to say like devices presented do you have any news on instagram and the no follow up this week on the 77 percent street debate. we used to be forced to speak english. why we we can from becky ground of speaking. so here we have seen, raised and in, so i really do you, do you lose your identity simply by learning another language. when i speak english judge mckinsey, which means i have to leave or michel just behind my family to, to, to, to do not just new phones with my father. hello,

and welcome back to the 77 percent. this week we are in one of my favorites, which is in africa, the rest along tons of media. now, did you know that the over a 100 languages spoken here and yet so he remains a national language. in fact, tons of media until recently was only one or 22 countries in africa to have that. as of today, we are asking why is it that we choose these impose languages when we have so many to choose from who but the 2 assets, then some fellow tons of ideas. and i just want to start to be a general question, rachel, and by the way, i know we're having this conversation in english, which is the entire point of this debate. so just by show of hands, how many of you speak more than 2 languages? at least to a more languages that's almost everyone on the panel who speaks at least 3 languages. at least really well, at least for ok. so let's start with you. the last man who is a student here in terms of the yeah, he's actually from a, from diana. so

a club. so what languages do you speak? so i speak english now to say you alex s b. i kind of a cheat analysis. this house that you also see costa, so for language and so how many languages do you speak? 2 languages, which ones are they in english? okay. so is it normal for most times and he has to be speaking at least more than 2 languages are kinds before does that is but i think, yeah, usually the standard 2 is usually the standard, but most often it's one say okay, so when we think tons of media normally the 1st thing that comes to mind is just the beauty, but also the use of this. will he be language? can you tell me how he became so prevalent in this country? historically? i think it's due to just the history of so he, of course has been the place to bring people together persians or hands of the european so. so healy was the only literally, the language of brought these people together. so you'd have an arrow because the

ceramic approaches disclosure who can speak to the offers. so they had to form a language that everyone would understand and that's how so he was born, which is i some of the phrases. some words is what he makes around, the corps are kind of like it or at least and so, and so over the years kind of builds up that way. so they've been tribal wise, you would have as a mental language, you'd have some phrases in this drive. also mimicking some phrases. and so obviously it's a concerted efforts, not just by the politicians, but also the people of times when you have to speak. so he be right, but obviously this has also brought some challenges villamore because uh. 1 many people just speak to look into the not entirely able to communicate with the rest of the blow, right? yes, one of the people, the dentist, so he from the background from the original smartphone, people who are like, you may be going to school with idea. i got to need it's lynn english regardless. okay, so talk to me a little bit about how it is in terms of mia every. let me speak to you because you're a teach at a private school. the language of instruction is ideally supposed to be useful.

healy until you gets to secondary school, am i right? i see that 2 options in the private sector. that is where english is mostly spoken as the medium of communication waiting. the government's website is mostly spoken as the medium of communication. so that gives a chance for most of them to keep reading the language and gets used to eat and they grow, we've eat, but when they reach 70, when they get, they get to secondary. suppose that is when they sense using one language inductance, english as the meat of a communication, isn't this difficult to though? i mean to have that super high transition support? tell me about the experience. it's really difficult because know when a child is speaking, my, the, my, the language associated and then there you, you, you being to use another language in english. it's really hard for students to pop up with 2 languages. yeah. so it's really has, right. so i'd like to ask the question to someone who has a ph. d or is doing a pc is what he yeah, it's an adult,

something we have language is honestly along this is i looked at along with this one here to friends and the kind of language. and do we have lots of limit, lots of language as much as much as we can. but when it comes to the language of instruction, for my opinion, i think we should instruct, there will do, should ditch a student who you're using the language which they know. and before my side doesn't . yeah, i think it's best to use this white white sway to because it's known if the student loan to the to, to it's not up to just one second sir, available. so ditching using and the kind of language it's me is uses pop, those who lose a lot of energy and i'm telling you. so we looked us to the do phase getting given to just been not most of the, just of the of you know, coming to because you're raising your hands there. also, like i said, over a 100 languages spoken in this country. so what's the place of those quote unquote, by the time actually that the other things uh, basically how do you use the tribes. okay. and then for the site,

it happens to be the mainland with business booking in wisconsin. and for that reason each unites us brings us to give us some settings and that is a piece right? we've spoken in in this country. yeah, i also wanted to speak about this and see should the, from the time able to stick with that isn't usually there's some, had she during the 1st 2 years because the kid on the people has to try to transform. he will have so language, but it must be a so that they can pop up with the education. and oh, that's okay. but the sub to years, they usually on the same level because the set speaking i'm at even control themselves in education vision on the english language. okay. maria, i work in publishing. so we see a lot of people who are non degree days. so you have someone who's graduated from college who really reads for a year and, and this is almost always, that should be due to the fact that they only have to learn english in um, in, in seconds. or they only have had to learn. so he can make only primary and then

they have to abandon it. so by the way, before we get to fly, i just want to tell our audience that there's been numerous studies that have been done. we support the fact that early childhood learning is actually better if done in a medium of instruction that the child understands. let me hear from you as most of these on countries and these people are trying to get into that activity based on the why that language becomes a so you know, that going for. so that means that action, we mean 1st linux, the language. i say english language says if someone came for me being that idea, now south africa for reason is but as a matter of fact, as with any doctors. okay. sure. so during that, this is a really interesting point. she's brought up which is where the hierarchy of language is, right. so he said that when it comes to business at home, speaking to your people help on a pallet you use this lady. but when it comes to business, english is the preferred language. why? and so he's also an official language, in most cases we are bundling or language. so he,

when switching for job searching for the, for the opportunities, you must know english. you also speak. so he has such a national language, but it's does it actually help you to move to the higher levels when he was searching for different opportunities and the sway as my m. c. d a, when we moved from the frame i live a, we do a bundle in our long. okay, so we're talking about abandoning the language and yes, the people who i think top dollar to learn the language. lilian here is from zimbabwe and she's doing how much does it so he so what got you thinking? this is a language i want to use even other times, and he has himself say, perhaps it's not the best language should be learning at the moment. well say for me i, i saw that you sway healey eh, it's getting over to me for my own country. let me just say that i'm the lovely to solicit these like a tiny this. wow. okay,

congratulations. yeah. so i assume that this language is going to give me explain to me for like now, but was, was setting to then uh, it's use this to me specially to this is being forced to them to. so he is one feeling with this feeling assessing that well, they didn't tell me they're chinese, you're teaching the germans here teaching. well, they go for those language as well. so you don't have anyone who's speaking now which say just to, to go for keith, why he left is also a 15 language up. that's an interesting what you've used, forced to learn. so he did you think that we are hosting of the africans to use the national, the native languages, the, the african languages. so healy has always been mingle africa, you know, it's links people together. i think what's happening right now, even with the say being the them, the language of the a you and in the ac is that we understand that it links people has more than

a language as a culture. so being african people relate to. so the healey speakers because you relate to the culture in itself. well, just the language. yeah. so, but mario, we really being honest with ourselves. yeah. if i'm just the corners to be, as i can kind of really want to make fun of tons of me is because of your proficiency of, of what do you leave? i mean of english, we internalize the self hate so that we judge people based on their ability to just be a board language. let me have some thoughts on the floor, right. because, oh yeah, yeah, go ahead. i would have to say uh in since then, you know, when you speak english its when people look at you like you're intelligent and on a sick. so he, oh, when you can't speak english, there was look at you like doing or how isn't doing an english fully show for this like you're for because you don't know english. so it's, it's, it's really, i don't really get it out because they, uh, we say, speaking english as, as being intelligence. well, why is the language everybody can just you then,

can you come in any language and can be what it doesn't? doesn't really matter. yeah. yeah. really yeah. what is it just to, to research on the highlights of language, actually mobile to kind of to change. we actually have writers just that is we have english and then we have showing that they haven't did badly. so now like english is inc until white because it's the media, i'm a foundation bank for the whole country. we don't have like additional language, which is our own down, which we only use english assembly, you know, communication safe. you missing someone from another ethnic group and you said you can speak english to cancel news as well. yeah. transforming anything. so we actually have such pay like this. but give me a 2nd to just come to evelyn. i've read that teaches a sometimes horrible to students who don't speak. so he who employs the and shame as a tool to try and encourage them to learn. is this true to you? see what happens is, as my friend said, that's english is being termed as they say,

the news of intelligence you see and not speaking english, you seem like you, you have and useful. okay? and that is, that becomes of really big for me in this kind of just moving as okay. and my advice to the government. i think since they decided to have these 2 sections that we have the public schools and private schools, i think we should also continue events on the $600.00 level. because that will give an option to of a to set it with the site, the language to keep on using it. and perhaps they will do it better. yeah. for i shall i still you really shaking your head when i asked about this shame question. oh good, did you have an experience in secondary? i remember winwood school. those are rude to speak english and this we don't speak english for the day. the punishments and everything. so no more punishment, like, you know, the more calls you know, 660 a couple of speak to get a couple of 6,

you know, punishments in there. so we had really to, to call using english, try not to speak with you at all. wow. well, day from wanting to evening, maybe later on in the the waning and there the dummy street. that's why you were sick. so he a little uh, but i mean this must not be good psychologically for anyone who's trying to learn the language. right. let me hear from you see, we used to be forced to speak english. yeah. of why we we can from becky ground of speaking. so here we have seen raised and in, so i healy, so you reach and secondary school and find yourself that you have to speak. you'll really need to speak english as your best language. so we're getting confusion at the end of the day. you know, because the teachers, they, they, they, they, they the, the, the school they haven't explain why, what, what are the importance of

a student to speak this english. but the will see you at the end of the day, you have to speak english for monday to do it evening. then you find yourself, you are hungry, you are here and you are ending up hating these things school english. so i really like what you said about it even makes you, you know, sort of don't want to learn english and it to a certain degree. yeah. but when we draw, so i can be, as you say, or when we don't see it as valuable, what do we lose as a society? when you don't seeing swahili or if you don't write in swahili, what do we lose? of the culture. we lose our stories, you're growing up. we as you know, tons onions. historically we being started have been passed down to us by your oral traditions, or like we have grandfather's grandmother sending us stories. and so he but then you have someone who now has to abandon home to go to school where they're no longer being told go stories. these are he then no longer reading it is really the

no longer right jesus or he, you, you, you lose your identity. i was actually think all these discussions going on. there's a sort of like a cultural erasure that's happening where people forget who they are. so you, you find yourself unable, i'm actually a victim of that unable to, to relate and connect to your own language. so that loss of identity comes across, as you call it. so 50 gated, because you learn english, you are able to communicate internationally, but really is a loss of self and in the identity of who you as a person, and really should say to really be seen cause. so someone said here when you to them most students who are not really pressing very good because of the area and then we don't get a lot of people that sell professional in many areas like in industries i, you know, in the movie and us and everything so we were, you find that we have to get another people to come over to do our stories to

rachel books, you know, to make a film to do everything for us. this way she sees we are losing our own stories like who were raised on. so if you can speak for yourself and because you don't have a long which is on, so let me hear from you mean the, like for b a, c, h would that makes leaving your language assigned. and let me someone makes you this way. they can use them, but i think it would you lived with me to court your things that came late right now. for example, the bullet, the, you know, mary doreen. yes. yes. to do that. and the bearing of the dates, those are the 2 quotes or things which i know right now. but a lot of the things that we do is big, big, big, it's thrust ok. we don't to anything about that, but do you, do you lose your identities? simply by learning another language or is it because because, i mean, i speak multiple languages, right? i have not stopped being i q queen or kenya and, or an african. well,

the problem is that when you live along which, you know, sites, it's like the people who the language like when the problem comes. so when i speak english, i takes just like an english person, you know, 18 they can do this. this is, this means i have to leave all my cultures behind and it's like that one i am learning about, right? so let me ask last month and when he started learning. so he did you find yourself making decisions that were different from say, perhaps if you're speaking a lot, by the way, when you dream, what language do you dream? and i think i really respect seems right now and even thinking that kind of how his side kind of looks like. mm hm. yeah. let me ask the rena here because when i'm looking at the 1st industrial revolution, everybody's in the digital space as what he is fairly well represented. but not

enough, right? are we losing out on perhaps making leap and bones that's active because we just love speaking? what language we need to localize. the digital tools nice localize the content so that they can be accessible swahili language. i mean this way we can be able to save a lot of wage and to make sure the dentist generations guns in plain language. i would say that's remaining isaac bottles picking our local language. we just make technology for us because they normally get the money market for sticking a movie at the future. interiors with the site and doesn't young's alliston that along with and so even in the, towards mid maybe 4 business bypass they would guess transform those technology for me all along with 2 months. so the fact that that comes for me from as an active language, we have being forced to add that to technology rather than take longer. this one that i totally get your point and be 200 millions because of so

a healy on the continents. surely it should be adopted. yeah, i a so, so i totally get you points. um, so back to you creating in your mother's tongue. it's like you you how does that compare to when you perhaps think right in english is an octave. spite of it's for sure. so it's really easy when you, when you seem, or when you producing or when you're acting in your model number because of being yourself still you would be, you're living and then you're on scan nothing in there because you still find out what i mean. and we by you, and we're not going to when a talk with you to him, we by and cannot go to the volume, but he will fly before i can give. is that a focus we're here to. so the name book, because reading is still fun. you that he's the money, it is the own. enjoy the music, like, you know, people can get so many i know for the oh that's i'm castillo, what you're the one you, i'm good yourself. i don't know. like how you met test is only 20 likely to sign a few of them. we buy you can we use that you to an actress or are seeing now you

find out why raffle. ok. i like that. so we need to the piece of the language is because it helps us tell us stories one point going and a big by using the good thing for the. yeah. is that so that those the so slow, you think we're not free as a people because we speak these lower languages know about the survey you can see, but when i do believe for what is the advice so i'm looking for using english. i'm looking for the most to me i can do much, elizabeth fairly well, you know, look as a body slot, a early me took your to to do not get new phones the my you, if i just wonder what will go? no. are you how body up with this one day when you were love, you change it is like you saw it on so i could see nothing upon your phones or bother. i have bought chevy from the you little the know where's the to a mighty for you? for the follow variable, now you've got the model of your to example,

could you look it up like when i'm ready for the so i have to walk tomatti. what was about we have some good as possible that you could use a double. yeah. well, you have to party modify like continue the job is. so why do you when you have both c o one, you'll get low. wonderful. just wasn't working. what your rough? why didn't well physics? what do one of them? i just want to do what i want to for force, because i can do that a little bit and use this. what do you, what you don't the don't did you go? did you lose hope you're doing like watching the eclipse done to rest? so finding it there must be multiple drugs i using the younger couple of them. i really, really loved the passion that you're speaking here about. but i think we need some practical steps. yeah, i think, you know, they do well with all the speaking of them. other times, perhaps a lingua franca, which is an african language and then english. but that's not the reality today. so how do we shift this thinking?

how do we get more people interested in applicant language? is what people speaking them writing and then seeing them doing the base in them. let's have some ideas. so i think uh, on my side i'll do more localized things. uh, do you to tools and did you get to contents into our language into so he and this is the very best way to present this language. it is the very best way for people to live in the digital spaces. okay. you had another point for me, which will be our site calling the language we have at the best and whatever we are doing as me then said that we should emphasize using all along it's. so from there when we transform them that on, we move them. valerie to natalie to nod track visions, kansas. so typically we are doing, we do it through the phase of our okay. i like that somebody does. yeah, let's hear from you. other bye for the one i see a honda comes, what are you thinking of as a he will not only lose he's a he but you also losing out and that's his language is for now we have

a native language is he does any of that dying for example, come the language lots, most of us know the kind of language it is from the eastern bunch of people in africa, the 1st language to be spoken and he so he does spoken by 15 countries. and not only that you sent africa, but also in the western africa and the central africa, the some country speaking. so he and we have to, for once the he, i, to a level that all of the african countries have to speak. so he is, defies to them which to be spoken. he ate africa, south africa, yet teaching. so healy is well yeah. they recently adopted the to them. well let me hear from you final final thoughts. how do we preserve this language? new language is okay. so i think these 3 ok, governments discussion constituents in particular do conference that should work together. government should make the varieties in making us what healy as the main language, but also accessibility to pretend it is. but also the technology company that should have the different access in producing the device or products like apps that you'd have also put the as late as a pot of lending and those up, well. so we have

a lot of, you know, rates as we have lots of free created this. what he does on it, they have a d s o, maybe they have design sorted. but we have to preserve those with within those ideas because you have to be in english, even the inefficient yelling. so the definition challenge they named is still going to move it, but they don't know how to use that man. just sort of got them into the kitchen, go solution integral you composition up to get. i'm from watching oscar longer to let me get the last 2 points. these one from you and marian will finish with you agree that the good from lots of, of healing. let us draw up the ideas that when you speak english, you'd be looking like to intelligence and wells and everything. let us send that out to you. so i really like you. so i you to connect to speak to, to us why healey miller africa. let's as use it to welcome to she wants the speech, our children, that the, the child a community so that we can promote it more you swahili look on j. thank you so ok.

so maria, somebody's in the, in addition to everything, as those just said, i think another thing we need to do is also change online. sit on watch you. yes, you would be a quote unquote commercial because i think that's when the world, if you give the world permission to show you that you're not cortical commercial, the world will show you that if we are adamant to make contents, to create books to, to present our stories in the language that preserves who we are as a people, the world who make room for that. we just need to do it for us. so all of us have the collective responsibility to promote the language is that still the most religious to us? and also we have the we, we, the world who make room for that. if we do it, i like that. and i think that's a great place to wrap this debate. we started with the simple question, how do we change this narrative? i think you've given us a really good answer because preserving language is,

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