law school alum i had a dream of them going here and living the same experience that i did. 20 seconds to you, are you going to let your kids go into this kind of a caldron when they're college-aged? >> well, we are actually looking at college campuses now for my oldest who is done early, and we absolutely will not allow our children to go to a campus, a dei campus that sympathizes with terrorism. we are not going to do it. i think most americans would agree. >> todd: i got a great education there, i'm not going to discount it. based on the scenes i am seeing right now i would be hard-pressed to say any of my kids are going to go there. and that's sad. congresswoman nancy mace, thank you for being with us. our conch of the scene at ucla. awaiting movement by the cops at any moment continues right now. "fox & friends" take it from here. >> steve: thank you very much, todd. it's 6:00 here in new york city. it is 3:00 a.m. in los angeles. and you are looking live at

chaos on the campus of ucla. right now, at this minute, police are making rouses while battling with pro-palestinian protesters. >> brian: activists with shields and umbrellas, yeah, umbrellas, and pieces of plywood blocking entryways to keep police officers out. >> police in riot gear positioned around the encampment red to corral the crowd. >> lawrence: let's bring in william la jeunesse. what are you seeing on the ground. police are rushing in right now. what else the scene like. >> it's a very volatile situation. we are in the main corridor, the mall if you will. this is where the encampment is here. you can see chp is lined up here. they will be the first line going in if indeed the order is given. and then you have. [no audio] back very important in the small -- there is another line of lapd and they are moving right now. so, when we arrived here several

hours ago, there was about 1,000 people outside. they dispersed a little bit. now, there was just on the bullhorn some of the sympathizers to the encampment, if you will, say we need people over here so the police are definitely moving. probably trying to find a soft spot in terms of trying to access point into the encampment itself. now, it this was declared an unlawful assembly on tuesday, right? a dispeferl order was given 9 hours ago. multiple times on the bullhorn police have told people to disperse so the people inside who are there want to be there we havage tears in there. [hold the line] >> hold the line. that's the word going out. there are a number of access points along the mall if you will. that's where we believe police have redeployed. having been around almost a 360 of this entire area. there are a number of different

places where students have staged, right? and they're armed as well, helmets, gas masks, clubs, 2 by 4s. and so how they are going to react when please go in that's a big question to me. there is probably about 150, maybe 200 police here total from the different agencies at least arrived haven't had access you can't go in and out as a reporter. those ramparts and barricades reinforced. having declared unlawful assembly did nothing over the past 36 to 48 hours to stop them from reinforcing and resupplying themselves. we saw more and more. three quarter inch plywood coming in yesterday bringing in

hammers, power tools. zip ties to try to bring these fences together. so if you try to make a frontal assault here, it could be long, it could be ugly, it could be very, very difficult to do, because they have reinforced. they have obviously umbrellas. they have tents to stop from tear gas. they are gassed up. we have seen video from the inside of here how they are prepared. if, indeed, police do move in and how they are going to do that, i'm not sure. you have a little bit of movement here. i was going to say these guys did not have their face shields down which normally they would if they are going to make the movement. there definitely appears to be something here. they are making a formation now that did not exist before. okay. you can see more lapd coming in from the side here. it looks like -- okay. they are in heavy gear. okay. i think what we have got happening here. they are going to make their move right now. definitely appears that -- those officers are in heavy riot gear. i'm surprised they didn't bring in like a bearcat to make a

movement here because, like i said, i don't know how they are going to go in unless they have some flash bangs and a ramrod. let's take -- stay with our camera right here. unless you have got ariel. aeri, looks like they found a soft point to go in and we are watching that right now. the university had declared this unlawful. and, yet, they did nothing to stop it. also, we had some inconsistencies between the chancellor who said -- who called this unlawful, yet, some support from the president of the uc system. michael drake, who then called for an investigation because there wasn't police early enough. >> brian: william, quick question. are the police outnumbered? >> definitely so. definitely so. by the students. now, how many people are still on the inside, i'm not sure. but we did see them being

resupplied even later today with food, with water, again with plywood, gas masks. that kind of thing. >> steve: william, when you say on the inside, you are talking about the encampment, which a moment ago you said that ucla administrators said on tuesday declared it was illegal. and then yesterday, of course, we saw the melee when the local, you know, we had a guest on who said it was jewish people from los angeles who just took it upon themselves to go and certainly, you know, get in the face of these protesters. so, as we look at this right here, explain, if you would,. >> lawrence: trying to blind the cops right here. you see them shining these lights on them. >> steve: they got the flashers. you said there are people inside. you said there are students. so, obviously, the students, are they just on the outside watching what happens to the people on the inside? >> yeah. so sorry about that, you guys. so you have got the encampment

itself and then around the plywood that you are seeing, you see a double fence. then, there is the area where the police are right now. they are staging where we are. and then about 100 yards away there is another fence that's keeping the students, the students, the sympathizers if you will, on the perimeter. so you have got these now three lines, skirmish lines of police set up here in front of the encampment. and then, behind them, behind me, watching their back side if you will, is another line of police to try to stop those students, if you will, from coming over another fence and getting involved. right? because you got to protect their back side. but you are right. steve, in terms of the l.a. community, the jewish community here very upset with the attacks on jewish students on campus as well as the anti-semitism that was displayed. >> brian: of course. women women articulated by these

individuals. >> lawrence: they said they didn't want a response like texas. with the officers coming in and arresting them. they felt it looked too like the military. how is that working out? and i have been talking to some of my cops that i know that is in l.a. that have been dealing with the defund the police movement. they are not happy at all with this. >> well, you are right. in terms of the decision-making here has been all over the place, right? so, at the beginning any university has got to make that decision. do you allow the tents go in or not? obviously, florida, texas, said no we are not allowing them to get a foot hold. they have put down roots. they allowed that to happen. so the fact that the situation we're in today, the university only has itself to blame. then there was a decision as you do, do you just use campus security and private security, unarmed in t-shirts to try to control the situation? that was a decision made here at

ucla russia than we don't want the cops to come in. now what are they going to do? they have got a situation where the university has a liability. when we had the counter protesters come in here two nights ago or whatever it was and, you know, there was 15 injuries or more, they knew they had a situation on their hand. now what are we going to do, right? we have gone down this path, we have had this thing for week. we want to respect free speech rights. they were supported by the faculty. they were supported by the local politicians. supported by the governor and so forth. now what have they got? in some ways, the university is between a rock and hard spot, they had to do something and the consequences we are seeing right now. >> kayleigh: we see one of the protesters he has his hands up at some point. he has a gas mask on and also moving a garbage can. it looks like is he moving somewhat erratically. police officers respond and then he sort of backed off. now you see the police. this is the moment where they finally took down those police fences and now it looks like they are going to be moving in.

so, jonathan, -- rather, william, once they do move in, what do you expect to take place? this has been ruled an unlawful encampment. so, should we expect to see students in handcuffs. >> brian: they are marching out now. they are making it clear. >> kayleigh: those students have their hands up. >> steve: yeah, they are on the outside. >> william: looks like they are trying to form a fence over there on the corner. i'm not sure you got a different viewpoint than i do. >> brian: taking the bike racks and pushing them aside and the cops are slowly moving forward. the students or whoever they are are putting their hands up letting them know they are not going to resist. can you seat troublemakers, the guy dressed in the all white, other people there, the orangers, probably the instigators, they are the ones moving around, moving through. they are almost like coaching them behind the lines. >> william: well, it is true they have -- nothing to stop

coming and exit. they made no effort to cut them off. cut off the power. cut off their internet. cut them off from food and water. they didn't do that right? again, they have been bringing in three quarter inch plywood. okay. it looks like the police are moving forward from the vantage point i have got right here. do you want to move forward? >> lawrence: still trying to blind the cops. they got this perimeter. and they have this barrier that they are trying to get through. and then they have to drag the protesters behind them and still keep a line to protect themselves. so this is a dangerous situation that they're getting ready to go into. they are being blinded by these protesters with these lights. >> steve: okay. so they're moving up. let's bring in jonathan hunt who has got access to one of the screens. he has been following all the chaos at ucla. his wife was tear gassed a couple days ago.

cops briefly entered the encampment. you got to get out you will be suspended or expelled. then they retreated and now it looks like it's going to be go-time. >> jonathan: yeah, it looks like what they have been doing over the last hour or so is probing various points of that encampment, which is about 100 yards long. you're looking now at what has generally been considered the front of the encampment where they have put up that big barrier of plywood boards, metal fences, and that seemed to be the last point that police were trying to get into. but now they have made a move in this sort of right-hand corner of that. you can see them sort of -- towards the top of your screen there. now, some of those protesters seem to be putting their hands up and walking out. they will be taken to the at least i would say eight or so buss that have lined unjust off

campus there. ready to take away those hundreds who will ultimately have to be arrested here. so some of them are giving up. some, though, are clearly not willing to do so quite so easily. they are among the ones shining those strobe lights into the eyes of the police officers as they stand ready to move in there. as william was saying, we don't know for sure what kind of weaponry some of those protesters have. we know that there are baseball bats in there. we know that they are armed with pepper spray and mace. one of them, as you mentioned, steve, thank you for remembering, sprayed my wife the other day. a reporter with our local affiliates kttv. we know they have those things. we don't know how many of them are prepared to use them when faced with the kind of force that that these members of the california highway patrol they are probing the sides again now.

>> brian: can we just think about this? what is the goal here? is the goal to make massive arrests or is the goal to take apart this encampment and do you get arrested only if you resist? if you are just there and you refuse to leave, are you going to be put on those prison buss? so, they just want to take apart this encampment and deal with whoever wants to push back? >> they want to take apart the encampment and they will -- they have declared this, remember, an unlawful assembly, they have issued a dispersal order so anybody noted a hearing to that dispersal order has been subject to being detained for the last nine hours or so since the dispersal order was issued. every one of those people that are there going to be put on those buses. you see them throwing items now towards the officers who are not going to be bothered by those kind of items being thrown at

them, as they move in now very distinct buy to begin trying to dismantle that, as william was rightly saying, they have had a week now to build up this barrier, and they have done so very effectively. >> steve: jonathan, to that point, the cops are starting to take it apart. right now. with the bike racks, they are taking off the zip ties and anything that are keeping the bike racks together. but the main fofertion are those hundreds of pieces of plywood. how the hell did those get there did home depot make truck load stops right nut middle of the quad? >> they have been bringing them in over the week or so. >> brian: why would they let them do that? >> jonathan: there was no law enforcement to stop them. and the ucla administration didn't try to stop anybody doing that. and they allowed this encampment to be set up. did not declare it unlawful. until about 24 hours ago. >> jonathan, after a riot broke

out on the ucla campus they allowed the encampment to stay. and then they announced that police were going to come in. so, you know, people came out of the woodwork. they knew that this was going to happen. they had the 1,000 people -- william was reporting to support the people inside the encampment. they brought in the plywood. they brought in the nail guns. they brought in the gas masks, all in preparation, making this law enforcement work even more difficult to take down this encampment. >> jonathan: yeah, this has been set up since last thursday. so, a week now. and a week in which they could fortify everything. they could decide how they needed to make it as difficult as possible for law enforcement. ucla did not ask law enforcement to come onto the scene until. >> they are now trying to push and get in. >> they are pushing pretty effectively now. that barrier -- that barrier won't last that long as they

move in here. >> lawrence: get eyes in. they can't go in this they know what they are working with. so they are trying to dismantle all of these bike racks connected to this plywood. >> it's a structure. william la jeunesse is on the scene. william, things have gotten crazier in the last five minutes. >> they definitely are. it looks like -- i see an arrest right in front of me. but here the police are now trying to remove the plywood, can i tell you some of those barriers are a pallet and then they have three quarter inch plywood attached to both sides but, yeah. definitely police are now trying to make their entry at this point here. the crowd, can you see over on the opposite side. they are trying to get in as well. they have got a police line trying to hold them back william. >> they are pulling out some of the pallets. >> i'm wondering, is there a risk for the cops being surrounded? i worry about their back end. i'm sure they drill this all the time. but, if they're out nourished and got the equipment. could they be surrounded right

now? >> william: well, technically, we are surrounded. right? so we are surrounded by buildings, and the buildings have a alley ways and each one of those alley ways is clogged with sim pa hide it e.ers, other students so technically. we he are. on the back side of where i am right now, there is another police line to make sure, if you will, that that crowd, which now looks in several hundred, maybe 500 people, they got to keep them at bay. okay, it looks like we have a special entry team coming on my back side right now. they are very heavily armed, officers trying to make an entry point here, and they are backed up by two lapd lines, they have got their tear gas ready. and their clubs. and their face masks are down. so, they are going to make an entry point there, and really, go ahead. >> kayleigh: there was a plan in place and plan was released by law enforcement sources because there are different law enforcement agencies all working together to get this whole thing sorted out. los angeles police department will secure the perimeter,

california highway patrol will enter the encampment and the los angeles sheriff's department will be responsible for crowd control. so, the protesters have had time to fortify, to get the gas masks, to to get those flashing lights to blind the police officers. police officers also have a plan in place as well. >> william: i'm sure they do. but things have been changing pretty dramatically in terms of what they have got to look at what is happening on the ground and where the soft point is now, they are going in literally. >> brian: they broke it. here we go. >> william: through the front door. >> lawrence: every time the police takes down a barrier there is another one, and they are finally making their way in right now. >> steve: it looks like there are either hundreds inside the encampment, william, or else they have just come up to get in the grill of the cops. >> william: okay, they are bringing out riot ba tondz righ.

>> lawrence: they are throwing stuff at the police. >> william: trying to blind them with those lights. the line of individuals, the officers right in front of me, the chp and the lapd, they have now brung out their riot batons and putting their masks down. and looks like they are back up the point of the spear. >> lawrence: you hear them chanting hold the line. >> brian: we are going to find out shortly that these are probably not mostly students, these are people who are. [bangs] >> carley: what was that noise, william? >> steve: flash bang? let's bring in jonathan hunt moderating from our newsroom. >> jonathan: what we are seeing now this is the chp unit you are looking at going in through what is being considered the front of the encampment. >> lawrence: rubber bullets. >> jonathan: making entry pretty quickly. those barriers, once they breach part of it, the officers, fall apart pretty quickly, then it's

a case of pushing back against the massive protesters, and there are hundreds of them, as we can quite plainly see in there. and they are forming now, obviously, a human barrier. but can you see them being brought out one by one. so this will be methodical. it will happen. it will gather pace as they begin to thin out the crowd. so this is the beginning of the end of this encampment. the police beginning to make progress after hours of waiting there for what they. >> lawrence: look likes they have gone nonlethal. if you see those it appears to be shotguns. those are nonlethal rubber bullets they are firing inside the crowd right now. as officers, as you just heard a little explosion, maybe a flash bang. >> steve: may be the protesters. >> lawrence: firing into the crowd. this is a formation law enforcement use oven where have you initial perimeter right there. they grab a protester and push them to the back side to them and then you have the other officers behind them to take

them into custody. >> yeah. this is going to be a fairly textbook operation now, lawrence and they are pushing it forward, they are being met with fair deal of resistance as you can see. i compare this to the pictures we saw inside hamilton hall columbia you saw those protesters hand themselves over to the nypd officers. these particular protesters seem to be determined to fight much more strongly, determined to resist much more considerably as evidenced by the barriers they built and the fight they are now putting up. >> brian: jonathan, who paid for the plywood. that is not cheap. so where is this thing being financed? and this is also an example of school management being absolutely awful and the lapd has to pay the price for their idiocy and their responsibility because this has gotten much,

much worse because they did not do anything. so who pays for this stuff? >> yeah. you know, william has actually done some very good reporting on where the funding comes from. but the bottom line of his investigation is that it is very hard to tell where the money comes from for these groups. because they hide it very well. but it is something -- it's a question that is going to be asked. it's an investigation of what we will obviously continue to see which particular groups have funded. [bangs] >> jonathan: right across the country now. we will get the answers in the end. we will know who funded all of this. >> carley: jonathan, we just saw a sign that said u.n.c. staff stands with the students. ucla's brother staff stands with the students. >> brian: sickening. >> carley: there could be faculty members within this encampment as well. let's bring in matthew wineberg ucla law student and chairman of ucla young americans for freedom. what is going through your mind

as you see all of this unfold on your college campus? >> this is a disgrace. to me this looks like a war zone. >> brian: it does. >> it demonstrates to me that the school is run by a bunch of cowards. it demonstrates to me the lack of moral clarity and it also demonstrates to me the degradation of our society. on that note, chapter at ucla that i run, we invited robert spencer from jihad watch to come and speak. and the school has been stonewalling the event and delaying it saying well, we are not sure we are going to have enough security. we can't approve the event officially, and what that means fundamentally is that they're prioritizing terrorist sympathizers, agitators, many of them are not even students, who are violating school policies or harassing fellow jewish students. and breaking the law over people

who want to engage in free exchange of ideas. >> brian: matt, where are you? >> i'm sorry what was that. >> brian: where are you? where are you right now? >> i'm at the fox studio in los angeles. >> brian: okay. so do you live on campus? >> i live off campus. >> brian: all right. so when was the last timing you were on campus? >> i was on campus about three days ago. >> steve: yeah. you have had trouble on campus. i know you have been waiting for the cops to move. in have you had friends who have been assaulted and are going to sue the school for not protecting them. across the country, and if you are just waking up at 6:24 or 3:24 west coast time. the cops are moving on the demonstrators there at ucla. there are a number of parents who are going to be suing these schools all across the country, matthew for tuition reimprisonment because because the basic services from the schools have not been provided

because just like at ucla, for the most part, the administrators have really caved to the protesters. >> absolutely. and there is no doubt in my mind that they are owed tuition reimprisonment. i have a friend at my law school, she was pepper sprayed. there were a number of other students that were physically assaulted. the school has done absolutely nothing. at the very least, they deserve a tuition reimprisonment, you know, what needs to be done steve how about an apology? >> an apology, but apology is not sufficient. they need an apology, they need tuition reimprisonment, and they need to hold these individuals accountable. >> lawrence: have you some of your faculty and professors that we just showed the live footage of them right here monitoring the protest. they are saying they are standing with these people that are pro-hamas. so how do you feel about people that you're supposed to learn from supporting this? >> you are getting a little cut off by the protesters.

>> brian: faculty taking part in this? >> i think it's a disgrace. i mean, what they are doing is they are encouraging students to engage in violence. i know some students on the undergraduate level whose professor said don't worry about class. just go to the protest. and stand against israel and they're encouraging them to -- and by the way, this is not about free speech. this is about encouraging violence. these are individuals as we know that are not calling for two state solution. >> brian: hang on a second. right now i'm wondering who is using that? is that tear gas? >> lawrence: that's law enforcement. >> steve: let's go to william la jeunesse. >> brian: they are not wearing gas masks. >> william: yeah, they are letting the gas go right here. >> we have chp. >> brian: what kind of gas? >> smells like tear gas to me. but, chp lined up right here. >> brian: they are not wearing gas masks.

>> william: one by one arrested. this situation, two palestinian flags flying over this encampment for several days. and now you can just see the police pug out some of that plywood and throwing it to the side. but one thing they have successfully done is get -- keep the students out who are on the perimeter, they have not been able to enter this area. this encampment area where we are to reinforce the people inside. and the officers for the time being, the back side is okay. so, everyone here. [bangs] >> lawrence: there is another canister. >> william: take them out one by one and putting them next to this tree. and i'm sure they will take them to the waiting buses by the sheriff's department shortly. but, as your guest was saying, the faculty here has been very sympathetic and encouraging towards the encampment. they are playing to different audiences here, ucla that is. the politicians have been very supportive of the free speech movement. that's. >> brian: look at them smiling.

>> i'm also bringing to the attention mayor adams said yesterday. there is a movement to radicalize young people and that is what's happening all across this country. we have to acknowledge the existence of it. this is a global problem that young people are being influenced by those who are professionals. and radicalizing our children. we are seeing it from coast to coast. >> steve: let's bring in gregg jarrett right now. because as we watch the -- and that's probably one of the canisters that has been. >> lawrence: fire extinguisher. >> brian: we don't know where they got it from. >> steve: gregg jarrett joins us. they are arresting people one at a time. they are going to put them on because. they are probably going to process them. but, as we saw yesterday, a bunch of these college students and the agitators, outside agitators were taken and charged and -- rather, were arrested, but were released without being charged. and you know how l.a. is. l.a. is very soft on crime.

is anybody going to face a legal consequence of doing this? >> not with a radical, progressive district attorney in los angeles, george gascon. it's just not going to happen. same thing in new york with columbia students and the district attorney alvin bragg. you know, as a lawyer, i look at all the crimes being committed here, everything from trespass, destruction of property, disorderly conduct. you are also seeing instances of assault on police. and when all of these crimes are committed, with a religious motivation, to discriminate against somebody based on their religion, that elevates those crimes to hates crimes, which is serious offenses. >> lawrence: another bottle launched at the cops. >> up to 12 years behind bars. none of these people will be held accountable. and, you know, they keep saying

oh, we have a first amendment right to free speech. well, this isn't protected by the first amendment. these are crimes. >> steve: that's right. >> gregg: crimes being committed. and especially heinous crimes because they are targeting people of jewish faith. >> brian: so i understand. >> carley: really quickly, brian. you are right though, gregg. we had one of the protesters at columbia, i talked to alexis mcadams and she said when you get arrested what do you think is going to happen to you? just like anybody else i will get out in 24 hours. a lot of these protesters are making that exact calculation. matthew wineberg, who is a ucla law student is still with us. and, matthew, i really want to ask you quickly. you say that one of the students that you are friends with got access to the ucla palestinian solidarity encampment telegram chat and found out that the agitators have put in place a plan on how to deal with police.

we're seeing that unfold right now. can you tell us more about that plan? >> that's exactly right. so, this is definitely coordinated effort, there was a screenshot that was sent to me and basically, they had a whole bunch of plans thousand deal with the police and how to resist the police to stand up to the police. they are not willing to concede. and, you know, we know for sure that students. [no audio] we know that for sure. there are a bunch of people behind. this we have seen students providing food from costco to these students, to these -- they are not even all students. agitators and students. and that's exactly right. very revealing this is coordinated effort. >> lawrence: i'm looking at the cops firing inside. you see the canisters right there. is he about to load it back up and fire back through the crowd.

>> steve: rubber bullets? >> brian: commissioner said this is cayenne pepper. these are pepper balls like pepper spray but in the form of a ball that's fired into the crowd. it's a nonlethal method. >> steve: if we can get gregg jarrett back on. i'm curious. you see the substance from the fire extinguisher on the vest of the cops. when you start firing off, you know from, a firing extinguisher at the cops, what type of charges are we looking at for that? >> steve: there goes another. >> gregg: they have he fire extinguishers in case fire breaks out. that's not uncommon. >> lawrence: they are firing it at the cops, gregg. what's the charges for that? >> gregg: assault and battery against police officers, resisting arrest. a variety of crimes here.

what i find so disturbing is that these people whether they're students or outside agitators are profoundly ignorant. they're advocating and supporting terrorism by glorifying hamas. i fear we are raising a generation of idiots and morons. they couldn't even tell you when they shout river to the sea what river or what sea. they couldn't pick out israel or gaza or the west bank on a map they here to intifada not knowing what that means. it's an uprising to kill jews. i know i covered the second intifada in israel and the west bank and i watched every day and saw the violence and the murder and the mayhem against jews in israel. i was there the night that hamas

terrorists murdered 11 students and injured 180 plaza. these students don't know what they are advocating. they are encouraged and embold by university and columbia indoctrinating these kids into radical -- >> brian: let's focus on the police work now. they are moving in slowly and keeping their temperament which must be tough. people have been hurling things at them as you see these umbrellas going. pushing forward in one direction as you can see this line is so wide. you see the one -- the faculty is on the steps. then you have up high you have others just ready for to be hit. now that the barriers are away, do you bull straight through or go round them all up? >> steve: we're lucky enough to have william la jeunesse, he is

just feet away from this as it's happening live on the ucla campus. if you are just joining us, you know, the protesters inside the camp were told the camp was illegal by the administration cops went in briefly, william and said okay, get out. you are going to be arrested. they have moved n the last 20 minutes. what's it like on the ground? >> william: i will tell you one thing they have done. the police very successfully. we were worried about our back side, opposite where the entry is being made. police have moved about a thousand students out of this area they took about a thousand students and pushed them out of the way. it's on the mall, if you 8, but it's outside the particular fence that we're looking at. now, i will tell you, having been here for three days, as you mentioned, this was unlawful assembly two days ago. and the university did nothing and allowed these people to reinforce themselves. you remember two nights ago when

the counter protesters came here and i was looking at the debris, all right? there were wooden plywood shields studded with nails to push people. they used these pallets to push people back. you saw weapons that they had so they are entrenched in there. they were allowed to take root, if you will, unlike some other states, right, that moved in and said these encampments are not going to happen. well, this more than a week. they brought in the plywood. they brought in the resupplies. they brought in whatever they needed up until tonight. these signs on the alleyways, they were still reinforcing themselves. this is going to take some time for the police to go through there and get these people out. given the orders by last 12 hours to disperse from where they are. the ones who chose not to, they want to be there. they want to fight. >> carley: because of the

inaction of college administrators. i mean, they created this problem, and now police are having to go in to clean up this mess. it's sort of a strange thing seeing and earns examining. in many ways it sounds like a war zone and looks like a war zone. when you see the protesters themselves, not many of them that we have seen are resisting arrest. they are being walked out with their hands zip tied behind their back. >> brian: see the smoke? >> carley: we are all experiencing this together. can you give us a sense of what you are experiencing? you are the only one we are talking to that's there right now. >> steve: what does it smell like? >> carley: does it feel like order to in or complete chaos? >> william: it's controlled chaos. around the perimeter students amassing and other entry points, like i said they were loaded forebear and very antagonistic towards us. they didn't know where they were. >> lawrence: fire extinguishers at the cops right now. >> they want to be here.

this isn't about free speech at all. this is about wanting to be a part of this resistance. and that's a choice that they wanted to make. these students could be home, they could be in their dorm and deciding to do a lot of things. they choose to be here. they were given a warning, like i said. >> brian: there are the idiot faculty. they should be all be fired right on the spot. get their gas masks off and get their ids. judging by the cops they're getting shot at with that smoke. >> lawrence: fire extinguisher. see all the substance on the cops right now. >> william: that's right. you know, the individuals they had pepper spray and bear spray. i'm assuming they are using it. used on the counter protesters two days ago. the point you guys made is a good one. this is about to universities around the country, right? threatening, telling, warning these students they could be suspended or expelled. well, ucla never did that, right? so it was an empty threat, right? a paper tiger. that never happened. so that was embolding the

students. >> brian: they got off today. >> steve: william, if you are outside agitator you don't care because you don't go to the school if the threat is that you are going to be suspended or expelled. jonathan hunt is watching this as well. jonathan, you know, yesterday at this time we were talking about how the local people, local jewish people in los angeles were -- where the counter protesters who got up in the face of the people, the anti-israel demonstrators who were inside this plywood camp that we were looking at. as it turns out the ucla administrator described the counter protesters as instigators and local and state officials in california have been condemning -- they have been condemning ucla's law enforcement because there were fireworks and tear gas yesterday and fights because the cops did not get involved faster. so, today it's really on them. they got to do this right. >> the statement from the ucla chancellor was really quite

marked in the way that it described the pro-israeli counter protesters, as the attackers in that situation. >> brian: embarrassing. >> jonathan: really struck me. >> brian: as stupid. >> jonathan: strange tone to strike. >> brian: strange is one word. >> jonathan: and then they were slow as well to then call in the police. now we have just been sitting here for more than 24 hours now since what we saw was essentially a riot on the campus of one of the blue ribbon universities of the u.c. system. and now it is -- now we are reduced to this having to see. >> lawrence: this is different. i mean, i'm watching in real time they are literally throwing stuff at the police. you got fire extinguishers, you see all of the substance on all the -- they are fighting with them. you got rubber bullets going back and forth. it doesn't look like the kid gloves are working with these protesters.

now, assaulting cops. >> jonathan: yeah, absolutely not. it hasn't worked. and what we're seeing here, i think, is interesting to note just how different the resistance is here to what we saw on the campus of columbia, to what we saw at usc just across town here in l.a. a few days ago. this is a very different group of pro-palestinian protesters, students among them, outside agitators, no doubt among them, too. but this is the most violent reis i tans we have seen, i think, anywhere in the country so far. >> brian: right. i want to bring in nassau county police commissioner pat ryder to talk about the pack particulars they are using. commissioner, you say the time is on the cops' side. they are methodically going to move through this mob. what else can you tell us from what you are observing? >> steve: pat? >> lawrence: we're trying to get the nassau commissioner up.

>> steve: do we still have -- while we try to fix that, do we have joe imperatrice with us, sergeant? we do not. all right. well, as you are looking live right there, if you are just joining us as we put this together, yesterday cops ordered the protesters to leave that plywood fort or face arrest. a couple left. hundreds remained until about 45 minutes ago when the cops finally moved. in they said we're coming in for you. and what looked like dozens, at least. you can see them right there. they said, you know what? we don't care. we don't care. >> lawrence: negotiation didn't work, brian. they tried to reason with these people. they gave them another 48 hours. this same thing happened last night. you would think there would be a call from the governor. >> brian: where is the governor? >> lawrence: where is the mayor of l.a. i know she was in washington, d.c. do we know if she back. >> carley: tweet calling for an investigation and so did the chancellor and so did the president. everyone is calling into an

investigation as to what happened? nobody is taking responsibility for this protest, this riot, this police clash that's unfolding right now. do you have to wonder what is going on in the minds of these police officers, because they are dealing with people who one of their goals is to is to defund the police. that's one of the stated objectives of this pro-palestinian protest that's spanning multiple political objectives here. so they're dealing with young people who have cameras and we have betsy britney smith on a former police sergeant said a lot of these cops are probably thinking if i look to arrest somebody, what if i get indicted? all of these people have cameras, we are dealing with anti-cop kids. what happens going to happen to me? not on the side of law enforcement. >> this is to your point, carley, this is why you see some of the cops with cameras as well. not just their body cameras but they are documenting this. when these protesters take this to court they have a case of their own. the ucla protest spokesperson released this statement

yesterday say, given that the university of california is founded on colonialism, it is inherently a violent institution. there's no need to be -- there is no need to have an adjustment here. so you have got the protesters that are violently attacking the cops right now saying the institution itself is violent. >> steve: let's go back to william la jeunesse couple yards away from where the cops are taking down the encampment. william, you have been there for three days. this could have ended a lot sooner. [bangs] >> steve: are there bathroom facilities in there? are they just going into the main building that we are looking at behind there? and they are using the facilities? they could have cut off all the facilities and people would have gone home. >> william: to get into the encampment you have the library. [broken audio] check-in area. so, yeah, they let these

students come and go as they please. also, they did nothing to control outsiders from coming in because we saw a lot of people inside who were not students, who maybe they were faculty, whatever. they were in their 40's, 50's, 60's, you name it. they were not students. that was really clear. the university made no attempt to cut them off either by supplies, by food, water, internet, none of it. it went on as if nothing was happening. the amazing thing, as you have mentioned before, is how they were able to resupply themselves and take root with plywood. >> lawrence: where are the parents? >> brian: forget that. >> william: where are the parents? i will tell you. >> lawrence: irremember when i was freddie gray case that mom grabbing her son, saw him on tv, grabbed his tail off the street and drug him home. so, if you are a parent watching this, i mean, what are you doing? >> carley: william, what were you going to say? >> william: i will tell you -- what i was going to say is i have actually seen more women arrested than men, right?

so they are coming right by our camera one by one. the police have brought in boxes and bhoxes more of zip ties. we didn't know exactly how many people were inside. i spoke -- get inside before describing the anti-semitic signs there. the jewish star being asked to step on it. that kind of thing. and between 40. [broken audio] >> brian: william, you are breaking up. we will get back now a second. let's bring in nassau county police commissioner pat ryder. commissioner, you train others to do this. you are watching the lapd and the state police are moving through. what should we know about their tactics? >> they are going to do it slow. they are going to do it methodically. they are going to take out the leaders of the group. they are going to take it down piece by piece. starting with the encampment. as they move forward, they will pull the bad guys through the line. cuff them, take them out, and keep going back. in right now you are looking at the one individual standing on the encampment above it. how dangerous is that to that police officer that is down below.

>> brian: what do you mean? the ones over to the right? >> yeah. there is no control of that right? so the cops, unfortunate disadvantage because the school allowed this to build and build and build. this should have been taken down from the beginning. you can't allow it. in nassau county. our county executive stands by us. and our legislature's stand by us. don't allow this to happen and it won't happen in nassau county. >> steve: i have got a question for you and we were talking to kurt the cyberguy the other day about the commissioner, the encampment up at columbia. he said that law enforcement could, if they want to, do this thing called, as you know, geo fencing, where you essentially know every single person who is inside a particular area. if they wanted to know you who the people were, how many students, how many agitators, how many troublemakers, they could have done that if they wanted. to say the question is do the people out in l.a., which is very soft on crime, really want

to do that? >> it's done by subpoenaing what we call the cell towers in the area. geo fence, able to pull all the phone data. everybody is screaming right now, so you are feeding into that tower. so you will get access to do that. but the problem is, these liberal companies like verizon and t-mobile and stuff, they will not give us the subpoenas like that that easy. we have to go to them say d.a.s and ask them for that subpoena. try getting that subpoena in california. >> lawrence: real quickly, commissioner, i'm watching these officers, they are spitting on the side now as the substance continues to hit them in the face. tell us about how dangerous that is. we saw fire extinguishers. there has been reports of bear spray and there is more substance come out of the encampment. that's a fire extinguisher that they have been using. the cops are pitting spitting up. tell us about that. >> toxic, right? meant to put out a fire, a gas fire, any other protection for that fire suppression in that

building. that's being sprayed by the students. that means the students have gotten control of the building, taken those items and now using them against police. we don't use that we use pepper balls. the pepper ball goes into an area, it's like cayenne pepper. cause to you be distracted and confused while we take you under control. it's a non-lethal form. what they are spraying at these cops we have no idea what it is and what it's doing to our officers. >> brian: what are you thinking, plywood away, staring at these kids, adresden line is extremely high. what is the message to the officers there? what are they thinking? >> they are the best trained in the department. when cops are in trouble, this is what you call bso guys. they will go in and take down this encampment piece by piece. what you don't know is what is on the other side of that fence. there is no intelligence work up to get to the point like a normal search warrant. this is a total chaotic situation and look at what they are doing with the umbrellas. that's not only, you know protect themselves from the pepper being sprayed at them.

but it's also being used to hide their identity. they don't want to be identified. they are wearing masks like they are hamas. >> carley: a lot of them, commissioner, are wearing gas masks, they have this time to prepare for the police to enter their encampment. also, because the college announced that police were going to be coming in. we watched these exact same police officers who are moving in right now. they have been on the college campus for hours now, all throughout the night. as people were sleeping, they have just been standing there. whose job is it, commissioner, to tell the police to finally move in and what took so long? >> it's the private property of the school. we have to wait for the schools to give us the okay, unless there is an endangerment to someone else. and then we could move in. but look what these cops are wearing. there is about 75 or 100 pounds on top of what they are normally wearing. as they are trying to go into this crowd. the disadvantage is they had the time to prepare on the other side. these students -- and i'm going to tell you, we got to stop calling them students. they are not students of ucla.

these are radicals sent in there. go in and attack the system that is in place. >> steve: well, in some cases, you know, we have been talking about it, there are a lot of these elite universities that offer degrees in activism. and this is the ultimate field trip for them. let's bring jonathan hunt back. in he has been on the scene. he has been -- he is out in l.a. right now. jonathan, for the people just getting up and looking at these shocking images off the ucla campus. bring us up to date. how did this start and where are we now? >> well, it started with the riot 24 hours ago. it was after that that the police were called onto the campus by ucla. and then around 10 hours ago, they issued a dispersal order. many of those protesters, hundreds of them, in fact, refused to disperse, stayed behind the barriers, and then just about an hour and a half ago, we saw the police finally

moving in, led by members of the california highway patrol who you see on the front lines here breaking down the plywood barriers, moving the metal barriers and moving in. you have with them various nonlethal weaponry there. we have seen them firing tear gas or pepper spray canisters that explode in the air and then the spray comes down on to the crowds in there we have seen the crowds firing fire extinguishers back at the police and they have certainly been using the pepper spray that we know that they have been armed with for some time now. but police are moving in as your guests have been saying. they are doing it methodically. they are taking those protesters away one by one. we have seen a long line of them being taken away in zip ties. they are being loaded on to buses. so the police are clearing the encampment. it's just going to take some time because as you can see very

clearly they are meeting a lot of resistance. >> lawrence: let's bring in william la jeunesse. what are you seeing from your angle? it looks like they finally got to that last line of barrier on some areas where they are making contact now with the protesters. what are you seeing? >> well, i will tell you this, you know. it took a week to build this encampment. it's going to take probably a day to take it down. they are going through methodically. there is probably about maybe, what 100 tents in there maybe more. we don't know how many were occupied. as you said, you had seen they put up these pup tents as you will and to stop them from being directed i by the gas. you are right. i saw some more pepper. >> lawrence: there it is again. >> william: a lot of flash bangs which are very disconcerting. if you ever been in a room someone throws in a flash bang you lose your hearing and sight. one thing they are using inside to disorient individuals and students before they pull them

out. >> lawrence: rubber bullets now. >> periodically going to line up, take five, six out at a time, to waiting buses by the sheriff's department. and they are going to be arrested. and they are actually going to be processed and booked. but i have seen some of the students trying to hide their faces from me. maybe hide them from their parents who might be watching. others don't care. >> brian: they are just not proud of what they're doing. >> william: most of them what i have seen -- that's right. you have seen the palestinian flags flying over there. you know they put up a palestinian flag here not on with the american flag but on scaffolding here. [lost audio] so there have been several palestinian flags standing for several days and you can see them -- waves those flags periodically. >> steve: as the people are being brought out past you, given the fact that this looks violent in nature, have you seen anybody that appears to be injured? i know a lot of them are just sitting down on the grass and they are zip tied.

have you seen anybody who is hurt? because, obviously, they will be treated and then immediately suing the cops. >> no, i have not. i have not seen -- no one complaining, no one bitching no signs of blood. the cops seem to be very surge surgical about this. >> brian: commissioner pat ryder could you come back in because looking at the police officers holding up guns and we are seeing smoke coming from the other side, could be fire extinguisher, what are they doing? are those rubber bullets? at what point do they shoot? at what point do they feel under threat? how do you see it? >> well, they are under threat from the beginning as we can see. but what -- you notice the handle on the gun it's got a red handle on it? >> brian: yeah. >> that's showing you that it's a rubber bullet gun. that's going to fire rubber bullets. that is not a live weapon. we would not be pulling live weapons at a crowd.

obviously no one firing at us. what they are use something every other item they can to throw at us. throwingany items they can at the police officers. place themselves behind the barriers, behind the walls, behind these shields as they keep moving forward. >> brian: do they have assignments. the one group cut off the barrier, the other group handled the sanitation, the other group grabbed people. now we are seeing the wrestling going on. we weren't seeing that before. >> there are hands on teams. they are the back end of it. they will go in, pull out the agitator. through the line. and then take them out in handcuffs. there are those that hold the weapons up, that hold the rubber guns, and those firing the pepper balls. they are like your third layer. move in piece by piece and start breaking it down. you just saw one of the cops go down on the ground tackling somebody. these cops are definitely going to get injured in there today. hopefully nobody gets killed. that's how bad this situation

has gotten. because the college let it happen. they did not call them in early enough. >> lawrence: so, commissioner, can you talk about -- one of the things i have been seeing is the cops can't see within parts of this encampment. can you talk about how dangerous that is to actually have to pursue subjects and you can't see what if they could have weapons, we have seen bear spray, fire extinguishers there. how difficult is that for a cop to make an arrest when that's happening? >> it's very difficult. and we lose the advantage because we are not up in the high point. you know, that's why police like horses. go in on a horse you have a more strategic point. can you see down into the crowd as you are going pick out the agitators. right now you are at a disadvantage because they are shielded by what's behind the umbrella. what's behind the tent. what's behind the 13 or 14, 15 people deep in that crowd. and from the back side of this,

those people who throw the rocks and keep pushing the other knuckle hood students that got involved. they will push them forward and throw the rocks from behind the crowd agitating the police. >> carley: commissioner, how about this gem? yesterday these anti-israel protesters held a press conference and one of the things that they said was that they complained that police didn't have intervene when the antiriot protesters. one of the demands is to abolish police. what's your reaction to that? >> try it. let's see how it works out. we will go home and see how it works out. you will get exactly what you are looking at right now on tv. chaotic situation where they will take over your community. this is not students of ucla. these are maybe the frontline is. but paid agitators that are put in there to bring chaos to our democracy in the country.

that's what's going on right now. >> brian: commissioner, can you talk about do they have ear pieces? is there an overall command telling people to move or do they just have orders and the last communications they had with superiors was an hour ago? >> no, they all have the in there. they are getting very good communication from there. vantage where we are watching and telling them modify what to move in and take down. they are doing it step-by-step the way they should be doing it and the way they are trained to do. >> steve: commissioner as we have been looking at the special operations unit. a lot of these guys are sweating like crazy because as you pointed out a little while ago, first of all it's california and a little warmer than north dakota. but, also, they have got 70 pounds of tackle tactical ge. they have been standing there for hours. they finally got the order to go one hour ago. if you are that guy and you are exhausted, what's going through your head? >> you are relying on your