should tend to shape tomorrow. join us and register now for the d. w. global media for in 2020, for the presidential elections in russia. of the usual full gone conclusion. with nothing left to charles, not even the desk in jail as the leading opposition figure elect saying about me, whose name postern couldn't bring himself to speak. my guess is the russian commentary to andre kalashnikov, who had split kindly. he rush, are you ready? just center in moscow wasn't a valley such a serious threat to put in his regime if he had to be killed either to be in prison or when it was a threat to pretend that competitor may be invisible in an information feel about the same time quite mighty and way to compress it for, for the parts of the population. because of that, it was important to, let's see,

eliminate him from the political fuel. so what's it like to live with the government that kills its political opponents and seem for must go? why the sub space of warnings, by nato officials, about a russian attack over the next few years. what does a know we done and the color slick of welcome to complex. i don't think so that's it's much, it's time for presidential elections in russia of letting me a put in once a 5th time that'd be and that person always gets what he wants. is this as close to absolute power as it gets in russia? yes. so this is one more step to choose absolute power. but so when we're asking our cells where it was 20 points, for she seems as a be confused to michigan logic because the development of his interview was somewhere in the year 2020. when he told the referendum about

some of the med, most of the constitution, both of may think about 0 and copious prison essential terms. and now she is over to the president. and the after is that all the doors were open for any steps. functions sites like to this war of february 22, 22. unfortunately, it has no other means the same year. 2020 it doesn't have much to do with democracy . it does it. these elections, even mr. perkins spokesman dmitri pest golf, tell the new york times last year, presidential election isn't really a democracy. it's a costly bureaucracy. so why bother with this show? because this is one more attempt to, to demonstrate to the majority of the rough can population that they, they are still the majority, which is obedience, indifference and ready to continue to accept the pretense initiatives.

and just as important as that's minority minority is a must understand that they are still minorities as they can to influence anything cause this country. because we have a majority which is in flash which supports proteins. so nothing to do with this political system. we can't change and i think because of that, so this election search to no significant it's the same times. it's just one more really rounds aflac way not to to repeat. so this kind of really into refresher as a legitimacy or for your to correct. oh, credible candidates of being eliminated way before the polling stations open bar is not just in the anti war candidate. he was disqualified by the state because some traction for a while. was he a, a threat? was he didn't that's right. an edition with squares attracted to the public who was

liberal views and you're down in the rush or millions of people who are sharing to liberal pro the critic pro western the anti portion of the vision of the world. and because of that, and addition was kind of a fault for just people wednesday sun and it's pushing it and it was understandable, that's a criminal decide. it's not till ocean to participate because she puts it undermines the feeling of absolutes, consolidation around putting in a case of getting, i don't know, 56, even 10 percent of it man into it. it could means that the paternity is not the only one who is the producer. so the supports and there are people with the enter your agenda, not to mention the 10s of case and that there's some cook demonstrates enter your agenda via television and the code. so shake says and use so for the majority which is still not connected to the to be set. so. so with no,

they decided not to not to risk you from that slide risk. i'm alexa, nevada, me that in a prison camp in the arctic circle, once he ever really i'm electro threat to prove to or was it that he and others like him. we're never going to be allowed to get anywhere near that status. the only didn't have an opportunity to participate in the legal political process. but so when she does participate in the year 2013 during must goes to my ears. election sky was extremely efficient, astonishingly efficient for kremlin investors and they decided to not to allow him to participate in any kind of like options. so if it was a real threat to pushing them to some moment to moment to the means that pasta the whole political process reduced, busy. now this is it,

is this find between the founding and approach him. and is that sense even being can prison? that when it was a threat to pretend that competitor may be invisible in an information field about the same time, quite mighty and square to compress it for those and part of that population. and because of that, it was important to, let's see, eliminate him from the political field. do you by the story that he was about to be swapped for a kayla. so having time in germany, do you by that story? of we don't know the truths maybe will not know it, but it looks like blow simple story. and in that sense, simple, it wasn't requested dance that she was, let's say maybe killed maybe by some maybe something else. so we have to wait

for some results. so for his team or research to maybe use the gym to clear up some good deals and i found his family is pretty clear and his colleagues are pretty clear that the state did kill him. you wouldn't seriously argue with that, would you? i would say like the so the experience of this regime demonstrates that it's as possible. let's remember as a case of st policy or in any other cases and put in the several times. so repeat it to you are anxious, courier that the my pets, realty color oriented ordering. and since people do that, but these and because of that among people with uh, let's say liberal views, there is no doubt that nobody put the keels. uh no, no, we don't have full controls of evidence of it. so,

but the feeling is very strong. comp, russian civil society. we know that they tried and failed to kill him back in 2020 and we know because the millions listen to a government assessment describing his previously unsuccessful attempt to kill him about a little realizing that he was actually talking to him about the i'm being recorded by him at the time. so nobody's going to believe any government denials of a underscore. uh you know it's mean so what do we mean by nobody to because of the majority still prefers to believe freedom. main unofficial version or prefer us not to think about this. the horrible story? yes. a lot of russians they didn't know about the poisonings. they didn't know the stuff now, but i'll needs it in this account on your arctic circle. but uh,

the majority prefers not to boulder itself. uh, uh, not to pay too much attention to, to this for us in order to keep for themselves mentally normal. um this of tomorrow, but the majority prefers not to know anything about uh, like, uh, uh cuz you know, it is still with his, uh does this thread cetera. and because of that, that's more about belief with disbelief among people with a normal view swiss a democratic fused record by from a lawyer at the human rights group. memorial said if they could kill nevada and they, they could kill anybody else if he's right. where does all this and all the kennings, all the political prisoners. why does this, and i know the real threat is to political prisoners assured

that we don't have a political position in the proper sense of the words right now because of a high level of, for patients kyra's in the, in names of substitute new new orleans of last year or so for his existence and i, i, i would say that unfortunately, for instance, people like to let him and cut them. it was a really a yes from could be under threats. and not everyone in dissidence community, but uh, the main, one of the most local people from mazda political, a position, because barto was a political position as a broad sub parts. so for the leader, a star in prison. so for people who are in prison, so there was a real threat, i think unfortunately, you spoke of the found this funeral about moral resistance among the population, people carrying flowers and candles to his memorials. how much of that moral resistance is left in russia?

i guess transit schwartz moral, because as i said, political position isn't so efficient right now. and this is more about a moral resistance and about political resistance. this people can fight as they don't want to fight for power. they don't have fully their asses. they don't have organizations which are totally liquidated, by the regime. even small in jewels about the dose of the demonstrates as a funeral. and the dentist way to that this civil society still here must be for a society of such which is very different than the passive and full of confirmed mis and civil society. the society of responsible citizens who as to who was the best for, for the country, for in a permanent order because of this war, they demonstrated that they are here. it was extra route step for people club for

who were going to to the funeral. because of the, the face recognition system is working and sometimes, but listening to coming to a to is a flat. so is this people after a different kind of events, wolf funerals like the link flowers as a man, as a place? as of man, there we go. for political repression, so it cetera, cetera. so if you want to see the so civil society in the rush, we can open for instance, the website over then for was. so is it concrete statistics about persecutions about the criminal prosecutions, administrative persecutions? extrajudicial persecution spent a lot of examples of these kind of problems for russian citizens, but she resist civil society, which is still ready to resist. and i'm ready to at least to

think of all the constitution think about. so it's a responsibility, collective responsibility. you, you talked about values, legacy, i'd like to know how long you think it will last. isn't it inevitable that as the years go by, that will be less and less opposition? moral or real refreshing works 1000 it repressions efficient? yes. for patients work the same time, no. this fatigue from room is also sheer. and in a case of mine, they're successful for a civil society and demonstration of what to use uh, some people cuz it's 18 corpus difficult for me says they can't shares of you sofa . and this actually, if a single society activities, so in that sense, russia isn't hopeless, and i think it was just like and so the attempts were when minerals people were

ready for changes when gorbachev key, when government were much referred to, could the power ends as being a bunch of population is also ready for changes, but so, you know, in current circumstances, kind of a single though most came from most the very top. and the was out a change in the 1st person, i guess. so the serious changes in russia are impossible. veteran now extraordinary efforts and you've outlined some of them to, to clamp down on even the slightest infractions of this expanding penal code that the authors keep adding to. we hear of teachers in schools reporting our 1011 year old pupils to the security police books, a band people are arrested on the metro because they were reading something. but the fellow passengers didn't like every case pursued with the utmost vigor and brutality. and i suppose my question is, is the state really that in secure about its, hold on paul?

and it's people, you know, its smarter bell cell development of russian style. all sorts here is my would say this is not simply and assorted terrorism. is this more about a name? it's high, but it's a tell it to it is the same utilitarianism because the state is trying to infiltrate into all this for yourselves. a private life of people you to want it wants to control. for instance, theaters repair to ours. uh, uh, book markets, libraries, etc, etc. but nevertheless, this societies mother and license as a sort of a well educated society and people are trying to keep for the private space to see more and more or less normal situation. and it looks us to print it's some, some movies are pretty cool with appear in this such a strange hospitality around space. so yeah, is there a difference?

the threats like denunciations from your competitor else, but nevertheless, it is still, it is still civil society and i can repeat it as not so hopeless and get the chance survives the spirit. but the, the space of labor to you for free the, my scenario is this is through. but if you wants to do something, you can try. and some people are trying to, to write to articles to be vocal, to, to, to talk, at least to talk about that kind of situation. it's, it's not sales or it's not helped. is it by the fact that so many ordinary citizens appear willing to inform on each other on their colleagues and their families and friends? how destructive is that to the fabric of russian society destroys trust of the

yes, it's true, it's true. the trust is not so the strong side of the society is the trust of each other. but some people simply prefer enough to talk with unknown persons. they prefer to talk to canal, so they are trying not to be so vocal sitting in congress for instance, and to say, prefer not to discuss political issues. this is true, but you know, it's the same time uh, again who, who wants to resist can try to do it. for instance, if there is such a new magazine in which was initiated by the noble lord, it's a mr. moore auto for is a title going to be in a corporation with gorbachev foundation. and this is one of the attempts to, to, to, to, to create something to you,

even in the circumstances. there was some problems with this magazine, but it is still in the fields. so why not to transfer this whole thing? uh and this it's, it's a, it's contribute. so some things i hope for the future when we talk about hope, let's also talk about the war in ukraine, which has, of course, exacerbated the repression level good costs. leading russian sociologist says there's a high degree of support for the war highest among the educated and the educated in moscow does not surprise you. yes, uh, is there a lot of surprising stories, especially in the field of mess, psychology and miss. so silly. and uh, you know, this is all about people who are afraid of changing their life. they are trying to avoid problems with themselves. which means that as a full flip, say,

double thinking of a pretending the war doesn't exist. so they can to avoid the mentioning fee to thinking about the bolts they trained not to do it publicly made is the same people but who they want to continue as a career, as for instance, in the university. so something like that. but as a, a private spacing, their quizzes selected to us and sylvia time, so they can discuss freely the current situation with the core, with some assessments which are not public. let's see, this is more about privates assessments private life. so this is more about double thinking, you said recent pay that put in as make clear russia is fighting a permanent background war with the west. that argument gives has, is him, is rational. his way to maintain power. does put in one fact war and you'll view

oh yes, she wants me. she's a man in the shade or i'm sure is that, and is this personal, this decreasing, put in was the main source of, of this war. was this idea. ology, which justifies for the russian id, was a nation, atlanta in nationalistic and imperialistic ideas. the very archive that bills to the, to the, to tradition, send us spiritual values, etc, etc. and she must invent. so the goal for the society. so it's just not coping is more capitalism and they invented some traveling this per month for was the best, the best was also taking us, so we must defense our sales. and even though we're expansion expansions, this is kind of, it is, this is more about defense. and uh, the reason the reports reese, i'm sorry to interrupt you,

reset the intelligence reports in the west of suggested russia intends to double the number of its troops on the border with the baltic states and finland. and people have spoken. officials, government officials in several countries have spoken of the fact that that could possibly be attacked by russia on the nato countries over the next few years. how plausible do think that these things is produced, p r. o to be sold to, to, to, to, to look so mighty. so impress if uh, uh, and i guess he wants to create i am, she's a political philosophies. this is a part of russia for sure. and she wants to return and strengthen as he says. so this territories, she doesn't care about the baltic states freelance or, or pulled this as a loop service in my opinion. she will not have enough resources for one more flank,

one more front. uh, she simply wants to continue this permanent toward was the best as a goal for the society, but at the same time in the practical terms and apply it to her. and she doesn't want to, to take the, for instance, voltage stays because it will mean the real world was nathan, intuitively much more serious. so that's just sort of a tuition. what is your brain? does nato look weak to russia to put in a not so we could, but to what was this very majority of the society, which in looks like a strong man, chloe cruise equal to to tomato naturally smarter both human show for the main. and i mean, the night states of america native in europe is kind of such a line of uh, of nato in the ends. united states. you said last month that despite old,

a new career saved by rattling but we've heard from fulton, they don't want the afraid of nuclear war. what makes you so sure of that jose and also as you settled, they must understand that. so you're going to use those that technical no ukes could be suicidal for uh, for say, a regime for the country. uh they want to leave for they want to enjoy this life and because of that. so yes, so the, so nuclear black mailing fees square, it's impressive and quite effective as it is quite effective because it's present in fact, to prevent just the west from giving the sophisticated weapons to you, correct? yes. as a problem for actually. so that's a very conversations that talk about the nuclear work became such a lights. my talk, we can do it. why not? this is a main danger to proceed. so the domestic public so that it is possible. this is

a danger of furniture story and wrote recently that society is like russia, autocracies don't bend, but they can break. do you believe that after all russia has broken, the soviet union broke up. the button wall came down, communism was denounced as a failed experiment. under what circumstances do you think russia could conceivably come apart? now? you know, when we're talking about this, the future ends the behavior of our lights. they're behaving like that, according to the drover up in order to look after us as it is a slot. and in that sense, they hopelessly as they have enough resources to continue this work until the physical end of uh, putting them to his team. but the uh,

the resources could be depleted and the next generation though, for petitions they will have to take responsibility for the country for the european security and this as an interest of the west, coca cola and interest mutual interest of the russians at west said to have a new generation of people who can recreate discounts for you from 0. this one a full come because the resources, i'm not to the terminal. so the bills are full. russia, that's the alexa in a valley you talked about does exist somewhere down the line and you'll view it exists in the, in the soul, southern brain. so for pro democratic russians as they are here and those they will be ready for changes when the time will account. i'm very caustic of thank you very much for being on comforting, so. thank you. thank you for having me here. the,

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