resistance back up and trip over this plywood and that kind of thing. they are clearing that out right now. again, more canisters are taken out. it's just a matter of time now before they move in and start making more arrests. >> carley: as brian was saying, co-ing commissioner pat ryder that these law enforcement officers have time on their side. maybe they are. >> steve: those are the protesters. >> brian: running away? >> lawrence: they are running away. >> steve: here comes the cops, probably. >> lawrence: the cops are moving in. >> brian: they said if you don't want to be arrested, communicating with each. each other. don't go in the front, go in the back. and now they -- now they are saying okay, let me get out of here mile. hope it gets sealed off. >> lawrence: we are hearing that noise. it sounds like a helicopter is that a drone? is it a police helicopter or is it a news helicopter? >> william: there has definitely

been a police helicopter up the entire time we have been here. they have also glout two drones that we have seen periodically to give them obviously eyes in the sky. they want to see what kind of threats they have in these alleyways, access points in the building. they have sealed off. that was the worry when we showed up here seller hours ago. there were thousands of students, right, on the perimeter, and they were in a sense reinforcement same pa sanitizers to the encampment. the cops were worried if they moved in. they were going to be pinched in the middle. they were able -- the cops were able to come over and seal those off. steve william, we are actually looking at the feed of a helicopter. i don't know who is -- what the source of this is right now, but it looks like in the last 90 seconds, all those protesters have been running away and now we're seeing right there, screen -- in front of royce hall, the reason they were running is here comes the cavalry. >> just to piggyback, the cops are now inside of the

encampment. they were on the outside. now they have made theirself inside of the encampment. >> steve: william, let's speak to that that was the access point where the people in the encampment would go in and out, got to use the bathroom, go in there. you got get something to eat, did you go in there. now the cops are in there. well, it does make sense, right? they have lined up -- opposite of this line. if you don't want to be arrested, you better run. if you want to be arrested, they are there by choice, right? these students, have had choices all week long to get out. if they are here, they want to be here. >> brian: still getting paid. william, is it possible to get out, not only to get out -- away from the cops. get out the back and get away scot-free? >> william: brian, so there are access points and there is one that i know has been controlled by the sympathizers, if you will, or the encampment people

themselves that they pushed us away. we thought we could get in that way we didn't. near royce hall between another building there is a point where they could in a senses escape if you will. and avoid arrest. now, whether the cops have plugged that hole, i'm not sure, from where i am right now. but that was an area that if you wanted to get out, you could get out. >> brian: probably intentional. william william yeah, but the doors coming from the library and royce hall, those have been barricaded from this side to keep the cops and anyone else out. so, you know, so right now as far as i know, there is only one way out. >> carley: look at what they did. this looks like a beautiful college building, royce hall. and they have spray painted it with bright green spry paint as vandalism free palestine, free gaza in black spray paint. so, that's not free speech. that's straight up vandalism.

>> carley: not such a nice word in front of joe biden's name. i have a question for you. if you could respond to what appears to be escalation. now that the police are in the encampment, how long is it going to take, do you think, to clear them all out, all these protesters out? >> it will take as long as necessary. they will, again, methodically move through this crowd. what they have done is circled around them now. a question asked a moment ago is there always an exit? there is always an exit. you don't want the crowd to feel like they don't have the ability to. you let them still funnel out and go. right? it's not about making the arrests. can you make that later. it's about getting control of that environment. what they have done now is they have circled around. they have take that high point where the protesters you saw them push through. if you looked at the violence coming back. they were throwing sheets of plywood at the cops. that's could be some real serious damage if not kill you. again, these cops are moving in very slow, methodically, taking

control and these young people that are standing there with their masks, their helmets and standing like tough guys in front of the cops they will all be crying after they are put in handcuffs and dragged into a cell. >> lawrence: they gave them every opportunity to give themself up. lawrence. >> steve: yeah. >> lawrence: now they are inside of the encampment. see all the tents different angling than we started with. they took all of the wall that they created down. at this point, this is detaining these guys, right? these guys and gals. you can't no longer leave at this point. now you are going to be detained, right? >> absolutely. and that's what they're doing. they said okay, enough is enough, giving enough options. those who chose to stay are going to stay. they are going to get arrested. now they are taking up all points around and they will start to take them one at a time, nice and slow, and arrest them. push back, that's when we push back. >> steve: what we are seeing right now, these people, men and women know they are about to be arrested because they have linked arms.

but you are absolutely right, commissioner. and brian mentioned this a little while ago, in addition to the vegan and gluten free food they were asking for, they got gas masks, they have got goggles, they have got gloves and knee pads and skater helmets. they have got shields. and according to one of our producers, the protesters have been chanting to the cops -- we're wondering what they're saying to the cops? these are some of the things that have been said. "you don't scare us." "we're not leaving" they are telling the students to hold the line. and another thing is p&a parentally some of the protesters have been calling the cops kkk. if you are one of those cops and a kid is spitting in your face calling you kkk, what goes through your head? >> well, there is a difference on how you feel and how you act, right? i know what the emotion is inside every one of those cops because i have been on the frontline. i will tell you the professionalism takes over. these kids they know there is no

penalty. you heard bruce go all the way to albany screaming and yelling about bail reform. >> brian: they don't care. >> if there is no penalty, hold the line see where we go. >> lawrence: you are looking at another view of the camera. they are going through those tents. tell me what the cops are doing right now as they try to maintain control? it looks like they are tearing the tents down as well. >> tents act as cover and weapons. any peaceful protest we always allow signs but we don't allow you to put a stick on a sign because the stick becomes the weapon. so, in this type of situation, those tents broken up because metal pipes if they start swinging at the cops, what you saw them doing is just moments ago when they were taking over the top level of the school. >> brian: commissioner, just let me ask and we have to go to one our reporters. tactically what is taking place they have sealed off the building what would you be telling next. >> control, maintain discipline.

move in and stay exactly how we trained. we're not going to go outside the box unless we have to. >> brian: inch forward, start zip tying them because if they are there they are going to get arrested, right? >> 100 percent. plenty of zip ties new bracelets at christmas. take them out. >> lawrence: thanks, commissioner. >> steve: let's go back to jonathan hunt who is in los angeles right now. finally, the cops about two hours ago started to move in and they started to arrest people. i would imagine on social media some of the people who have been arrested have already started posting about, you know, the cops came in. what happened to my first amendment rights. but they do not apply because the administration declared this encampment illegal. and so that gave the police the opportunity to be invited in, which they were, and now we're seeing exactly what the administration is asking the cops to do.

>> jonathan: this seems to be a decision making of ucla. once the law enforcement agencies were on the scene and once they declared that there was a dispersal order. once you refuse a dispersal order from the police, it is up to the police when they then act on it. as you watch them there just push back the lines of protesters. who are pushing against them. but this really is, it's quickly becoming a mop-up operation here. there is still obviously some resistance, but it's not going to last long, frankly, they will have these wrapped up in pretty short order. we have seen. it took a long time for it to happen. but once it started happening, this has been a very efficient operation led by officers with the california highway patrol. and they have this wrapped up, i would suggest within an hour or so. they have all of those protesters out of there. >> lawrence: john the, if youjou could stand by getting reaction from the former president.

this is a radical left revolution taking place in our country. where is crooked joe biden. where is governor newsom. new scum. >> danger from the country is from the left, not from the right. >> carley: those are all valid questions. where is the leadership, john joont. that's something we have been talking about yesterday you could call it a rally between pro-israeli and pro-palestinian protesters. i think there are still really major questions, jonathan, as to why the encampment was allowed to stay there after that riot took place. after 25 students got injured, and the directive never came down to police officers. to clear the encampment. and now we are seeing the results. where is the leadership here? >> yeah, i think there is a question, obviously. a lot of questions to be asked about leadership of ucla. there is also questions, frankly, to be asked about the actions of law enforcement, why they didn't act quicker. that is a public university

after all, the law enforcement agencies given what we were witnessing there, what is a public space? could have moved in when they wanted to, and in effect, if that had been happening in a street just a couple of hundred yards to the west or east in the residential neighborhood, in ucla sits, law enforcement would have been there very quickly. so there is a lot of questions to be asked about a lot of the decisions that have been made. but the culmination of all of that slow decision-making and many people would say incorrect decision making is we have seen these scenes this morning where ultimately law enforcement officers have to go in with overwhelming force to remove that encampment and to remove the hundreds of protesters as it turns out who were behind that wall that they had built in the center of ucla there. but now we are getting to the

point where the last few stragglers will be dragged out of there. they will be zip tied. put on buses. they will be taken downtown, and they will be charged. so, this is coming to an end, but, yeah, there is going to be lot of talk now about the decisions that went into this from ucla and law enforcement. >> lawrence: about how many students or protesters -- we don't know if there are students still, left on campus that are holding the line still? just an average? >> haven't seen an aerial picture. 100 from what we have been able to tell. >> lawrence: it's still a lot. >> jonathan: john the it's still a lot. the police officers saying earlier seem a lot more relaxed than they were an half hour or more. they are still pulling them out of there it's a scene they can wrap up relatively quickly. >> brian: stay with us we want to bring in democratic congressman ucla alumni josh

gottheimer. you notice what has been happening on college campuses over the last six or seven weeks. your thoughts about this takedown at ucla? >> i think, number one priority for everyone should to be make sure that law enforcement and the students are safe. and that's the key to me, to make sure everyone is safe on campus. and, also, to make sure our campuses can for all the students who are not participating in this to make sure it's safe not just for them but also they can go to class. they can graduate. they can go to library. >> brian: from what you are seeing now though. from what you are seeing now. are you outraged that any type of major university would allow this to get to that point? >> well, i mean, i was at columbia a week ago. i have been watching what has been going on at all these universities. of course we should all be outraged about what's going on and deeply concerned. i mean, i think it's why we fought so hard and we are proud of yesterday passing key bipartisan legislation clearly

defining anti-semitism. ensuring that you can't have anyone on campus feel like they are not welcome there. >> steve: sure. >> and being harassed and intimidated. i think that's a critical part of this. at the end of the day, there is a way to have civil discourse on campus and debate issues. this is clearly not the way to do it. >> steve: sure. i'm glad you mentioned that you are the co-sponsor of the anti-semitic bill -- anti-semitism bill which passed in the house yesterday. it's got an uncertain future in the senate as it progresses. as you look at -- we know that, you know, so who -- i know hose side you are you know hose side we are on when it comes to the protesters and anti-semitism that is sweeping the nation. but, you know, there's a large group of house democrats who don't see the protest as anti-semitic and some of your younger, more progressive democratic colleagues actually back the protests. when they attack the cops, it's

hard to do that. >> obviously no one should attack law enforcement. and we can't idly by and what we see in these images are deeply disturbing. as it was deeply disturbing and i have seen videos. i'm sure you have, people calling for the death of jews and screaming supporting hamas, we're all hamas. all of that is something that you -- i just can't believe is happening on our college campuses. people yesterday -- by the way, lots of people, democrats and republicans who i was shocked voted against the anti-semitism bill yesterday. the bottom line is. >> steve: why did they do that? scott, why did they do that? >> brian: like nadler? >> steve: why did they vote against it. >> you know, there were questions about commas and definitions and i don't think that there was any question about that legislation of what it meant, which was that we should, of course, be able to criticize. should of course protect free speech in this country. there is a huge difference

between harassing and intimidating and discrimination which shouldn't be allowed on our college campuses against anyone. and i think and hate shouldn't be allowed on our college campuses. there is a difference again between civil discourse and debate which we should encourage on college campuses even we don't agree and what you are seeing now going on. >> lawrence: congressman, i have to ask. you just accomplished bipartisan legislation. steve good job. >> lawrence: we're watching not just here and ucla, but scenes like this happening on college campuses all across the country. you got our jewish brothers and sisters that feel like they are under attack. you got the fbi saying that 60% of the hate crimes are against that community. don't you think it's time that we hear from president biden, an address to the country? you have the fbi -- i'm sorry the nypd counter-terrorism saying that our students are being radicalized by outside factors. why haven't we heard from our commander-in-chief on this matter? >> well, i believe the president is speaking this coming week.

is he going to the holocaust museum. by the way, where i was last night, we led a group, a tour with democrats and republicans, which i think punctuated the importance of the legislation yesterday. so, i think the white house has been pretty clear and the president has been pretty clear about his outrage here. >> brian: really? >> lawrence: i'm sorry, i don't mean to interrupted you, congressman. >> brian: may 7th? >> lawrence: not just something on a sheet of paper and through his aides, but addressing the country right now? we can't wait until. >> steve: it would be nice. >> lawrence: that event. we have outrage happenings right now. >> listen, is he obviously, i believe, going to give a very important speech this coming week. and i expect that given what's going on you will hear from him. >> steve: okay. >> even sooner, i think we need to hear from every leader in our country right now about standing up to hated and discrimination to make it very clear that this is not acceptable and there's a way -- there -- again, there is a way to disagree. >> brian: so should you say that

to the squad? should you had say that to the squad privately that you are on the wrong side of this and it's not -- it's against jews and against americans? >> well, i have not been private. i have been pretty public about my outrage overall. >> steve: right. >> and my deep concern about what's going on. not just on college campuses but overall the way people are talking about and frankly hate toward anyone. >> steve: sure. and i think, again, that should be our message. discrimination on college campuses is unacceptable. hate of this kind and targeted hate is unacceptable. and that, again, there is a way to disagree on college campuses and debate issues. this is not how you handle things. you don't scream and harass and punch other kids. >> steve: right. >> and scream for zionists to die. that is not the way we should handle it in this >> steve: we did hear from former president trump, he