as, as, or as 10 you see negotiations being even have this is the most important one. so if you're going to bushy poles, unapologetic, i'm just upfront on out of there and enjoy your free speech. the us how speak of faces anti war protesters at columbia university poll suggests an increasing number of young americans, assigning with palestinians. so what's behind list? generational gas for the us response to the war on garza, this is inside story. the a very welcome to the program i'm to clog. for decades, united states has been israel's biggest ally, imagery, pond of successive us,

administration's right across the political divide back to it since it was created in 1948 business is academia, the public upholstered lodge, the support of israel, the polls suggest that unequivocal backing. now appears to be waning, especially among the young people research study 2 years ago indicated only 41 percent in the age group of 18 to 29 year old had a favorable view of israel and many from this generation now protesting in university campuses against the war on gaza, which is killed nearly 35000 palestinians. so is he anger among young americans highlighting a generational divide in washington's policy towards israel. almost all the reasons re shaping public opinion with explosives and other questions with all guests and just the government. but 1st, this report from katia lopez or the there's been a generational divide in america's response to the war on cause of the

from college campuses to politicians in washington. differences are emerging and wide and they know political risk amongst voters. so in essence, i think that might and administration might just be putting their hands up and saying we are going to have to write off these motors by care deeply about this issue because there's no way that we can a piece them. we will continue to have israel's back, president biden, to say some criticism for his handling of israel's war on calls from both the left and the right. and that could check the strong support israel has enjoyed in washington for decades. analysts say it's not just about generational differences, but also about changing world views on foreign policy and israel even before a 2022 pew surveys to address the bill. 70 percent of americans. 65 and older head of favorable view of israel,

but support dropped nearly 30 percentage points with the younger americans age 18 to 29. when i was growing up, the democratic party was the party that supported israel, 7675 percent of the american jews go to the democratic party. that is still the case, although i suspect it may not be in november of this year. my message to the students inside the encampment, go back to class and stop the nonsense. republicans are denouncing the protesters and biden's policies. but the president is also getting pushed back from his own democratic party with 57 members of congress recently asking him to withhold aid to israel. it is a sign that the by has been his patient is run by a man was 81 years old. because she is of the old school of the democratic party. almost nobody who works for him is despite criticism from both parties and young voters biden remains to find

no is for years, it's been the economy, not foreign policy this way more heavily with american voters. now some analysts say the war and guns of may not play a defining role in november's presidential election, but it will likely have an impact. let's see a little, this is a, you know, to 0 for inside store. all right, let's spring. and i guess now in new york we have cleared devon, pulled a student at columbia. john was in school in london, julie norman, his deputy director at new cl center on us politics and also and u. k. and lead says kit milva and who's also have generation left, which is a book which examines generational differences at good to have you with this or will welcome to all of you. i'd like to start with you in new york. if i may want, in your view, do you think is happening here while the generations adults. ready of israel,

do you think i, i mean, i think this is something both new and old. you know, i mean there was no the protest dot columbia in the sixty's against the, were in the, in the eighty's against apartheid in south africa. so in some ways, i think it's not a surprise. you know, that the word, this generation is something that university students, when i can test on the one and fight back against the at the same time, i think younger people are more looped. and then after before, because of social media, i think there's also more of a growing awareness, you know, of our global world. and the problem is within it and drawing lines between different issues. i know even in my own life, my younger companies, you know, will bring up issues like gentrification and colonization things. i certainly was not aware of when i was, you know, in middle school in the early high school. um,

so i do think social media has played a role in that and started greater awareness of different struggles, different history is around the world. but after the same time, i do also think, you know, the urge to push back against the floor and america goes, um, you know, americans ties to or i think or something we see time and time again play out on college campuses so. so i think it's both um, you know, a new divide and an old divide. right. and i guess as israel's actions and goals have come super charge of differences and, and the us is perceived role in that assault on goals that class. yeah, i think there's much greater awareness, you know, of the economics of all the best. um, i think thinking about our tax dollars, you know, going to find is really going to find the square. and then thinking about colombia, you know, that how the universities environment isn't invested in, um, different defense defense companies like lockheed martin or companies like air

b and b that operate within the occupied settlements in the west spot. that's governments to me. i occupied westbank. i think there's just a greater awareness of some money at play here. and i think capitalism and pushing back against capitalism is something younger generations um, you know, have been and have been feeling and, and talking about and saying more. and so i think this fits very much within that we're all the pushing back against trust and you've got the university, you know, who have ties to these companies. and this based on a black rock list of investment in stock. okay. we don't have that much of an eye into it. julie if we heard from katya, is report just now and it's outlined in just how old the president is, the us president isn't. and it's not that the, the perception, the general perception of israel's position is changed in spite and, and his cohort grew out. things do look very differently to someone fullness century day. absolutely. you know, i think everything that clara said is,

is very right. and i think you add to that an issue like israel palestine where the conflict and the issue simply has changed over the decades. and as we heard in the report that started the show many from fighting generation, the so called boomer as grew up seeing israel as the underdog of the country that emerged after the holocaust, the, the country that was needing to defend itself against aggression. i don't think you'd be going too far to say was almost the beginning. the way if you many people see you crane today is how many and by ins, generation saw israel. that's obviously changed. you know, why students in university here in london? obviously students in the us have grown up with an israel that's very different that has a very different political. i'm seeing that it has a very different position in the region. and they've seen this concert play out with the 2nd intifada. i'm with the wars on guys are proceeding this one and then of course the current conflicts. so it's a very different image,

i think than say biting his generation grew up with, with, with having of his room. right. things have moved on a kit you right. how age increasingly appears to be that one of the key dividing lines in contemporary politics. but really, the only thing that's always being the case, especially with the student activism is always being there as close as outlined. that has always been student activism. i think this way but, and comments. it is something we haven't seen on this off scale for quite a long time, probably going back to the 1980s. i mean 5 to i'd make an odd when say with them about that. but, but the generational political differences a significant generational political differences are not always that you know, they, they come and merge and become significant and only only periodically, i think $25.00 you can really, you can tie what's going on at the moment in this generational division on how to choose around, perhaps israel towels as well. palace stats, you can talk about to

a wide to a division in it jet along the lines of age or generation in terms of politics. i'm not, and there is very particular point in history images in a really significant way, really grows massively across several countries. actually at the same time in the early to mid to thousands and time. i mean it's something that happens on an international scale very suddenly. you would want to look as sudden international calls for about that. i would argue that the, the, the financial crisis of 2008 is that the roots are based on a be submitted. sions. and because i think that the, the financial crisis of 2008, it's actually very differently if you're old, how assets such as a home or if your younger and you rely on income from work or perhaps from, from, from, from, from a state, welfare, etc. because what happens after 2008 huge amount of financial support goes from the states to the financial sector by proxy. if you're an asset, all that you do well,

a fast, the same time, wages of being catastrophic, the performing since about pointing to u. k. 18 years of no wage growth, that's actually the portfolio. you haven't seen anything alive about since no, probably on it was as are the prospects of young people. so a couple of cub diminished and maintained that the a maintain to a very low level since that time the prospect for young people also costs complicated by climate change, which is going to make, make that lives poor. there's no doubt about, but i think that they're coming to a less settled state in the world of the exist, opens you up actually to be more critical to optimal critical views up out of the existing structures of the world. i think that's part of what pushed younger generation to the left, to open them up to the, to the, to the left, the tools, both structural critiques. and i think that's a 1st thing for a phone. something like sort of jump. uh, do you think this is, this is like a, a tipping point then we're beginning to are on the verge of injury and you error. i

mean, it is not just like that at the significance of student protests, of the pulse, but something different. that's gonna give them it, which is because i think the se, in the financial crisis and everything that to means that the future is, are a little more bleak at the same day. so what does it mean for the future? i mean, lots of business as usual ladies to something very unpleasant for young people. i think it's important about that way and that's what are significant changes and so on. whether these and come as this wave of protests, a, you know what, but this production would be what we might call a generational forming event. but what we're, what a disgruntled generation actually form of the heat room politics is too heavy to tell. but i think that's what happened in the, the wave of protests about revolutions in 2011. you remember the occupied move but not the day, but we have inputs this caused by without this of wave of lecturing. electro projects. jeremy colbin in the u. k. bernie sanders in the us,

they were both defeated in 2020 and since then that's been a little disarray. i think a but, but you know, it could well be the best salt of it, but could be the sped to add to the next way. you know that this could be the generational foaming event of generations. that if, if, if you like, i mean, all right, significant, it's around foreign policy. i think on, on that the role that the us plays in, in international structures. claire, would you like to come back on that? so there's a growing sense of despair among the the young of today is driving this that i mean, i certainly agree about it plays a role. i think, you know, we're talking about climate change talking about economic issues. mental health issues are also very much on the rise. and, you know, we're still unsure the role social media is playing and not, but i do sense of growing nihilism. you know, among young people, especially the millennial generation and the order, jonesy,

i think some of the younger people younger, the not still come with a bit of hope come with a bit of energy. but i do think that there is the starting streak of despair that is viewing hello is this um, after the same time the, i wonder, you know, if that is limited to the younger generation. i something i've been thinking a lot about is power more generally across age differences. we're moving to the left into the right. you know, as a society were growing more polarized and i think, you know, maybe one of the key differences is go language and some of the strategies of protests that are used by talking about israel, for instance. i think to julia's point, you know, i think we're looking at a very different israel um, today than we were, you know, 203040 years ago. and i think i see across generations growing frustration with israel and what they're doing right now in gaza. i think they are very different expressions around that, you know, i think older generations, for instance,

are we less likely to embrace, protest, chance like from the river to the sea. but at the same time, i think, i see, you know, within my own life and family, even different perspectives on israel than people used to have. and i think the protest as well, you know, there's been across the country is huge support from professors and faculty for the students, you know, coming out and forming barriers against the police. so i do think these things extend beyond just to younger people and i think all of these same issues, you know, climate change, economic issues, older generations to them as well. and i think are worried for younger people. and i do think that factors and julie, would you like to come back on that and also take it on politically what this means? a j bite and then upcoming elections? sure, yes, again, i just agree with what we are said. you know, here in the u. k, there is some campus activism, of course, but there has been essentially weekly, large demonstrations and protests and in london really since, since october 7th and,

and it's clear and booted to those are quite intergenerational. so it's an important, obviously to, to see what's happening on the campuses and to look at that, that student movement, but also to see that this is a broader and bigger than not with this issue in conflict and getting back to the us. absolutely. i mean by that and i think is really struggling with how to navigate this and that has been really from day one, you know, from october with i knowing i think that she would not be able to freeze all voters with whatever stance she took. i think she knows now that she will probably lose some voters especially, you know, the more a young progressive voters on this issue. so, but at the same time, i think there was a sense that uh, you know, going too far the other way. but also, you know, potentially was voters who were more sympathetic to israel. i also would just underscore, i think the policy is a bite and has been trying to pursue in the middle east. are more focused on what's

happening there than on the political landscape back home that is having an effect . and i read this point, i would see that again, the campus, the campus, the politics is, is even some, somehow a bit different than that where we're seeing priorities among the wider population . your polls have shown that either among, even among the dues demographic, israel, palestine is so i think 15 out of 16 issues are in terms of ranking. so i do think it's important as, as clear and care of and we would into other issues are at play here also, you know, the economy, domestic issues and all of these are in the mix right now with vitamin has to consider for this auctioneer. right? in care and another issue that is at stake here, the democratic, the demographic changes are having an effect, thought they have playing a role in shaping public opinion with younger generations past being made up of larger percentages of racial minorities who are perhaps more historically sympathetic to towards publishing its, i mean, not certainly triggering to us nice, easy playing a significant role in the, in the, in the make up all of the,

of the incumbents that the, the campuses. and of course, you know, the different demographic thing is that spam and that, that, that what we're saying is that the playing out of the baby boom generation that the baby boom is a call that because there's a lot of them. there was a booming, bad stuff to the 2nd level which ran up to around might 1965 with with the roll out of the contraceptive bill with the phrase volt volt fell off a bit. that's what we'd be copying, stuck in. it's almost like a geron jared's across itself and society, which is be very happy and get people to a set themselves. and then i said that i said the interest, i think we'd, we'd put it, put it that way. and of course, that is likely to change, i think, i mean, you know, and it's like the change over time. there's a really significant problems here. one, the emergency that horrific emergency. so the status of something such as cause for instance, but also the, the, you know, the pressing time scale of climate change means that way we might be in a re,

factually to vote for younger people to say their interests. i'm fine. political means to do that. and so the incumbents, which only include us very small part of the population of young people across the us, that can be solved like the trigger shrieking moments if you like, better ones, you can forward your way. unfortunately, politics which then disseminate some amongst, amongst a white population. but if you have an old but of course your material interest to play a role and whether you ever subject to those ideas on north, i think doesn't mean young people aren't going on. the protest in london, i've been on them then and they, they certainly, uh, it's just, you know, we, we need to take these thoughts of demographic and let's go farther than to account when we're trying to work out what's going on. right. clap, well then can bridge, these divides then is as we get into an area where millennials are taking on leadership positions, i guess will be a kind of bridge between the boom generation and then the generations to, you know, it's a good question. i mean, i always think, you know, engaged in,

i think one of the drawbacks of social media and how interconnected we are on line is, i think there's, especially for schools that have been growing installation, you know, but interpersonal interactions. i think you can even see this and, you know, israel itself is there of house trying to read research. you know, that in the past um is really from talk to names used to distinguish other and more, you know, and now there's way less actual face to face the interaction and you're seeing people much more just as a figure on line. um, so i think, you know, building a sense of a cluster humanity in that way and seeing each other and showing up for each other . i think that's, that can certainly play a role in some healing. i also think, you know, i mean to the point fairly are about, i think there's been, you know, the political establishment at this moment is really almost kind of closing. it's i, as to how the public feels right now about the associates. and i think, you know, perhaps biden's own feelings, but is there a plan to this? but i think your knowledge and you know that things have changed and sentiment has

changed and we might very well be out this turning point. and i think similar, you know, talk to the black labs, not or protest. there was a real response from the political establishment to a certain extent. and at least an attempt whether or not it was successful to understand some of these issues and to grapple with some of them. and you're not really seeing that in the same way with this issue. still so many people on both sides of the our storm seems to port a ministry on strong same support in the us, the port of israel and are really just not going to question that. um, so i think that you know, that this is really important for paul cheese to engage with where people are now, which is in a different place to julie, you know, i spoke to a university professor yesterday. you said that when he was teaching in the states for about 10 years, maybe a decade or so ago that the students wouldn't know of dead to raise the voice of game design isn't in such a way in such a prolific way. what's changed on that front? do you think?

yeah, so i would say, you know, a number of things have changed as we've talked about in just the, the course of the conflict i think has shifted and we see and much more. um, we see a lot more images of these really actions and gods in particular that has been, i would say splitting over the last 10 years. and obviously in the aftermath of the october 7th, a talk to it, we've seen a very different kind of war. but that has changed over time. i think as clear mentioned, are students access to the images of those wars. and even the, the reality on the ground in between the wars is just much more visible here. my students are following the word daily on, on check talk, they're seeing live streamed images from, you know, from the, from every day people. and so i think that has changed. and i think just the climate again, on the campus itself has changed. there has been a lot more, i think, solidarity movements awareness to different different issues and movements around

the world and uh, and students are taking those to her. and i think trying to uh, trying to, to have a place in that. and let's, i'm maybe a little bit different than it was 10 years ago that i would say again, you know, there was, there's always been, there was movement. so i remember 10 years ago is more like occupied was kind of the big movement. so it, i think just this focus has shifted because of just the international residents of what's happening right now. and judy just quickly, just 30 seconds or so. would you say it's true to say that the difference is that we're saying a married by divergence between older and younger, jewish americans? oh, i think to some degree i wouldn't want to to, to say a quite that, that hard stroke i think, but on. but there's certainly been been a divergence in that regard. and yes, i would just underscore, the protests now are quite diverse in their makeup, and those who are, are counter protesting and, and are upset with their protests are also quite diverse and their make up. this is something you've related to perhaps we can explore

a little bit more. do you think these, these moments of protest can mock a transition in collective social thinking just to take us towards a different view points when these new generations take the home? i mean, yeah, i think they always, i don't know, everyone does know every instance of the social practice does that. but the only thing that does, that is the sorts of protests, if you, i mean that that can be the spot that's and that, but that, that's a and that leads the way in which people then that then follow. i think you'd probably something like that. so i think it really started off that sound at the moment. you know, you know, the end of time is coming up. we don't know what's gonna happen with those. we don't know what's going to happen with the israel is more on causes. so, you know, we, it's, it's too heavy to tell of costs but, and about that. but the, the general outlook for young people, but for all of us. but you know, the cost for getting people in particular, you know, it is a crisis reading future that way it looks like that's the moment and you k food

prices are rising because of the incredible ratings as drives the climate change have the material effects that's going to make as poor as making this product today . you know, at the same time, you know, people who study contentious politics. they say contentious politics, social movements, they explode when the, the, the official political system is closed off to you about seems to be protecting me for, for all perhaps it, are you the young cohort, but let more left. we can probably younger cohort of the phone doesn't call them, but defeated. the political system seems to be closed off in the u. k. the political parties move much closer together. that doesn't seem to be much of a choice. and if you call to express your opinions on your interest through the political system, you tend to do it outside the political system in these big explosions, social movements. club tenants, if you would, within universities like where you are at columbia at just how potent arise it is, and how much debate there is about this particular issue as well. it's funny,

you know, because you see the media reports and it's being painted in the frame for, i'd say, and i really would say if it's not within the budget on campus, i think there's pretty well there. there's been just quite widespread support. i think for the protest either you know, from people who believe in freedom of speech or people who believe in what they're actually pushing for, you know, there certainly are some students and faculty, i think some for a very outspoken who are a fan of the protests and i think the can do is point, you know, these are very diverse to groups of people, but i think that it's been painted, you know, and that's very divided way. and i think there is a lot more of solid arity on campus around, you know, the rates of these protesters to express themselves and a lot of solidarity and support with their messages. we saw, you know, just hundreds of people come out the other day and support when the shipment was, when, when the ministration told the intent that they had to leave and a lot of faculty support as well. and i would also like to make the point kind of going off what julie was saying, i think, you know, it's being painted as this issue of interest and that has on and so many of the

protesters are young, jewish people themselves. and so i think that framing just totally takes out some of the nuance of the situation and how young jewish people themselves understand their role in these protest movements. so i think it's very important to me, you know, 15 of the students who are arrested the other day. um, probably not the recent round of arrest, but the 1st round of arrest for jewish students. and we don't have those numbers yet for the current round for us, but i just think that that's been a bit over eastern some of the media framing. and i think it's important to kind of understand there is a lot of community follow. they're already on campus around, you know, the rates and the students to have a voice and to have a say. and i think that there's a lot of political life on this. and that's perhaps by, you know, it's being printed painted in this more porous fashion. but that really hasn't been in the mood, you know, on columbia day today. a very interesting discussion, everybody uh much more to be said, but we've run out of time. we're afraid we'll be watching very closely here and i'll just or a direction this will take,

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