the fact that this peace summit, which we had high hopes for, would be successful for ukraine, that is, what could be the consequences of holding this summit for ukraine, for the world, and for russia? well, first of all, it should be said that all the help that is provided and has been provided recently, it is extremely important for our military to be able to plan for the 24th year, whether for... sleep operations or offensive, because it is clear that we we depend on our international partners to a great extent, and it is clear that without understanding, that we can count on certain systems, on the amount of ammunition, we can't actually act for, well, let's say, for the future, we can only defend ourselves with everything that we have, and by and large this is the most important thing that happened from from the point of view of the military dimension, regarding the peace summit, i am a little...

skeptical in the sense that we will definitely not achieve peace there, but the most important goal is not even that, it is to keep our partners, and not only those who they help us the most, but also those who, so to speak, sit on the fence and watch in this situation, to keep them close to you, to show that ukraine is not bent on peace, to show that there is a peaceful formula, be it president zelenskyi's or ukraine's, as you like. name, but this is nothing more than what is written in the un charter in the final act of the csce, i mean the paralyzing of border violations, not the use of force or the threat of the use of force, and that it is in the interests of the global community, not only ukraine, not only ukraine's neighbors or nato member countries on the european continent. therefore, the summit will be positive in in this sense, that we will take the lead in the fact that we have a formula for peace, that we have a desire for peace, and that russia... is the only

violator, the only obstacle on the way to this peace, and so far it is , it is clear that ukraine needs support, this is security aid, this is economic aid, this is humanitarian aid, and of course, diplomatic and political actions, so on the one hand, this summit will not bring peace, unequivocally, but on the other hand it will create some pressure on our partners, on our friends, and those who, well, let's put it this way, stand aside in order to further support ukraine and show. that the only threat to peace and security in europe is not only the russian federation, but here the question is quite simple, mr. oleksandr, when will there be a consensus on the defeat of russia, that is, when we will clearly hear that putin's russia, or russia in that in the form in which it is now, it threatens the world, not only ukraine. well, unfortunately, i don't see any prospects here, especially in washington. and

in the capitals of old europe, well, except for sure united kingdom, because you know that the united states is in a difficult situation right now, and some of these trumpians, they are isolationist, they say that we should focus on our own interests, we don't need these endless warriors, that is, the appetite of the americans spread democracy or change regimes elsewhere in the world, and that's the appetite. there is no, and that is why it is one story, the second part and the important part is that they are afraid of nuclear escalation, because it is clear that if russia will disintegrate, the who will hold the nuclear button may be unpredictable. then the next thing is the proliferation of weapons, mass destruction, and we know for sure that in addition to nuclear weapons, russia has chemical weapons, the same skills, and most likely there are bacteriological weapons, because

russia violates all the signed... that is the possibility of civil war on the territory of the russian federation, look at the ukrainians, 6 million ukrainians are abroad, our refugees, more than 5 million internally displaced persons, so there are about 35-40 million from the country, we do not know the exact number the number of ukrainians, and there are 140 million. we can imagine the influx of these refugees from the russian federation, and by the way, through the territory of ukraine to european countries, how this... can shake political, social, stability, i am not talking about security, because russians behave in other countries in the same way as at home, so all these fears, they are, they are, they are not going anywhere, they certainly have to be worked with, and the last big fear, well at least for the united states, who will get siberia, because siberia is rich in various deposits, if it goes to china, it will mean that china will have enough... resources to

continue its policy and its strategy of becoming a hegemon in asia, and therefore the whole world, and it is clear that this is not what worries the americans. first of all, but also europeans, here are all these, this whole complex of issues, the impossibility of imagining a world without russia, but it will somehow exist, and maybe these democrats will come to power there, and maybe there can be a not so bad ruler after putin, with as it will be possible, well, if not to have good relations, then at least as in time cold war pragmatic relations and control all this contagion from nuclear weapons to 140 million women infect, keep them in this corner, that is... these moments, they are there, only our closest friends and partners who felt the whip on themselves, or boots of russia or the russian empire or the soviet union, they understandably share our views that russia as a single

whole, it must be destroyed, must be destroyed, and then, by the way, this will be a very positive moment for the russians, they will eventually then get an opportunity build. not a new empire, but to deal with their immediate affairs and build some kind of normal country. mr. alexander, the secretary of state of the united states of america, anthony blinken, is flying to china on the 24th until april, and that means he is already there, the editor informs me, and is to warn beijing of punitive measures by the white house if beijing does not stop supplying russia with military. technologies and dual-purpose technologies, although on the eve of blinken's visit to china , a spokesman for the chinese ministry of foreign affairs wang wenbin said that the people's republic of china opposes the baseless accusations of the united states of america regarding normal sino-russian

trade. let's hear what he said. in the ukrainian issue, china took an objective and fair position. position, made active efforts to promote peace negotiations and worked for a political settlement. china is neither the one who created the ukrainian crisis, nor is it a party to it. he never added fuel to the fire, never profited from the crisis and will not accept the blame game. we emphasize china's right to normal economic and trade relations with countries around the world, including russia well, it seems to me that wang vinh binh, he's a bit of a liar, when he says that china didn't profit from the crisis, and that it didn't buy cheap oil or cheap gas from the russians,

because that's actually the case and it was, but here is the fact that china constantly refers to some kind of objective and fair position, that with regard to political... settlement, it calls the war the ukrainian crisis, that is, they still they expect that russia, continuing the war against ukraine and our western partners, will collapse and they will take a part of siberia for themselves, well, what you said, what they fear, they fear in washington with all the resources, well, to be honest, i don't think that they are sleeping and dreaming of capturing siberia, why do it, when demographic, technological. financially, they have an advantage, and they already assimilate russian territories without formally controlling them. it's another question when russia will fall apart, of course, then the question of siberia is primordial chinese lands, it will certainly appear. it should be understood that a weak russia is

a very good thing for china, and not only, therefore, natural resources, russia sells to the chinese at a large discount, but it is also a market for chinese cars. and actually the chinese have become world leaders in the sale of electric cars, actually thanks to the russians, i’m not talking about dual-purpose goods, but the junk that they sell to the russian federation, so they, of course, that the chinese, if they are not lying, are at least deceiving, when they say they are not had a profit, they would like to have such a weak russia, but definitely not to lose this war, because it is a partner, definitely not an ally, but a partner that can come in handy. during, let's say, the operation to return ta to taiwan to its home port. the russian federation remains the largest nuclear power, i would like to remind you that they have as many strategic nuclear warheads and intercontinental ballistic missiles as the americans, but

they have much more tactical nuclear weapons, and this will naturally deter the europeans in particular. but it can also help as a countdown maneuver for the chinese, who, by the way, are also quite... rapidly increasing their nuclear potential in just one and a half years, something over 80 warheads and carriers they have created and are going to increase to a thousand, therefore... china wants to support russia in any way so as not to give birth to sanctions, to secondary, i.e. secondary sanctions, and export control, and this actually worries them more than international law. the 12 points that were announced by the chinese in the second year of a large-scale invasion, they are very philosophical, and there is definitely no condemnation of the russian federation, nor a demand for the russian federation to release all illegally occupied persons. territories, it is clear that we have such, let's say this, this option is not suitable, further, the chinese constantly

talk about blocs and bloc thinking and so on, of course they do not like nato in europe, because it actually gives the europeans the opportunity to oppose the russian federation, because individually they would not be able to do this, and the chinese definitely do not want any blocs of alliances in the indo-pacific region, and actually this is their typical position, well, their actual vision of what happened, why russia attacked ukraine, they believe that it was russia's legitimate interests that were violated, that russia tried to settle it politically, diplomatically , gave signals that the expansion of nato is not acceptable, and then in the end was forced to attack ukraine, that is , approximately this is the thinking of the chinese, and realized that they do not want russia to lose for another strategic reason, that is to say.. .that the west, primarily the united states states would build all their resources to contain china, so it is better to have

a weak partner who, like bovdur, breaks the international system and actually performs the tasks that china would like to do, but does not do, so as not to run into problems, and of course, to receive all the dividends that a weak partner can give him. thank you, mr. oleksandr, for the conversation, it was oleksandr khara, a diplomat, and... we, friends, continue our conversation on the air, and i remind you that we work both on tv and on our platforms, youtube and facebook, and there and there we are conducting a survey today, asking you about whether consular restrictions for men abroad are justified, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have your own separate opinion, please write in in the comments, if you watch us on tv, grab your smartphone or phone and vote, if you think consular restrictions for... abroad are justified, then 0800-211-381, not 08021382. all

calls to these numbers are free, vote , at the end of the program we will match the results of this vote. next , ihor reiterovych, political scientist, head of political and legal programs of the ukrainian center for social development, will be in touch with us. mr. igor, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening. so, the senate and congress of the united states of america. adopted a bill on providing aid to ukraine, biden signed this law, and how, mr. igor, does it change and does it change the world's attitude to the russian-ukrainian war, to what extent is this decision such a benchmark and a marker for other countries? well, actually, it's very important symbolic step and the marker itself. why? because, well, first of all, the united states reminded that it does not give up its... leading role in protecting, well, democratic principles and values ​​and standards around the world,

primarily in the context of the russian ukrainian war. secondly, this is a sig, well, such a largely symbolic step. secondly, this is a signal, of course, to the partners of the united states, including the alliance, that they are also ready to fulfill their commitments and act as a leader in countering russian aggression, helping in this way in ukraine. and by the way, i am convinced that this aid, this aid package, it is like. should not cool down the european partners, on the contrary, it should speed them up in the sense that the united states with one such decision, albeit somewhat belated, actually blocked all the aid provided by the european countries combined, and therefore they have someone to look up to and there are, well, let's say there are certain prospects for increasing the aid they provide, so it is very telling here that it coincided with the allocation of aid from britain, the netherlands, i do... and in the nearest time will be norway, france also announced a certain package, well, most

likely we are the nearest time, there in the coming weeks we will see several more such packages, but already from european countries. well, and the most important point, this is of course a signal from the russian federation, because if you look at the statements of russian propagandists and official representatives of the russian authorities, they have been in such a, you know, clear understanding for the last months that everything is going according to their plan, that they will pressure ukraine and ... europe and, in principle, the united states, well the united states in the sense that they will remove themselves from aid to ukraine, and they will be able to achieve such a change in the situation when they will dictate their terms, literally in one... day, the situation has changed radically, it is clear that this aid package that will be broken down there into smaller packages that will be allocated over a long period of time, well, he is not capable of radically instantaneously, let's say, turn the situation on the battlefield, we must understand this, and our partners, as well as all adequate representatives, are talking about this our of the military-political leadership, that in addition

to this package there are many other issues that ukraine itself must solve, but it... really changes the situation, it no longer makes russia's position so self-confident, confident, and this will force them to now reorient all their plans , which they had, and which were calculated precisely for the absence of this help from the united states, because if you look at the messages from russia, they practically had full confidence that this story would end negatively for ukraine, and when in at the last moment, to a large extent, all this was lost, they will now, well... be forced to come up with some new tactics and strategy, taking into account the fact that ukraine has received significant support, and this support will last at least until the end of the year. will they have time to do it? well, let's hope not, and we will be able to use this certain confusion, which is present in them now, to our advantage. other questions that arise from the american side to the ukrainian side are

partially articulated in the state report of the state department of the united states america. for the 23rd year and, in particular, it refers to the violation of human rights in ukraine during the war, in particular, it mentions the telethon "edyni novyni". i will quote what the americans write. a national telethon, a rotating platform of channels that toe the government line, war coverage, an impossibly unprecedented level of control over prime time television news. moreover, some media reported being excluded from lucrative terrestrial broadcasting contracts and pressure from outside. office of the president in the spring of 2022, let me remind you in the spring of 2022, the three tv channels espresso fifth and direct were turned off, turned off from t2, we did not receive any explanation from the authorities, how these markers are, how they will affect the attitude of the americans, on the fact that the americans

will extend a helping hand to ukraine, and how important are they? because i am now reading the reaction of ukrainian officials, in the performance of the duties of the minister of culture and information , karandeiv said that there will be no quick reaction from the authorities to these remarks, and why exactly? but look, this is actually expected position, now the authorities will generally try to pretend that this is just some kind of wishful thinking, some analytical report that is not, well, you know, a document that must be... taken into account, why? because the government is actually completely satisfied with this situation, both in the context of information policy and in the context of some other points that are written in this report, and they concern not only the information component, but many others in principle. therefore, now there will be a certain period of lack of reaction, then they will watch a corresponding reaction from the united

states. you see, americans, when they do such things, they don't do them just like that, they make it possible by speaking. in such, you know, simple language, to save face: we hinted to you, we made a certain hint, we give you the opportunity and time for you to draw the appropriate conclusions, but if you do not draw these conclusions, and this time can be there for several months, he it really is not about days or weeks, then we will make other decisions and they will be tougher in relation to those of the problems that were raised in this report, so now the authorities will try to... somehow ignore it, hope that other topics, more relevant, will one way or another cover up the negativity that is in this report, but something tells me, that they will not forget about it for one simple reason: in the state elections , including these issues , internal ukrainian issues will be used during the elections for certain manipulations, manipulations, well

, in the end, we have already seen it, we have seen it as separate topics about censorship , example, frankly used. there are ultra-radal, right-wing, some right-wing politicians, it is clear that they did it not in such a, you know, correct way, even in a bad way, but it got into the information space, it influenced american citizens, it shaped their public opinion to a certain extent , therefore, in fact, the authorities now have a great opportunity to take advantage of these comments, these recommendations and try to somehow correct the situation, i will say right away that i do not believe that there the end of the legal... martial law regime , we will have, for example, a canceled single marathon, well, you know this very well, a good tool that will be used in the future, especially since it is financed from the budget, and... there are private funds the owners of those tv channels that participate in the marathon, for example, so there is no, let's say

, sense in giving up such a tool that is totally, well, controlled, and it will remain, because certain objective points related to the need to counter russian propaganda will be cited there is no need to argue with this, but this is not enough in the 24th year, it was enough in the 22nd, but not enough in the 24th, at the same time , the authorities could take one very simple step now, which would significantly... . leveled the negativity from the messages that are in this report, what a step, it is simple, just take back the three channels that were turned off without any arguments, well, don’t even give arguments now, just return, and already accordingly you will remove, well , at least one problematic situation, which you yourself created and which, from the point of view of national security, is absurd, because these channels did not pose a threat, on the contrary, they contributed to efficiency. our information security there, countering russian propaganda and so on, but will it be enough for this, let's say, the current authorities have rivets, let's see, after all, they have

the temptation to leave it as it is and hope that it will be possible to sit with it a sufficiently long period of time, and it will not lead to any negative consequences from our partners, another topic and such a cornerstone topic for negotiations americans and ukrainians, this is corruption, bribery in power. and here we see in the background, once again, the decision of the senate and the congress, the case of mykola solskyi, the minister of agrarian policy and food, who was suspected in a case related to the acquisition of land, appears. sotsskyi himself says that the events about which, according to nabu's information, i was informed of suspicion and about which information is being spread in zmi, relate to the period 17-18. that is, at the time when i was a lawyer and was neither the minister of agrarian policy and food, nor chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on

agrarian, gift and land policy. at the same time, the sap asks to arrest the minister of sotssky, with an alternative payment of 200 million hryvnias as bail. in this situation, what should solsky have done? well, look, i have a very simple answer. he had to explain what he did, but he also had to resign, probably immediately. i understand that sometimes there are such cases when this resignation, well, it may look there, well, even inappropriate to a certain extent, but well in in this case, we have the position of nabu and sab, and look, despite all our desire to believe in the independence of the bodies, something tells me that, for example, the bank knew about a similar case. if she was not stopped there or was not postponed in one or another informal way, then, well, she was actually supported or sanctioned there by, well, at least some representatives of the president's office, respectively, if this

happens, the person's tenure as a minister, and a strategic one an important industry for ukraine, well, it is doubtful from a moral and ethical point of view, and it is now harming the cabinet of ministers, i will remind you, by the way, that in this report, which we mentioned when we discussed information'. one of the threats to state policy was precisely the rather high level of corruption in the government, that is, it was such a general phrase, but this moment was mentioned, and here we have a story about the fact that such accusations are brought against the minister of an important minister, an important ministry , that's why, even purely humanly , the position was probably correct, i resigned, i defended it my honor and dignity, because, by the way , the case here really looks a little strange, no matter how you look at it, i even saw some parallels conducting cases there, for example, against the famous businessman mazepa, yes, which we discussed there relatively recently, that we took some episode , who was there for a long time, was brought in

now, but she is, and if she has already reached such a level, her tenure, well, she causes some damage to the ministry, look, we will have serious negotiations with poland, serious negotiations with other countries, regarding the transit of our agricultural products there and so on, well, here is a simple question, do you think the position of our partners will change now with the arrival of the minister, when they will have such information, well, something tells me that yes, that they will not have a particular desire , it is possible to somehow communicate with him there, because they will not know how long this person will be in office and, in general, how much authority he has to make certain decisions, or will it not happen that later because of these criminal cases, he will at some point be the most important thing there will go and everything they will talk about will no longer be worth anything, because you know, such a feature as the heredity of politicians there, it is generally in the ukrainian cabinet of ministers in... the ukrainian executive power, it is, unfortunately, practically absent, and therefore this creates a global problem, and it would be optimal to solve this problem in this way, to defend yourself calmly in court, to prove your

innocence, because... in our country, the court only makes such decisions, but not without taking political risks in principle for the activity the cabinet as a whole, but well, judging by the fact that this resignation and conversations about it did not even take place there, well, literally after the announcement of this suspicion, maybe he will remain in the position of minister for some time, unless of course the court issues a decision according to which he will be detained there and will not be able to simply perform his duties , well, as a minister of a european country, he should actually resign, or at least ask for it from the side. him from the performance of his duties, for the duration of the investigation, yes, this is a good option as well, which is absolutely permissible within the limits of our normative and legal bases, yes, not like in russia, where they already took the deputy minister of defense of the russian federation, timur ivanov, who is close to shaig, and he is accused there of receiving bribes, and he worked for many years the deputy of serhiy shoigu and was the hero of the anti-corruption investigations

of oleksiy's associates. navalny, the russian edition of important history writes with reference to sources in the ministry of defense of the russian federation that the real reason for the arrest of the deputy minister of defense of russia is treason, and in march in the 24th year, ukrainian intelligence forces carried out a special operation, as a result of which they gained access to a significant mass of confidential information and official documents. timur ivanov, well, they write about such a story that ours pulled out some documents, as a result of which it became known about the bribes of the deputy minister of defense of the russian federation. i don't know which conspiracy to believe more, the kgbists against the security forces, against those who serve in the army there in the kremlin, or gur against the entire russian federation, what do you say about this? i think here, well,

it is unlikely that it is really a bribe. i don't know to what extent it is about treason, well , everyone knew about bribes a long time ago, no one touched it, here, most likely, it is a story about the struggle of these kremlin villains again, and it is clear that this is a blow to shayg, because it a very trusted person, a person who is almost there right -hand man in some, let's say, matters, and if he was arrested, and you pay attention, he came straight there in a uniform with orders and so on, he sat all there in a glass cage, yes, when accordingly, this decision was announced to him there previous trials. so this is a clear story about finally either finishing off or minimizing some influence there that remained with shaygu, well, and advancing it, perhaps in the perspective of the entire position there, after all , this always happens in russia, they start with some figures, well less effort in order to get to the one who is at the head of one or another corrupt clientelistic pyramid built there, and here is this story, well , most of all, it is a story about a certain settlement of accounts there, a struggle for strengthening there

of his influence, but... the story about treason and the role of the main intelligence agency there, well, according to tradition , the special services could simply have prepared there, since putin loves such stories, and as they say, only after he saw this type of accusation in the state for the sake of it, he authorized this aresh himself accordingly, so you know this is a story about devouring each other, do it faster and on an even larger scale, and we will watch all this with pleasure, absolutely, thank you mr. igor for the conversation, it was igor. friends, during this broadcast, we are conducting a survey and asking you whether consular restrictions for men abroad are justified, the interim results of the television survey are 58 yes, 42% - no, approximately the same numbers we have on youtube, 47% - yes, 53% - no, after a 15-minute break, rather news on the bbc, we will return to the studio, we

will have political experts. maksym rozumny and oleksiy koshel, wait - wait, we 're going back to the studio, the president of the united states, joe biden, signed the aid bill ukraine, taiwan and israel, however, this is a decision. washington caused indignant reactions both in moscow and in beijing, but why? this is exactly what the next 15 minutes of the bbc broadcast live from london, in the studio of jafer umerov, are about. so israel, ukraine and taiwan receive more than 95 billion dollars. and the day before, the united states senate overwhelmingly approved the long-awaited package of foreign aid. i voted for this aid package.