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donald trump's, a long time advisor and the former white house official hope hicks as testified to new york courts in the form of precedence hush money trial fix told the jury about the full out in trump's interest who during the 2016 election campaign, a softer video was released showing him bragging about touching women inappropriately before president is on trial for concealing a payment, made to an adult full mattress during the campaign and actually to stop it from making their relationship public. he says the challenge is all politically motivated. place in canada to have arrested in charge 3 people in the matter of a prominent seek later last year, the shooting dead of how deep seeing the job damage tides. there's an india in canada. canadian department, as to adjusting treat, who had accused into a being behind the kidney wasn't jordan, has this update. mass government ambushed and killed hardships in
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nature outside the secret temple near vancouver where he worshiped in june 2023. 11 months later, canadian police announced a break and the case. i'm here today to announce that we are arrested and charged 3 individuals for 1st degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder in relation to hardy nature's homicide. need john, an indian born canadian citizen was a leader of a group demanding a separate seek homeland in northern india for that the government of prime minister, now rendering moody had designated new jar a tower wrist. but when canadian prime minister justin true to accused modi's government applauding, new jars, killing ties between the 2 countries, disintegrated diplomats were expelled from both countries and canada called off treat talks even. so the canadian said there was some cooperation with their indian counter parts during the investigation. i would be frank out,
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correct. got characterized that collaboration as rather challenging and difficult for the last several years. authority say more people could be arrested rosalyn, jordan l g 0 or you can find a lot more news features analysis and information on our website. just had to out, is there a dot com on the, on your device for the news continues here on notice here, often upfront to state the on counting the calls for testers in the us developers, universities divest them israel, how does schools make them money? washington wants russia to pay for rebuilding ukraine must go friends to retaliate . plus, what's the future for pick tone for the american market comes in with costs on al
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jazeera as the world march press freedom day. when we delving into 2 of the key stores affecting journalism today, later in the show will be speaking to a lawyer who has defended was the lowest edward snowden and thomas drake. when the impact that julian decides is extradition could have one press freedom worldwide. with 1st, the as a is the most dangerous place on the planet to be a journalist within $100.00 have been killed by israel since october 2nd. so how are those on the ground continuing their reporting and our journalists in the west to enough to shine on life on the pipe. the palestinian colleagues will ask one of alex's, it was all reporters. he's been on the ground since day one. this week's headliner from gaza. he who died the pain a go. daddy, thanks so much for joining us in upfront. as the world marks press freedom day of
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the war and guys it is in its 7th month more than 34000 palestinians have been killed. this unprecedented destruction and people are in dire need of food and water journalists like yourself as well. you're facing insurmountable odds on the ground doing this reporting during a time of war. uh now you're based in guys that and you've been reporting since the war began. what have you and your colleagues been facing on the ground is like everything you have been seeing on the news and everything we have been reporting is an attorney. what we have been going through and living. we lost very dear people. we lost or houses where they have been phones i've age really forces. we have been di dehydrated, we have been starving dislike of other people. it was hard for us to search for food report. upload the materials during telecommunication blackouts,
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and displaced of not having closed, not having your gear, not having your like your equipment, everything on all aspects of life. we have been struggling every single day. but the most important thing and why we are here is to report and to continue talking about palestine and public students. because we believe it's very important. especially the people in news agencies rely on us. so we have, we feel like we have a lot of weight on our children's and we have to do it, but it has been very high, but we are challenging our shows. we have been challenging all the circumstances that have been imposed on us and we continue to report over the course of the 6 or so months to what extent have things gotten worse. we see how bad is on the ground now, but how if things worston from october 7th until now every single day it escalates
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. and because it's becomes worries, living all of this every single day and not even having time to process your emotions process everything you're seeing was reporting. so like now we're talking about 7 months, 7 months, we don't, we do not see our comedy 7 months. we have been not eating proper for 7 months and we have been displaced. the situation itself on gaza is, is it is already collapse no health system. um, garbage is everywhere, sewage is everywhere like there's this constant fear everywhere about like like feeding in children feeding your shows. um, living live in like i really can put this into words, but every single day it's getting worse and every single day bear with missing a new type of tire and, and a new type of fear. and the fear of losing someone,
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you know, a fear of losing a colleague in fear of losing parts of your body like because for example, 2 weeks ago, one of our colleagues was targeted with, is there any shedding and his leg club and potatoes, and he has been calling to get evacuated to get his medical treatment and he can't, he's still there without any mother for treatment because we know that more than 50 percent of the hospitals in gauze are not facilitating anymore. so all of these circumstances are of these fears are chasing us energy in our daily life. and so i how does that, how does it affect you as a, how does that affect you as a journalist? i mean, you have the threat of these things happening and you have the reality that they already have happened to so many of your colleagues, friends, and family members, your stuff to do your job on the ground while it's happening as a native of the territory. well, how do you deal with it? do you know when you postpone your feelings and you postpone everything your your
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feeling and everything you're going straight? you know, i think i lost very dear people. i lost my uncle. i left my cousin, i lost my friends. i lost my house, i lost lots, but i'm postponing all of these feelings until this is done. because now i don't have time to process my motions. i don't have time to process anything. so i just work work quick break, so i get so tired and you're not using proper fluids. so you're always having your, your, your body is very weak. so use me it. so you don't think a lot about stuff, but all we thinking about is hope we can, we try to bring hope and there's a lot of resilience stories and lots of success stories tricky happening. and this is where i get my strength is it's affecting me. of course it is. i'm a human being, i have feelings, i have family, i have a lot, but i'm post going and everything. and i know i'm trying to taste,
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i'm 100 percent traumatized. i saw people with out there, but like i saw people chattered into pieces, i saw a lot of plugs i, i saw people searching for bodies of their loved ones and not finding them. i know people who did not find their loved ones or months. there has been a lottery going to, but i need to stay strong because times financing and buy people need me and i need to tell their stories and any treat port. so that's what makes me strong, to be honest, but according to the committee, to protect the journalist, the warrant guys, it has been the deadliest period for journalists since the organization began tracking data back in 1992. there are stories of media personnel being killed in the field while wearing best, and helmets and equipment is clearly marked with the word press across it. different what you've seen and what you've heard. do you feel that journalists are being deliberately targeted?
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of course, yes, and we have been constantly targeted and they know that we are, are targeted. they have very good ecology. they know who they're targeting. they know their, our faces. they have artificial intelligence. they know who they're targeting the hands of the do with targeted in a car, which just the garage was targeted on the gate of his house. a lot of our friends and colleagues had been targeting and do you know everyone things draining and this is a target like i, i maybe it's sad and funny to share this, but people right now are scared of june and they're scared to invite us to their home because they're scared that we would be a target. so like i remember going to my aunt's house on the 1st or 2nd month and she's like, and i think the, i'm sorry, don't come to my house because trying to list our target. they target to do it and, and do a head son that he was killed in
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a school. they know who these treatments are and like, especially working with as you read and being like, i'll just see it as crew has been continuous moving target. people are scared to me and i'm like, i'm not a target. i didn't do anything wrong. you can trust me. but at the same time, i feel for these people, they don't want to be killed because they hosted a journalist or they host to someone like me or any other gender. and so we do feel that people are, are, are acting and, and, and, and, and feel like normal people and cause a be, say, god bless you, they type it, they try get to it. and it seems like there might be a double standard, at least that's what many people are pointing to. uh, for example, if more than 100 journalist had been killed in say you frame in a period of just over 6 months with the global response and not have been different of course, where, where, where brown, we have black here,
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we're not white and we don't have yellow here, but unfortunately the target list in the cause chair has been the only source since the 1st and the 7th of october. everyone is relying on us because media is not entering. that's why i'm on the white white house in there with by then the last couple of days we were by cutting disconnected because you are talking about pressing for you to and you're talking about sorry, freedom of preston. you're talking about journalism and all of these ethics and professionalism, and you are not standing with your colleagues. think also like from where are the 8 p from where are the reuters from? where are all of these international news agencies getting their footage and for their frontiers and their images? they're getting it from us, from the journalist on the ground, from the cousins from the people who i've been starving and threatening their lives
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to show the world what strange currently happening happening. but during this involves, i have 0 protection, like literally 0. there's no protection for us every single day when we go out and report. we feel like that's our last day. nothing protects us. i get injured. there's no guarantee i've got medical treatment, there's no guarantee someone's gonna fluctuate. another piece of it is you or even being recognized as journalist. and there was a recent interview with cnn journalist and host christiane almond for. and she was talking about the war in gaza. and how it's an unprecedented situation. initially she said, quote, journalists are not on the ground in gaza that she later amended her words, acknowledging that there were guys in journalist, but no code independent of western reporters. but do you feel that title, city and journalists are being dismissed or ignored in the west? i heard the interview and then like,
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she was saying like there is no journalist on the ground. and i looked at my her and my colleagues like guys, what are you doing? are you not on the ground or be flying? like how let me know? and then like i really, i wish i could ask her like, how are you not on the ground? i really don't understand how would mentioning like something like this to palestinian journalist who has been living under this reporting this like living war and reporting on it. how would be this very hard and, and like, you should have like honor the mission of paint gum ation of did a lot. but instead you mention you, you, you say something like this. that was like something very funny to us like and heart hurt thing a truth. we've seen a surge of young palestinian journal is taking to social media to get the word out
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about what's going on in, in f, as in looking at this. does that make you hopeful for the future? a lot. i'm so proud of the social media creature. i'm proud of every journalist who has been using his social media. i'm proud of everyone because for the 1st time the world got everything i'm nervous about. what's happening cause of from policy and from us. so it has been very, very, very unassuming for us to do all of this work. and i have been getting like, for example, a lot of requests from different people in the us regarding the incompetence and the protests. they're like, and you have to speak about it because all of the students are listening to people from because so you have to listen to them. and,
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and unfortunately, it seems as if we have lost our connection to hand. these types of connection issues are very common in guys that especially during the war, but we think are for joining us on the front. we hope to talk to her again. so the, for 5 years, julie massage, the fame, publisher, and founder of wiki weeks, has been languishing and a high security prison in the u. k. as the british courts contest an effort by the us government to extradite him to american soil, describe the face of 17 espionage at charges and a conspiracy to commit computer intrusion for publishing some $400000.00 classified u. s. military documents relating to its involvement in wars in iraq and afghanistan, some of which exposed possible us war crimes. so what was the prosecution of julia massage mean for press freedom? joining us to help answer that question is just linda reddick. jocelyn is
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a national security and human rights lawyer known for her defense of prominent whistle blowers, including edward snowden and thomas drake. she now has the whistle blower and source protection program at expose facts. definitely, thanks so much for joining me on upfront. thank you so much for having me on this very important topic. absolutely. you know, supporters of drilling massage often state that his only crime was journalism that he dared to reveal alleged war crimes committed by the united states military. but what kind of precedent does this set for press freedom if he is extradited and ultimately prosecuted. i think it can have a very chilling effect because it really, in other countries enforce their own secrecy laws. the way the united states is trying to enforce it's secrecy law. it would be the end of investigative journalism, particularly in the national security context. so many other journalists have
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reported on the exact same information that assigns did, and he is being selectively prosecuted to make an example out. let me push back to that just for a moment because they're part of assigned. you're going to say, well, can you put people's lives at risk specifically, dissidents in afghanistan, discipline, span, iraq, published, honestly, directed classify. 1 documents, one of the lawyers for the u. s. government argued that asides went a quote, considerable way beyond a journalist gathering information and even the famed n s. a whistleblower. edward snowden noted that we can reach quote, hostility to even modest generation is a mistake. what do you make of that? as a counter claim? i think your ration is different than reduction. i do know that they did redact documents. the what you were quoting was the us government allocation that they've made, and a number of other espionage cases. the sources have revealed classified information
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and put lives at risk, and i can tell you in every single one of these cases, when it came time for the us to produce a damage, us assessment of all the people whose lives you put at risk. they were unable to do so so, so then if that is the case, what's at stake for press freedom? i want you to finish that thought a sure i think this criminalizes ordinary journalistic activity. if you read the in time and this would criminalize things like cultivating a source, providing an indemnity and publishing classified information which the washington post and the guardian and the new york times and every major newspaper around the world times on a routine basis. and that's why all the major media organizations in the united states have come out against this prosecution and saying what a deleterious effect it would have on journalism writ large. whether you are
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a journalist or not, is not the question, it would have that publishers, journalist, loggers, anyone, me, and you, anyone who has a document that the government teams secret could be prosecuted under this law. i mean it really, i always said that the war on whistle blowers was a backdoor war on journalist and other words when they started going after sources like thomas drake, chelsea manning, jeffrey sterling, daniel help reality winner, a number of people who i represented. i always said that eventually they were going to use that to go after journalists. and here we are. this is about possessing and publishing information that the government team secret that more often than not has proved to be only embarrassing g united states or even revealed its
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criminal activity such as torture. warrantless fire tapping under cover drone strikes that were later lied about. so again, this has been incredibly important shown listen that has one multiple awards for sonjee over a decade. and the amount of time that he has been in some form of confinement. in addition to the 5 years at the old merch exceeds all of the sentences served so far by other espionage app defendants. so let's, let's move to the actual extradition case. the u. k. has asked the us to provide them with certain assurance is if they were to extradite julian massage, including a guarantee that he will not face the death penalty and assurance that he will be entitled to use a 1st amendment protections in a u. s. trial. in mid april, the u. s embassy in london provided some of these assurances, but with some coffee at some note where the company that i might have. but can you
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explain what the assurances are and whether you believe they'll actually be upheld in the us court. and does julian size have an actual shot at a fair trial here in the united states? well, in terms of the assurances um, is attorneys and his wife, stella sands. and i, a number of people have said these are not worth the paper. they are written on, for example, among these assurances where that he would not face the death penalty. well, this is not a death eligible offense. so that's a very peculiar assurance. they also assured that he would get the same 1st amendment protections as us citizens. again, very strange because in all of these other espionage cases, the government has done motions to preclude the mention of the worst 1st
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amendment. and the way the law works because there is no public interest defense. if you haven't been able to say, i did this because the public had a right to know what the government was doing in secret, or i could publish this information because the government had lied about drunk strikes or had lied about wiretapping people domestically. so again, that, you know, the government has lied about these things in the past and problem is normally you would be able to put that into evidence during trial and you would be able to talk about that stuff during trial. but in an espionage case, you can not talk about your intent in reviewing information until the sentencing phase. in other words, after you've been found guilty, i'm say one more question around this death time or anything. it seems to me the death penalty isn't the only way that julian assizes life is
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under attack under a salt vulnerable. even one of the other concerns is, insurance is around the death company to be sure, but there was an explosive report that came out a few years ago. a yahoo news revealed that senior officials inside the central intelligence agency, the c i a, and the trumpet administration, allegedly discuss options on how to assassinate julian aside after he published documents related to c, i a hacking tools. so that's totally off the tables. one thing, but if you have high ranking officials talking, assassination, how much faith you have a he'll be say, right? not much at all. in fact that, that to lose that the c i a was entertaining designs to kidnap or assassinate him. that alone would ordinarily be evidence enough for that,
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for this case to be dropped. it's out rages and the fact that this case is still kicking around and that they're still with a straight face trying to pursue it. is a travesty of justice. and, and julian assigned has been punished enough. i mean, his health has been really, really fragile during not only his 5 years in the old marsh, but other, i mean, he's been in some form of detention or another for 10 years or longer. but yes, the designs to kill and assassinate a journalist. it is completely outrageous and i find it hypocritical right now that the us is condemning brochure for imprisoning girths, convention american journalist on the espionage of charges. yet we are the ones who are in prison, enjoy. and assigned on espionage act charges for committing journalism. a few weeks
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ago, president biden said he would consider a request from australia to drop the prosecution of julian, a size. does this signal potential shift in the case? and is there a chance that the charges could actually be dropped? there has been a number of exec groups the government could have taken, and i still think those ramps are available. i think the most positive reading of bite and statement is that it's signals or might be a just a matter solution and all of this. but then the negative reading is that the assurances were issued after he made that statement. so i'm not sure if he made that statement kind of loading a trial balloon. um or if he, his, he just kind of going back and forth on the case and maybe getting contradictory advice from different government agencies on which way the white house should
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message this. but really, this is not the case. i mean the dire, dire consequences on free speech 1st amendment, freedom of the press corps journalistic activity is going to be so imperiled by this and by the end could so easily for number different reasons. take the off ramp and i hope he does the right thing in doing so. i mean that he, he is campaigned on this idea of, of us being the beacon of democracy and the cornerstone of democracy is having a free and open democratic press adjustment reddick. thank you so much for joining me and upfront. thank you so much for having me. hopefully everyone that is our show upfront. we'll be back. next, the
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a unique perspective. why is it the doctors don't get to have a site and any of the medical workforce has been so and devalued by the british government for such a long time on hub voices. tick tock had been a place for organizing politically, for getting people to vote for getting people to protest, connect with our community and tap into conversations you weren't find elsewhere. why is our government taking us to work on the basis of live? we? the public has to get out there and do something about it. the stream on al jazeera, as being a journalist is a prisoner. i get to the heart of the story amplified the voices of those who have been drowned out by the noises of war is my driving force is what pushes me to take risks. we're just going to try to take up as a safety position. rigging,
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the trying to find the gritty, truly, it's a challenge and a huge responsibility. we keep one of the issues and decision makers in check. so the devastating you and so the reason is the soldiers base themselves in this house is because it's actually edges of the janine refugee cab. and from here, they have a tier view of working at the 0 enables me to make that positive voice as relevant to so that this mode that unites us, that divides us from counting the close protests in the us to bond universities. divest some israel. how does schools make them money? washington, once russia to pay for rebuilding, ukraine must go friends to retaliate. plus what's the future for picked on to the american market? consulate costs pulled out just a rough time. i like to mention ease the ice
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on our which is here the despite. so please correct that on student protests, demonstrations and support of palestine grow across the us and around the world, the commentary, johnson, this is out to say right with what costing life from that also coming the reference southern garza is very s strikes tail at least 91500000 space palestinians show thing in the city. the ground operation there would bring catastrophe on top of catastrophe. un officials, one against on these very ground the sofa on the rough, but inside that northern gauze, or is facing a full blown stomach plus.

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