the h experienced crews venue military leaders chose to increase cooperation with moscow instead of the west. now at least 9 people, including 7 children, have been killed. and the bombing at the displacement kept an eastern, come to another pass and was shot and killed by the army in the off them. off the camp in the eastern city of grandma is home to thousands of refugees who fled to the violence. lawanda backed in 23 revelry. it has been waging an offense of an eastern congo since 2021 on the campus. close to the front line. they're fighting between the m 23 and the companies on me. it's most immediately care who's responsible for this attack. august on has received the final $1000000000.00 of a $3000000000.00 in the flooding. the government says it will give, give the economy a much needed boost, but more money is still needed to keep the country afloat as part of your call. now reports it's not installed and it's not as bad. kareen con ernst is living,

selling water matters you rupees. he makes are worth increasing. the less inflation in pakistan is at around 20 percent day laborers and traders like kareen say they're struggling all the available. i'm 74 years old and at my age, people rest at home. but unfortunately, still i have to work to feed my kids and i have to pay the utility bills which are going up day by day. while the government isn't interested in our plate. pakistan has received the final $1000000000.00 of a $3000000000.00 loan from the international monetary fund. the money has helped the country avoid default bring inflation down and increase its foreign currency reserves. but many pakistani say they are not seeing the benefits of the model of the internet. we are worried about the sky. it all, could you get a station look at the prices of fruits and vegetables. we kind of hold this. on the other hand, the government has voting money from the i m s, but i haven't seen in my life, but it does help the poor people like us live and instead,

but in us of more texas. so that'd be gone to you've agreed. prime minister should battery has been clear that pakistan is economy can't survive without another long term biomass baylash, which he hopes to get in the next few months. to do that, the government has been pressing ahead with i am f demands, including tax hikes and an increase in domestic energy bills. the agency says reforms are essential for stabilizing pakistan's debt strapped economy. people at this market and it's not about and across pakistan. likely take on those costs for the a car, which is here to hold. that's it for me. in the stalls detailing on these noise finds more on our website, found a 0 dot com done go. it will be back with the news out for you here off the upfront and stay with the this is took, took is the 1st country in the world to develop

a comprehensive national, sustainable tourism program in partnership with the global sustainable tourism comes this country holding small beauties that just looks like beaches, historical and cultural bureau, velo reach, and michelin, green star, restaurants come and discover the natural, historical and cultural beauties as the world march press freedom day. when delving into 2 of the key stores affecting journalism today, later in the show will be speaking to a lawyer who has defended whistle blowers, edward snowden, and thomas drake. when he, in fact that julian assizes expedition could have won, press freedom worldwide with 1st the as it is the most dangerous place on the planet to be a journalist within 100 have been killed by israel since october 2nd. so how are those on the ground continuing their reporting and our journalists in the west doing enough to shine of life on the pipe, the palestinian colleagues will ask one of alex's,

it was only reporters has been on the ground since day one, just reads headliner from gaza, he who died the painful daddy, thanks so much for joining us in upfront. as the world marks press freedom day, the warrant guys is in its 7th month more than 34000 palestinians, have been killed. this unprecedented destruction and people are in dire need of food and water journalists like yourself as well. you're facing insurmountable odds on the ground doing this reporting during that time of war. now you're based in guys it and you've been reporting since the war began. what have you and your colleagues been facing on the ground is like everything you have been seeing on the news and everything we have been reporting is an attorney. what we have been going

through and living. we lost very dear people. we lost or houses where they have been phones i've age really forces. we have been diag dehydrated, we have been starving just like other people. it was hard for us to search for food report. upload the materials during telecommunication blackouts, and displaced of not having closed, not having your gear, not having your like your equipment, everything on all aspects of life. we have been struggling every single day. but the most important thing and why we are here is to report and to continue talking about palestine and public students. because we believe it's very important. especially the people in news agencies rely on us. so we have, we feel like we have a lot of weight on our childers and we have to do it, but it has been very high, but we are challenging our shows. we have been challenging all the

circumstances that have been imposed on us and we continue to report over the course of the 6 or so months to what extent have things gotten worse. we see how bad is on the ground now. but how if things worse than from october 7th, until now, every single day it escalates and because it's becomes worries, living all of this every single day and not even having time to process your emotions process everything you're seeing was reporting. so like now we're talking about 7 months, 7 months, we don't, we do not see our comedy 7 months. we have been not eating proper for 7 months and we have been displaced. the situation itself on gaza is, is, is already collapsed. know health system um, garbage is everywhere, sewage is everywhere like there's this constant fear everywhere about like

like feeding in children feeding your shows. this thing live in like i really can put this into words, but every single day it's getting worse and every single day where with missing a new type of tire and, and a new type of fear. and the fear of losing someone, you know, a fear of losing a colleague in fear of losing parts of your body. like because for example, 2 weeks ago, one of our colleagues was targeted with, is there any shedding and his like club and potatoes. and he has been calling to get evacuated to get his medical treatment. and he can't, he's still there without any mother for treatment because we know that more than 50 percent of the hospitals in gauze are not facilitating anymore. so all of these circumstances are of the spheres are chasing synergy, and how are they d like? and so i how does that?

how does that affect you as a how does that affect you as a journalist? i mean, you have the threat of these things happening and you have the reality that they already have happened to so many of your colleagues, friends, and family members, your stuff and do your job on the ground while it's happening as a native of the territory. well, how do you deal with it? how do you know when you postpone your feelings and you postpone everything your your feeling and everything you're going straight? you know, i think i lost very dear people. i lost my uncle. i left my cousin, i lost my friends, i lost my house. i lost lots, but i'm postponing all of these feeling until this is done. because now i don't have time to process my motions. i don't have time to process anything. so i just work work quick break, so i get so tired and you're not eating proper fluids. so you're always having your, your, your body is very weak. so use me it. so you don't think a lot about stuff,

but i'll be thinking about is hope we can, we try to bring hope and there's a lot of resistance stories and a lot of success stories tricky happening. and this is where i get my strength is it's affecting me. of course it is. i'm a human being, i have feelings, i have family, i have a lot, but i'm post going and everything. and i know i'm try my ties. i'm 100 percent traumatized. i saw people with out there, but like i saw people chattered into pieces, i saw a lot of clubs i i, i saw people searching for bodies of their loved ones and not finding them. i know people who did not find their loved ones or months. there has been a lottery going to, but i need to stay strong because touched on getting and by people need me and i need to tell their stories and any treat port. so that's what makes me strong, to be honest, according to the committee, to protect the journalist, the warrant, guys, that has been the deadliest period for journalist since the organization began tracking

data back in 1992. there are stories of media personnel being killed in the field while wearing best, and helmets and equipment is clearly marked with the word press across it. different what you've seen and what you've heard. do you feel that journalists are being deliberately targeted? of course, yes, and we have been constantly targeted and they know that we are, are targeted. they have very good ecology. they know who they're targeting. they know their, our faces. they have artificial intelligence. they know who they're targeting. the hands of the do was targeted in a car which just the garage was targeted on the gate of his house. a lot of our friends and colleagues had been targeting and do you know everyone think draining and this is a target like i, i maybe it's sad and funny to share this, but people right now are scared of tremendous. they're scared to invite us to their

home because they're scared that we would be a target. so like i remember going to my aunt's house on the 1st or 2nd margaret, she's like, and i think the, i'm sorry, don't come to my house because training this to a target the target to do it. and in the do a head son that he was killed in a school, they know who these treatments are. and like, especially working with as you read and being right, i'll just need a screw has been continuous, may being target. people are scared to me and i'm like, i'm not trying to get, i didn't do anything wrong. you can trust me. but at the same time, i feel for these people, they don't want to be killed because they hosted a journalist or they host to someone like me or any other gender. and so we do feel that people are, are, are acting and, and, and, and, and feel like normal people in cause and they say, god bless you, they type it, they try to get to it. and it seems like there might be a double standard,

at least that's what many people are pointing to. uh, for example, if more than 100 journalist had been killed in say, ukraine in a period of just over 6 months, with the global response and not have been different of the upgrades where, where were brown and we have black hair, we're, we're not white. and we don't have a little here, but unfortunately, the target list in because australia has been the only source since the 1st and doesn't 7th of october. everyone is relying on us because media is not entering. that's why i'm on the white white house in there with by then the last couple of days we were by cutting disconnected because you are talking about pressing feed. um and you're talking about a sorry freedom of preston. you're talking about journalism and all of these ethics and professionalism, and you are not standing with your colleagues in glosser,

like from where are the 8 p from where are the reuters from? where are all of these international news agencies getting their footage and for their frontiers and their images? they're getting it from us, from the journals on the ground, from the cousins from the people who i've been starving and threatening their lives to show the world what strange currently happening happening. but during this involves, i had 0 protection like literally 0. there's no protection for us every single day when we go out and report. we feel like that's our last day. nothing protects us. i get injured. there's no guarantee i've got medical treatment, there's no guarantee someone's gonna fluctuate. another piece of it is you or even being recognized as journalist. and there was a recent interview with cnn journalist and host christiane almond for. and she was talking about the war in gaza. and how it's an unprecedented situation. initially

she said, quote, journalists are not on the ground in gaza that she later amended her words, acknowledging that there were guys in journalist, but no code independent of western reporters. but they have feel that title, city, and journalists are being dismissed or ignored. in the west. i heard the interview and then like, she was saying like there is no journalist on the ground. and i looked at her and my colleagues like guys, what are you doing? are you not all the gown or be flying like how i'm not on but like i really, i wish i could ask her like how are you not on the ground? i really don't understand how would mentioning like something like this to palestinian journalist who has been living under this reporting this like living or, and reporting on it. how would be this very hard and, and like,

you should have like on the mission of paint issue of did a lot. but for instance, you mentioned you, you, you say something like this. that was like something very funny to us like and type 1st thing. it's 1st we seen a surge of young palestinian journal is taking to social media to get the word out about what's going on in and of as a looking at this. does that make you hopeful for the future? a lot. i'm so proud of every social media creature. i'm proud of every journalist who has been using his social media. i'm proud of everyone because for the 1st time the world got everything i'm nervous about. what's happening cause of from policy and from us. so it has been very, very, very uninviting for us to do all of this work. and i have been getting like,

for example, a lot of requests from different people in the us regarding the incompetence and the protests. they're like, and you have to speak about this because all of the students are listening to people from because so you have to listen to them. and, and unfortunately, it seems as if we have lost our connection to hand. these types of connection issues are very common in gaza, especially during the war, but we think of for joining us on the front, we hope to talk to her again. so the for 5 years, julia massage, the fame, publisher, and founder of wiki weeks has been languishing and a high security prison in the u. k. as the british courts contest an effort by the us government to extradite him to american soil, describe the face of 17 espionage at charges and a conspiracy to commit computer intrusion for publishing some $400000.00 classified

u. s. military documents relating to its involvement in wars in iraq and afghanistan, some of which exposed possible us war crimes. so what was the prosecution of julia massage mean for press freedom? joining us to help answer that question is jeslane rabbit. jocelyn is a national security and human rights lawyer known for her defense of prominent whistleblowers, including edward snowden and thomas drake. she now has the whistle blower and source protection program at expose facts. definitely, thanks so much for joining me on upfront. thank you so much for having me on this very important topic. absolutely. you know, supporters of julia massage often state that his only crime was journalism. 1 that he dared to reveal alleged war crimes committed by the united states military. but what kind of precedent does this set for press freedom if he is extradited and ultimately prosecuted. i think it can have a very chilling effect because it really in other

countries enforce their own secrecy laws. the way the united states is trying to enforce it's secrecy law. it would be the end of investigative journalism, particularly in the national security context. so many other journalists have reported on the exact same information that a sanchez did, and he is being selectively prosecuted to make an example out. let me push back to that just for a moment because their critics of assigns are going to say, well, they put people's lives at risk, specifically dissidents in afghanistan, descendants in iraq, published under the adapted classified documents. one of the lawyers for the u. s. government argued that asides went a quote, considerable way beyond a journalist, gathering information and even the famed n s. a whistleblower. edward snowden noted that we can reach quote, possibility to even modest generation is a mistake. what do you make of that?

as a counter claim? i think your ration is different than reduction. i do know that they did redact documents that what you were quoting was the us government allocation that they've made in a number of other espionage cases. the sources have revealed classified information and put lives at risk. and i can tell you in every single one of these cases, when it came time for the us to produce damages assessment of all the people whose lives you put at risk, they were unable to do so. so. so then if that is the case, what's at stake for press freedom? i want you to finish that thought. a sure i think this criminalizes ordinary journalistic activity. if you read the in time and this would criminalize things like cultivating a source, providing in an empty and publishing classified information,

which the washington post and the guardian and the new york times and every major newspaper around the world times on a routine basis. and that's why all the major media organizations in the united states have come out against this prosecution and saying what a deleterious effect it would have on journalism writ large. whether you are a journalist or not, is not the question, it would affect publishers. journalist bloggers, anyone, me and you, anyone who has a document that the government teams secret could be prosecuted under this law. i mean it really, i always said that the war on whistle blowers was a backdoor war on journalist and other words when they started going after sources like thomas drake, chelsea, manning, jeffrey sterling, daniel hill, reality winner, a number of people who i have represented. i always said that eventually they were

going to use that to go after journalist and here we are. this is about possessing publishing information that the government team secret. but more often than not has proved to be only embarrassing g united states or even revealed its criminal activity such as torture. warrantless fire tapping under cover drone strikes that were later lied about. so again, this has been incredibly important shown lives and that has one multiple awards, 1st launched over a decade and the amount of time that he has been in some form of confinement. in addition to the 5 years at the old merch exceeds all of the sentences served so far by other espionage app defendants. so let's, let's move to the actual extradition case. the u. k. has asked the us to provide

them with certain assurance is if they were to extradite julian massage, including a guarantee that he will not face the death penalty and assurance that he will be entitled to use a 1st amendment protections in a u. s. trial. in mid april, the u. s embassy in london provided some of these assurances, but with some coffee at some note where the company at that i might it. but can you explain what the assurances are and whether you believe they'll actually be upheld in the us court? and does julian size have an actual shot at a fair trial here in the united states? well in terms of the assurance is, um is attorneys and his wife still assigns and i a number people have said these are not worth the paper. they are written on, for example, among these assurances where that he would not face the death penalty. well, this is not a death eligible offense, so that's a very peculiar assurance. they also assured that he would get the same 1st

amendment protections as us citizens. again, very strange because in all of these other espionage cases, the government has done motions to preclude the mention of the worst 1st amendment. and the way the law works because there is no public interest defense. if you haven't been able to say, i did this because the public had a right to know what the government was doing in secret, or i could publish this information because the government had lied about drunk strikes or had lied about wiretapping people domestically. so again that you have, the government has lied about these things in the past. and problem is normally you would be able to put that into evidence during trial and you would be able to talk about that stuff during trial. but in an espionage case,

you can not talk about your intent and reviewing information until the sentencing phase. in other words, after you've been found guilty to say one more question around this death time or anything, it seems to me the death penalty isn't the only way that julian assigns his life is under attack under a salt vulnerable. even one of the other concerns is insurance is around the death penalty to be sure, but there was an explosive report that came out a few years ago. a yahoo news revealed that senior officials inside the central intelligence agency, the c i a, and the trumpet administration, allegedly discuss options on how to assassinate julian aside after he published documents related to c, i a hacking tools. so that's totally off the tables. one thing, but if you have high ranking official talking, assassination,

how much faith you have a he'll be say, right? not much at all. in fact that, that to lose that the c i a was entered tanning designs to kidnap or assassinate him. that alone would ordinarily be evidence enough for that, for this case to be dropped. it's out rages and the fact that this case is still kicking around and that they're stored with a straight face trying to pursue it. is a travesty of justice and and truly massage has been punished enough. i mean, his health has been really, really fragile during not only his 5 years in the old marsh, but other it's, i mean, he's been in some form of detention or another for 10 years or longer. but yes, the designs to kill and assassinate a journalist. it is completely outrageous and i find that

hypocritical right now that the us is condemning russia for imprisoning gross convention or american journalist on the espionage of charges. yet we are the ones who are in prison, enjoy and assigned on espionage act charges for committing journalism. a few weeks ago, president biden said he would consider a request from australia to drop the prosecution of julian, a size does a single potential shift in the case, and is there a chance that the charges could actually be dropped? there have been a number of exit ramps the government could have taken, and i still think those ramps are available. i think the most positive reading of, by the end statement is that it's signals or might be a just a matter solution and all of this. but then the negative reading is that the insurances were issued after he made that statement. so i'm not sure if he made

that statement kind of looting a trial balloon. um or if he his, he just kind of going back and forth on the case and maybe get in contradictory advice from different government agencies on which way the white house should message this. but really, this is not the case. i mean the dire, dire consequences on free speech 1st amendment, freedom of the press corps journalistic activity is going to be so imperiled by this and by the end could so easily for number different reasons. take the off ramp and i hope he does the right thing in doing so. i mean that he is campaigned on this idea of, of us being the beacon of democracy and the cornerstone of democracy is having a free and open democratic press adjustment radek. thank you so much for joining me

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